the friendship he screw up with Nahiri and the punishment he suffered from her revenge. i like Nahiri more than Sorin, because she makes more sence and actually do something (where we can discuss if its good or bad)
@@easyyo6784 Honestly that's his greatest failure. When Nahiri brought Emrekul to Innistrad he realized how much he fucked up. He did try to fix the problem with another mistake but that's another story for another day.
It would be great if you'd do a followup in this format but for "Karn is a Failure" - because Karn has a LONG history of trying to fix things and just failing absolutely miserably. The difference though is that he _does_ care and tries his best, which might just make it a lot more sad.
@@BBBshow Jeska isn't, she became the strongest character ever in existence and then patched up the Multiverse, then dipped out before she could ever fail again.
Sorin has some of the better characterization out of major planeswalkers, IMHO. Other planeswalkers will be presented as relatable but start acting like mythical figures the moment the plot requires it - Sorin presents himself as a mythical figure, but deep down is Just Some Dude (TM). I honestly find him more relatable, precisely because the writers don't try to make him relatable.
Sorin Markov and Gideon Jurra are some of the most relatable as the worst and best of humanity just going by biography and canon. Also I look forward to Nicol Bolas
Sad that he one of the biggest victims of MTG's bad writting, worst yet because his most recent appearances exemplify how much MTG's recent sets storytelling have devolved. or maybe Midnight Hunt and Crimnson Vow(together with Double Feature) just suck.
@@Machiroable the story and lore for those two sets we're not that good, although I don't think it's been too great since round about gatecrash and theros
Listen, I get what you mean, I really do. But after actually watching this video, I personally find it REALLY hard to root or relate to Sorin after all the massive Ls. Like, I hate myself too, but not to the degree that I would look at this guy and say "ye, he's just like me for real". Practice some self love... (this was partially a joke)
Pretty sure Emrakul's "plan" is to simply be what she is: the third Eldrazi. After the plane's surface has been swept away (Ulamog) and reworked (Kozilek), Emrakul's role is to advance new life on the plane that's had its Aether recycled to the Blind Eternities.
@@silvermyr Technically not canon yet but it makes a lot of sense as the Eldrazi each have their own way of warping the world around them and Emrakul only has control over creating and altering life. It's theorized that the Eldrazi are essential to creating new planes or reworking old ones and that since the world of Innistrad wasn't "ready" from the passage of the other 2 titans, Emrakul sense something wasn't right and now waits for a more barren land to repopulate.
Yeah, it also explains why Kozilek seemed to "randomly" go back to sleep in BFZ while Ulamog kept on going. He was just waiting for his turn until Ulamog "cleaned up". Kozilek only woke back up cause Ob Nixilis was pissed at Nissa.
I'm hoping there's going to be some plot point where it turns out that everything done to stop the Eldrazi has some major negative effect. That the cycle is necessary for some reason. Possibly involving Omnath? They consume Mana, Omnath IS mana, what happens once it finishes its journey, absorbs Black mana, and becomes WUBRG? We don't know, yet. But maybe Eldrazi have a purpose, and it's stopping whatever Omnath does.
I will never stop loving that the entire plot of Crimson Vow was Sorin trying to keep his elderly dementia-ridden grandad from being seduced into a marriage by a younger gold digger. Maybe he'll have a change to earn another point in March of the Machine.
8:30 i feel like theres a very simple solution to this contrivance. Rather than having sorin just "forget", one of the key features of Zendikar is The Roil, the reason why no permanent cities or large developments can spring up as they'll just be torn apart by the land. Just say The Roil moved where the eye was since Sorin was last there and you're good.
I mean, also it has been a LONG time since he was there. With all the shit going on on Innistrad and maybe the odd mini-adventure here and there, its no wonder Sorin doesnt remember where to go on a plane that looks different everytime you go there.
In midnight hunt there is a great back and forth with sorin and teferri. Sorin is like"my long life makes me see things differently" and teferri is like "lol you have no idea"
I like how Teferi, Kaya and Chandra go help Sorin sort out his family issues where he's adamant that a powerful vampiress had enslaved his brilliant grandfather's mind, but it turns out that the old coot married some hottie out of his own will and gave Sorin a lecture for being a disappointment and scolded him for ruining his wedding ceremony.
Y did the writers need him to magically forget where the Eye of Ugin was when the Roil causes the geography to change constantly? They alrdy had a reason for him to not know where it is but instead made him a bumbling idiot
I think you have it backwards on Sorin's relationship to Avacyn, especially given his despair in Midnight Hunt, Avacyn was always his daughter even if pretended to think of her as a tool.
The way I see it, Sorin conceived of Avacyn as a tool (hence the Helvault, the Avacynian wards, etc.), but grew to see her as a daughter, based on his anguish when he had to kill her.
@@DM-Oz She got compleated because she did reckless things in Phyrexia. Now, another big baddie has access to this big lithomancer. And also Nissa. And Jace. Hum. Are the phyrexians goin to compleat the eldrazi?
Now that you put this entire storyline into context, I feel that Sorin is meant to reflect a major pitfall of immortality. If anyone lived as long as Sorin did, “redefined objectives” takes on a whole new meaning.
@@keithfilibeck2390 I’m pretty sure Sorin is older than them in terms of storyline i know he is about 7000+ years old I think he was born 2500 years before the brothers war occured
@@happylandings3823 Yeah its difficult if time twists are involved, they are probably older by date of birth but Sorin surely has "lived" more time from his birth till now then they did.
I like that he's depressed as hell and thus he probs thinks his emotions are more dulled by vampirism than they actually are he needs a therapist lol I think (and hope) the plan is for him to not appear for a while then once we finally get back to innistrad after all the phyrexian stuff and random stuff he is on his way to being a new person, black/white with an emphasis on white; where he had let humans into his manor for care originally they without his objection made it their new home, where he now protects people and such and is getting therapy lol
There is a solid chance that sorin did introduce vampirism to tarkir on account of the fact that he seems to have done the same thing to zendikar Also I think it’s a little bit of a disservice to paint sorin as completely incapable when like 98% of his skill set seems to be killing things and basically none of his problems can be solved by killing things, it sorin had to be like doom guy he’d probably be very successful but that’s not really his situation so he just kinda fails Sorin also seems to have basically the same power set as kaya killing things, with a side of blood magic instead of sneaky shit
Ive always seen Sorin as a character weighed by the trauma of his existence. Even if you account for his pre lore backstory being grand and filled with OP accomplishments never to be seen, he hated being turned into a vampire from the getgo, the suffering clearly has been with him since the beginning. Despite his best efforts, the suffering continued to pile on purely from his own half measures being just that. His character doesn't have to end here, hopefully he can finally catch a break and give himself a chance to reflect on his past choices.
As much as I have an issue with Midnight Hunt introducing a massive sundial/clock that nobody ever had brought up before, I appreciated the final chapter of Crimson Vow when Katilda discussed with Arlinn the nuances of being grateful for Tovolar's aid, but not excusing his atrocities.
I mean if Sorin turned up to help Nahiri when she came to him it wouldn't have been as bad Sorin knew the way to unlock it and didn't even once go "I haven't heard from Ugin in a long while, even with the interplanar message barrier up he'd usually check in physically. Might as well see if he's still alive" Sorin is an immortal, ageless vampire, he can afford to spend one day a year checking in on the hedron prison
Sorin feels like someone who doesn't do good because he wants to, or because it's the right thing to do but because he heard people say that you should and so he does because it's what's he thinks is expected of him. Something about how he does the bare minimum to help except for innistrad just rings to me of someone who knows he needs to be a good person but doesn't know why. And even on innistrad he doesn't do a lot he just makes something to do it for him.
This was a good analysis of the character. Sadly the poor way Sorin's been handled in recent years drives me to dislike how the story around him, and he himself, developed. He's gone from an aloof, highly-dangerous vampire to what amounts to a pouting child. As an aside; it's good to see you so focused on this content, great work overall.
It's true he doesn't ever quite get enough focus or really get to fulfil what he's implied to be. By midnight hunt his characterisation was pretty embarrassing. But I'm hopeful for a better Sorin in the future! And thanks man, much appreciated
I dunno. After that exhaustive list of failures a little hopelessness is appropriate. He created avacyn to save the humans, not because he felt obligation to them, but because the vampires would starve. Then, in his final moment of need, his kin abandoned him. Seems like he finally said "Fuck it, let the world burn." He actively IS trying to hinder their efforts to save the plane. Think of it, you spend years trying to save a people who actively hate you for it, then it all goes to ruin, everything is destroyed and the people you were trying to save spit in your face and abandon you. Let the humans he never cared about die and the vampires starve. Let the werewolves have the plane. Then these cheeky heroes come along and want to save everyone, nah forget about it and move on, leave this plane to it's fate. Then he remembered something to care about. It all seems like a pretty human reaction to me.
@@jaojintalonis92 i agree up until "nah forget about it and move on. Leave the plane to its fate." Y'know that's actually fair enough until he decides to actively take part in dooming it. There's bad actions (or lack of actions) that are understandable and potentially well-written given what a character has gone through, and then there's bad writing. If he was an uncooperative ass and refused to tell them where the key was i could maybe see it, but he goes well beyond that
@@scarfhat1 It might seem a bit of a 180, but if his actions were always for the good of the vampires, then Olivia's betrayal could have turned him to hate. You have to remember, there's no indication that he immediately escaped the wall. He had awhile to think, and solitude can take you to some dark places. After that, it's just arrogance and age that would make him stubbornly stick to this revelation. Though I may be giving them too much credit, and it was just bad writing after all.
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41:30 Damn. Good job at presenting things such that, for the first time, I'm actually sympathetic towards _Nahiri._ It's not like I didn't know she had a rough go of things, but this was much better for her than the official prose.
With Bolas Gone, he is the oldest Planeswalker after Ugin. He was able to create and destroy Avacyn and somehow getting a piece of the moon, but somehow he is unable to lean and often acts like a child. Even Lilliana who is poor black started to learn and changed. I hope at some point he will accept his mistakes and reconcile with Nahiri. Maybe when Emrakul escapes the moon.
My problem is that the numerous writers even felt it necessary for him to make all these foolish, Saturday morning cartoon villain levels of mistakes. I checked out after he attempted to drain the downed Nahiri at the end of Eldritch Moon for a dramatic end, causing him to lose, when he should have just ended her efficiently.
That was a thoroughly entertaining breakdown of Sorin being a nob. Now I'd love to see a tear down of Nissa considering how pampered wizard's had her be for years after the retcon.
I'm not sure how big of a list there is, but I would love to see the History of "Serra The Benevolent". I always feel like there are plenty of cards that make some reference to her yet I can't find a comprehensive and complete story.
@@silvermyr if she was a returned she wouldn't have her spark anymore and out there somewhere would be Elspeth's soul as an eidolon. Though that could have been cool if her returned body and her eidolon soul reunited and turned her whole once again. But I'm satisfying just having her back
I think they could have easily fixed the "Sorin made himself forget where the Eye of Ugin is, for some reason" and the "Why is he bringing Nissa along?" with the Roil, it's an already established mechanic of the plane that literally shifts geometry and makes maps useless. That would explain how Sorin doesn't know where it is after millennia pass. Nissa being an elf native to that plane should be able to locate and navigate better than almost any other being on the plane, so why they didn't just let her know where the Eye of Ugin is instead of adding the other dude they follow seems like a strange decision
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30:44 This also shows that Sorin failed at his goal, even if this failure didn't happen in the timeline. He still is the kind of person who would give up, if he found Ugin dead.
Sorin is my favorite planeswalker and I'll always love him. I even named my son (now 14 months at time of writing this comment) after him. Sure, he's been mostly out of the story lately, with only small roles as of late and he hasn't had a big role outside of Crimson Vow for a long time. And sure, he's not perfect, but that's what makes him likable to me. I like fallible characters. Characters with flaws are interesting, because a perfect and infallible character is not realistic. Sure, he made bad choices with Nahiri, his former friend and someone who saw him as a mentor. And yeah, he became disenchanted to helping the multiverse and Innistrad as a whole after Avacyn was killed and he did nothing but brood and sit for a long time. But I can't fault him for being mournful and hateful for what he had to do, basically sacrificing his own daughter of sorts who he had made to protect his people, and for what? Sorin made himself the enemy of his own family for the betterment of the people they fed from and the plane as a whole. He sacrificed a lot and gained little. Sure, some recognize the losses he's had or respect him, but on a grand scale, he's alone and all he wanted was his world to survive and not succumb to multiverse threats like the Eldrazi or the Phyrexians. He had a full character arc, and he's changed and learned a lot. Even recently, he's seen in Crimson Vow that Sigarda is worthy of being the protector and has filled the shoes of Avacyn just fine, which is what he feared would never happen. He's grown, and is a two dimensional character, not a flat one dimensional one like some other characters with little to no character growth or mistakes that lead them to become new people who are better in the end. I feel his story is not over, yet. When or where we will see him again I don't know, but hopefully he comes back on the side of the heroes to help them again, soon.
You know, it would be really interesting if Sorin's propensity for wildly oscillating between extreme, almost sociopathic apathy to the point of becoming nearly unable to function as a person and extreme agitation to a point where he indiscriminately attacks (both physically and otherwise) even close friends and allies, was actually written as a consistent part of his character and not just a consequence of bad writing and bad communication between writers. Maybe Sorin has a serious psychological issue that has simply gone completely unaddressed for thousands of years. Maybe this could've been an interesting twist on the curse aspect of vampirism. We could've had a really interesting and supremely tragic character here, but no… Edit: I appreciate you trying to be nice, but fact of the matter is still that in War of the Spark Sorin chose to pointlessly duke it out with Nahiri while Nicol Bolas was trying to conquer the multiverse in the main plot by killing them all and neither of them chose to help in any way. Sure, maybe Nahiri shot first again, but that just means they both should get a point for failure.
@@erebusvonmori8050 So kill her afterwards? Keep your priorities straight Edit: also if you want to go there, Bolas is doing this for significantly more petty reasons and much more successfully than Nahiri did with Innistrad.
Its a common trope for vampires or immortals in general. You lose your empathy at some point after seeing generations grow up and die around you. Sorin has been alive for so long, and knows he will be millenia from now so why care? Mourning every death happening would throw a seriously big wrench into your daily life.
Honestly with Tamiyo and Nahiri now compleated, I am so ready to see Jin Gitaxias try his hand at invading Innistrad. If properly written such a stroy would be AWESOME.
@@Famygdala Its sad to see them dup their toes into a big reset of the cast for the Xth time now (They should almost all have died in WotS) just to pussy out at the last moment. At least Jace HAS to die after ONE. I'm a huge Jace fanboy and own almost every single card ever printed of him but its way overdue to have him die a martyrd death.
@@ThatWildcard 20 bucks says he doesn’t die. I mean srsly look at him, all he’s got is a metal arm, while almost everyone else have had half their body replaced.
@@emixam6947 yeah thats my fear aswell. Just another cheap plotarmor moment. Its getting tiresome by now. There are so many cool planeswalkers to take the lead, let him die in peace.
If that happens, I’m expecting to see a repeat of SOI, where all the writing will place the blame on Sorin. I’d be *mildly* interested in seeing the Phyrexian Aliens/Xenomorph look fuse with the gothic horror aesthetic , though.
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I think if we'd been re-introduced to an aloof, uncaring Sorin, unconcerned with saving Innistrad, who had had time to think on everything he'd done for the plane, everything he'd experienced through his multiversal travels and vampiric immortality, a Sorin that was just a broken husk of the man he had once been and we got a story where his desire to protect Innistrad was renewed, his care for humanity and the people of Innistrad bolstered and perhaps a greater move to white (1BWW cost maybe?) I think that would've been some interesting growth for Sorin.
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i laughed so many times during this. My favorite was you giving Emrikul the point for stopping herself. Wanted to say that the characterization for Midnight Hunt worked for me. Being So Angery that you want to see all your cousins forced to suffer for the decisions you tried to save them from and ready to fight anyone who tries to save them again is something i can believe as a low point after so many failures
With Nahiri and Nissa possibly dead/permanently compleated as of Phyrexia: All Will Be One, I think it would be interesting to see Sorin move on from Innistrad for a while and decide to look after Zendikar in their absence. It would force him to understand just what his actions did to the plane, and I'd like to see him and Anowon interact again because it would be a good opportunity to flesh out their shared history and give Sorin another vampire who actually has experience trying to atone for their mistakes to talk to.
@@arklaw8306 Somehow, i doubt they would ever allow Nahiri to die like that, especially not to Sorin; whom (it seems) most of the community and writers love to place blame upon.
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In some ways i feel like you're being a little unfair to Sorin. A lot of his biggest failures are arguably also his greatest successes, but being immortal he outlives them. Take Avacyn for example, sure it ultimately ended in tragedy, but Sorin created her to protect the people of Innistrad and she successfully did so for over a thousand years. It's only considered a failure by him because he was still around when it eventually fell apart. It's actually a very interesting aspect of the concept of immortality; To live forever means to see all your plans and efforts, no matter how grand, fall into ruin. To be doomed to perpetual failure. Anyway, great video!
Sorin is the typical boomer, received massive power from his father, controls the entire plane and has the freedom to visit other planes. He forgets everything cause he’s so damn old, and he has his midlife crisis moments where he hangs out with much younger women.
The side of Sorin which was emphasized a lot early on but seems to have been was his hedonistic one. His motivation for doing everything he did was that he was a pleasure-seeker touring the multiverse for entertainment. His original motivations for his supposedly altruistic actions were ultimately self-interested ones - he saved planes purely because they amused him, he wants to protect Innistrad in the same way that a model train hobbyist would protect their train set. If his character is going to be taken in a new direction, I'd re-emphasize this side of him.
I genuinely want the in-set writing of sorin to align with his backstory, a conflicted and often self serving but at the very least competant anti-hero. For all that Sorin is a planeswalker, we don't actually get to see too much of him doing that. It often seems like he just... broods in his crypt til the plot demands he go to One of the other Three planes he has any fleeting stake in and then... just kind of mopes there for a bit too. Give me a set where Sorin is our primary focus planeswalker, on a world other than Innistrad. With the Markov crypts empty after Crimson Vow, Sorin's obligation to his family is over, and he may well take the time to actually travel, as he did before the Mending. I personally would love to see Sorin on Ixalan In many ways, Sorin's White/Black Identity has been at odds with the Black/Red character of the Vampiric condition on Innistrad. In truth, he has more in common with Saint Elenda the Dusk Rose than the Vampires of his Home and Family.
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Current Magic doesn't know how to write their Planeswalker characters. Urza (from years ago) is the closest to a being that feels strange and I can't really understand. Current-era Walkers are just "dumb people" with human ambitions.. which doesn't make sense due to the life's they live.
I was really keyed into the story around the BFZ/SOI time, so I really like this recap! And I think losing all the time fits Sorin. After all, you can't be a brooding vampire without things to brood over, right?
The way it was written, I got the feeling that Edgar wasn't *actually* charmed. He was playing a long con the same way Olivia was trying to play a short one. After all, his family was almost entirely dead by this point. He would need another power base. But that may just be my interpretation.
Ok so we measure Sorin by the only-a-superhuman-being-can-even-attempt-that-involve-other-superhuman-beings stuff? Still would curbstomp 99,99% of the Magic Universe as well as most of the Planeswalkers. Dude is just trying to do the right thing for his people and the multiverse and gets shit on from all sides
Oh man! Thank you for simultaneously making me feel sad and understanding of Sorin while making me laugh my butt off! Keep up the good work, dude! 🤣 🦇👍 Edit: After all of the lore I've read and listen to about Sorin, I want to give him a hug (even if he won't accept it) because of how I can relate to losing someone close.
I think with Emrikuel, the idea is that she felt so much "death" on innistrad and felt confused about that world.She had been "tricked" into being called to a nice tasty mana buffet only to find a land that was stained, rotten, and starved. (Like when Venom says "THIS FOOD IS DEAD!") So under that lens I understand why She left. In the sense she was escorted to a lovely looking restaurant only to find out it's super gross inside. So she ran away to the Moon. (Probably to give the "taste" of the plane a -5 Stars on Yelp.)
The "Teeth of Akoum" thing sounds... so dumb. Like, why would he have to cast a "forgetting spell" to justify a whole discovery thing, when the world already has a "shuffle everything around" plot device in the Roil. Like, he's been gone for 1000 years, the land around the Eye of Ugin is probably completely unrecognizable regardless.
This is why Sorin such a good character The sad thing is that he would be a more effective character if he actually did care just a little bit and fails due to his flaws, which is what flaws are suppose to work. All the characters that he is written with also serves as good foils to him showing everything that he's not from the work ethic of Nihiri, to the foresight of Ugin, and to the sadistically selfish Oliva. He written like a passive lucifer, you could easily mistake him for a good guy who cares and can bond like Nahiri and be left bitter and disappoint and the worst thing he does is let bad things happen. He the only character that gets to have actual character flaws.
WotC needs to hire a bunch of crazy talented writers. They could make bank and please everyone in one fell swing of a sword of cash and approval (creates one 10 million dollar tapped artifact and a million 1/1 happy fan creature tokens)
The fact that Inistrad book got cancelled and that Sorin wasn't the main character of both of thos cycles is the biggest misted opportunity in MTG story telling.
Sorin basically faces the problem of being a wildly overpowered character in a story. Basically, because other weaker characters need to do shit, he has to be kinda irrelevant for story to happen
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The Bolas Ravnica set (I forget what its called lmao) enraged me. At this point in the story Sorin should priotize his revenge against Nahri above all else, but he just kinda lets it go when its hero time. Completely shits on his character arc. We just skipped the revenge portion of his story, and went straight to being sad.
wrong, Sorin wants desperately for a reason to NOT hate Nahiri, he has a weird Tsundere relationship with her, despite all she did to him, and all he did to her, he just wants to go back to being friends again, because he secretly loves her.
Lovely video, though hearing all about Tarkir and how we're not going back made me cry a little on the inside (and outside). I really hope we return to that plan, I love the lore and flavor, and just want to see my beloved Abzan return ;-;
Sorin's story is very human. He's rigid to change, stuck in his beliefs, petty, unhelpful and spiteful. Sorin was born amongst vampires who only ever cared about themselves and their endless petty squabbling. He was taught their "beliefs"(their self serving philosophy) and "way of life"(Sitting on their vampiric asses and doing nothing). So it's not completely surprising Sorin only cares for himself and his "victories"(His petty victories over other meaningless vampires). Sorin has difficulty seeing the bigger picture and is stuck in his endless grievances and bitter hatreds. Sorin himself is a good representation of the human condition. The desire to change but the incapability to do so. Sorin can not see beyond himself and he can not see beyond the same petty childish evil and vile vampires he calls family. Olivia being the pettiest and most vile of them all considering her grandest ambition in life was creating a wedding after her entire plane was genocided by fucking monsters beyond comprehension. Imagine having to put up with such insane petty dreadful people for centuries and millenia and suddenly being told to be a good and caring person. You'd long since stop caring about what other people think and what fate befalls them. "Not my circus, not my monkeys." If Sorin has any friends, they're probably long since dead. He's all alone on a plane he doesn't care much for, surrounded by people he hates. He hates himself since he's a vampire and he never asked to be a vampire but he's prideful to be a vampire but he secretly hates being a vampire at the same time. Both deep pride and deep self-hatred. He was almost willing to let himself die in the pool of blood because of his emptiness but fights anyway simply out of rage. The only thing he has left. He's so far gone mentally, that after the entire Nahri business he can't blame himself for any of the actions he committed. A perfect description for how the average person thinks. People can never admit the things they've done wrong and simply carry on as if nothing happened. Innistrad is not Sorin's home, it's his tomb. His coffin. It's the place that has only ever brought him pain. He has no where else to call home and he's too prideful to ever truly leave Innistrad.
this, at least Nahiri has drive and motivation, despite clearly going mad from grief and rage, Sorin seems to think that his long life is excuse enough for his Apathy, when tons of beings near his age, or even older, still carry on.
51:52 I wouldn't say THAT, really. The initiating violence is pretty bad, yes, but reasonable from what Sorin had been saying to her. Nearly killing Avacyn is very reasonable (seeing as the other options are to just, like, run away or surrender). The whole "jumping to genocide" thing is the REAL bad thing, though it's also understandable. So, saying she was in the wrong at ALL points in those interaction except for the first part doesn't really seem fair.
I think I might agree with you about Avacyn, as Nahiri was blindsided by an ultra powerful angel she knew nothing about, but I still don't think Nahiri should have started the violence. Even with Sorin being as giant a nobend as he was
@@silvermyr Yeah, I still think initiating the violence is pretty bad. It’s understandable, but it’s still bad. It’s not so wrong as to be called evil or anything, though
@@silvermyr The big thing for me is that of all the people who should understand Sorin's psychology it's Nahiri, as you pointed out his way of dealing with mistakes is to just go 'not my problem' or refuse to acknowledge them. He was acknowledging he screwed up to her, not very well, but again this is the biggest edgelord in MTG. By Sorin standards that was a full apology with flowers.
Nahiri's logic is that the Eldarazi are going to just destroy tons of planes (which she doesn't know isn't true, as Eldrazi only willingly touchdown on old dying planes) so they might as well destroy Sorin's plane, for his negligence.
Sorin is not at fault for Nissa's incompetence. Sorin prioritizing Innistrad over Zendikar makes perfect sense. Ugin is a strange being and cares more about the Eldrazi than about mortals. Sorin *was* merciful to Nahiri, contextually. The fate of Ugin was something Sorin had little ability to interact with. The Temur shamanism was a type of Magic Sarkhan was attuned to and Sorin wasn't, using all the colors Sorin lacked. Sorin then had the problem of his own team being less well working than the Gatewatch. Both Sorin and Ugin saw most problems as small in comparison with Nicol Bolas and the Eldrazi. Nahiri needed to be put down before Sorin could aid against Bolas and he was the only one who could and would. Sorin. Did. Nothing. Wrong. This is all the Stone Child's fault.
Sorin is actually just an anime protagonist, self important, edgy, and stupisly powerful is how he sees himself but when considered objectively he is still powerful but iincompetent.
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Very nice. Now do Gideon and his hidden suicidal tendencies in pursuit of selfish redemption for the mistakes that led to his friends all dying and igniting his Spark. If you're such a hero Gideon why didn't you just go back to Theros? Hmm? HMMM?
Nahiri was a bad guy for innistrad, but I don't think she was worse than sorin. Especially because her grand evil plan ended with the eldrazi's self imprisonment instead of the inevitable death of the world that was very much preventable. Kinda lucked into that, but sorin did actively screw zendikar and then dipped.
Nice video. Sorin never had the time to shine. He was always a secondary character in every story. You can be seen as a classic immortal character, losing his purspose for existing as mileniums go, as well as well as becoming increasingly lonelier. He is a dual characterand a wasted one. we never get to see him as a god planewalker capable of amazing things and when he shows that he is still "only human" he is a dislikeble and badly written character. If you think about it, only with Sorin´s character we could get many novels telling us of his story and adventures as a planewalker. A perfect character to present new planes and characters and to explore what it was like to go through the mending and dealing with it. If only Hasbro cared a drop about telling good stories.
sounds like they really dropped the ball in the last two appearances: They could have had a mono black sorin and then a mono white sorin. When he was sulking in his mansion he could have expressed that whatever they do they are doomed. If they heal the planet, emrakel will end them. If they do nothing, the vampires and beasts will destroy themselves, just as he had tried to prevent before. I could see him reading the situation as allowing it's destruction as the only way left to free it from the curse of vampirism and lycanthrope. That he could have planned to pick up the pieces when it's all crumbled. A mono black planeswalker then being him fighting the arch angel to keep the key from the people. Then in the second card, a mono white. It's him fighting to defend the dying arch angel and it's blood from the vampires and holding the same key, this time to give it to the people. It's a shame.
