I wish more people would say this. They let ppl get away for with this shit and they just shrug and say well someone else would get mad. Stop protecting this fuck shit.
@@chrystalneveah4666bro it’s a word every company and organization and university ect uses. No one is twisting that word. They’re scared to talk about it bc they make zero effort and have no care for diversity.
i think the biggest issues with sororities isn’t race. there’s a lot of scary, nasty, shady stuff that goes down in those houses. super toxic environment. 1000/10 wouldn’t recommend.
@@user_28373crazy shit like flipping around and doing tiktok dances. I would never join a frat. Its just paying for friends and slacking off in college.
I literally just watched a true crime video on a fraternity that made a young man drink and do inhumane challenges until he passed away. We don’t have frats in my country but we do have societies and they’re almost as bad 😭
As a first-generation daughter of Asian immigrants, I entered college with the mindset of studying hard and preparing myself for life after college (in my case: med school). I saw college was an investment in my career and financial future, and not much else. I was pleasantly surprised by all the social opportunities, but sororities and fraternities had a reputation for less-than-serious students who mainly came to college to party and make friends. Add to that the expense of joining (with tuition being expensive enough) and it did not appeal to me at all.
@@Alejojojo6 well, they’re not talking about not attending sororities/fraternities because of race. that is what the video is about. this is their reason as to why they didn’t join from their perspective.
Many of them get offered positions in the workforce by their Greek connections. But I don’t think you’d need that in a merit based occupation in the medical field.
There are, but it all depends on the school you attend. Not every college has a chapter for a sorority/fraternity you may be interested in joining. The majority of them are still predominantly white. Not saying white people are bad or anything but it's just the reality.
In college I couldn’t get over how much they expected you to pay for everything. Like I have to pay you to follow your rules so I can have friends? No thank you I can make my own friends
Some people join fraternities and sororities because they crave being a part of something. I don’t fully understand that feeling but people who grew up maybe with unhealthy family systems/loneliness or not a true sense of self might join just to have some type of structure in their life. It also might be why some people join gangs or the military 🤷🏽♀️
It feels shallow and unnatural to basically pay for friendships. Also with how weirdly strict they are about everything feels like a cult. The cherry on top for me was how persistent my schools sororities kept trying to recruit me through my 1st year. After saying no they still tried to persway me to join or change my mind later
@@DanielleAltgirl what, that was very ignorant to say 😭 I can assure you that is not a one size fits all situation, not all hispanic people live with lots of other people in a household just like not all white people are ignorant
As a white woman, I joined a predominantly black sorority. I ended up dropping out of college but those women still refer to me as their sister and are always checking on me. I love those ladies ❤ I felt so welcomed at the cookouts by the ladies of the other branches of the sorority. I was the only white person around but omg I didn't feel like I didnt belong and it was so beautiful!
I think there’s a lot more to the issue than just “the minority’s don’t want to join” clearly there’s a reason. Maybe you should talk to minorities that have experienced Greek life and are no longer in college… kinda feels like nobody wants to say something that could affect their social standing
This is a one of big reasons many like myself don’t join Greek life, but I as a minority would be more likely to join a traditional fraternity or inclusive sorority if they accepted men; if it didn’t feel exclusive with other non white minorities had some power to advocate. Obviously in some colleges they’re are one that are a mix of the two that sometimes cater to more inclusiveness.
No that really is the only reason. You cannot accept or reject people into Greek life based on their skin color or race in the us😂 that’s highly illegal😂 I’m an Asian in an almost all white fraternity and I can tell you I’m one of the only Asians because 99% of the kids that a rush are white😂 I can’t blame that on them tf?
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter well they make it or some do things that make it seem so, when you don’t feel included why would you join it. Glad you enjoyed your Greek life.
True there are a lot more issues with Greek life than race but it's important to confront these issues. I wouldn't call everyone in Greek life racist or anything, as person of color it can make you feel uncomfortable being surrounded by another race with no one you can or could relate to.
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter You need to think of why they’re not rushing though. Greek like is based around caucasian college students regardless of whether or not they accept that. They’re not rushing because it’s highly exclusionary towards minorities. While they might not be able to outright reject minorities, they can and DO foster situations that make people uncomfortable to force them into excluding themselves. If someone is fostering a situation where they’re purposefully making you feel excluded, then you’re going to want to leave the situation. That is how the lack of diversity in greek like continues
I went to my uni orientation and asked the club members to define and explain sorority and frat to me. They were uncomfortable with explaining so I decided that maybe it's a sign that I shouldn't join.
Fr, the one I asked gave me very vague answers as well, when I asked my boyfriend who went to university in a small city he said, "it means they just go party and get drunk together."
It’s basically a Freind group/community that’s ran like a business. You plan fun events,build relations, help each other with academics. You pay and fun raise to make events happen
The price alone is exclusive, it basically bars people of certain wealth classes. Also, one really off-putting thing for me is the rushing, where you basically have to convince people to let you hang out with them, which can be really toxic in some environments. But to mention the hazing of you do get picked, like they already pouches you and now you have to go through a normally toxic ritual to prove you're worthy. In a normal friend group that would be seen as totally insane.
I met this guy at the university gym and we started working out together. He joins a frat and has one of his frat leaders talk to me. This guy couldn’t understand that I didn’t have an extra 1,500 a year for frat dues. I basically ended the conversation when he said “just ask your parents for an extra month of rent and say you needed it for the security deposit”
@Chris that is so dishonest and ignorant, I honestly saw a lot of people on college tell their parents they needed money for necessities and then spend it on partying or whatever. It's so awful to abuse your parents' trust like that.
So, those groups aren’t diverse because minorities aren’t joining… and minorities aren’t joining because those groups aren’t diverse? Well, that’s a never ending loop.
@@noface____ So they're just supposed to force them to join? They literally tried to be inclusive and inviting but they won't join unless there's already people of color in there 😂 Someone kinda has to join in to break the cycle and that's on them.
As a Pakistani girl that went to a school where frat and sorority life was big I’ll also tell you why we don’t rush: It’s not part of our communities. Our parents never spoke it growing up, our friends who had older siblings in college did not speak about it. Besides the diversity thing, it’s not part of the culture. When you’re the minority, you end up becoming friends with those who reflect your lifestyle and opinions in college. And that typically is other people of your culture or other minorities. As a Pakistani Muslim girl, it’s a reality that I’m not going to want to pay fines to be friends with people who can’t on a deep level relate to me and I can’t on a deep level relate to them. It’s okay. Life is going to have some moments like that. But I’ll tell you one thing: all the friends I made were free and no rules 😂 no hate to those who decide to rush lol (btw I’ve been out of college 7 years, this video was just such a throwback)
Same with us. In our culture this was never something we pursued and so we never strived to be accepted there. We made friends outside of those sororities and still are till this day! I do think it plays huge on how you were raised and ifs part of your culture or not. To each their own. ❤
Thank you for that perspective, it actually made a lot of sense. Because there isn’t pushback too often from either side, just a lack of interest from both parties.
I thought it would at least be about greek immigrants or people who's parents escaped the genocide in Asia minor. I don't get why it's called greek if it has nothing to do with greece lol
Correct. It’s a place to cookie-cut your identity to match the rest of your “sisters” which will only remain your “sisters” as long as you fit in with their identity. 🐝 you’re better off learning to think and act for yourself 🫡
@@deyaniraletusworktogetheras someone that never been a part of Greek life and has no biases towards it… have you had any personal experience rushing or hanging out with those groups?
My best friend got into the sorority, and she witnessed crazy, horrific things happen in the sorority. She immediately left. She explained that the girls whose part of the sorority had done weird shady things. She felt uncomfortable around girls willing to do stuff to a great extent of extreme to be part of the sorority. Right now, she is so glad that she left.
@@Ojo10 She told me that she and the other girls whose trying to join the sorority were told to strip naked and pledge a sorority. After that, the girls who were part of the sorority gave pills looks like candy for them to swallow. My girl hesitated tho. She told me she pretended to eat it. The rest of the new girls took the pills. She witnessed them like they were hallucinating and high an hr later. She explains why the girls must take the drug to be part of the sorority. It’s weird and shady. I believe the pills was given is the Ecstasy (another word as Molly) DON’T TAKE DRUGS!
@@ijustwannacommentnotmyreal9814 She told me that all the new girls, including her, must break into someone’s house and trash it as a part of the sorority. I was like, bro, wtf? She also told me that they had to make out a ton of guys at the party. 🧍♀️ I feel like it’s getting too extreme and forceful for girls to do things they don’t want to but get the chance to be part of the sorority. So glad she left 😭
My friend and I went to the sorority event. We felt so out of place. The girls would just look us up and down and either ignore us or whisper to each other after looking at us. We finally found a sorority that was mainly about diversity. They had asian, black, Hispanic, anr white women in it. We were so relieved to find then. I don't think people really understand because they think they aren't racist but even having no representation makes spaces very uncomfortable for minorities.
@lunaticking It's not stupid to talk about people experiences with race when people go through and deals with it, it's easy for you to say that crap when you've never experienced it like others has had.
@lunaticking Because it's 2023 not 1960s where groups shouldn't be exclusive when there no good reason to be so. Especially we live in time where more students from different backgrounds are going to college, some of them are going want join those groups but find themselves feeling left out all because the color of their skin.
The thing is that was plain ass rude of them they shouldn’t necessarily be chasing you down to join all for the sake of them looking more diverse but if you came they should have been nice and talked to you about the sorority and your interests etc seems like they just suck period and you dodged a bullet glad you found a great community in the end
I dont understand the concept of sororities and fraternities. Like why such a big group? Are they supposed to all be friends? Which is impossible they can’t all be your friends. This is this American fakeness friendly to everybody again.
It’s cultural not simply the color of your skin, though that is a part. It’s about your background and economic status/mindset of parents. Sorority houses are very commonly generational.
My mother joined a sorority at LSU. (AKA) it was during the Civil rights movement of the late 60s. Their brother fraternity, walked the sisters to class, did ride shares and understood the need to keep each other safe during these frightening times. Fast forward to the late 90s, I wanted to join, because my mother had these great life long friends that were really there for each other. Her sisters came from all over when my gma passed and I was so touched. My experience was completely different. I am several shades darker than my mother, and the fact that I overheard them saying, " she's legacy, and her mother is a powerful..., plus she so pretty it ok" I immediately was turned off. Sadly even your shade of color in a black sorority matters. 😢. I thought to pledge in grad school, just to share this with my mom but still didn't feel all that welcomed at the meet and greet. I still have great relationships with her sisters, and 3 of their daughters are my best lifelong friends. ❤
This makes me so sad to hear! I think if you were up north it would have been different. My AKA line was very diverse in skin tone and all were accepted. And my aunt's chapter in NJ is also very diverse with everyone accepted!! I'm so, so sorry not to call you soror! But it's never too late, my cousin who had a non-traditional route to her current amazing life just became an AKA in her late 40s. And I'm about to become active again and its been over a decade of grad school mom life when I couldn't do much of anything in sorority life.
Colorism is such a huge problem in all of society. It's so sad they were that way. Can only imagine how they would have been if you weren't a legacy. They dont deserve you!
thats crazy, louisiana population is mainly african americans and lsu is in the capitol. i've never known it to be not so inclusive, so im glad that dip never truly lasted im from baton rouge btw. 10 minutes from lsu campus
hoh you're right but they're strangers, family is not, your family would be disappointed at this idk at least in my society. You're introverted & don't get along with your family probably, you have an issue
Hahahaha yeah it's almost like a scene out of a comedy satire where you have people patting themselves on the back for being "woke" but really are the absolute worst most unaware racists ever.
Sororities are just cults dude, I have a friend who is in a Sorority. She went from a very chill person, to a stressed out, very egotistical person who thought she was better then everyone else. It's insane...
you got that damn right and lile 80 percent of women in sororitys will be sexually exploited at some point in there time with the sorority need to stay away
As a Latina, I think that aside from the lack of effort to be inclusive and create a safe space for people of different races and ethnicities, the problem that I ran into when I considered whether I wanted to join a sorority was the price. I was a first generation college student, and I had Hispanic parents who were just barely affording to help me with college, which is some thing that a lot of people in my particular ethnic community considered to be a luxury on its own. I wanted to join a sorority because I wanted to make friends and be more present on campus and go to events and be able to net work and make connections for my future, but when I tried to do that, I really did feel like it was an exclusive club that was not accessible for me even outside of the fact that so many of the girls in the sororities were white, because just being present in the sorority cost thousands and thousands of dollars which I did not have. I think that when you look at the reasons that many people of color don’t want to join or be a part of Greek life, even outside of the overwhelming racism that exists within Greek life or the extremely toxic environment, another aspect that you must consider is the fact that so many students of color are first generation college students that come from modest financial backgrounds and literally could not afford to be a part of Greek life even if they wanted to. That’s what makes it feel so exclusive- not only is it ridiculously expensive, but even if you had the money to join, it’s a really toxic and often exclusive environment where discrimination is rampant.
@@shannoncrawford3474 By a safe space, what I actually just mean is somewhere where I’m not constantly being judged or attacked based on my background. I don’t think that I personally experience as much discrimination as others on account of the fact that I have very fair skin, but it can be extremely isolating to be the only person of a certain race or ethnicity within a room, Especially when there are little to no efforts made by the others within the room to be accommodating to myself or my culture or to create a space where I feel that I can speak out against ox of discrimination or where I know that acts of discrimination are not going to occur. For instance, the University of Alabama is known for its bustling Greek life, but students of color on the campus often feel that sororities and fraternities on campus are not safe or inclusive for people of other races or ethnicities. There have been lots of reports of hate crimes, including both verbal and physical abuse, against students of color with little to no accountability for those acts. The university of Alabama in particular actually still, in the year 2023, has resisted racial integration of its Greek life and racial discrimination within rushing is rampant there. Even when you have a handful of sororities or fraternities that are tolerant and inclusive and make efforts to create a safe space for students that belong to all marginalized groups (not just based on race and ethnicity), it can feel very difficult for somebody of a different race or ethnicity to feel like it is safe for them to cross that line and try to join that group. Greek life then often feels some thing that is completely blocked off or inaccessible to myself. I can only speak based off of my own experiences, but I feel that personally when I made attempts to join Greek life there were a little to no attempts from the people within those organizations to be excepting and welcoming of me, whereas my non-Hispanic white classmates received very different treatment imo. I’m sure that the fact that I am first generation and did not have the same sort of socioeconomic status as those who were a part of Greek life on my college campus also likely played a part in the lack of inclusivity and accessibility within that space. And it’s a shame, because I would’ve loved to be a part of that- I really wanted to make friends and net work and be a bigger part of collegiate events but it just didn’t seem like it was some thing that was for me personally.
Do you mind telling me how much does it cost? People in the comments are mentioning the price but no one said how much. I never been to America and we don't have sorority in my country so I'm just curious
@@eliyahuohiyon7461 to be fair, it’s where they get the money for the house and all the drugs and alcohol they’ve got at parties, which is kinda the whole point of joining a sorority
@@bruhl5709 I'd suggest going somewhere where they pay you to study a master's tbh... I also don't get the "student loan" thing 😫 like whyyyyyyyyy?? you're barely of age to be an "adult" and the goverment allows y'all to get indebted hundreds of thousands of dollars?????? what?? 😭
I mean this isnt wrong, but i dont think it has to do with greek life specifically and more so the fact that youre gonna be real hard pressed to put 200 girls together in a group and not have drama. The issues isnt greek life makes drama, its humans cant all get along on a large scale. I was in a couple big non greek organizations and it didnt take long to realize they had just as much drama as the greek life orgs. Think about a friend group of like 5 girl, usually drama is still gonna pop up here and there so now imagine a friend group with over 100 ppl. Theres not more drama than the 5 person group when you divide it up per person, its just that a lot of ppl in one group means more opportunities for disagreement.
@lee_9837 im not gonna argue with a generalization. Some fit that description some don’t but that description also applies to college chicks as a whole. The girls in my design classes were definitely worse when it comes to having a savior complex than the girls in my sorority were. If were talking black squares youll find just as many for any colleges girls as you would for those in sororities, at least at my grossly liberal infused college you would.
@@EncinasPro that's cool too but there's a looot less parties and lesser connections that way. Imagine how easy it can be to run into successful alumni in Greek as opposed to running into successful workers at a cafe. The chances of you running into someone more relevant to your life would be in Greek and those connections live on at a much larger scale than a small unknown club
I don't know a single club on my campus that doesn't have some form of dues and at the end of the semester I'll spend maybe $200 for travel or shirts or other little things and they don't have all the events that my sorority does so it makes sense why it costs so much. Any organization I would join I would be "paying for friends"
@@loveme13510 jesus christ that sounds like a nightmare. the dues for the clubs at mine are like 20 for the year and everything else is like, fundraising
That’s honestly a really good point. Obviously it’s expensive, but that brings up the racial disparities in our society when it specifically comes to financial wellbeing and economic class. Definitely some food for thought
And considering the fact that the US has literally purposely done everything they can to keep minorities poor it's no surprising that most sororities and fraternities are very white
Yeah, that’s why a lot of the kids in them are from more affluent families. A lot of those kids are also legacies and they’re only joining because they’re expected to by mom or dad. Some parents take this way too seriously and will do anything to make sure their kids get in too. They act like joining a specific sorority or fraternity is an important milestone in their kid’s life. It’s ridiculous and ultimately pointless.
Depends on the school, joined a paralytic sorority which majority my sisters were white, a lot of them end up getting good jobs because of a sorority that we were in it’s just all about connections at the end of the day
When I was a freshmen (mid 2010s), I’d gone to a fair for sororities and frats. There was only one sorority that wasn’t majority white and they were the only ones to engage AT ALL when I had been looking around. All the girls staffing every other booth would be chatting with each other or other people no matter how long I lingered at their table. I’m not a shy or quiet person either, but I do try to avoid being rude and interrupting other conversations. There were just no openings. And I don’t know if it was on purpose, but it did get weird enough that a few other visitors outright went, “oh I’m, I think she (me) had some questions and she was here first”. Whatever the case, even if that one sorority seemed pretty great, the environment as a whole just wasn’t something I wanted to linger in.
In the 1940s, when my mom was a girl, she came out of a movie theater on a Saturday afternoon and was shocked to see a young woman scrubbing the sidewalk with a toothbrush. My mom asked her why she was doing that and the woman said her sorority was making her do it as a punishment. My mom decided then and there that she'd never join a sorority and went on in college to be an independent. Not many kids did that in the 50s, but the small group she hung out with were smart, witty, independent and talented. One of them went on to write shows for Broadway. When I hit college, I knew that Greek life was simply *not* for me, either. Why would anyone need an external structure for their friendships? I wanted to be friends with lots of types of people, not just those with similar interests as me. When my own kid got to college age a couple of years ago, she ruled out schools with too much Greek life on campus. Neither me nor my mom advised her to do that, she's just really talented and artistic and feels that adding a ready-made web of social obligations wasn't what she wanted. She wanted her connections to grow organically.
There is a place for everything. Some people really like that structure. Things like hazing can create very strong bonds between brothers. Its just a matter of personal preference no right or wrong
When I was at Uni one of the biggest reasons why I never joined is that they are extremely expensive to join. Annual dues on top of tuition that I could barely afford, no thanks.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1lmao you're definitely paying dues to fund the chapter activities, not to make friends. There were plenty of heinous, terrible people that didn't have friends because nobody enjoyed being around them.
@@Sm57204west Paying dues towards fake and stupid people isn't worth it still. In some cases they're paid to be your friend type of person, who truly don't have your back and would go behind your back.
My white friend just joined a black fraternity. 😂 It's pretty funny, he's definitely going to make things a bit awkward but I hope he has a good time and everything works out.
They're all exclusive just by nature. They can pick and choose exactly who they want to join. You can rush every sorority on campus and get zero bids, since they're in charge of who they think will "fit into the group". And there are usually huge financial barriers, I don't care what anyone says about scholarships. Panhellenic sororities cost thousands of dollars a year for membership.
@@alim.9801 That's a silly point, in sororities they just do extra activities... It's like saying all universities force people to mingle because they do uni activities and don't mix with other ones
@@chinaforeverblue the benefit of being in a frat or sorority at least at HBCUS is the alumni network. That connection can help get you through doors that may not be open otherwise . It’s a sisterhood or brotherhood .
@@chinaforeverblue it’s for people who having a hard time making friends or people who aren’t comfortable living somewhere without support. I never joined one but it can be scary for freshman who are leaving the family home/support they grew accustomed to.
I was a Teke in college, TKE. We had every race, color, creed and even handicap students (one deaf and one in a wheelchair). No one had an issue with any brother. We learned some sign language because our brother taught us. Great memories and I still keep in touch with most of them.
It’s very telling that they refused to speak of diversity because it would be “divisive”, yet the PoC see that silence as an unspoken rule that they aren’t welcome. The sorority trying to ensure they are ready if anyone comes is doing the right thing.
I mean if people in the sorority aren’t even comfortable having discussions about race or diversity then there is no way they can say they are trying to welcome it
Don't act ignorant as to why people don't feel comfortable discussing diversity on camera to be broadcast all over the internet. That girl could have been kind and accepting etc, but if she presented herself poorly or someone got upset with what she said her life is over. I don't like Greek life, but it's self preservation in a world where charity and nuance don't exist to shut up when asked about a "controversial" issue
@@moren321because race or diversity shouldn’t even be a highlight why someone should join a frat or sorority house. Just join it if you think such sorority house is fun or whatever. They accept if you fit their house, not based on your culture anymore. Instead of chicken away and start your own sorority with only 1 culture, you can make other sororities more diverse by daring to want to enter their house. We live in 2023, not 2000.
@@truehappiness4U the whole basis of a sorority is for community. If all your members are white and can’t even have a conversation about race how can you expect a poc to ever feel safe or comfortable in that environment let alone want to join it.
You have to PAY to be part of a fraternity in the US??? In Germany fraternities (although by far not as popular as in the US, and with their own controversies) offer a generous discount for rent for the first couple of years. Members start paying dues only when they get a full-time job.
@@antimatter_nvf Yes... and they will expect you to go to events or live in the frat house and pay money. You'll need to buy certain clothes for events as well. It all adds up.
@@antimatter_nvf Yes you have to pay dues every semester. Some frats/sororities have scholarships and fee wavers, but the majority of their members pay. This is part of why American Greek life is filled with privileged, rich white kids.
@@roka745 Damn, considering that yearly college tuition is typically higher than 20'000$ in the US when in Germany it's like 600$ + you get a public transit ticket. Makes the barrier to entry even higher.
@@CitrineDream Yeesh, how many suits? I think for German frats you need at least one nice suit for formal events (and maybe for a service in a Catholic church) but that's it as far as I'm aware.
When I was in college I was recruited to join a sorority. I ask about pledging. It was too secretive and abusive fo me. Then they changed their tune and said I wouldn't have to go through that. I later asked one of the girls why me? I was told it was because of my high GPA. Then they said I should talk to the national leader of the sorority. I did and I was creeped out. I didn't join.
Speaking As someone who is Asian and immigrated here at a young age and went to a big state school: the girls I met outside of the sorority were the ones who stood by my assailant after I was SA. I then needed any reprieve to survive my time there and meet new people so I joined a sorority. Many of my friends who kept me safe and away from my assailant were in fraternities and are still my friends to this day along with girls from different Greek houses. There’s definitely not a ton of diversity but it truly is something that I think saved me at the time and gave me reprieve
I’ve always heard stories of people dying when they pledge. Every Sorority/Frat chapter will tell you they don’t haze..yet people keep dying from hazing. I don’t need to be in a group that damn bad.
Haze is when they put new recruits through a series of tests and challenges to prove themselves to the other members of the group Many people have been hospitalized or killed by hazing
I went to a school in the SE where Greek life was a huge thing, and went through rush as a freshman. I got extended a bid and was so excited but then I found out how much it was going to cost per semester to be a part of it. I knew my parents who were barely able to help pay for college in general would not be able to assist and I didn’t have the money saved at the time so I had to give up my bid. I think that is honestly an even bigger discriminator than the lack of diversity, especially at these schools in the south. I’m glad that I didn’t end up joining just because it gave me a chance to make my friends organically. I had some who were in Greek life and some that weren’t. My junior and senior years in school I watched as most of my friends in Greek life dropped because we were in nursing school and Greek life demanded way too much time from them that nursing school had to come first. It was crazy to me how a stupid club had to come before actual school for you to continue to be a part of it. It just seems pointless to me and most of ex Greek life friends agreed towards the end.
Exactly, I could never understand the appeal of frats and sororities. Someone once described it as paying to have friends and I think that's exactly right. I really don't get what the big deal is. ~:~
That girl who shed some light, I as a minority would be more likely to join her Greek life if I was a women; or they accepted men. She seems like the Greek life that I think I’d want to join if I went to that school.
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@@TaylorLincoln401 I don’t think you get what I’m saying, but that girl was in a sorority; and she was explaining how she wants to be more inclusive than other sororities. This is very similar in many ways to frats, and I basically said I was a woman; Or they decide to accept men. I’d like to join her sorority if I was a woman, or if they accepted men. I hope this clarifies what I’m trying to say, but if not please reread my comment.
@lunaticking The point is, the reason why some people aren't joining is because they feel like it's not safe for them and it's a place they won't be accepted. Which means it's a lot more complicated than "anyone who wants to join," because there may be people who think Sorority life sounds like a blast, but don't join, because they think they won't be accepted on principle
If you say anything besides kissing POC ass and 100% liberal you are hated and canceled… nowadays “controversial” means “having an opinion that is anything besides all straight cis white people are the devil and always in the wrong”
@@laurentrevethan1802 So you make friends with people only because of their color, seems racist to me. You want to be seen as not racist by hanging out with brown/black girls who make fun of your white pink ass 💀💀💀
Along with the diversity issues, lots of houses just do dumb stuff, like hazing and toxic relationships between the members, my ethnic mother taught me not to mess with any of that if I ever want to come back home lol
I think ppl don't understand how meaningful it is to see people with the same skin color as them in social environments. It happens at work too and it definitely takes a toll if you are the only person of color in a white environment
This is just self-oppression. In a country such as America where the population of whites to blacks is 5:1 expecting a small group of people to include specific races is nonsense. Be the change you want in the world, don’t expect it to be changed for you.
It's because people don't know the context So there is a equal reality on the internet that doesn't translate to real life because there is not enough black people, there is only 12% of black people and only 32% of black people go to University So there is only 2million of black ppl that went to university And there is 330million of Americans 😅 so is hard to find black people in general there is not many So if they want black sororities ambiance that it's very forced While the average sororities look how they look because of the majority of Americans looks like it, it's not forced Asians are 7% and latinos 15% so in reality we won't see what the internet is pushing as " visual of representation "
The only reason I wouldn’t go to one of those is because from what I’ve seen my best friend do in college while she was away in a sorority, was how childish everyone can be. They don’t grow up, they party and do stupid shit all the time, and there’s drama and issues between different sorority groups literally like in the movies. May not be the case for everyone but that’s how it can be and I’m not going back to what seems to be a second highschool lmao
100% why I didn’t join one anyone that goes to college for the reason of partying doesn’t have commendable priorities, you do you but I don’t have to do it too
I lived with an older lady who was president of her Sorority and she would tell me how racist their alumni’s were. They were specifically told not to accept a black girl even though everyone liked her. I hope things have changed but idk…
@HavokBWR if that shocks you, wait til you see what white people in the 1900s DID to black people. If you don't like the things black Americans say about white Americans, educate yourself on why that may be the case.
I'm a black woman who joined a Panhellenic sorority. We had representatives come in and talk to us because one of our chapters decided it was a good idea to throw a south of the border party and "dress like Mexicans" complete with "Will work for drugs" signs. I was very confused when a good number of the women in my chapter did not see what was wrong with that. Edit: I didn't realize how many people would be OK with a group of mostly white women making fun of them. I didn't lose any sleep over it I just thought it was something I wouldn't want to participate in. I put myself in that situation and thought "black face isn't funny so this isn't either". Maybe that's dramatic but it is what it is.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's funny to me how people are only mad about negative stereotypes but embrace all the positive ones. Learn to laugh at yourself.
It is an interesting thought that the lack of diversity maybe contributed to the stereotypes held by others from different backgrounds that prevent their interest in joining.
Yes but it’s also important to listen WHY those people feel like they wouldn’t want to join. Some ethnic people don’t even feel comfortable to be in a room that’s all white people. It should be up to the group of white people (in this case the sororities) to want and make an effort to include people from other backgrounds in their white spaces. You can’t just not change and expect people on the outside to believe you’ve changed
LTA (Lambda Theta Alpha) is the first Latina sorority in the country and it was founded in 1975 and going strong. My sister is a part of it and I’m sure LTA members would love to talk to you more about it.
I joined a sorority back from 2007-2011. We were 1 of 3 NPC sororities on campus. It was & still is very diverse. We had many different races & ethnicities, girls of different sizes (including plus size), different religions, financial status, even different ages (my pledge class included a woman in her mid-forties. She was awesome). Our sorority grew in size every year because girls loved that about us. Our dues were also really cheap.I can’t remember the exact amount but I think it was around $70 a month, with the majority of it paying for events & activities. Sororities like mine are definitely in the minority but they do exist. I don’t want to say which sorority but I will say I attended college in Texas and my campus is on the smaller side.
I'm in a South Asian Interest Sorority and I'd love to speak on this! I was someone that didn't know about multicultural Greek life before college, and had a similar nonchalant attitude to Greek life in general. I seriously thought I'd never join one. Joining has been extremely rewarding for me.
@@人間ハーロー No its so stupid to put a video on Facebook - a world wide platform and expect people from around the work to understand that Greek life meant sororities Please beware you come across as very ignorant, not well travelled and with very little life experience
As a black man that graduated from PWI (The Ohio state University) I joined Sigma Lambda Beta, a Latino organization under MCGC (Multi Cultural Greek council). It was perfect for me because the NPHC orgs were underfunded or suspended, and SLB is founded by a Latino Sigma. Being in a multicultural frat changed my life and I'd love to share my experiences with you
Why do they call them greek or Latin if they have nothing to do with these cultures? Why not call it something about multiculturalism or more broad if it has nothing to do with their name?
@@Jkjoannaki that's actually a good question. Sigma Lambda Beta is actually a multicultural fraternity. I call it Latino because the majority of our founders were from Latin decent and they specifically wanted a group on Iowa's campus that would attract Latino students that didn't have a home on the PWI. It grew from there and accepted all cultures and backgrounds. It all falls under "Greek life" which is a term to describe fraternities and sororities who identify themselves with Greek letters. Fraternal orders were around before the Greeks but that's a conversation for another day
@@TomikaKelly social organizations receive the majority of their funds through fundraising, membership dues and alumni support. We were never denied any funds from the university (we had to apply and bros dropped the ball many times). The issue with orgs like us is that we are often recruiting lower numbers because the minority pop is smaller at a PWI, meaning over time we have to lean on individuals who come from low income communities funding an entire organization with no alumni support. IFC frats/sororities have 1000s of members who consistently donate. This is similar to the issue of our own communities, it’s not the gov job to provide us funds, we have to do it as a community but you know how are priorities be when you’re in a fight flight mentality due to circumstance
Sororities & fraternities have very suffocating rules & she could very well get into big trouble w her chapter if they don’t like how she answered the question. She was basically protecting herself from her own people lol
We had a sorority get investigated and put on suspension over diversity in spite of the fact that they gave out bids, they just weren’t accepted by enough POC’s. It’s insane so yeah she’s right to feel that way. Also RU-vid content creators cut and edit things constantly to make people look bad, or she was just tired from class and didn’t wanna talk to some absolute stranger of a man lurking by her sorority house.
As a POC i dont even feel the curiosity to join because of how long and messed up the history of hazing and racism is. Like, why bother? So I can binge drink? Get an eating disorder? Be SA’d when I am drunk? No thanks.
@@a11exxac do I really have to break it down for you though? Look up the brown paper bag challenge for AKA sorority, look at what happens to people at sorority parties after drinking, and there are also soririties who do not accept girls who are a certain color and thinness, thus promoting eating disorders. Not every sorority is like this but the mere fact that this is in their history completely turns me off.
@@aoto8897 answer would it be a problem if someone said my original comment, yes or no? People’s race could never make me uncomfortable, their words and actions could… try again though🤣🤣🤣
It is uncomfortable to be surrounded by people of another tribe because they have incompatible values and practices. That’s one of the many reasons we should stay within our ingroups, which actually preserves human diversity. Inclusion is nothing more than corporate supported homogenization.
Listen. Sororities are known and documented to be extremely racist. Every time you hear a story of a black person joining these white sororities something bad ends up happening to them. That is what she means. It’s scary to be at the mercy of people who most likely harbour a lot of racism towards you, and also the ones who aren’t racist still would look the other way if something happened to you.
My sister was valedictorian in highschool. Had a full ride scholarship to university. First year did great. Second year she joined a stupid sorority and flunked out that same semester from partying and Greek life. She wanted to be a pharmacist and easily could have as smart as she is but she now works as a bank teller. Trust me, these minority students are better off avoiding that nonsense.
That's interesting.. you have to maintain a certain GPA to be in the sorority and they closely watch your grades. If you fall short you get put on academic probation and have to do a certain number of proctored/supervised study hours every week until your GPA increases. And you cant participate in events until you improve. This helped motivate me to keep my grades up since I was in a tough program. That sucks tho...hope things get better for her
Oh that's too bad. But you know what everyone makes mistakes or gets off track at some point in their life. It's up to her where she goes from here. She can always go back and finish her degree or whatever she wants. She sounds smart so really it's up to her. I mean I probably sound ancient to you but it seems like just the other day I was in my 20s but now I'm 40 so trust me it's never too late in life to do what you want and go after your goals
@@RoxiePoxi true. I’m not in a frat (don’t really care for it) but most of my friends are and they have to keep at least decent grades. The whole “Greek life kids” flunking out isn’t really a thing in my experience
Yo im white and when i was in college i didnt think i was skinny or pretty enough to be in one it’s honestly just the stigma we form against it and it causes certain people to not join me as one of them i always saw pretty girls who were thinner than me and i somehow convinced myself i wouldnt be accepted in due to me being a little thicker. We all should be kinder to everyone and accept everyone regardless of race gender or how they look.
Yeah this video is focused on race, but the biggest criticisms ive heard have been about bodyshaming enabling of SA. It's the mean girl energy that applies to everyone different.
@@jakemarie828 this. Frats throw house parties usually with the goal of getting women, then when they cross a line and do something creepy in pursuit of said goal, they say ‘well she wanted it’ or ‘she was wearing x y and z she clearly wanted attention from me.’ I’ve personally always looked at Greek life as friends* bc you have to pay to have them essentially
My frat was probably the most diverse group I've ever known, with guys from all sorts of different cultural backgrounds. We didn't base recruiting on trying to be "inclusive". We based it on whether or not someone was a decent person. Amazing how all these racial barriers disappear once you start focusing on who someone is and not what color they are.
baby were you recruitment chair ? most colleges arent diverse places so the idea ur frat was soooooo diverse without diversity being a priority is unlikely.
It's because people don't know the context So there is a equal reality on the internet that doesn't translate to real life because there is not enough black people, there is only 12% of black people and only 32% of black people go to University So there is only 2million of black ppl that went to university And there is 330million of Americans 😅 so is hard to find black people in general there is not many So if they want black sororities ambiance that it's very forced While the average sororities look how they look because of the majority of Americans looks like it, it's not forced People don't see the context imo
This is exactly how my fraternity was. And it was one of the more controversial fraternities in the country (SAE). Our chapter recruited people based off their personality/character. We had white, black, Asian & middle eastern people from all across the country. We even had a few brothers from overseas. Not all fraternities/sorority chapters are bad, although there definitely are bad ones. The bad chapters always get more attention because that’s what news cycles are based on. You’ll never hear about the good things Greek life does if you don’t look for it, but the bad stuff will always be shoved in your face.
I was in an “academic fraternity” for women (and yes you read that right) for music, and it was aimed at women (including trans women) who were passionate about spreading music in our community. It was one of my highlights of university :)
We don’t join sororities because we would feel more like minorities than we already do Edit: when I made this comment I did not want to negate the fact that this is how we feel but I never said we shouldn’t join them because of it I think in fact we should push for more poc to join groups as such to introduce sororities to diverse groups and educating and setting positive examples breaking stereotypes not to say there won’t be people who have harsh feelings or words but that’s anywhere you go in short i simply stated how we feel but that should not affect how we go about this situation
Just say that you have an issue because of your own insecurity, stop playing that race card/minority. What's up with an inferiority complex, maybe go live in another world when you would be the majority & have your own sororities
As a proud member of Sigma Gamma Rho, I can tell you, for me there’s nothing like black Greek life. I’d never choose anything else. Our history has been snatched from us enough and it was hella important for me to join an African American sorority that’s in NPHC. When I’m having a bad day I wanna women who can relate with my day to day and not think of us as a fad.
I love this because when I was in a white sorority, I was very big about trying to diversify our sisters. I feel like it’s very hard with white sororities to be that one catalyst that can then make others feel more comfortable. When I got into my sorority. I was the only black girl for an entire year and for one semester I was the only person of color. When I joined, there were three Indian women as the people of color but what differentiated us from the other sorority on campus was body size inclusivity. After I joined, I made sure that my voice was heard, and I put myself in positions in the sorority to help guide new girls in especially the girls of color. Before I joined my sororities executive board I would make sure that I was loud and fun and relatable during recruitment to show other girls that it’s not as scary or it wouldn’t be as uncomfortable as you think to be in a white denom sorority. From then on our diversity really grew with 20-50ish percent of our new classes for like two years straight be people of color.
i rushed a white frat my freshman year and it was a terrible experience, i felt so excluded i dropped that and then joined a latino frat and i felt so much more connected with the members and the community and could show up as myself (don’t get me wrong multicultural greek orgs have a lot of issues but it was better than being in a group made for yt hetero men) ParaSiempre to my bro at the end with LUL letters!!
So did you feel more connected to the people at the frat who shared a culture with you ? And if so, is the fault of the white people that they didn’t share that culture?
@@juliekennedy9891 It’s not just about sharing culture, it’s environment. You don’t have to share a culture to have things in common or feel connected with others. But when white greek life’s are purposefully excluding you bc they can’t accept the culture you bring, that’s how this becomes an issue. There’s plenty of white ppl with recent european backgrounds and cultures and they have no problem sharing because they all have race to stick by. Then in turn they don’t accept anyone else
@@juliekennedy9891 no, white people love making poc uncomfortable. It's not in their head. If asian, black, and Latino all have the same shared experience, it is there for a reason. Whispering while looking at them, making faces when looking at them, looking them up and down. Most people who were born in America or Europe are integrated, and they practice the same culture that white people are. Maybe some parts are different but still similar enough. Let's stop the pretend game. Most white people are r4cist. For r4cist, the worst thing is being called one, but they have no problem with being one.
@Julie Kennedy was in kindergarten, my teacher bullied a girl because she was ethnically portuguese. She was raised and born in our country ( in West europe). Didn't speak portuguese, only our language. I was 5, and I still remember because of how bad it was. And the teacher told us why she was doing it. If someone talked to her, she would isolate them too. That's the earliest memory of xenophobia, I remember. I've seen so many things, so how can people like you act blind is fascinating.
She didn't whisper, she stuttered because she was anxious to be in front of a camera. Trust me, I'm creeped out by sororites and frats, but she did try.
It’s hard being the outsider because despite you ignoring it, those around you will say insensitive things, ask insensitive questions and constantly remind you that you are different no matter how often you try to forget.
Yep Bingo. This is it right here. I moved to a predominantly white City and you're constantly reminded that you are minority because either they point it out or they expect you to be the representative of all minorities and be the authoritative voice on everything. And all the racist and slick and sly shit they would say when there weren't any minorities around, they still say them out of force of habit and because it's so normal for them that when you witness it you are left shocked like did this b*txt really just say this??? The sororities are probably too comfortable in their bubble of whiteness and all of the toxicity that comes with it they don't need any outsiders witnessing it.
Why try to forget your different? Different doesn't equate negative, that sounds like a personal view, why are you trying to forget your different instead of embracing it? Of course you're gonna be offended, be comfortable with yourself and maybe you'll see the things they ask/say likely have no ill intentions behind them
@@alisab4811 don’t worry I embrace who I am. I am a black woman engineer. I went to a PWI and was the only black person in my class and often the only woman in my work environment. I know that we are different, so I don’t need it pointed out. I am proud of the obstacles and stereotypes I had to overcome to get where I am today. However, I was once asked by a subordinate if my hair was real. I was once the only black woman in the room and someone had the audacity to ask such an unprofessional question. There is no embracing that stereotype that resulted in that inappropriate question. This is a sample of the comments that tend to happen to different women in my field.
@@allen55578 It was a question asked in a rather large meeting that had no business being asked in the workplace. It’s a stereotype that all black women wear weaves and wigs all the time. I was there to discuss details about work, not fashion. Additionally because I have long thick hair, it was automatically assumed it was a weave or wig???
This is so sad :( I am a member of a sorority at Cal and I love how diverse not only my house but my entire school is. I have learned so much more about different cultures and religions, and even if I don’t personally practice them, I always enjoy celebrating them along with my sisters who have become some of my best friends. I hope to see other universities follow suit, even at my school we are known as one of the “better” houses when it comes to diversity. We have a long way to go, and I am proud to be a part of a house that is so down to earth and loving ❤️❤️
In college I had NO intention of joining a sorority. However, one day I was approached by someone asking if I wanted to join. I decided to check it out, and it was the best decision I could've made in college. My sorority was service based and non Panhellenic, but prior to joining I had no idea these type of service based (academic, etc) even existed. I hope this series sheds light on the different types!!
Large college campuses are just bizarre. You can join groups based on skin color, religion and political beliefs and they all aggressively recruit. I remember being approached to join a conservative social group that was a cleverly disguised Arayan Nation group that looked eerily like Charlottesville: low hair cuts and khaki pants. Creepy AF. My suitemate joined an all Jewish fraternity and could no longer hang out because we weren’t Jewish and we were close friends while his roommate join the OPP Que Dogs and was also not allowed to associate with any non black person so much so that he moved out into another dorm. It was truly kind of messed up looking back on it considering from the day we met we all hit it off playing Madden, playing cards and eating every meal together. Our diverse group was awesome until the diversity groups sunk their claws into the guys.
I’m Asian in a mainly white but decently diverse school. I’m in a fraternity and it’s pretty inclusive. The thing is, people have a negative connotation of Greek life and it seems exclusive. However, in order for that perception to change people need to actually go to or join Greek life. Although my school has a sizable minority of Asians and other ethnic groups that demographic isn’t reflective in the greek population. Id recommend it to people but it’s definitely not for everyone.
I went to an HBCU, trust me when I say black frats are just as BS. Like our tour guide yelled at me in front of everyone for even asking about Greek life on campus. It’s hostile, unhealthy and cultish
Go to Tallahassee. That is a town where everyone gets together and has a good time (FAMU FSU TCC) Sorority fraternity parties bars clubs I never saw any instances of racial tension or exclusion. Everyone played nice in the sandbox as it should be.
It is a hard lesson to learn that college is all about making connections with people who know people so that you could get a job when you graduate 👩🎓 Sorority is one of those connections.
connections never hurt, but at the same time its dependent on the industry! its a lot easier to get jobs in some fields (STEM) without a lot of connections than say something like business
I outwardly present as a typical “sorority girl,” but I’m also pretty much the only openly gay woman in my chapter. Almost everyone is fully supportive (which was actually a lot more than I expected) and sometimes it can be funny to be “the chapter lesbian,” but sometimes it can be really isolating too.
There’s literal sororities/frats for people of color, which is very interesting. As a white person, people have literally have to point out that these places are FOR people of color, rather than saying the obvious “this sorority is for white people only,” because that’s just the norm. They’re not just for white people, but they’re not inclusive whatsoever. Greek life is run by white people. Instead of saying “this fraternity is white”, people will tell me “that fraternity is black.” It’s weird and dated.
D9 (“black frats/sororities”) frats arent just for POC, just as mainstream frats aren’t just for white people. My best friend is a country white dude, in a D9, historically majority black, frat. It’s boils down to what Black students are saying about white frats, there doesn’t seem to be a major outreach to those that are different. Which can be a positive and a negative, of course people want to be surrounded by those with same life experiences/upbringing/culture but it’s also important to foster diversity. Difference is between the major “white” frats versus the major black “frats” is that historically, and this goes well into the 70s/80s/90s Black people were unofficially not allowed into these organizations, through the same way that companies keep out certain groups. “You aren’t a cultural fit.” which is vague enough to not incite any recourse due to discrimination, but oftentimes has nothing to do with personality.
I would love for you to interview members of the Divine 9 fraternities and sororities. They are founded by African American College students, mostly in the early 1900's, mostly on HBCU campuses. I'm not a member but came close to joining at one point in life. They have a very special culture of step shows and orientation (historically hazing).
you showed one of my sorority chapter houses at the beginning !! i’m in alpha chi omega and would love to talk about DEI! we are one of the few sororities that has an official executive board position of “vice president of diversity equity and inclusivity” and are very big on the issue!
I would love to give my opinion as an Asian American who is In sorority. I may not look like the average sorority girl you think of but my experience has been quite good. On the west coast, diversity equity and inclusion is a HUGE thing we advocate for. On the east coast and Midwest, plus the south; it’s seen more as your traditional sorority. Different regions in the States may affect how the recruitment process is. My heart goes out to all of those affected by the nasty and shady stuff sororities do to scare you away. In the future I hope that Greek life will continue to evolve in a beautiful way to where everyone can be included.
In highschool i joined a club about helping the vietnamise community and i was the only white kid in their and it did make me feel daunted at times and out of place so i can understand that even if your not judged youll still feel like an outsider i stayed on that club though since i had a few good friends in it and volentered at hospitals which was nice
no you cant understand what it is to be poc in an all yt space. "being different" isn't the same thing as being a racial minority. (not trying to be rude to you)
My biggest thing, even as a white woman, is just that my personality and physical appearance doesn’t match those in sororities. Not necessarily my university, but larger ones in my state like UF or FSU where Greek life is so big, I don’t fit the physical or personality stereotypes of Greek life, which steer me away
I love how he spoke to groups who were also hanging out in groups consisting of their own race lol we had some Greek like in my school, they were all naturally formed into race based systems there was the Asian one the other Asian one the black one the Latina one and the native one, white peoples were not allowed to join Greek life
Then that is a reflection of the school. I went to an HBCU and they sought to be inclusive of non-Blacks. The student body will reflect the efforts of the university.
@@ToLovelyJesus I agree, but because most of the sorority eventually defaulted into racial groups white people were virtually never allowed in, for some reason not one single white girl ever “made the cut” or never “fit the image” white people were also the only ones who were never given a grant to start a new sorority. And I was looking for an education, not Greek life so it’s not the end of the world to me but it did kind of sting alittle when you’re constantly reminded your worth far less than everyone solely because of your skin color. Can sometimes be a tough pill to take every single day.
