Sorry Kids, KISS Are Important to Metal 

So basically KISS.

@@TH3F4LC0Nx lol KISS as the brand yes....KISS as the band hell fucking no

@@stevedonahue7956 Paul and Gene ARE KISS. That's why they want you to forget that Ace and Peter were even born. So hating them is basically hating KISS, at least nowadays. You can retroactively hate them and still like the old stuff without hating the band as a whole, though, I guess.

@@TH3F4LC0Nx true but my main point is that gene and paul are the reasons the band gets so much shit

You're right. I dont hate KISS, I hate their music.

Ahh the old Satanic panic years,,,,

yeah i remember that Except i was told it was Kids in the Service of Satan LOL... it was the day that i realize a lot of adults were fucking idiots because I KNEW i wasn't in the service of satan

Why would you listen to church people anyway. The ''god'' they worship has doen pretty evil fucked up shit to those he do not like!

@@jackyflowers7159 cringe

KISS was also thought to stand for "Knights In Satan's Service".

One could argue that they did sell out in the 80's and tried to be a metal hair band like Twisted Sister, Poison, Motley Crew

@@streetguru3054 they went metal before those bands even existed. They delved into some harder sounds right at the tail end of the 70s, and took off their makeup shortly after Vinnie replaced Ace in '81. The earlier part of that foray into metal is not to be dismissed. Creatures of the Night, Lick it Up, and Animalize had some wicked old school bangers with a sound more akin to Scorpions than to Poison, whose scene was barely beginning to get respect from the industry. If there's a time they betrayed their own creative interest in favor of selling better, it's when they put the makeup back on over a decade later. .. But metal Kiss is vastly underrated.

Like I haven’t heard that from all the sellouts.

Didn't Metallica say the exact same thing?

I think it was Gene that said that on their documentary KISS: Beyond the makeup.

or the doors also

the only way ive been influenced by kiss is to know what not to listen too,

Alexander Greeley but no one hates sabbath

@@oscarovenden4641 yes there are people that hates sabbath, but not me

Naw Not really

Erik Stone that’s super funny.

i don't know what a "boomer juggalo" is, but regular, old fashioned juggalos are pretty cool ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-plM7CMmlwlg.html

@@herculesbrofister265 Juggalo and cool don't fit together in the same sentence.

Oh shit that is pure gold 🤣

Anti semitic?

LIKEWISE!

Same not my thing. Don't hate them just because of that.

Were they Rock ?

You know why young people don't really appreciate Kiss? Because their album sound has been so lousy and thin through 70's. If you only focus on studio albums, their eponymous album (that came in 74, of all things) sounds nowhere near as innovative or stylistically important to hard rock and heavy as things british bands had done in previous 5 years.

Also to follow: Destroyer probably was the biggest influence in terms of metal, but again it came same year as Sad Wings of Destiny, Virgin Killer, Rainbow Rising etc... Looking anachronistically, it makes them sound dated at the time.

100,000 years is a great song! Ace nails this, Stanley’s vocals were great. Just a great freakin song!

There are some excellent songs on sad wings! Victim of changes, Ripper just too name a couple!

I said this today hahaha I was listening to kiss alive and had this very same thought

@Jerome Lund Sad Wings came out in 76.

You are very wrong about Judas Priest, just saying....

this x100

Lex, T hats the only KISS ! POST Creatures of the Night KISS is referred to as KISS inc.

Same

Same

@@FrostedSeagull Well said !

Agreed. While it’s great they’re still going, the sound is just “different” than the line up long ago.

Snowblind I first heard Detroit Rock City when I was very very young when I started listening to them

I been listening to kiss since I was a kid, they were just so different with their look and attitude, I’m only 20 and I feel like I’m the only guy my age who really appreciates kiss for what they’ve done for the rock and metal scene

Gabi Francis nice. A few years back years back I heard Shout It Loud on a Kiss and Scooby Doo show when I was in 3rd grade or so. After liking a bit of Queen in 4rth grade, I bought Kiss’ Greatest Hits and fell in love

Green I agree with every word

BTW, great name, Snowblind. Ace's solo album was the best. Still listen to it.

"People hating Kiss is nothing new" proof the title of this video is bullshit as many adults hate Kiss and their need to compensate for their lame softcore "glam metal" by putting on gimmicky face paint

@William White have you even listen to them mate...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wSWv1iVRu1M.html this is not Metal you say???? i disagree

@William White Not even going to bother if your got such a narrow minded view on what is metal and what is not.....i assume you would say Sabbath not metal cuz they are blues based band....or that Deep Purple not Metal cuz they got Keyboards.....i was around when it all started and back then mate they all where considered Heavy Metal because there was nothing else like it......it was the beginning and everything starts some where...

@William White I'm a big kiss nut but I have to agree here. Kiss arent "metal" per say. they're a rock band that have dabbled in a little but of everything. They've done metal songs, disco songs, pop songs, etc. But at their heart, they play rock.

@@KombatRealm Yeah they had some variety on their albums but mainly heavy in concert. I never walked out of their shows saying "not heavy enough". Their songs were always heavier played live. Even their so called disco song. It sounds weak, poppy and disco like on the album but has a heavier sound to it live.

I still have a lot of KISS vinyl. Even had some 8-tracks back in the day. Hated those things. Cut off songs in the middle.

Same. KISS was a real new thing. People (adults) were terrified of them. Not my parents. They got it but many were looking at them like they were minions of the antichrist.

Kenny the G now that’s awesome, for me it was my mom with kiss and Def Leppard, then some good ol mtv

And I like this comment.

Motorhead covers 'Shout it out loud'.... ;) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C1rdCAh-wCI.html R.I.P Lemmy !!!!

That's a stupid reason

A pretty shit reason to like anything

@@needlesinmyeyes7272 - no you're just an idiot who doesn't get it.

Same

post videos of your band.

That's fair. Someone can dislike Rush, but they can't say they're not great musicians. You can dislike Queen, but you can't say Freddie couldn't sing.

look at the corpsepaint. they're the original black metal band.

Bruce Wayne I deny it

Hello There Queen had heavier songs than Kiss Flick of the wrist, Stone cold crazy, Sheer heart attack, Face facts Kiss are not a metal band and nothing wrong with that but I stole your love has more similarities with The Beatles than Black Sabbath. I am knocking them I like 70’s Kiss and even liked their Wings cover which was surprisingly good.

@@misfit2022 No one says that kiss IS a metal band. But they've been a huge influence on metal musicians.

mrbobsshow "Gene $immon$" is a dickhead character. Gene Simmons, born Chaim Witz, is a decent guy.

Why do you hate Lars???

I love Simmons BECAUSE he's an asshole.

@@pavelm.gonzalez8608 Lars is seen as a danish douche

@@AreEnTee For no good reason.

Doesnt mean i have to respect them or their shitty opinions lol

@@munchenonyou3774 Don't have to respect you or yours either.

My favorite metal band were here before KISS haha :D

"It ain't a crime to be good to yourself"

Just a few more to add to the amazing lyrics KISS has created, “Put your hand in my pocket, grab on to my rocket” “She’s been around, but she’s young and clean” (as well as the rest of Christine sixteen) “So if you please, get on your knees. There are no bills, there are no fees”

Craig Gass

Nah, the best is the opening lyric "Take Me." *"Put your hand in my pocket, grab onto my rocket."*

My favorite was "Squeeze my lemon, until the juice runs down my leg..." Oh wait, that was someone else. ;)

You are correct! KISS was the Slipknot of the 70's, they came up with whole hidden identity thing and for almost 10 years they were able to keep what they really looked like a secret, of course the media actually was playing along with them lol. I mean, they never hid their true names or where they went to school or who they hung out with so when you think about it, somebody had to have a yearbook picture of them, a concert picture of them from previous bands. In fact drummer Peter Criss was in a band called Chelsea and Chelsea made one album and on the cover of that album there was Peter Criss (Crisceolo, however he spelled it lol) without any make up. Wicked Lester, Paul and Gene's old band had flyers all over NYC with their pictures on it. So now looking back we can see that the media was not interested in showing us their true identities because it was all part of the show, part of the game. Lol in today's world the media would reveal their true identity so fast it would make your head spin.

Journey was the first band I got into they are way better than kiss Steve Perry is a better vocalist that Gene Simmons

Me too

Me too kiss is still one of my favorite band of all time

@Tom Ffrench I wouldn't say, people dislike their music id say, people, dislike that they made a career off of being a gimmick and while actually excepting to be taken seriously. Sure they paved the way for the worst era of rock besides Nickelback and also inspired more flavor in concerts. But other than that they haven't done anything to get all excited about. They have even acknowledged that their songs are boring and tasteless.

Kiss is just a boy band with glitter and make up. They influenced so many pop stars Without Kiss there would be no N'Sync and Justin Beiber.

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 Dimebag Darrells spirit will piss on you tonight

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 Backstreet Boys and Poison were like KISS - they used synchronized stage moves in their shows. Very influential band. Spice Girls and Britney Spears stole idea of selling pens, T-shirts, wallets etc. And what about Mötley Crue and Steel Panther? They became even more popular than Kiss. Kiss is Village People of rock music.

Chafing cake seriously? Anti Monkey Butt Powder?

@@protestssopeacefulweneedad2017 without you there be no AIDS

You mean the albums that KISS themselves won't even play anymore?

@@TH3F4LC0Nx Once they put on the makeup they decided to focus on their 70's stuff. It had nothing to do with whether or not the 80's/90's stuff was good. CREATURES OF THE NIGHT still remains one of the best rock albums of the 1980's.

@@TH3F4LC0Nx they play a lot of songs from the 80s and 90s including look it up and their disco hit they play all the time and reason to live

They are underrated because of the lineup changes and the crap music they just rammed out period on top of copying Alice cooper

TH3 F4LC0N Paul can’t sing them anymore. The 80s was the peak of his vocal career.

You my friend have taste 🙌 Every watch the Animalize Tour concert video with Bruce on guitar?

@@jasonlieberman4606 did not see that, but I recall listening to this album and noticing how cool it was with lots of chops and killer drums and catchy hooks. I didn’t respect kiss as a band till Animalize.

TwistOfMetal I am not a big fan of Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer I only have one album that they are in Sonic Boom and they don’t sound like the old KISS

Tommy and Eric ain’t as bad as people say tho. Tommy is a solid replacement (Definitely not better by any means but still pretty good) and Eric is a nice consistent drummer who provides excellent background vocals

Feral Human For Gene yes. Paul on the other hand.... You can tell he loves what he does

@@gabifrancis7414 hate to burst your bubble but Ace wasnt Ace on some of the recordings...Thank Rick Wagner and Bob Kulick...

@@MJForever1999 Tommy is what Ace was meant to be...

Oh no - there are a lot of people that just didn't like the band at all - thought their music was rather simple with makeup and theatrics cover up for rather so-so songs. Yes Gene gets most of the heat, but there are lot of people that hate everything about them.

Kiss is just a boy band with glitter and make up. Without Kiss there would be no Backstreet Boys.

well geez was i wrong

I think this is more true than false. Yes, the band has always had it's fair share of critics and detractors... but its Gene's asshole personality that really created the powerful kiss hatred lol. Especially in the last 10 years.

They still have billions of fans and sold out arenas and stadiums so a few haters doesn't do shit. I worked on Gene's tv show and his larger than life, say what the fuck I want persona? It's just for headlines and works every time he opens his mouth. Guys a marketing genius. Oher than that? Off camera he's one of the nicest rockstar I've met. Really intelligent too.

You're probably related to Gene 😬

But I want to their last tour kiss alive 35

You don’t say which one?

@@samkinison2375 Is that why Anthrax and Megadeth covered "Strange Ways" from Hotter Than Hell?

Pantera are members of Kiss Army

Back in 09 Metallica actually recommend for KISS to be in The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame

And Death covered “God of Thunder”.

That sounds about Right.If I had been 8 to 12 when Kiss came out I might not have hated them so much. But for me at 14 their bubble gum glam shite was an insult t the music I LOVED after the Beatles, Doors and Led Zeppelin!

Same here!

The gateway before Metallica maybe?

for me it was Metallica but Kiss was incredible

Peter had the cat makeup because he had so many accidents and brushes with death that he was thought to have 9 lives like a cat, which makes it a bit less lame in my book. Pretty badass actualy

smokeslet'sgo yep in his book he talks about how he got his hands beat open been to the hospital a lot and him vs a dog

Love Kiss. Been listening to Kiss since I was about 5yo so they are part of me .. but, yeah, Gene pretty much sumed it up there.

😂Sam Kinison😂 umm that’s comparing apples to oranges buddy

FKN SLAYER

John Spence Alice In Chains> Claude Debussy

Nah not really, just pointing out the obvious, "it's not for me but I understand their influence" and "We just hate Gene"

@Zamza huh wtf🤣

@@nokturnalmortum4763 OK boomer

What a nerve! Imagine the disrespect! :D

It was October 1998, and I remember it was supposed to be their farewell tour which was the only time I saw them for the exact reason you gave. They are playing this week at Staples and I was offered free tix(private suite/meet&greet) and said: "Pass".

It was a farewell to the original lineup.

@some random guy The fact that kiss isn't the only band to do it doesn't make it less of a dick move. The anger is very much justified imo.

@@Pensasneuvostoliittolainen True but.... How many times has Ozzy "retired"? Everyone still seems to love him though.

Motley Crue doing the same thing

The line between hard rock and metal is blurry, and changes with time. But KISS was much more "metal" than, say, Aerosmith, Queen, Pink Floyd or even Led Zeppelin. Those were their contemporaries in the 70s. Even in the 80s, they were just as Glam Metal as Poison, or Dokken, or The Scorpions.

@Tom Ffrench Half of the Metal scene from the mid 80s fits that description.

They were not a metal band. Neither are Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple. Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly and Steppenwolf were around half a decade before Kiss, but they're also not metal, though I think they were more metal than Kiss, musically. Kiss kinda became metal in the 80's when they changed their sound and took off the makeup. I can't think of a legitimately metal American band before Van Halen, who get to be metal by default of being exactly what metal became for a while.

@@morgellon9449 That's your opinion. KISS were described in the mid seventies with the words heavy metal in one connotation or another by the rock media. Billboard said in a review of their Vegas concert in May of 75 that KISS "unleashed controlled chaos in visual heavy metal" with a sound that rivaled "nuclear detonations at nearby Yucca Flats." There was another one with a British reporter who used the words heavy metal when reporting on the first KISS visit to England in early 76. In 2020 it's easy to say KISS weren't metal but in 1975 you couldn't. Also. KISS was one of the few bands back then that would actually call themselves heavy metal. One of their early (maybe 1973) concert announcement posters that they made up read "Heavy Metal masters KISS".

@@morgellon9449 Interesting analysis, though not one i can entirely agree with. First of all, many fans would laugh at the suggestion that Van Halen is metal. I think they are, but they're really a different kind of metal than say Iron Maiden. But before VH there was Blue Oyster Cult, Mountain, Iron Butterfly, Montrose, among others. But let's face it, "heavy metal" as a genre has been twisted and sliced and smashed into a bunch of different sub-genres. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple all can make a claim to playing metal, although both Zeppelin and Purple wanted nothing to do with the term. Fact: Geezer Butler is quoted in Tony Iommi's autobiography "Iron Man" that Zeppelin was the "heaviest thing around," and their goal was to be heavier. Zeppelin was clearly heavy. It was a bluesy heavy, mostly, but a handful of songs off LZ I and III, along with Immigrant Song from III are heavy metal-esque. Zeppelin was compared to Cream and Hendrix in those early years ('68 as the New Yardbirds, '69-70 as Zeppelin). Sabbath added the "doom" to the metal sound. At the same time, Purple, Mark II with Iam Gillian on vocals, added technicality and speed to their new metal sound. So... heavy metal: bluesy for Zeppelin, doom like for Sabbath, and technical virtuosity and speed for Purple. All metal. But wait! Right around this time two other bands came on the scene (more than two, really, but bare with me). They were the Scorpions and Judas Priest. Listen to those old Scorpion records with Uli Roth and Michael Schenker on guitars. '72s Lonesome Crow, Fly to the Rainbow in '74 -- that's metal, baby! And nothing like the Unholy Trinity, either. The Scorpions, and in '74 Priest as well, followed the metal of Hendrix, who happens to be American. Read KK Downing's recent autobiography. He says it straight: Priest's biggest influence was not Sabbath, it was Hendrix. Downing says that metal started with Hendrix. It's right there in his book. (Great read BTW.) And, Downing adds, that between '74-'78 only one band was playing the kind of speed driven, riff based metal that Priest was playing and that was the Scorpions. Of course, Uli Roth married Hendrix's girlfriend after Hendrix died. Ahhh, the Hendrix-Scorps-Priest connection. Around this time...'76... Blackmore teams up with Ronnie James Dio to produce what many (many many) critics say is the first true heavy metal album, Rainbow Rising. I don't agree, but for the type of metal the critics are referring to...maybe it is. Anyhow, my point is that heavy metal has tons of beginnings and off shoots. But there's lots of metal, even Zeppelin (whether Page and Plant like it or not). Oh... I watched a RU-vid video where Pete Townshend makes the claim to have started metal. Now that's something I can't agree to! I love the Who, but they were never metal! Punk, edgy hard rock...but metal? Come on, Pete!

@@Deucealive75 Well said Deuce. The NME in England in 1977 described their music as "recycled heavy metal grunge." Zeppelin, Purple and Butterfly played heavy metal though not exclusively. Like many bands of their time, they were varied in their music.

@@LzCoda I'm with you on this, Bob. Truth is, right from the late 60s heavy metal was actually full of sophistication and variation. That made early metal interesting.

We all play first because we can, then because we love it, and last because inspiration keeps you going. KISS was a big part of me keeping going!

king diamond

One word: Dead!!!!

@@Rekko82 That's very disrespectful and an immature act on ur behalf. Delete it as requested

@@saswatidhar3278 Are a Pantera fan? They would you know that Phil said The Trend is DEAD!!

@@Rekko82 Nice grammar.

@@Rekko82 Duh

What product have they advertised on stage?

Kiss have ALWAYS been that, and have made no bones about it. They wanted to be the biggest band in the world, and for a few years they were. EVERY kid (abt 13 and under) between 1975 and 79 loved them.

This. It doesn't matter if they don't pretend to be anything else. Kiss coffins? Kiss condoms? Gtfoh

Every band have merchandise.

Your comment makes no sense..u must be new to the scene..their theatrics have alway been there!! Always!! They beat every band to the punchline...name one band who doesnt sell T shirts..posters...

They really were a breath of fresh air, considering they actually had real melody and catchy hooks and an actually decent singer. Ghost are like a slightly heavier, devilish version of Queen. They're one of the few bands nowadays that I won't turn the radio off if they come on.

To me they sound like Blue Oyster Cult with a twisted satanic vibe. At least they stand out.

Absolutely. Metal has a lot of influences that aren't necessarily liked by metal listeners. Whether it's the Beatles' song Helter Skelter, or even Jethro Tull's Aqualung (No Tull is no way a metal band, but there were a few songs that definitely had an influence on the sound of the genre), or even a Zeppellin song like Kashmir - you kind of mix in a number of influences to create something new - and there's a lot of Kiss in metal.

You are from Cadillac ehh? I lived most of my adult life in the Ludington/Scottville area and even there KISS was a huge deal because of what they did in Cadillac! My ex brother in law attended school in Cadillac and he was there when KISS showed up. He always tried to tell me that the school really hated KISS but they were paid to act like they loved them. He even said the kids in school were paid by the band to act like they were fans lol. Yeah, he hated KISS but I bet you anything at the time when KISS was at his school, Old Joe was probably excited as hell and probably wore the make up as well!! His name is Joe Mowry, you familiar with him? He passed away 2 years ago now though.

@@alabamahebrew I was in second grade in a school district bordering Cadillac and lived in Cadillac since 1985. It was a huge thing to the area for years after. I know a few of the football players from that season and it was definitely not staged by the band especially considering the city council at the time would not have allowed the band to come if they felt it could bring any bad press to the area. Cadillac KISS visit was just something that happened because the coach pulled it off and was put together in a short time that could never be pulled off again. We have the KISS visit, you all have Maynard James Keenan and his dad teaching HS in Ludington. I would have rather known Maynard growing up. Scottville should put a Maynard monument up.

"Shout It Out Loud"

@@Jezballz rock and roll all night and party everyday

That is child abuse.

Underground

Croak Hilleburg love your mister bungle picture

Troy Hiett 100 million albums that suck.

Do you know who else has sold over 100 million albums? The Backstreet Boys.

Crap about them

Crap about them

Damn dude talk about brainwashed....human history? Are you serious?

@@needlesinmyeyes7272 Of course. There will be folks in the year 2873 talking about the rock bands of the XX century. They've changed the way of music forever.

Kiss sold their image more than anything, if they were the first to do anything and stand out from every other band in history and leavevtheir footprint behind then that's selling their image more than anybody else.