Soulforged Warpack Full Rules Review - Codex Chaos Space Marines 

Looks like we vashtorr/Daemons engines fans are going to eat pretty damn fine.

Damn, that Demonic Possession strategem looks fun as hell!

My three Venomcrawlers, two Helbrutes, Maulerfiend, and two Vindicators are very pleased.

I have 3 defilers, 3 venom crawlers, 2 helldrakes, 2 forge fiends, 2 mauler fiends, vashtor and a lord discordant. My brain just exploded with opportunities….

Venomcrawlers are going to be fantastic here, and the Khorne Lord of Skulls seems like an auto-include. If it loses 25 points, even the Heldrake is positively efficient if it can get 2 rounds of its flamer off. Going to be a ton of fun to run this detachment.

I hope vashtorr gets a rules update to go better with this detachment

lorewise: given we have darkmech and iron warriors - vashtorr is on a pretty solid way to ascend into a deity and "replace" malice as the fith god

Forgefiend goes pew pew

I'm going to possess my Helbrutes. 2x Dark Pact boon, plus invoking contracts seems fun.

Where the hell was the guy who made this codex when custodes were being worked on? It's like GW has two guys writing rules, and one of them is an unpaid intern.

Vashtorr as he is is actually pretty nuts in this new detachment. His 6 inch +1 str aura makes forgefiends wound redemptors or any t10 on 2s, and venomcrawlers wound gravis or any t6 on 2s.

Well looking like they got codex team A…

uh finally we can get sort of "demonengines" back. Converted my rhinos and vindicator to look like demon posessed vehicles back in 4th edition XD and then the rule went away :D

Looks interesting. I have always loved vashtorr

Vashtorr got me to finally vibe with Chaos Marines so Im stoked for this

Im still holding out hope that this detachment allows for use of other chaos faction daemon engines, like soulgrinders and blight haulers.

If only ally Chaos Knights could be demonically possessed . . .

Currently working on Vashtorr! Can't wait to run this detachment!

I have been playing defiler at tournaments for like 4 months now, he is already solid, with help from termie sorcerer, he dishes solid amount of dmg, and his tankshock is awesome. In one turn, i killed doomsday ark on range, finished illuminor szeras with tank shock. Piled in and finished 7 woud c'tan. 700 pts in one turn. This will make it almost insane.

Demonic Possession is such a non-GW rule but so much fun

That detachment rule likes fantastic along with tempting addendum. I will admit the stratagems don't cause any excitement but I'm looking forward to giving this a shot.

Let’s go daemon engine army here we come!

Looks like Vashtorr finally got something good

Well Custodes are on suicide watch now after seeing this... Just salt in the wound at this point...

Unstoppable Rampage...When I use it I’m gonna yell “Oh Yeah!” kool aid man style!

We need some lore on how Vashtorr's powers affect the Necrons.

Warpsmith with tempting addendum hiding behind 3 Forgefiends. Lord Of Skulls for extra silliness

The Dark Artificer is eating good this edition. Let's hope his unit is made decent enough to actually run.

Being able to forcibly corrupt a vehicle into a daemon engine is so damn fluffy, and I love it. Where was this level of lore accurate, but also useable mechanics when the Custodes codex came out?

I pretty much just wait for AT to get my Warhammer 40k news 🙂 Wonder if CSM will get a new daemon engine at some point. The existing kits are mostly fine so no reason to redo them.

Time to paint that last venom crawler

I wondered what would be best for my 6 Daemon engine army + Iron Warriors + vidicator, now I guess Soulforged Warpack, and just give the tank Daemonic Possession. I didn't read any restrictions so I don't HAVE to use vashtorr?

As I'm watching this, the whole CSM codex just leaked lmao

You’re welcome for the leak, the rest out in the morning

Always a good day when we see a COOL detachment

As a chaos knights player I'm a bit upset that this detachment gets an equivalent to our knights of shade stratagem (I recognize that ours does it for two wardogs instead of one daemon engine but still). Knights of shade is essentially the only decent rule we have besides solid datasheets so this detachment feels like it is a flat better option over CK.

Did we get both buffs when we invoke our Dark Pact? I mean sustained or lethal hits + the invoked buffs?

Pretty neat stuff. If you want to be fun and fluffy a soulgrinder of Nurgle could possibly also benefit from some of this stuff - the move through terrain and Fallback strats i think depending on the wording. Sadly they cant go pacting.

Hellbrute with 18 attacks dred powerfist at s12 with lethal and sustained hits with possible 2+ hit and rerolls to hit if you got a warpsmith with addendum near. Also ap -3 if your throw in desperate rage

Have we got a link to this?

What are the specific keywords for targeting with Daemonic Possession? If you added a dreadblade knight to your chaos marines list would it be a legal target for that? Because thats sounds awesome!

Can’t wait to run this with my KLOS!

So if you fail the leadership test and take the mortal wounds do you still get the enhanced buff?

The 2 Heldrakes, 2 Maulerfiends, 4 Helbrutes, 2 kitbashed Blood Slaughterers, a kitbashed Lord of Skulls, 1 Venomcrawler, 1 Lord Discordant, 3 kitbashed Warpsmiths, and 1 Defiler I have are all very pleased to hear this.

Don't forget the venom crolwer it is super under rated with the amount of shots & attacks u get foe the ponts its a crazy gd unit

Predatory pursuit - would getting within 3" so you can pile in still work? Haven't got many 10th games in yet. Other use I could see for it would be getting something covered in flamers into range for overwatch

Are they really leaks anymore? At this point it's a bit obvious that GW is behind these "leaks". EDIT: I mean really, people have been itching to see how Vashtorr's detachment is, and all of a sudden, we have this perfect leak about every detail with nothing missing? Everything is readable with nothing even slightly too blurry to read? Also right after an article talking about how people might want to pick up some Heldrakes?

I like that detachment, curious to see how vashtorr himself does

Just tried the detachment this lorning. The amount of fails from an invoke is devastating. That 7+ test is brutal. The sequence change to dark pact mortals is so significant. It really lowers your damage on small units to where its noticiable. Losing marks and the 5+ crit is such a bother too. No protrction plus no movement boost for your big threats is brutal. Leaves your army vulnerable to whatever comes their way that you heavily rely on the 5+ invul entirely which is pretty bad. Good tips are using a Lord Disco to grant those 12" auras for cp regen or my reocmmendation the 6+ FNP. Not a big dreal, but a venomcrawler plus a disco can really hold down a point. Lazcannons have a big boost to damage for range. You absolutely need maulerfiends and defilera for most of the strategems available. Sadly you lose the +1 to wound in melee, so you need need NEED very heavy melee to make the most out of it. You'll be tank shocking a lot. So you'll want at least good preservation of melee units and less of a gunline. So a 50/50 ratio of range to melee focus would help the army drastically. Vashtor is not a joke here, but he isn't really a highlight of the army at all. He'll make a decent distraction piece and can hold down an OBJ. But against Melee armies and monster spam, he'll be reverted to his useless state. The army is all about hitting hard and tossing big units into enemies hoping that your stuff survives and trades better then the enemy your opponent. Which as a defensive player is very unfun for me. Lone ops and aura that turn off shooting force your big melee threats up close which opens them up to a lot of damage. Venomcrawlers and Heldrakes are your prefered secondary units, keep in mins the heldrake has no OC so they cannot capture OBJs, but they can do actions quite reliably with that 20 inch movement. The boosts to attacks combined with the anti fly can be devastating to aeldari, drukhari, jetpack units, warptalons(which is a great thing since they're gonna be spammed a lot.), so they aren't useless as specific unit hunters when it comes up. Haven't used a LoS yet but it absolutely wants a lone op Warpsmith hugging its behind since we lose dark obscure. Remember a lot of the vehicles have the smoke keyword. So smokescreen is your best friend. The terrain movement is NIT AS GOOD AS IT SEEMS. YOU NEED TO MEASURE THE WIDTH OF THE MODEL combined with the size of the terrain it is passing through, so you absolutely need high movement, charge rolls, advance rolls, to make it through otherwise your model ends up in the wall which is ILLEGAL. So its only good against thin terrain never through an entire building. The glut strat doesn't seem to help much. Not unless you use it on lightfantry specifically and the 5+ rolls make it heavily unreliable for recovering wounds. Never use it on elite as you're gambling to kill 1 to 2 elites at best. Which you still need to roll the 5+ to heal. The reactive move seems dogdoo. The fact that you can't tie up any shooting with engagement is horrible. When thats your entire goal with big beefy units. If an oppone t gets that close to your units they are absolutelt going for your models' heads. No point in exposing yourself more for further shooting, losing cover, and promising them a free charge. Flamers are pretty good in this detachment as the +1 to wound is quite nuts. I would not recommend the hit RR enhabcement unless you decide to spam warpsmiths on the table because Vashtorr will take his due and he is very brutal with his contracts. With this detachment you are basically hoping and praying to roll good all game. Which leaves little room for pilot skill to overcome bad rolls since you can get into a famine state very quickly if you don't. Once you start losing momentum you'll be either gambling for high damage, which potentially speeds up your "tabled state" or desperately trying to preserve what you have left by ignoring your contracts which is giving up your offensive power. Once this army gets into a pinch, it is significantly harder to overcome it compared to the marks style play we had previously.

Hey, my Hellforged Contemptor is back in business! Until they kick it to Legends, anyway. Vashtorr already buffs Daemon Engines, so he just needs to be pointed right to fit into this nicely. I suppose Abaddon gives him some competition because he can hand out Dark Pact re-rolls, but unless you can hide him he'll need a retinue which is less Daemon Engines. Venomcrawlers are big winners if they stay cheap since they get plenty out of both the melee and shooting buffs. Getting the right number of Warpsmiths in the right place will be clutch with all that self-harming going on, there's going to be a lot of competition for their repair/ +1 to hit buff.

Does this apply to allied units like Fellblades? Because if so, Chaos Knights just got interesting.

soul forgepack i could see them being usefull if going for a daemon engine list with a warpsmith in them . I can see a warpsmith and Maulerfiend being a good combo as any wound the maulerfiend get via darkpack. The Warsmith can heal if in range of them .

Looks like interesting detachment

Hopefully Abaddons points go down from his nerf and I can stick him next to some Daemon engines with his reroll leadership aura on

Vashtorr finally in the kitchen with these rules. Man I've been getting shafted the last couple codexes too

Where did you get this info?

Smoking on that soulforged warpack

I wonder if the possession one gives the target an invul save since it is now a demon

Daemonic Possesion could be broken, depending on wording. Imagine being able to put it on a Chaos Knight.

Does this mean the Lord Discordant is gonna be great again?? I think it might be in this detachment.

Vashtoor knows I'm gonna be eating good with this one. Give my Vindactor Deamon Vehicle, LoS can actually make use of most of the strategems, only one mid enhancement (points pending) and the Lord Discordant might actually be usable again? Give Vashtoor rules worth his points cost and we're cooking up some SPICY lists.

Can you bring Chaos Knights in this detachment?

So Chaos engine don't get battleline keyword for this detachment to solidify the detachment ability?

So, i know this is dumb, and there arw even reasons why its specifically set up NOT to work this way, but parts of this detachment really just make me wish that it could ally in a Chaos Knight, and then make it a Daemon Engine, assuming it isn't, already?, and pumping some of these bonuses into that. Not to crap on the available Daemon Engines, or other vehicles the Chaos Codex can field, but Chaos Knights can have some serious firepower, and/or melee oomph, heaped upon their chassis, and seem lime just one more thing Vashtorr would love to pour his artifice into. Beyond that, it's still not sounding quite like the detachment I'd hypothetically want to make CSM army around, but it does sound decent enough, and it will be interesting to see how it fares, once the results start to accrue.

Finally Vashtorr gets some love😂

Depending on where points end up, i can easily see myself pivoting into daemon engines

Is Vashtorr finally online?

Man would be cool to use chaos decimators with this

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. [ECTOPLASMA CANNON]

can you make a ally chaos knight a deamon engine with the strat?

Not exciting enough for me to want to pivot to playing CSM, but if I were already a player and had some of these vehicles (which I do for regular marines), I'd be very excited to play this detachment, like I was for Ironstorm with my marines.

Scary question: Is the KLoS even in the codex?

dark mechanicum tears

So this is the problem with units providing buffs to everything around it. No risk to the player who groups units up. In Heresy area attacks make that a risk. Bunching up a units in a central location is a tasty target for an artillery bombardment, but current rules are attacking a single unit vs the area.

I’m not really a fan of Vashtoor addition to the setting but this army does look fun

Wow I see why they waited to unveil this one last. Pretty cool, but could go so bad with the reduced leadership tests and even extra damage.

OH HELL YEAH

Yet the Venomcrawlers are still not sold separately. What's the logic?

demon engines oh yes please looking for that one just hope points not gonna spike to much

Is the Soul Grinder in the new book?

Predatory Pursuit gets you into Heroic Intervention range.

Make Defilers great again! I love my stupid, giant robot spider too much.

If I wasn't in an escalation league with Custodes rn, Iron Warriors would be on the table.

I bet vashtorr makes daemon engines reroll dark pact rolls in an aura

Please please please let Vashtorr get new rules! Or make him similar price as Maulerfiends if he's barely going to hit as hard as them.

+1 to wound is far too good of an ability to just hand out to every unit in the army like this. This is going to cause serious problems

idk why vashtorr and daemon engines are in the CSM codex and not chaos demons codex? makes no sense

id find it funny if Vashtorr still has awful rules and its more optimal to run the detatchment w/o him. He makes a great winged daemon prince proxy anyway so.

Bolt action rules when?

So no army for vashtor on his own. With new units etc.

FINALLY! I've been waiting for the Daemon Engines to be more fun!

Where blood angels Are deathguard good?

Whats the exact wording of the Glut of souls..... Is the 6WD limit, the limit to wounds healed? not the deaths? Killing 8-10 cultists/guardians/kroot/guardsmen etc as a turn 2 target to heal 3-4 wounds (if you are lucky might be worth it. after the beating in turn1). ALSO allied soul grinders? DAEMON VEHICLES? re enhancements + STRATs + Vashtorrs ability WORDINGS>

bruh, this makes my dread mob look so weak

*laughs in KLOS and Kytan*

This hands down reinforces my dark mechanicum kitbash urges. Curse you James Workshop! Curse you and the A-tier Codex team for once!

Can you do Deamonic Possession on allied units like Knights or Titans?

All those Soulforged enhancements...... Can I just pretend AdMech is DarkMech to stick these on a Datasmith and Kastelan brick?

Daemonic possession needs to be 1 round not whole game. Too op

Why is discord lord in this video? He isn't daemon vehicle......... Mounted 💀