South Africa's unfair WORLD CUP disadvantage | Rugby's new format is 25 years too late 

I think it's ridiculous. But the likes of Molloy love this stuff..

Who cares, its an excellent idea to have the best teams in the world play each other more often. When England plays India at cricket who cares what the Dutch are doing?

@joedennehy386 player welfare for one, it's not soccer. Too few teams play at the highest level, more money needs to go to the second tier. Thirdly, it's essentially a mini world cup, so that tournament is devalued

@@patman142 The likes of Joe only think in abstract and money terms. They dont love the sport in the same way.

They played ulster during the six nations at home and couldn’t beat them.

@@Nieljoyceniel nope, Sharks fan here. We have the most current Springboks and they were all not available for the Ulster game.

@@Nieljoycenielyeah original game was supposed to have boks playing but when rescheduled it was during the rest period so had no boks

Should be promotion and relagation regarding the 6 nations

No disadvantage.

@@Andrew-fy9wu A cogent argument. Touché.

@@jacqloock SA are no more disadvantaged than any other country. He was talking nonsense.

@@Andrew-fy9wu I like the way you rebut his specific arguments with detailed pertinent facts evidencing the opposite. Excellent rhetoric. Tres persuasive.

​@@jacqloock😂👍

How are they playing 33 matches.?

⁠@@Andrew-fy9wu Urc - 18 games + knockouts, champions/ challengers cup - 4 games + knockouts, currie cup - 14 games + knockouts, roughly 10-12 international games per year

@@MatthewLoder Then all countries are playing that much.

@@Andrew-fy9wu not really, it’s a competition more than others

@@MatthewLoder European players play internationals, club matches, cup matches, playoff matches, European Cup matches.

I just don't see the US bringing much to Rugby in the near term,. It comes down to money. You would need the same sort of money being spent in NFL (billions) to even capture an audience. The competition of the NFL and other American sports just won't allow rugby (a foreign sport) to take their viewers. eg. MRL is a division 2 pro league currently played in the NFL/NBA off season...(but is a step in the right direction). The reason why Women's Soccer in the US is successful is because they don't play NFL...Until there is a school/college program and the allure of highly paid professionalism at the end of it its always going to be 2nd tier and full of late developers that don't make it in the big American sports, (mainly NFL). Rugby is not cultural in the US , like Soccer (men's) and despite all the money thrown around in Men's Soccer they are still a 2nd tier nation with little viewership. Rugby in the US will only happen with a Billionaire tv tycoon bending it imo. I do wonder why Rugby has to be more commercial or needs 'more' viewers than it already has. The fact English & Australian clubs cannot fill their grounds but Ireland and French club teams have full stadiums speaks to the management and greed of those unions/pro league owners.

Giving it to the US is a massive slap in the face to numerous countries. The US still has little rugby culture to speak of, has not in any , way, shape or form earned that place as their rugby remains sub par at best. Their world cup record is a joke, they have never beaten a tier 1 nation in a competitive (WC or tournament) game, and even failed to beat Chile ......a country with significantly fewer players and significantly less resources.....and could not qualify for the WC despite their region being a weak one. If World Rugby gives the US that place it is insulting and ridiculous. It's world rugby literally chasing money over and above anything else. Certainly not based on merit or achievement. Why on earth should the US be given such special privaleges? Never mind that it is even more ridiculous because the US team would get consistently hammered given their 100% non tier 1 ability. Also, I would argue that World Rugby is chasing windmills. The US is a big sports market obviously. And a very lucrative one. But it is also a highly saturated market where a contact sport is already entirely ingrained in the culture, pays far better, and is popular with them. The idea that rugby is going to somehow compete and become a popular sport in the US is a big gamble. Both because the Americans like to win and dominate. And they are very very far away from being able to do any such thing. And they just generally like their own stuff. Good grief man.....even the worlds most popular sport Soccer has struggled to gain popularity in the US after almost 30 years of a pro league (and that is without any similar sport existing in the US). It still sits well below the popularity of all American sports, and they have little to show for 30 years of professionalism and billions of Dollars poured into it. Has the US achieved any great results in Soccer? They have improved certainly....but certainly are not a tier 1 country nor in any danger of challenging for the WC. So we don't have any compelling reasons to believe that rugby is going to succeed where Soccer has not exactly done so. Especially having to compete against an already deeply ingrained contact sport. And that is without even getting into the problem that World Rugby is also ignoring and slighting numerous other countries who are far further along in their development (such as Georgia) or where there is far greater potential to grow the game such as India and China where no contact sport of any type is established and the markets are still new to pro sports.

The US cant even win their main games like mens baseball and basketball they aren't the world champions in either of them

@@Trajan2401 that's also true. Japan and Cuba routinely beat them in baseball. And in American football they call themselves "world champions" despite no one else playing the sport 🤣🤣🤣.

@@Sabundy hahaha yeah bang on the Netherlands won the baseball world cup and Japan won the baseball classic and Spain are the current world cup holders in basketball and as you say they're only world champions in American football because no one else cares about or plays that game totally overrated as a sporting nation

Molloy and OTB love the England bashing any way they can push it..

I think if you watched the sport and were into it, like any sport, you'd get the drama reference. I don't, so I'd be the same. Drama at the bar for me too. Probably at the price.

Maybe you should have spent your time doing something you are interested in.

@@clemfandango619 I was, hanging with friends drinking and laughing.

​@@LeMerchwell they say most Americans go to NFL games not for the game but for the entertainment and beer i could believe that such a boring stop start game that drags on for hours

@@RazorMouth Cricket is a serious sport, no laughing next time.

Rugby is ruled by private finance who have no interest in the welfare of the game.

You are wrong on soccer struggling to break into US market it's now the forth biggest sport in USA and projected to overtake baseball.If you watch MLS attendance is bigger than premiership rugby,SR and URC

​​​@@gunner4life568maybe but its still not one of the US main sports i suspect a lot of soccer fans in the US are woman and are more into womans soccer since they are the world champs but not so much into mens soccer as for your attendance comparison bear in mind the US have far more people than those rugby nations combined so you would expect decent crowds.Ive also heard Americans saying that if it wasn't for the Hispanics and Mexicans soccer would be dead in the US

@@Trajan2401 that is not true the MLS attendance is higher than the women's leagues in fact the average attendance is above 20k in MLS while NWSL is below 10k and majority of the attendees are men .The big population is irrelevant when it comes to attendance NZ used to have full stadia so is SA but sadly no more . Football in Scotland is well attendant while the population is similar to that of NZ

@@gunner4life568 rubbish I guarantee you if NZ and Australia had the US population the tickets would sellout in minutes vice versa if the US only had their populations soccer would be dead in the US as you can see population has a lot to do with it

No they were not, they played less to manage the load. Springboks play the most rugby out of all nations our players are heavily managed. They need family time and rest

@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbyes they were 😂 had 2 months off

I'll Take Matt(Coach)'s WORDs(on the subject, of Rugby)...thank u . 🙄

@@manueldumont3709 great idea 🙌🏻🤣

No, they didn't. They played in the URC.

@wlk2408 No, they did not. A group of sprinbok players were rested during the 6 nations. If you dont belive me please go back and check

@MrBigcharl No mate, they played. There was a handful that played less. To compare that to all time, the European internationals get off during rugby championship, which is not even close to the same. European international players have a much bigger break.

@@wlk2408you’re joking 🤣 sharks had 7/8 springbok players not playing for 2 months

@@MatthewLoder Who would that be? Do you think the Springboks only have Sharks players?

agree,

Disagree, they are a much better team now than during the Irish series. 4 new mobile ball playing props have emerged since the Irish series that will bring a new dimension to their game. None of the old deadwood are left in the propping ranks. Add in a new back 3, a better centre pairing and most importantly the additions of Joe Schmidt and Jase Ryan to the coaching ranks makes them a very different beast this year. People judging them based on that Irish series and some of the games last year are in for a rude shock.

​@@alanwright3716yes they're living in the past the AB side at the world cup will be far better and different than the average sides they played almost half the team they've never ever played against

That's like asking how the European championship in football grows the game. It's a dumb question lad

it's called diluting ...world cup means only the best go not some 3rd tier nation that will have 100pts put past them

Nah devalues the world cup

Rugby cannot continue to ignore Amer, they have leagues in place and are a massive market. It's not as if they need to code switch they have the talent and are sleeping giants. Everyone knows it

Well at least SA will have more of a chance of winning something unlike the RC and SR yes that's the answer run away to inferior comps 😂

@Trajan SA got a raw deal out of SR, considering all SANZAAR funding came from South Africa and it's viewers. We travelled way more and the NZ constantly changing rules and draws with terrible traveling for Boks made it a terrible deal. South Africa are just as good with far bigger markets than what NZ offer up. We know the British coddled NZ as they were always seeking a global game, NZ cannot cry now. See in you the WC mate, i hope you guys don't choke against France or Ireland 🤣

Awesome 👏

Brilliant, you discovered our secret plot, we've hypnotised the world to do our bidding, crikey we're clever

not on Lions years either

Keep politics out of sport

@@Trajan2401 I agree but sadly politics is inextricably connected with sport as is commerce. Just like the in the days of Rome. Give the peasants bread and circuses and nobody will complain.

You are right, SA does not have an economy to compete with 1st tier nations but still won 3 world cups. How many worlds cups did those 1st world nations won?

We are delighted to keep playing the saffers, and they play home and away just as we kiwis do.

The Crusaders snd Chiefs would destroy those inferior NH clubs 😂

​@@peter636 they just wouldn't. Ireland have beaten New Zealand 4 times in over a 100 years, never got past a rwc 1/4 final. Leinster didn't win anything and you think they'd beat the 7 tine champs? You're delusional.

existential...

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@asnieres32 Do you have good reasons for ignoring so many well documented facts?

Of course we are nervous, but not as nervous as the French. We've never lost a pool match, and France choked in the opening match of the last rwc they hosted

@@joedennehy386 this time its gonna be a total different ball game

Englands fault in the first place for thinking they were that great that they could declare early that's where it went downhill for England and im not Australian either

Typical English hipocrisy 😂😂😂

If it’s such a bad rule maybe change it , why have it there if it’s against the spirit .

How can it be disrespectful if it is in the laws of the game, respect the laws and then there is no problem.

England did it to de grand home the year before you muppet, and Bairstow tried to do it in this ashes series.