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Forgot to mention- the special also hints at the fact that Kyle is what makes Cartman the way he is, as his wife points out. It's pretty much solidified knowing his future when he remains friends with Kyle. Just figured I'd mention this!
In the first three seasons of South Park, Cartman was just a very ill-tempered, and materialistic kid. It wasn’t until the fourth and fifth season where Cartman became evil. It was Kyle who constantly reminded Cartman how fat and stupid he is, and the anti-Semitism was just being anti-Kyle.
@@jag92949 I actually had a student point this out to me! It's not something that I see discussed often, but it fits really well with this new narrative.
@@Mrsierramist1 I’ve watched every South Park episode, and remember when Cartman wasn’t the show’s antagonist. It was liberal celebrities & Saddam Hussein during the first three seasons.
Anyone else realize how Butters' only real friend he kept into adulthood was Kenny, which fits with the Hawaii episode where he says Kenny is the only kid he even really likes.
I thought the message was that it wasn't cartman that was bad for south park. South Park was bad for him. In one timeline he left and fixed himself, in another he stayed, and never changed.
Pretty much what I got as well. It reminds me of that episode where they have Clyde replace Cartman in the sled races, and by the time Cartman is able to be in the sled race, Clyde basically breaks down crying and thanking Cartman for coming back. It's clear that South Park, and Kyle and Stan, are basically dependent on Cartman's misery and bad deeds to enjoy life.
I didn't really get that on my initial viewing of the special, but it does make more sense. For me, I thought it was a thing that Cartman no longer made other people feel awful and the world did that enough, so it too everything that he got enjoyment out of and left him having to find something else that fulfiled him, that ironically being a rabi with a loving family. I thought the only time Cartman sorts himself out and changes who he is, was the time where everyone is miserable.
What's depressing about the ending is that Cartman's situation wasn't even as bad as what Kyle and Stan got it was the worst. They might be alone and miserable but they still had a home and probably decent income, just some self reflection and they could turn that life around. Cartman had no hope lol
@@kaijotten Well AkShUaLlY - its shounen ai and not yaoi, since they dont bang. I still prefer shounen ai. If I want yaoi, the doujin world got me covered.
The cartman story arc is like a perfect example of how people were effected by covid. Most people’s lives were completely derailed and want nothing more than to go back in time and get a second chance while others were on such a bad path that covid actually saved their lives and helped them be better. Cartman was the latter and it sucjs that they had to do him like that but also he made his half brother eat his father sooooo
I honestly thought his character arc had nothing to do with Covid and that Covid was simply a placeholder event that could be anything as long as it broke their friendship. By being friends with the boys he was trapped in a continuous toxic relationship (one he created himself) and it took an external force, in this case Covid, to break that relationship. Which resulted in him finally having a change for the first time which allowed him to become a good person. It’s kind of funny how Kyle was relatively the same person with or without their friendship which I found very interesting, does that just go to show how unaffected he is by Eric? However what you said is definitely completely true. It takes a powerful external force to change so many peoples lives, some for better and some for worse and Covid did just that.
This! I had to go on disability right around the beginning of the lockdowns, and while everybody else was pulling their hair out being trapped indoors, I was experiencing tremendous relief. Life itself was becoming overwhelming for me, and it was weird to see how other people were suffering over making the exact same lifestyle change that was breathing new life into me. Now it’s looking like I’ll have to be on some form of disability for the rest of my life, and the pandemic has helped me accept that fact. Sometimes there are factors outside of our control that force us to do less than we want to, and you just have to face that. I wish they had had another character flourish in the “bad” timeline, just to show that even the worst case scenario can end up being the best for some people (without those people being terrible like Cartman).
@@eileensnow6153 I thrived too.being an introvert and insecure in school before (finished my countries equivalent of highschool right before covid) I thrived not having to deal with classmates and group projects. Was it really a traumatic thing for others?
Butters actually becoming a powerful villain was the highlight of the episode for me. I found it hilarious that even as a grown badass he still used the urinal in his own special way xD
Omg I laughed so hard at that because for some reason, Everytime Its ever showed butters using the urinal like that in an episode I have always chuckled for some reason. It always tickles the hell out of me Everytime I see it for whatever reason lol, so when I seen him do it here as an adult, I busted out laughing!! Little things like that sometimes I get way more humor out of than probably intended lol.
Matt and Trey said in some commentary track that they liked it the first time, so they had to do it the second time and so on. I just knew it was coming, when Butters entered the bathroom.
I cried, too, man. I started crying tears of happiness at seeing everyone's futures turning out bright, only to have my heart ripped out once they revealed Cartman. It's sad to think that it's the boys' broship that enables him into being a bad person, since them breaking up and Cartman getting better friends is the thing that seemingly lead him down a better path.
Think about it this way.. cartman sacraficed his kids for Kyle. So who is the bad guy .. it was always Kyle. Cartman really was the Christ figure.. he sacrificed everything for everyone else to get their happy ending. Cartman leaving south park proves south park is toxic. Even look at how horrible stan was to his dad. Cartman starts the cycle of forgiveness and hope. Even Stan didn’t believe in his dad and the weed^ the weed that actually did save humanity.. and that’s all because of cartman,
@@npcimknot958 yeah but carman sucked. He bullied butters who’s always been naive and good to him. Cartman is no better. It doesn’t follow that him making new friends make him better. It’s more like he isn’t trying to show his old self to his new friends.
I want to imagine Matt and Trey were sitting in the studio asking "How do we make Butters the villain that he's always wanted to be?" and then when the whole NFT craze hit they had that eureka moment and wrote him to be the final boss of all NFT bros
@@PapaKaffey he was his own worst influence this proves it he doesn't sort himself out unless hes completely alianated by his friends and I mean hes still a complete dick in that universe too he barges his way back into kyles life to shove in his face that he got the happy jewish life kyle wanted he does litteraly everything he can to piss kyle off then acts like kyles the dick for asserting boundaries with someone hes helping out but has absolutely no obligation to do anything for I mean cartman hadn't changed atall he just ended up changing his methods of torment because he doesn't want to come off as the bad guy to his family
If I were Matt & Trey, I would have done a surprise of Eric Cartman being the dictator of the USA. Politics attracts people like Eric Cartman. The idea of an ambitious, evil genius like Cartman being homeless makes no sense.
If you feel sorry for cartman, you might have some issues. Honestly have hoped cartman would die after multiple episodes, he's literally worse than Satan. Wells Southparks satan
I think what made the ending so sad despite it being Cartman is because the special showed that South Park was what turned him into a monster. As soon as he left that place is when he became better for it. So as much as I would feel like he deserved it on the other hand he was a victim of his surroundings and he could have been redeemed if it wasnt for the town that made him that way.
I think the unified feelings about Cartman show that deep down most of us would be happy to have evil people redeemed rather than punished. Interesting when you see that the Justice system seems to be more about punishment than trying to fix people.
Trey and Matt despite everything up to this point had done the unthinkable. He made us feel bad and sympathetic for eric cartman. The man who gave up everything he had just to make the world a better place, the same one who had been the worst person morally on the show period, we actually felt sympathy for.
It further cements the idea of Kyle being the anti cartman, even to a fault. Kyle wanted to go back in time and manipulate the past, but cartman was actually willing to sacrifice something (everything). Kyle had it all growing up, and became an average albeit frustrated adult. Cartman came from a broken home but somehow found peace and love.
Cartman did give Kyle AIDS though and have a kids parents killed and fed them to the kid in chili. I don't think he's capable of truly loving another person. He's a narcissist and possibly a sociopath.
It isn't Cartman I feel bad for, it's his family. A wife he'll never love and kids he'll never have. They were all so happy together and now they'll never know that happiness. For the sake of everyone in town a good family had to be utterly destroyed to the point of never having existed.
Maybe he did marry but his wife left him with the kids, kinda like the Heidi situation. They didn't stop the pandemic, so chances are they still could have met
@@kissme1518 see that's why I think the reformed cartman who is constantly trying to make up for his past is the better more deserved ending for him, it's absolutely everything the evil eric cartman would hate.
This episode made me emotional as well. Even though Cartman is evil, he is still a child. The fact that redemption is possible only reinforces that idea. Children can change in the right environment and with the right support. The entire story was executed so well!
This is every alcoholic I've known (hundreds) and every narcissist I've ever grown up with- (4 ) It's actually quite accurate. Are there 2 writers in A.A. ? M. Elgin. Illinois
@@DrDeathpwnsu Without Kyle in his life (they split up when they were children) Cartman is able to grow and care about someone else. The show implies that he actually cares about his family. I'm not talking about any one moment. That would be growth over an extended amount of time that the viewer did not see. All we know is that he is selfish and evil as a child and after the time jump he at least cares about his family.
@@Mrsierramist1 have you seen the butterfly effect, which Randy references? There had to be some dark consequence to changing the time line for the reference to fit. It's a gag basically, both of his futures are. The only sad thing is how they just went full homeless guy cliche instead of any nuance; they could have made him like, work for butters or something. It's basically like being upset because the chicken didn't cross the road. Yeah, he got hit by a truck. Sorry.
@@DrDeathpwnsu I have. I get that it's a gag. I just like to go way too deep into this show and analyze stuff that the writers didn't intend. I still like the idea of an evil kid being able to change in the right environment etc
To clarify the ‘Tegrity portion; future Stan ends up leaving his past father the future weed. That’s a post-covid special strain, thus that weed doesn’t exist in that timeline yet. So Past Randy ends up analyzing it and realizes it’s a strain that he’s never encountered before. This is what leads to everyone being so high and forgiving towards each other, the strain is so damn strong.
I think the moment that made me cry personally was just seeing Butter’s dad hug him. I’ve never seen him do anything other than ground his son, so seeing him finally give Butters some genuine affection was something that I really liked. Even if he was high as balls while doing it
That ending hurt so bad, even though Cartman is evil incarnate, it was still sad to see him end up like that. I feel like going forward watching them be kids and knowing their destiny’s it’ll make the show feel very different. Great video, excited to see more of your stuff !
I wouldn't even say he's evil incarnate , as yes he Is a horrible person but it's due to his mother's lifestyle and parenting skills as well as Kyle somehow but he has good moments such as taking care of cats and his soft spot for Kenny. So there were still seeds of good in him as seen with his Jewish side so it's really sad they did that to him.
Cartman may be an asshole. But I didn't like his actual fate. It would have been better if he had a less bad fate. I wish he became a garbage truck driver at least or some kind of menial worker.
@@MaxxdOut313 okay and ? What does that have to do with anything I said I never said he was a good person i said he has had good moments showing he isn't without hope
@@MaxxdOut313 oh wrong comment I thought you were someone else but yes feeding the parents of someone who bullied you is extremely gruesome but i wouldn't see that as he is pure evil it's one of the worst things he's done but as I said he does do good some times and even ones he gains nothing from tho you could still count them on one hand so I wouldn't say he's pure evil. Which everyone brings up how he's done that but no one points out that the kids are still okay with It enough to hang out with him
It’s rare that I feel bad for Eric. The first time was when he was told to grow up and suddenly his stuffed animals started to “die” and it turned out it was just him going crazy. Then this. We see how his life could have been. How happy he was, how changed he was, then he truly changed and sacrificed his happiness to save everyone just to end up like that, I truly feel sorry for him. Yes he deserves it, he is a true monster. But I can’t help but feel bad.
It’s not that the future was horrible, it’s jus that the people within South Park were horrible Cartman was the only one to grow up and move on with life, accepted change Meanwhile Kyle and Stan refuse to change and despise their life
Trey and Matt really deserve a standing ovation on this one it’s crazy to feel sympathy towards someone who grounded up a kids parents into chili and then fed it to him. They really hit it out of the park with this special.
My best friend, bandmate, brother, passed away during the lockdown last year. I was the one who found him, he'd sunken deeper into his depression and OD'd intentionally. This episode was the first time I think South Park ever hit me really really hard, lol. Just kinda sat there in the room afterwards with the tv off, I think it was the first time I really let myself feel all the shit I try to keep pushed down since it happened. So... not that it matters or they'll ever know, but, thanks, Matt and Trey. Like... for real.
everything you said about cartman was EXACTLY what i was thinking. seeing him in the “fixed” future hit hard. i think a lot of people just wanted to see everyone happy at the end, ending with a happily ever after - but nothing’s perfect. overall, the special was amazing, and awesome video recap!!
I like it because it was thought provoking. It's strange how a psychopathic little piece of shit somehow ended up accidentally saving the town. I bet the past Cartman preferred this ending too.
i also shed a tear when they showed cartman sitting on the sidewalk; the creators somehow managed to make me (and plenty of others) feel sympathetic towards him.
It just shows you how great character development can happen to the worst characters. "worst" of course meaning his morals and not the character itself.
Just remember when he tried to be Hitler and exterminate the Jews after seeing The Passion of the Christ. You stop feeling bad for him real quick after that… or at least you should…
@@Christian-ql7uq i don't believe in dehumanizing others, in spite of their awful behavior, or trying to strip away what I believe should be a human right.
Unpopular opinion but I think the show just gets better and better, these specials were the best thing I'd seen and I really hold the show so close to my heart now after watching them
I did feel pretty bad for Cartman despite the bad things hes done but I was happy for Kyle and Stan since they get a happier life in this timeline and it’s great to see kenny Alive I love kenny so much
I know that South Park is still running strong, and the world being the way it is will mean that Matt and Trey would never be short of ideas but if Post COVID was how they decided to send it off, I would be content with that
I like how you completely don’t mention the fact that cartman kidnapped tweek and Craig and decided to waste his time going up to the ceiling and tying them to the roof to just hang there when in all that time they could have done literally anything productive
@@Bloomser I have a feeling that Victor Chaos is not only the Adult Version of Professor Chaos who borrows the first name of Dr. Doom, but his character seems to borrow a lot from Maxwell Lord (a wonder woman villain)!
The issue why its so heart breaking is that the Cartman we knew who lost everything was not the same Cartman who did all those awful things. Now if he still was the same terrible person, no one would care; but he wasn't. He grew up, matured, and became a better person who did not deserve the result he got for the sacrifice he made. He lost everything when he had the most to lose. Nothing is more tragic than seeing a man lose his family.
This was the first time I actually sympathized for Cartman. He had real reasons to be the antagonist, and not just his own ego or greed. But in the end, he ends up on the street and denied the loving family he hoped he’d get to keep.
I literally just watched it and yeah, it made me choke up. I stopped watching South Park 4ish years ago because I personally thought it was going downhill, but having to quarantine, I thought "fuck it, I'll make time for it" and I'm glad I did. Personally, there weren't that many funny moments, but the narrative was surprisingly good and there were truly emotional parts. I never thought Matt and Trey could pull off an emotional narrative with a show like South Park, but wow.
To be honest, Cartman's future isn't something that hasnt been hinted towards already. I remember an episode where "future" Cartman came around briefly, and he was depicted as someone that was a "loser". So Cartman has always been towards that path, just that Matt and Trey made it more clear with this movie.
You're wrong, future Cartman was a successful business man that turned his life around, only to make the profound mistake of telling his younger self this and young Cartman was having none of that shit.
@@Kelmire1 ? You're wrong. It's still the exact same message. Cartman was about to turn his life around but then out of spite decided not to when he met his successful future self so his future self ended up being a loser. The OP is right, Matt and Trey treatment for Cartman is consistent in that regard. When Cartman decided to change himself by turning to Judaism after he broke up with the boys, he became successful and then when he didn't change his way because they didn't broke up he ended up being a loser.
Seeing Cartman like that has made me cry TWICE now, it's genuinely so sad knowing that him staying in South Park is what brought out the worst in him, and if he was brought up in a better environment he would've been a great guy. It's genuinely heartbreaking, it's the fact they showed it right after you get all happy seeing shelly and sharon alive n shit ITS SO GOOD BUT FUCKING MISERABLE
If Cartman deserved his ending then Randy did too... have we forgotten what he did in the entire Tegridy Arc? But he gets to have a happy ending and that feels unfair.
Cartman is still manipulative, self-centered, and may have some sociopathic tendencies, but he found a reason to reign those instincts in and it was a noble one. He found people to love other than himself. Cartman will never be a saint, but I think the point the special made is that South Park basically allowed for Cartman's baser instincts to run Hog Wild when he was impressionable little kid.
I was stunned that I felt bad for Cartman at the end. I was not expecting it and it really was a great twist that tugged at the heartstrings. I won't like, I was sad. However...one of the things I realized was that in order for Cartman to be happy, everyone he knew had to be miserable, and I don't think that was by accident. I think they were intentionally saying something about who Cartman was deep down, that he could only find happeness when other people were miserable. However...one thing that really hit home was something his wife said, which was that he only became like this AFTER he returned to South Park and reunited with Kyle. So maybe it was just that friendship was so toxic that it was doomed to send him down that road. So I dunno what to think now!
I think that cartman is a reflection of the worsts of south park, and he would only be able to become a normal person if he left that town. Keep in mind that he only managed to commit so much evil because nobody bothered to punish him. Maybe when he left south park and met actual normal people it gave him more discipline because he couldn't get away with stuff anymore, like that dog whisperer episode or that scene with pc principal. Craig also mentioned that nobody at school liked the gang in that peruvian flute band episode so maybe stan and kyle had a lot of influence on him too.
That’s not true. Everyone was miserable because of themselves. Cartmsn left South Park and Stan and Kyle. Kenny left South Park. They both found success. Stan and Kyle were already miserable during the special. They refused to work together, care for Kenny. Don’t look at it as a whole series. Just focus on these specials. Kenny was depressed. Cartman tried to figure a way to keep things together. They were miserable because of themselves. Cartman after he left, let that go. When he left that friendship is when cartman became a good person. And to hit it home, cartman forgave Kyle and Stan.. so much so he sacrificed his kids for Kyle and his friendship. He sacrificed his happy ending… him becoming a good person. By staying in South Park, and with Kyle.. cartman never grows. But everyone else does. It was the friendship that was toxic for cartman.
@@baotrangia3981 also Kyle and Stan verbally abused cartman. And always said Kenny was stupid. South Park groomed cart man. Kenny was the smartest in the group but they always made fun of him for being poor. But when it came down to it, cart man did everything to help Kenny, save the friendship..but it was for the best the friendship to break up.. that was the right thing for cartman. But for others to achieve happiness, cartman had to stay, so Stan and Kyle would continue to dismiss cartman.. when Stan left south park and joined the Akemi he became a better person- meaning Stan too became better when he got discipline.
Actually Cartman is a very tragic character. His mother was a slut addicted to crack cocaine. He never knew his father. In other words he never had a good influence in his life. His mother spoiled him to the point where he felt entitled to everything. He was a victim of severe neglect and he never learned right from wrong. All that matters is what he wants because his mother did nothing but spoil him. Eric Cartman came from a broken home and the lack of a real parental figure to guide him in the right direction left him psychologically damaged.
Kyle's toxicity ruined Cartman. When Cartman cared more about his family than friends, he was happy--im reminded of a quote I saw tattooed on a gangster, "I hurt my family to please my friends"
Cartman reminds me of my own predicament. I’ve lived in the same town my whole life and while being stuck here through Covid, I had to face my biggest flaws and insecurities. I realized this place drains me of my potential. But now, I’m graduating college in two weeks and will soon be moving with my boyfriend across the country for his new job. For the first time, I’ll be able to blossom and have the environment to do so. Cartman didn’t. And he knew that sacrificing that meant he would never grow and become the best version of himself. Really sad stuff.
And no way you missed the attic joke right?, Cartman's family is a direct link to the Frank Family, his daughter is a copy of Anne Frank, who wrote a diary in second world war in an attic, dark humour. Love it
I like Cartman's go back in time to stop Bill Clinton echoed his old "back in time and stop Hitler, I mean I personally wouldn't cause I thought he was coo" to Clyde again!! Is it possible Yentl ends up with Kyle after Future Kyle told Present Kyle (the kid) that she was HIS GIRL, all but revealing that Cartman's evil and future unhappiness is all Kyle's fault. Kyle = 😈
I came up with a few examples of other possible endings for how Cartman could end up. 1. Instead of being homeless, Cartman lives in a trash can, akin to Oscar the Grouch, right outside of Denny's Applebee's Max. 2. Cartman ends up in prison, but escapes to join the party like his Uncle Howard did in "Merry Christmas, Charlie Manson". 3. Still in prison, but would end up making a collect call to his friends in South Park as the party starts.
I was really hoping he would stay jewish and then at the end say “hehehehee nununununuu im not even jewish kyale” and kyle justs stands there with a straight face like he knew it all along
oh dude cartman being like his uncle howard makes a lotta sense because people think that cartman would be able to be some evil super genius, but those people forget that cartman almost always fails because of his ego, impulsiveness, and bad temper getting in the way remember faith+1?
Honestly, Cartman deserved a Good Ending more than Randy, he literally starts the COVID, and might not have done a lot of cruel things like cartman, but i think Randy indeed killed more people than Cartman, and he literally had almost no reason to do it, Cartman most of the time only did cruel stuff when he got pushed too far, or when he really did want something, Randy kill for very pitful reasons. he was easily the most selfish character in South Park, even more than Cartman, so Randy having a good ending, but Cartman not is unfair.
I 💯 agree 👍 .... Randy was a perfect example of narcissistic Boomer parents and the chaos that comes with them. His apology to stand the ends with no you killed our f****** family remember right after admitting to starting the pandemic... I literally shed a tear because that is some s*** my dad would say to me 😟 baby boomers the worst generation in human history wish you'd all eat a dick and die
Well in my opinion Cartman deserves everything that comes to him and remember he jumped over the homeless now he got bad karma and I like the good ending for Kyle, Stan, Kenny, Wendy and butters think about it Cartman turned Heidi Turner into him he manipulated her and Kyle was right Heidi should of stay with kyle, cartman make fun of breast cancer, teams up with Cthulhu, kidnap New kid's parents,give Kyle HIV, keep hippies in his basement, got butters in trouble be little Kyle because of his religion, racist to token, Make fun of Kenny because Kenny was poor, send his friends to oblivion, kills smurfs while dressing as Wendy, fed his dad to his brother Scott tenorman Kyle- he have a family, marries to Heidi Turner I guess Stan- he went to Mars, his mom and sister lived through the pandemic and his romantic relationship with Wendy Testaburger is restored Kenny- he's still a scientist, won a Nobel peace prize Wendy- she's a professor at Harvard and spending New years with Stan and her romantic relationship is restored with Stan Marsh Butters- he's a manager
Cartman may be a horrible person but anyone can change if they try and Cartman tried. It's like if you could say, collect a bunch of terrible people as children and then raise them to be good people as adults. Would they all deserve to then cease to exist and go back to being horrible people and having the same fate? No they don't and neither does Cartman.
i really really love to think about the ‘bad cartman ending’. like we’re talking about a child that has committed unspeakable crimes and has banished his own friends to cthulhu’s dark oblivion but at the same time he really did change to a nice and I suppose sincere, hopeful, caring and responsible… uh just general regular human being, and father, as opposed to the selfish-to-the-point-of-committing-crimes he used to be. so does him converting into a man of faith forgive all his wrongdoings? what really should have been his fate after all? did he deserve to strive as much as his friends (like butters) after he ruined so many parts of their lives? I’m not really sure myself. I do believe he could change but his happy ending is everyone else’s bad ending and idk it’s just philosophical
@@nomenome3244 I mean did he really ever ruin everyone's lives? Like everything that happened in the Bad timeline was their fault like what happened to Cartman in the good timeline was also his fault. He really didn't destroy anyone's lives
@@thegamebusters5413 He tricked a kid into getting his parents killed, proceeded to cook the remains into a chilli, and then fed said kid the chilli. And all of that was over a couple of bucks.
What it also proves is cartman could have always been good.. but it’s Kyle and Stan and south park that made him the way he is. The fact both Stan and Kyle never changed.. showed who the toxic people were
I had a feeling there might be more to it. I think the South Park we’re making 12 specials. We already seen 4. Maybe Cartman wanted them to think he homeless and maybe he might have something up his sleeves or not.
@@lightningsam maybe but it seems as adults they drop the tricks, cartman as an adult genuinely wasn’t messing with kyle at all and that was surprising, so I kinda doubt he is in this future
If this would have happened to be the last piece of media related to South Park ever produced, it would've been a fine ending. That is the highest praise I can give anything.
Wendy Testaberger got Ms. Ellen shot into the sun just because she was irrationally jealous of her. Where's her punishment? All of the boys have done horrible things but I wanted to see all of them reach happiness. But I think the only true message here was that Cartman should not have made any sacrifices for his so-called friends because the only change that made him a successful person was being away from their influence.
Cartman became successful because he was away from his victims therefore he couldnt let his bad traits define him. The dog whisperer episode clearly showed this and how with a bit of discipline eric wouldve been set at life. It wasnt his friends influence that was their problem as friends its was their tolerance to eric that let him doom himself.
Cartman ending up as an alcoholic is frankly the worst thing in this special. There are many ways to show Cartman recieving the punishment he deserves while not ridiculing jim to that extent. Besides, you're telling me CARTMAN would end up homeless? Original timeline Eric'd probably find a way to nuke the town before ending up homeless. I saw a fan ending where Cartman ends up rich, getting all the material wealth he ever wanted, but completely alone and with the boys not taking anymore of his bs, which was so much better. It even gave Eric a slight chance at eventual redemption by leaving his greed behind. This ending basically seals the character's fate as a failure.
How are you gonna blame his abusive and sociopathic behavior on the people he was bullying in the first place? He changed because he was away from the people he could bully.
@@nyxcat3621don’t consider them his “victims” because they’ve shown that they can just stop interacting with him, and they don’t just take his “bullying” they insult him too, they take opportunities to get back at him repeatedly, and they do the same with the other kids. In fact the another comment points out a time when some kid told them no one likes them The entire of South Park is his cradle, created by the sins of the adults who wanted to see a team win a football match He wouldn’t get any serious punishment for anything he did, not to mention all the adults are insidious snakes Ex 1. That time they literally through him under a bus after using him to cause all sorts of trouble And because everyone likes mentioning this one moment The Scott tenorman must die episode The entire plan relied on the bad faith of everyone involved Kyle and Stan would have to actively betray him and want to see his be harmed Scott ternorman used his parents to deactivate a metaphorical bomb made for him The farmer would have to shoot to kill rather than to stop them And lastly Scott tenorman would have to have come to the party to get at cartman to even have eaten the chilly
I'm not gonna lie I kinda laughed at cartman however I did feel terrible as well. Many of my old friends zigged when they should have zagged and wound up dead, homeless, in prison and many were actually brilliant students with a bright future
Dude....thank you for making this, it made me almost cry and overwhelmed with nostalgic emotion reminding me of my innocence when I used to watch South park mixed with the overwhelming reality of the pandemic and how much the future sucks
The ending ruined it for me Cartman deserved better I no he done some fucked up shit but it's south Park that's why we love it because we see fucked up stuff like that it wouldn't be south Park without him and plus Cartman is one of the most ambitious people in show he would not end up homeless
I think it would've been a better suited ending that's still a "bad ending" for him, is that Cartman has all the material goods he ever wanted but bc he was a horrible person to get it no body wanted to be around him and he ends up alone, in mansion full of stuff, with no one to share it with or rub in their face, alone. I agree that Cartman is far too ambitious to let himself go homeless without some real consequences (like burning the whole town down so NO ONE has a home) but would rather go "fuck you stan and Kyle! I'll go be more successful than you'll ever dream about being" and end up ruining his life because people can forgive children for fucked up behavior but as an adult? Not so much. He can do far too much and he is far too petty to allow himself to "be below" anyone else. So tbh the ending almost doesn't make sense even if it is a fitting punishment.
@@chaoscreature4353 I think putting him prison is too dark, because you know his butt would become kingpin of the Aryan Brotherhood or something. It kind of belongs in Breaking Bad and not South Park, unless for a one-off kind of joke.
Since only Cartman's kids and not his wife hate Kyle too it's seems the hatred is inherited genetically. Maybe there is some some long standing mumbo jumbo historical family past that links the two together which is so strong that through all history Cartman's family just being around Kyle's family messes them up completely. If you think about it, since the very first episode Cartman has always been near Kyle and we've never seen them separated. Then the only extended time he is away from him he becomes a much better person but regresses again as soon as he's near him. He hates everything about Kyle (Jewish, Ginger etc.) but is fine with it as soon as he's free from Kyle. Kyle is the true villain of South Park :O
So Cartman basically hates Kyle for existing? 😂 that’s funny tbh. I really wish Cartman got the help but when he got it , he wouldn’t comply to it. As we’ve seen so many times that his mom would try and it never works
i would love a romeo and juliet type episode where they go back 500 years and there's a feud between their two families. they could have them like, reading a book they found in Kyles attic. All the main characters in the past would just be the boys, but in differnet outfits. it'd be cool. i love the idea that it's just a hereditary thing.
The cartman arc is so good in these specials. It's hilarious but also deeply saddening that the only good timeline for Cartman is the worst timeline for everyone else. Of course he only changes if everything sucks for everyone else. So well written, and the payoff, although really depressing, was really well executed.
I saw these episode when I was on mdma and man Cartman has been my favorite character since I was a kid , and seeing that ending in mdma it make me cry a lot
Cartman really deserve a better ending, he has totally changed and did good things. It was sad to see him lose his family and all things he worked for.
It’s a different timeline there’s infinite timelines where there are infinite possibilities about what his life could’ve been. He got the ending he deserved in the current one
This version of Cartman is probably my absolute favorite. I'm a guy that likes Redemption stories and family man. So it really did resonate with me and I enjoy the fact it wasn't a lame twist where it was like it was all to get back at Kyle that would have been lame. I like how it was a Twist where he actually really cared. And it makes it all the more shatter his actual ending in this special. Him not having his happy family that he wanted.
These events clearly show that the friendship between the boys is toxic for Cartman. Without it he has a great life, but with it he becomes a homeless. I just don't understand why. Why is this friendship so toxic for him ? I thought that all this time he was the one who was supposed to be toxic. (sorry if my english is bad)
I am new South Park, but I think it's because they constantly reinforced his behavior by giving him negative attention, which he craved, while at the same time is holding any genuine affection, which he also craved. Also Southpark let all of his bad Deeds go unchecked, when outside of South Park there probably would have been consequences in the form of juvie or something. Once he left South Park and had to assimilate into regular Society, he probably wanted to benefit it because he was finally able to see the link between the way he treated others and his own well-being
@@Fairygoblet I think you're right. And I've just remembered that in the firsts seasons Cartman sometimes showed real affection towards the boys but they never reciprocated it, so he just stopped doing that.
@@Fairygoblet Cartman did go to juvie twice for his actions. The first time when he assaulted Token in Season 4 Episode 2 "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000"; and in Seasons 7 Episode 11 "Casa Bonita" for basically kidnapping Butters. So the town/city has held Cartman responsible for his actions in the past. They just didn't deter him from his path.
@@Turkeysocks deterring probably would have been the most important thing. I guess you can't just live in juvie. I doubt South Park has good government funding for those kinds of programs anyway
“You can’t change who you are, but you can change how you react”. That statement is so powerful. I know it’s kind of dramatic to say, but that was deep. 😂
It honestly made me sad of what they did with Clyde, yes he had nothing going for him and didn’t have enough screen time as the other kids in his friend group, but he had potential, just like tweek did in season 18 or whatever it was. What I mean by that is some background characters with nothing going for them doesn’t mean you should kill them off. I think what they should have done is killed off somebody else, not one of the main 10 main boys because that would have been weird
Personally, I found the bait and switch Cartman ending kind of funny. Matt and Trey knew people would react to it after seeing what he could have been and they never miss an opportunity to do some trolling.
This has to be one of my favorite South Park episode, it really goes in depth into the characters backstory and personality truly and reflect on past episodes
I really thought that cartman trolling kyle is the only reason that could work. I was worried that any other twist would ruin him as a character or was just too lame. But it just shows how talented matt and trey are. I'm really excited what they want to do next. I don't think they'll add to the whole time travel story since it feels finished. But just staying in the new timeline also feels weird because cartman being homeless and stan colonizing mars seems kinda over-the-top and boring. Overall the covid stuff seems done (in south park) so maybe they go back to simpler times? Guess we have to wait... excitement and worry, as always when something is great and gets "sequels" :D Happy holidays everyone btw. ^^
I agree! I believe the creators will not continue the show based in the future, because this is the true ending to South Park. However, you do have a point. They really could if they wanted to...Having the kids all grown up as their next series?...That sounds like a GREAT idea. I have no clue what kind of fascinating ideas they'll come up with in with soon. But, I know one thing....Matt and Trey still makes these episodes/movies with heart! I have no doubt in the world they'll want their show to grow stale. Let's find out what happens! :D
@@foxwitdaglox "I have no doubt in the world they'll want their show to grow stale." I think you mean the opposite... or it's just grammar that isn't common? I'm not a native speaker. "Having the kids all grown up as their next series?" That works well for post covid... but aside from the pandemic i'm kinda worried about the idea... especially with the stan and cartman thing at the end. ... i make it your responsibility to wait faster.
I’m LOVING your South Park vids, and I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who teared up a bit when seeing the new future You got a new sub!!! Keep up the great work :)
With all of the despicable and vile (yet hilarious) things Cartman has done to people throughout the series it’s hard to feel sorry for him during this ending
Amazing analysis/review, I couldn't have put it better myself. It was such a rollercoaster of humor and emotions throughout the spec- "exclusive event" and is personally, one of my favorite episodes so far. (And extremely glad that you got your channel back in order!) Happy Holidays!
I still feel like Cartman, even in his perfect, "Good" future, never changed that much, considering that his first instinct after learning about the time travel is to; A. manipulate an idiot (Clyde); B. pressure a person he caused incredible mental damage to into helping him through threats of violence (Butters); and C. then attempt to murder a child because he still blames him for anything going wrong in his life (Kyle). Regardless of the specific plot or scheme he's doing, Cartman always has the exact same end goal in mind: Screw everyone else, I'll do whatever I want that makes me happy in the moment. And yes, in an alternate future, he decided that being a husband and father was what would make him happy, but his core personality didn't change that much, as evidenced by his actions. It's only when his wife tells him not to do it, and he realizes he's basically going to lose his family and therefore his happiness either way, that he concedes to the plan. I agree the ending is a little bittersweet, because we know that he could have had that life he wanted anyway, but in the end he's always been his own worst enemy. There was nothing stopping him from taking those same steps again in the new timeline, but he couldn't let go of his own hatred and self-destructive tendencies.
This was such an amazing episode. Loved watching South Park as a kid when my parents were at work, as an adult now I can understand the complex themes and humor behind the show. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are geniuses.
What this episode shows that everyone overlooks is it reminds people that cartman, like many "bad" people, are just a little help from being good. Cartman changed because someone gave him a chance. And he was punished for doing the right thing for people who never did. Now cartman may be objectively evil but his personality and the arc it follows rings true to most people that lash out. Cartman doesnt deserve the bad future cuz of what he did when he was 8 he deserved the good future because of what he did when he was old enough to learn and grow. Kyle didnt learn and grow. His happy future came at the expense of his friend who he held a grudge against since childhood and who he prevented from growing and learning from his past.
that was not fair what they did to Cartmen... especially as it is revealed that Kyle brings out all of his worst traits, and that given a life apart from his "friends" he redeems himself of all of his toxic behaviors and even embraces the religion that he was hateful towards, becoming a leader and paragon of goodness. People in this day and age are judged too harshly for the sins of their youth, and if someone can truly change as Cartman did, they should be forgiven... not punished.
So true, my parents told me stories all the time of their "Adventures", it shows growth to look back and say "Wow, i was a moronic asshole". But the guy did make a kid eat his parents... i'm pretty sure that excludes anybody from redemption in any capacity. Except he did throw away his perfect family life for the world at large in possibly the most redeemable act ever... Net Net?
That wasnt the fucking point of the message. The dog whisperer episode shows that eric cartman becomes who he is when there are people he can victimize. He didnt redeem himself, he just couldnt define himself by his bad traits because he was away from his victims. Arguably the biggest mistake his friends were making was being tolerant of him. Its so fucking weird that people are somehow defending the sociopathic asshole and blaming the victim for simply existing???
@@poggers4392 i member cthulhu! it was a team up just like superman and lex luther for the common good... and popping Justin Bieber like a berry and blasting hippies at Burning Man were acts of public service. yes he had a nature of terrorizing and victimizing...and readily reverted to manipulative nature the moment his mom started enabling him again. but in the dog training episode he also had a moral crisis before killing his mom, that showed he was starting to be considerate of other people. But it was just a kernel sprouting a tiny bud... people cant change overnight, and his mother...like his friends by tolerating it... went back to fostering a spoiled, self centered brat. No one is saying he wasnt a monster as a child... but the episode showed what would have happened if the same positive change was not killed in the bud a day after sprouting, but allowed to grow for forty years. eric was, like other sociopaths, a product of environment which did not teach him empathy. But removed of bad influences, with a patient partner who taught him love and consideration. he genuinely changed. I guess its a question of whether of not you believe people are capable of change, and whether people deserve a second chance if not outright forgiveness, once they have atoned and grown/matured and gained a capacity for a moral compass. I believe that people can change, and in particular I think that growing up bestows a great deal of considerateness on people who as children were total self-centered callous dicks. this country has a punitive mindset.