Southeast Asia CRUSHES Western Hegemony | J. Pang & N. Kumada 

The 1997 Asian Financial Crisis where IMF 'forced' economic changes ahead of sovereignty in Indonesia, Thailand, South Korea and others still ring in our ears.

We Vietnamese nod enthusiastically and chuckle secretly when we listen to western people telling us what we should do with China, as if we hadn't lived next to them for over 2 milliennia and had relations in all imaginable ways with them already, ha!

How do American politians change a light bulb. They hold the bulb and wait for the world to turn around them.🤣

Europe thinking it is an American thinking.... Europe is under the thumb of America!

Indonesia remember 97 98 crisis, we will never forget west. Also the hypocrite of west on Gaza situation

Before watching this interview I saw a short video with a guy and a girl. "He asks: - Where are you from? - I'm from Texas. - replies the girl. - Can you tell me the names of 5 European countries? After thinking for a few seconds, the girl says. - Australia. - Some more? The girl thinks and responds. -That's all I got." Interviewees here made interesting comments about the ineffectiveness of the ridiculous discourse that Europeans and Americans use in southwest China to try to co-opt Asians. But we must remember that this same discourse is very efficient when used in Australia, a paradoxically non-Asian country in Asia. It's easy to laugh watching the video I mentioned at the beginning. But the truth is that that poor, ignorant girl from Texas is a victim of the American disinformation system. Australians are also victims of a similar disinformation system. Australia is located in Asia and harbors immense distrust, envy and aggression towards China and its partners in the region. The Australians bought Anglo/American nuclear submarines because according to them the country is afraid of being invaded by the Chinese. And yet for thousands of years China never showed any interest in colonizing Australia, it was the English who did this by transforming that island continent into a prison and enslaving the local native peoples.

Definitely NO to NATO!!

Its so unreal colonoalism is real. So our education lied about lots of things. Today, we can see actual disgusting parts of colonialism because of social media, especially in africa.

I'm glad ASEAN never allowed itself to be pressured to change and become the EU. We are a different concept and time will show the different values it enables vs an EU-style organisation. Yes, it isn't able to do some things as well, but Eurocentrics only see that part rather than also the part where it can on the other hand, accomplish or be immune to entirely different things. Perhaps each type is suited to each region, as we organise according to the risks we perceive as the priority. Edit: I agree with John that decolonisation isn't done until our countries can restore the ways that we once related to one another before colonisation (except maybe Singapore, which arguably does not need this part), because those were sovereign decisions which were rooted in the logic and worldview of our own cultures. I'll give an example: in pre-colonial times, even though the region had wars just like any other in medieval periods, diplomatic relations between trading nations were fairly equal. Equal as in, even a country as large as China might marry their princesses to a Southeast Asian royal to seal a diplomatic relationship. However, when the Europeans came in to "trade", not a single one of them would have considered it as anything but beneath them to marry their royals to ours. And many of us have internalised that inferiority complex through the centuries of colonisation. Now, of course we're no longer in an era where we have to cement diplomatic relations with monarchic marriages anymore, and nobody is interested in reviving that, but recovering the worldview where we hold ourselves and our cultures as inherently equal to other nation-cultures, is part of finishing the decolonisation process. Edit 2: I think you can understand ASEAN's actions better if your culture is also comprised of the 'extended family'.

The ASEAN block are a UNIQUE group of nations with a population 600 million and a combined GDP 2024 of 3.7 Trillion. Economically a robust group located in SE Asia, a unique blend of neutrality, trade with China / worldwide posing no threat to any external powees yet peaceful and forward looking to contribute. The world should let them prosper. Politically stable, economically progressive and consensually focused. A Microcosm of its own unique blend of the future.

The good thing is that the Empire USA is falling. The main reason is, the US forgott to invest in the economy, education, puplic tranportation, infrstructure., then they infest only in the Army and NATO. The downfall of the US is unstopable.. With the downfall of the USA also the NATO and the EU will falling.

ASEAN is the most successful group in the whole world Check with professor Mr Kishore Mubani

ASEAN represents Southeast Asia countries wisdom, intelligence, pragmatism. How they interact with each other to resolve problems, or mitigate issues from further escalations. There will always be issues. There is no need for colonialists & imperialists to be the police, and dictating the rules and how ASEAN should behave. Only through diplomacy, conversation, discussion to help resolve and/or mitigate problems.

Thank you so much for inviting Pr Pang and Kumada 先生. I had a great time enjoying their knowledge and pedagogy .I have myself been dealing and living in Asia and Asia pacific for decades and I am never tired of discovering true professional scholars in geopolitics in Asia .

Here's my analogies of the different nations.... 1. USA - Bully in a shrinking playground 2. China - The wise elder biding its time 3. EU - Family members prone to inbreeding and infighting 4. African countries - Still to be categorized 5. ASEAN - Good neighbors. Do not always agree but will work out the issues. 6. South America - Past victims of the bully. 7. Oceania - Can't decide if it wants to side with the West or East.

So glad we're getting more voices from ASEAN finally. I've been waiting for this for years, because I knew how important this region is for the emerging multipolar world. Thank you for bringing on Mr & Mrs Pang, they represent how connected East and SE Asia is, both historically and today. 👍

This is so fascinating to hear, being here in NZ where it is still fully colonized as is Australia. So hope we can all stand up against the "western" powers. I am caucasian however i stand for the rights of indigenous of each country and the unfair practises that they have suffered

It's really nice to hear SEA voices for once tho we prefer to be ignored and underrated in general 🤣

last year a german "diplomat" went to Namibia and complained to Namibian minister about the presence of too many chinese people in namibia!

Minute 9:45 Dr. Kumada is right. Cambodia and Laos were bombed extensively by the US in its UNDECLARED wars against them, as a side show of the big power war in Vietnam. Indeed, these nations were destroyed during OTHER PEOPLE'S WAR. Good insight.

Fantastic discussion and cool choice of guests. Was interesting to hear the manner in which the fabric of relationships and culture was built over centuries. The recovery of mutual cooperation and overcoming Colonialism over the past decade - was thought provoking. Thanks Pascal for posting this!! I am baffled how you manage to choose such a diverse and intellectual powerhouses- in these posts. Wish just 1/10th of this quality and diversity of folks were featured in our press and think tanks here in the US. But I guess we have been fed with such freak shows by western media over the past 3 decades - it would be unthinkable to comprehend another perspective by our editors, directors and most viewers.

Fascinating. Wonderful. A new topic. Learning a lot. Merci Pascal

Look at how EU treats Hungary's oban and compare that with how asean members treat each other, John really summed it up perfectly

IMF told us Indonesian to stop building our own plane design. With those loan as hostage. We must did it to survive. As a technological Institute, that's a slap on my face that I cant ever forget.

⚠️ the End of Free Lunch for Westerners ⚠️

Observation…ASEAN’s patience with its members seems to recognize the “everlasting” of culture, while acknowledging the more transient struggles we all have with the current situations. All changes bring stresses. The major stresses for individuals are usually due to, loss of income, loss of a loved one, or changing one’s location etc. However, as time passes, we return to our normal way of dealing with our relationships. This is a very mature approach to life in general.

Australia hasn't been close to neutral to our Asian neighbours since 1996. Such a wasted chance to make friends and community among the nearby nations.

Thank you Dr Lottaz. 🕊 What a pleasure to hear from your estimed guests John Pang and Naoko Kumada. I hope that ASEAN continues to be a focus for future neutrality studies programs. I would be grateful to lean more from your guests about Myanmar and West Papua,.

Von Leyen is ridiculous. Brussel is ridiculous, it makes so many peoples sad. Even in Europe.

Thailand used to be called the Coup Capital of the world because of the near-constant coups it was experiencing, mostly due to the imperialistic influence of certain western countries. The Philippines is a prime example that colonialism still clings on to power in Southeast Asia. The US will not abandon its Borgian objectives in Southeast Asia quietly. In fact, the Philippines is where the US perfected its colonialist policy under the guise of "benevolence". People still remember that it was President McKinley who formulated the US "Benevolent Assimilation" policy of assimilating everyone into the American culture, political structure and even language.

Japan (south Korean and Filippinos included ) now seen as more of American puppy dogs rather than Asian powers . We Asian feel ashamed of it,

Wow ,, i learn a lot from this video . Specifically from Mr John Pang. He articulate , very excellently, the spirit and essence of ASEAN .

So good to hear we are on the same wave-length. USA is like a teenager who is still growing up. The Brits have always thought they are superior (the upper crust).

Alhamdulillah, John mentioned why we Malaysian accepting or leaning towards more to China. It is sad to see if our ASEAN is divided into 2, you know which countries that disagreed with the rest.

EU wants ASEAN to be like them, US stooges and battering ram against US enemies🤣🤣🤣

After WWII, US realise its beneficial to help other countries post war redevelopment and able to influence the politic in this countries. Soon US have foot print in almost every chaos in the world but there are never any military confrontation with a developed countries with a relatively advance military power. Even thou US involved in most war but never win any. As for South China Sea chaos, from historical US carrier fleet on the term of freedom of navigation will be sail through Strait of Taiwan to showcase their naval power to pressure China but now with China development of naval power strong enough to go against US. China drawn the sea border to keep the US out and in check with their long range aircraft carrier killer missile. Any Western involvement will not benefit ASEAN. Its mainly for their self interest or agenda. Hungry and Slovakia are never really treated as part of EU, while Serbia and Turkey application into EU are always lips service only.

excellent episode and very interesting. Keep up the great work. The world is changing. We need someone to tell the truth!

Minute 23: 17 Dr. Pang The mind set of ASEAN is different from the EU mindset. ASEAN does not need to apologize for not being an EU copycat.

Southeast is leading the world to a new era of humanity evolution ! Where not only in technology, science and innovation but in the new philosophy of the growth of human conscious !

Asia, Southeast Asia in particular, is always a territory of peace until western colonizer moved in starting 16th century when China took the world center stance, and a strong and peace-loving China will continue to play a vital role to make peace as desirable as possible after China rise up again. I also believe ASEAN can be seem as a role model to the rest of world where “multipolarity” is a doable and salutary path forward thru peaceful co-existence first and become co-prosperous afterwards. The bottom line is we must learn from history that “conflict and bloodshed only happened as a result of failed diplomacy”, and rule #1 of diplomacy is “talk” to your adversary and #2 seeking acceptable compromise after understanding what your adversary’s concern.

ASEAN essentially is a economic entity. Yes, over the decades, it evolves with some political integration in terms of political views. Yet, it never and should not aspire to be EU where it overrides national or local governments, breaching democratic principles. These EU Parliament who were not elected by the people of the countries of EU, yet their decisions are binding on member countries, robbing them of their national sovereignty. ASEAN does not interfere with the domestic politics and development of member countries.

Such excellent guests! I look forward to the continuation of this discussion. Thank you Pascal.

US wanted to make a fool out of China. But instead, the US made a fool of itself. Let that be a lesson.

thank you so much John, Naoko and Pascal. I've been fed with delicious insights and informatiion. Love your perspectives and analysis. Greetings from Thailand.

Thank you for having on John and Naoko. Asean is rising.

Minute 24:17 onwards Dr. Pang explains the different mind set of ASEAN and the EU There is no need to apologize for NOT being the EU

Thank you Mr. Pang. Thank you Ms. Kumada. Thank you Pascal (Professor Lottaz). Your channel, your guests, your conduct, your knowledge deepen, broaden, fortify my knowledge, understanding, perspective world view. Best wishes. 🌞🖖🏼✌🏼

Interesting that you should mention the conflicts in East Timor and West Papua. There is a discussion to be had about Indonesia being a regional empire, holding onto places post - colonialism, despite them having claims to independence.

Thanks Pascal, Naoko and John for a great and enlightening discussion. I recall Karmala Harris' recent trip to convince the Vietnamese that they should take a more aggressive stance to China, you could literally see all of the Vietnamese officials biting their lips to keep themselves from laughing in her face. Why the hell would Vietnam want to pick a fight with their nearest neighbour of 1.3 billion people, and their most important trade partner. I think to try seal the deal the US offered them a few tens of millions of dollars in aid, which just seemed like an insult. As I was listening to your program I was sitting in Battambang, Cambodia, writing a research report on sustainable agriculture in ASEAN countries. The main point where I would disagree with your analysis is that whilst SE Asian countries are really starting to put the political beast of colonialism in its grave, economic colonialism is still quite strong, particularly in the plantations and mining sectors, but you know, the national governments also lean into these sectors for the foreign exchange, whilst throwing their own people and environment under the bus of bad terms of trade and externalization of production costs.

I think and would say that it was the Indochina Wars and the Indonesian Wars. Those didn't end until late 90s/early 2Ks. So there's still reconciliation coming around. With the Phillipines still being a quasi-colony of the US. The region is still in the decolonizing process. That said, ASEAN is much farther ahead than Africa is.

Simply, there is a lot of people in Southeast Asia who are multilingual, particularly in Malaysia and Singapore, where, if they are inquisitive and would like to seek information and perspectives, they are equipped to read not only the Anglo-Saxon media, but also the the Chinese language, Bahasa and also Hindi/Tamil, which helps them weave through what's impartial and what's agenda-driven, if they actually try.

ASEAN doesn’t include Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. It could be because culturally Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are more a part of subcontinent than ASEAN.

Having a Lottaz thoughtfulness and understanding of the world naturally earns your channel a lottaz fans!🌏

Greetings from Australia

This is very interesting to me. Im a westerner whos been living in South East Asia for many years and marveling how Asia (especially China) has been moving boldly into the future, while the west clings on to the old ways and old beliefs. I think maybe the desparate attempts to paint China as backwards and dangerous is just the wests way to avoid moving forward themselves. I love Asia!

The best stand against western hegemony was done by late Singapore founder and he said Singapore can never become a Christian country with their values because there is something special and beautiful about values from ancient Chinese and Indian culture. That sums up where Asia and Asean should stand for.

Some how I feel like the guest speakers are mocking Philippines for being the stupid ones in Asean.

Except for Singapore (with a US base) and the Phillipines (having military affiliation with the US), other ASEAN countries opt for China.

Hmm.... I question the non-alignment of Philippines, especially since it is one of the original signatories to the ASEAN pact. Also before the military took over, Myanmar was drifting towards the West with many instigators working within its borders. I witness their handiwork with the democratic government and the officials.

Really brilliant discussion! Please bring these two on again to talk about SE Asia, ASEAN and BRICS.

Nice article However, to be exact, China crushed western hegemony. Now countries from all continents have options not be subjected to western oppression especially US

Loved the interview! Everyone is obviously intelligence and know what they are talking about. There's no groundless random claims/statements about this and that. Everything was followed up with history, factual information. There are so much histories and knowledge to learn from listening to John and Naoko speak.

ASEAN has for the past 57 yrs shown to the whole what it means to live harmoniously peacefully as neighbors in the region, helping each other in trade & economic development for peace & prosperity together while respecting each other’s sovereignty and NOT to interfere with each other’s internal domestic matters. Differences if any are mutually discussed and settled amicably & pragmatically. Peace no war.

John should let Naoko finish her point before adding his point.He is going to get it later back home😂

Except the Philippines, ASEAN countries are maintaining their neutrality towards China and the U.S. Many ASEAN countries see more threats from the US than from China. As Ms. Kumada said, China has been doing trades with ASEAN countries for more than 1500 years already. Throughout these long lasting trading relationships with ASEAN, China has never invaded any of these countries even though China was so much stronger economically and militarily.

I fully agree that global colonialism is finally coming to an end. Most global South countries are regaining back real sovereignty and independence. Western influence will remain but can no longer direct or subvert politically with the exception of some who will also continue to pay the high price.

Interesting to learn how ASEAN has dealt with Myanmar. Especially after seeing how the EU is treating Hungary. RESPECT for diversity is the key word.

ASEAN largest trading partner is China. Nothing else to say

ASEAN NOT SYRIA, PHILIPPINES NOT ASEAN. Marcos betrayed the regional brotherhood by reintroducing the stench of colonialists back into the region. Really hope that the amnesia inregards to the MORO struggles and all the efforts made by Philippines neighbours to get a peaceful settlements are revisited as too with awareness on all those endeavours in keeping Al Qaeda & IS obsolete in the region by the ASEAN community as a whole. I am no mens slave...Periyar ❤

I came across your channel yesterday and was impressed with the content. It's so good to see our young folks waking up to this Tyranny and standing up. I am very proud of you. Subscribed.

SE Asia learn from their history. It’s always the west that made a big mess in their region and all other’s regions in the world. Why would you trust them 😂

Southeast Asia is countries in a circle....not easy to have direct conflict....

If it were my wife and I speaking together publically, I'd yield my time for her to speak first, to reap the "rewards" later heh

Please can you tell me where the Philippines sits vis-a-vis ASEAN now that it has sold its soul once again to its old colonisers 🤔

Mrs Kumada's topic of research is fascinating. Let's have a deep dive on this?

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Regarding wars in asean panelists forgot to mention the Japanese invasion and atrocities in Asean countries. How can this so-called experts forgot about this.

thank you very much to neutrality studies for your work, for your studies, for helping us to understand the historical reality free of rhetoric and propaganda, necessary foundations for the construction of a more educated and more aware society

Some say that Asian crisis was teallynUS economic attack vs. potentially truly independent économies.

Why not Bangladesh? Why not Sri Lanka? Because ASEAN was Asia centric, as the name implies. The member countries all face the Pacific. Adding the sub continent to Asia, and calling the whole area Indo Pacific, is a purely American invention, to bring India in to counter China. Frankly, if one accepts the Indo Pacific concept, one might as well add the Persian Gulf and beyond…

If only China is a good neighbour, why would the Philippines need to approached USA for security. Respect UNCLOS China!

Indonesia's first president, Sukarno, together with Jawaral Nehru from India, were the initiators who had the foresight to rise from colonialism, peace and poverty in Asian and African countries at that time so they created theNon-Aligned Movement. But there are still many countries in Asia that still do not understand the good intentions of this aims until now like Malaysia.

As can be expected WUMAO are literally flooding the comment section 🤢

Good point! I never realize the first debt trap to my country is not by Chinese but IMF.

Philippines almost broke off it's chain until Marcos jr came along, offering the coubtry as a canon fodder for their former colonial master

To be fair, colonialism still exists in Southeast Asia in a subliminal way. Especially in the Philippines. 😊

The 'expert' discussion came off extremely biased. Yes most ASEAN regions suffered from the West for decades and is pivoting towards China, but they should see Myanmar as a warning sign. The West never really got to fully exploit Myanmar like China had been since the 90s. First off, China ,not just the West, has been practising neocolonialism in SEA with their extractionist policies especially obvious in Myanmar. Historically, China also invaded Myanmar 3 times in the 1700s without success. Chinese foreign policy towards Myanmar is blatantly extractionist to the point that most people from both left and right political spectrums see China as the big bully instead of the West. And to ASEAN, most seem disappointed. While the military supporters anger at ASEAN for not recognising the legitimacy of the junta, most people are disappointed at ASEAN for not intervening enough. It's obvious the military leadership won't give into ASEAN peace demands and endless meetings won't solve the crises. But the 'non-interventionist' policy of ASEAN effectively blocks any meaningful action to take place at all. ASEAN is treating Myanmar like how the West is treating Isreal. Both talks about peace and togetherness while ignoring warcrimes and unwilling to enforce meaningful action. ASEAN is not free of hypocrisy.

Thank you! I did not understand ASEAN before this dialogue.

Thank you, fascinating and enlightening. I simply had no idea, I do now - at least a bit.

Not the Philippines.

Hi Pascal, have a chat to Jerry Grey about the South China sea - or just watch his brief but succinct video for some background on the dispute and who is really the bully.

Very enlightening by the two respectable guest based on history and facts. Thank you.

Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. have played the delicate balancing act of maintaining relationship with the West (US led) & China (+Russia) since at least 50 years ago. We are not beginners. 😂😂😂 We attracted significant investment from both sides, continously for a few decades already. Japan is the third important actor, specifically for manufacturing transfactories invesment & economical aid. We are part of the fast growing APAC region.

Sri Lanka and Bangla Desh are historically and culturally India . . .you surely mist see the difference

It's just so wonderful, Learning at RU-vid University 🥰 I've gained so much Knowledge and Wisdom by finding so many Excellent Channels and Guests who communicate like Real people. Thank You.

Can't we all just get along? Economic, political, and military neutrality needs to become a world standard for all nations. Neutrality Principles need to be clearly defined and widely promoted. Moreover, embracing the NON PARTISAN, (what's good for society as a wholel vis-a-vis the partisan "winner take all," approach is key to achieving peace and prosperity for all.

This is the time and the place for the people of the world to unite and defeat western hegemony which has trampled upon the world for too long.

For anyone that is not particularly familiar with ASEAN I can recommend the following book. “The Asean Miracle” by Kishore Mahbubani dated 8 March 2017.

I like these neutral but variable/conversations on taboo independance and variability reflecting European energy variability moves in response to Russia.the east is going forwards whilst the west seem's to be going backwards in many way's,which must be discussed if the whole world can continue to look forward to a fair future regardless of super consolidated wealthy individual's drawing up there own future's in the guise of everyone's

Thank you for the rich content and context to International relations in relation to Asia. Hope Brics incorporates other smaller Asian countries from ASEAN to work with Africa. We have similar histories and understanding of effects of colonialism to our countries. A new progressive global order can help develop our continents further. Thank you Dr Lottaz, Dr Pang and Dr Kumada ... keep up the amazing work.