Spanish Littorio-class Battleship - Ambitious 'What if' Plans

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The Spanish Navy of the 20th Century was a shadow of what it once was. Efforts were made, here and there, to try and fix this apparent 'problem'. Some of these were successful, such as the cruisers. Some of these were...rather less useful.
The somewhat harebrained idea to try building four Littorio-class battleships certainly falls in the latter category. As interesting as they may be from a model maker perspective, or an alternate history writer viewpoint, these were something Spain could ill-afford.
It should be little surprise they weren't built.

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@BHuang92 Год назад

Its interesting how the Littorio design was studied by a couple of navies other than the Spanish. The Dutch was considering the protection scheme but was denied while the Soviets were given an enhanced design into the Sovetsky Soyyuz class.

@tyranusfan Год назад

I imagine by the late forties they might have ditched the catapults for a helicopter pad. Might have gotten new AA weapons, as well as radar.

@diegoferreiro9478 Год назад

Not only the Littorios, these post war Spanish fleet expansion programs relied also on Italian cruiser designs mixed with own indigenous designs that still retained some 'English flavour', like the proposed 'Super Washington' cruiser (basically an enlarged Canarias with triple turrets).

@louisr6560 Год назад

Hi, just stumbled on your channel and really enjoying the content! Could you do something on the history of submerged torpedo tubes on capital ships? Although ill-faited, I find the concept fascinating but there is so little content about it specifically, it is only ever mentioned in passing and nearly never elaborated upon.

@kenhaze5230 Год назад

Great vid as usual. Just a thought, you could put native translations of names and terms on screen when saying the English. Given your subject matter expertise there's obviously plenty of times foreign words come up.

@jotabe1984 Год назад

Littorio design seems like very popular, on the other hand, Italy seemed like really interested in getting international funds from their design, despite the potential drawback this would ment for the secrecy of their design and it's flaws

@karuskaltugov1992 11 месяцев назад

can I have the sources for this info? I would like to go on a deeper dive

@legiran9564 Год назад

Still waiting on a premium of this ship in World of Warships.

@alephalon7849 Год назад

Spanish Littorios would have been an interesting, if impractical, sight. Maybe Spain could have gotten Vittorio Veneto or Italia from the Allies for the right, steep price i.e. military bases. The Spanish might not be able to afford running a battleship all the time (see Turkey and Yavuz, UK and Vanguard, or France and the Richelius), but at least they would have local docks that could fit it for repairs. Admittedly very unlikely, but interesting to consider.

@puppetguy8726 5 месяцев назад

Spain using the flawed pugliese system for torpedo protection makes sense, Spain wouldn't have had any knowledge of such systems so they had no other options.

@bkjeong4302 Год назад

Spanish Littorios….WTF?! Also, Axis & Neutral Battleships gets a LOT wrong regards to the Littorios; it’s only relatively recently that good analysis of these ships was published.

@skyneahistory2306 Год назад

To be fair, that’s the Italian navy in general. Up until this decade, really, it’s only had good Italian-language sources. English sources were thin on the ground, O’Hara excepted. That said, I don’t see a reason to doubt the *existence* of this concept. It’s classic ‘early-mid 20th century’ to want battleships you can’t afford, and the Italians were keen to shop their designs around. I haven’t seen any source disputing the existence of these plans. Or the Spanish desire for them. (The good Littorio book doesn’t bring them up at all, if I remember right, but it also doesn’t bring up UP-41 or the way it led into Soviet design, that I remember) In any case, there’s a reason I made clear that the details are speculative and that I find a lot of the supposed modifications…unlikely at best.

@RedXlV Год назад

@@skyneahistory2306 Italy was also clearly keen on exporting warships (either just designs, or when shipyards had capacity to spare, building them in Italy for foreign customers). Hence there being quite a few export cruiser designs drawn up for Spain, Romania, and the USSR. And of course the UP-41 battleship design for the USSR. It makes perfect sense that they'd offer the Littorio design to Spain.