Just A mix of the Spartan III augs with A A few of the IIs ............... the problem is those augs would IIRC need to be done to teenagers. Get passed the "Not an Adult Capable of Informed Consent" issue and I think nearly all of us would take the III's set.
It amuses me that all the Spartan augmentation procedures ultimately amount to is enhancing the skeletal system to withstand the force of Mjolnir's actuation and everything else is just there to supplement that.
Well, yes on the skeletal system, but more important was the nervous system update to give 300% response time, and I'd argue everything else is meant to augment to that standard of reaction time and the forces exerted therin.
@dutch_asocialite the entire reason for the augmentation is to enable a human use the Mjolnir armor without completely destroying his/her skeleton. In a test, an unaugmented person tried to move his arm while wearing the armor. The armor moved with such speed and force it broke the arm. The poor soldier spasmed from pain and the suit augmented that, breaking more bone. This continued until the soldier stopped existing.
According to the Spartan Field Manual. A Spartan IVs Skeleton are subjected to the following procedures: - Bone Lengthening - Ligament Reconstruction - Joint Reinforcement - Skeletal Fullerene Lattice - Titanium A and Composite Sheathing Reinforcement Source: Halo Official Spartan Field Manual page 26 - 27
Having lightly ballistically armored bones that are nearly impossible to break is something that most super-soldier like efforts being done in black projects being undertaken today would love to give to their subjects
At the end of the augmentation series I'd love a video going over what augmentations could theoretically be combined into one person. For example in this video it seems like 2's and 3's would have no real major issues being combined and have a much greater overall effect. The only thing is maybe 2 and 4 may clash but I don't have a great enough understanding to know. But a video going over all the combinable augments with theory on the effect in comparison to make the ultimate spartan.
Just a minor correction, multiple spartan IIs had cracked/broken bones in the fall of reach, and Fred 104 had his arm broken by an excavation vehicle in Retribution, still they survived what would most definitely be lethal falls/injuries for anyone who isnt a spartan.
If memory serves me correct, at least one Red Team Spartan suffered a broken leg following the freefall. I'd have to go back through the start of the book again, but I'm pretty sure at least one Spartan II suffered breaks.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 yeah doubt they were named, but they could man a machine gun nest so they were still combat operational. Broken bones are rare, but effectively doing an orbital drop with nothing but your armor? Yeah even near unbreakable bones might sheer under that duress lol
@@Skumm93 Yeah. Continuing to fight after all that truly is one of the big feats the Spartan IIs achieved. They might not have the sheer tolerance and tenacity of Gamma Company Spartans, but they certainly have the willpower to keep going.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 the Spartan 3s have pain suppression that is way more aggressive then the Spartan 2s we literally see carter shot in the chest with a elite fighter jet eyes and ears bleeding and was still operating the pelican without losing focus we literally see Emile get stabbed threw the god damn chest with a energy sword some how had enough strength to come back around and flip the big ass elite off the balcony like it was nothing and there pain suppression augmention was nothing compared to gamma company as they can literally operate while getting there bones crushed and chest blown out by a needler round and still be in operation control while taking that much damage in spi armour
@@NovoCognition well we use titanium for implants in the human body commonly already because it's hard, strong and non-reactive inside the body, eg. it doesn't corrode. I'd assume it's not super heavy either. Are there any other metals/alloys that work as well for implanting in the body? I'm sure there must be at least a couple
@@CryptidRenfri ; Stainless steel, Tantalum, Cobalt, Chromium, Zirconium, Nickel-Titanium. While not a metal or alloy, various allotropes and polymers of carbon are also utilized.
The only drawback being that you’re weaker to begin with while you acclimatise to your augmentations. But once you reach adulthood the difference between the two classes are negligible compared to the average S-II which is a pretty good trade off for sure.
@@Snail_IV Yeah but there are only a handful of those two companies still around, Spartan-II's are on average larger and stronger than III's after augmentation but as always experience counts the most.
@@seawind930 I don’t disagree with that at all my point is there’s next to no difference once they’ve fully developed. That’s why you have 3’s like noble and the headhunters who are stated to be on par with the 2’s. not to mention the fact that Noble 6 is the only other hyper lethal Spartan to ever exist alongside Chief meaning he’s outperformed majority of the 2’s. Sure experience counts but I’d argue results count for more.
I still remember the study on this when it first came out using sea plants and for its internal structure when converted to carbon and was tested on a rabbit hip bone the engineers were surprised at how well and fast the bone graft bonded with the carbon within 2 weeks and approximates it to being 3x as stong .
I personally wouldn't mind the Spartan ll augments they are both some of the best and more dangerous of the 3 Spartan classes. They make the most sense out of the lot while there is more inherent risk they do provide the best outcome if successful.
Literally less than 50% of them were successfully augmented, Spartan III augmentations provided almost identical results with a 100% success rate for the augmentations
Spartan IIs have absolutely confirmed broken bones, First strike chapter 2, "... a dozen broken bones and contusions" referring to Spartan IIs from Red team that just fell out of a pelican.
This is so intriguing. In 2008 when I was 20 years old, I had a near fatal car accident. I lost half of my left elbow and my entire leg femur and tibia were reinforced with a titanium rod through the bone. Unlike the Spartans my surgery/augmentation is inside of the bone. My x-rays seem like something out of a science fiction novel or the Wolverine from X-Men. I can tell you firsthand the amount of pain is excruciating. Though my life of weight training prior to my accident helped with healing and rehabilitation. Despite, what doctor said I would go on and become a professional, strong man and regularly lift weights far greater than my own bodyweight. I am no Spartan, but I can speak from the pain side and rehabilitation and in telling you and affirming that it is excruciating and yes, my leg is now unbreakable according to my surgeon.
Really, I liked a idea you came up with years ago, where gen engineered bone cells (like those that break down, look for fractures, and rebuild normal bone material) that complement the standard bone cells, but deposited titanium filaments (or something carbon based like diamond crystals). Essentially since the body tolerates titanium fine, and it’s something that can be ingested, you’ld just grow bone that acted like reinforced concrete. A notable point though is “unbreakable bone” just means under extream loads that would break bone, you’ld now tear apart cartilage, muscle, etc. which would actually be harder to heal from.
He was in a power armour suit while also being stronger then a average brute which the average brute is still a lot physically stronger then a Spartan in Gen 3 and there bones are almost unbreakable not fully unbreakable there’s still limit
@@jamesdouglas6977 Could've been a dislocation. While the bones can't be broken they can still be pulled out of their sockets and such has happened to Spartans before, maybe it could even be that his ligaments were torn. Even then, Otto-031 of Black Team suffered broke his ankle landing too hard on a rooftop, which while I like to imagine is just another way of saying dislocation does point to their bones being tough but not unbreakable.
hmmm, I'd pick either three or four. the former than the later one, the other is to know if my bones can withstand the process and say it works because bone surgery is delicate work.
I feel like the Spartan 4s should of had a bone regeneration ablity like how they have better healing capabilities then the Spartan 2s/3s to the point we’re they just walking hospitals due to the very fact of there augmentation being less aggressive then the 2s/3s I mean they got to account for something
Kelly had a compound rid fracture in silent storm, i think there was also a black team short where one member broke their leg, and the armor "locked it in the broken position" So bone injuries have happend but all things considered are very rare
I can see the upside to the Spartan Four augment of carbon nanotubes encasing the bone. During the act of flexing and breaking an object one side is put in tension and the other is put in compression, so this would help resist breaking a bone, but not nearly as much as the Spartan Two augment
Spartan II for me. I've fractured my skull in two places on the inner and outer wall of my skull. I also got multiple facial fractures from my orbital eye sockets to my upper jaw. It was no fun, very painful and now suffer from light sensitivity. So if I could have a nearly unbreakable bones I'd do it no matter the risk. Been there done that fractures hurt worse than breaks.
@mastershooter64 Car accident in February. I'm alive but I can't go anywhere without a hat, dark tinted lens. I can get headaches in near darkness, from bright light straight to my eyes over head light at times. Lightly tinted lens is a must just for work.
One thing they don't seem to have thought about is that the bone augmentation would have to periodically be reapplied due to the fact that in a seven year long cycle every molecule of bone in the human body is replaced witb new bone.
Isn't the metal used treated like calcium by the body? I remember hearing something about the Spartans getting the metal in their food so the augmentation would stay without redoing the surgery.
I would probably go with a combination of the 3, the encapsulation of the 2s with some reinforcement from the 4s and the 3s to make sure everything is well bonded and can heal properly
I think the Spartan III bone augmentation would be my number one due to the nearly same benefit as the Spartan IIs, but with near zero risk. Barring that, I’d still absolutely undergo the Spartan II augmentation if that were the only option available. I probably wouldn’t even bother with the Spartan IV augmentation due to the irl practicality of the physics involved
Spartan William had a broken tibia in the fall of reach. Vinh had beoken fingers during reach. Douglas' shoulder was likely broken by Atriox. All three were S-II
I would like to argue that the carbon nanotube wraps have more utility than you might think. Bones already have impressive compressive strength (up to 280 MPa, or about 20 tons in pound-force per square inch) along their longitudinal axis, which while not as impressive as diamond or boron-carbide, are high enough that your bones are the least of your concerns when your body is experiencing forces near those numbers. Rather, what tends to break bones is not compressive force alone, but a dynamic combination of compressive, tensile, and shearing forces due to some kind of flexion. While carbon nanotubes don't offer any meaningful compressive strength, their high tensile strength and absurd shear resistance could be used to greatly resist bending or twisting, and depending on their arrangement, they might even help convert transverse compression into the longitudinal axis, similar to how a suspension bridge works.
If I remember correctly from the SPartna 3 augmentation from a few years ago, you suggested that the bones in the Spartan 3s might get stronger over time. Yeah, again, I am going with SPartan 3 augmentations, WAY safer but almost as good as 2s.
You can make the human body super strong but I want to know the upgrades to brain durability. Spartan IIs must get concussions all the time. If their brains were extra durable do they still rattle around inside their skull when performing basic jumps and melees? We've given them ceramic bones and replaced their cerebral spinal fluid with memory foam. Not only does the foam reduce the likelihood of concussion but it effectively doubles recollection when tested.
I'd take the augmentations of both the 2s and 3s. From my understanding 2s have additional strengthening due to a material inside the bone structure, and the 3s have a chemical changing the chemical makeup of the bones themselves. If I can survive the 2s surgery with no after effects, I see no downsides if I take the 3s surgery too. If I'm to take up this process I'd probably go for bone lengthening surgery while I'm at it by breaking 2 sections in every limb, forearm, elbow to shoulder, thigh, shins. I'm pretty sure each limb could be extended to 5-15cm (2-6in). The risk of bone lengthening surgery which is mainly the risk of bones not hardening over the cut area is rectified by the Spartan surgeries. As much as I want the other 2s surgeries I don't trust my luck enough, so I'll stick with the 3s modifications. Imagine if ONI reopened the Spartan program under a new name like using the gods of the Spartan era like a "Atlas" project or something. Then using the previous surgeries and cloning development to combine into super human soldier, specifically using all previous surgeries from every spartan generation into 1 person. See a concept like that as a uber spartan existing and out performing the Chief in the background. Then suddenly finding out THIS spartan went rouge due to some mental defects and the AI convincing him. ONI's ultimate weapon The Spartan Hunter vs the Humanity's saviour Master Chief. (edit) Because of what is graphed to my bones I'll have to relearn how to swim again, if I'm not too dense to swim at all.
Don’t have a problem with it being blue. That’s what we see in the show, so it makes sense. The actual misses in the set, like Harley’s white and Freeze’s speedo and headband are just plain dumb to mess up on. They can do better, have done better, and should basically never willingly tear away from doing better.
I’ve always been curious of Spartans and water. I know in a suit of Mjlnir they’d probably sink to the bottom and have to lock up and sleep until rescue, but now this video about their bone structure makes me question how they’d fare out of armour. I’d assume they’d be just fine really.
S-III augmentation since the differences are apparently minor from S-II augments, aside that my first game was H:Reach so I'd prefer it. Although I'd realistically like a mix between the two wherever gives more quality.
343 shit the bed with the lore of the spartan 4s augmentation and i also have a question about the 2s augmentation, how would they grow with that since unlike the 3s who now have the body make its own augmentation, the 2s dont, so as they grew to full height wouldnt the new bone still be normal, needing some extra surgeryes? I feel like that is also a plot hole, or you didnt explain properly in the vid.
There is no new bone since post augmentation the IIs were fully grown. The thyroid implant which they were given first was full of hgh (human growth hormone) to speed up and increase both their muscle mass and skeletal growth/height. This was to avoid the risk of bone pulverization after the carbide ossification augmentation as mentioned in the video since their bones wouldn’t be able to freely grow after the boron was bonded to it since they’re completely encased like a cage.
Would a combination of all three augmentations be possible? Boron carbide sheets of the IIs over the (theoretical) titanium carbide bones of the IIIs with the fullerene lattice sheets of the IVs on top of the boron carbide layer?
What do you think of making the bones more springsteel like. Instead of making them super hard, make them denser to have more strength, but very flexible so they can't break easily?
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Roughly equal to the IIs (at least at first, if they don't get better over time like the IIs' do) with no risk. That's not a compromise, that is just the best of both worlds.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystemimmediately following augmentation the S-III’s are a decent chunk weaker than the S-II’s in most regards due to the fact that unlike the II’s their bodies hadn’t fully developed by the time they received their augs. However once an S-III’s body fully matured and acclimatised to the augmentations they would be about the same as the average S-II which is a pretty good trade off it just takes a little longer
Just to add why I say S-III’s is because we all know the S-II augmentations has some serious side effects to include death. So the S-II’s were basically prototypes with the S-III’ being a limited production run. Due to the nature of how the S-II’s and S-III’s were selected and the advances in Mjolnier armor the S-IV’s were the “political correct” choice to further the SPARTAN program.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Only some were equal to the 2s, that's only because they had REALLY GOOD genetics. Case and point, Nobel Team and headhunters The rest were inferior. So yes it is a bit of a compromise, not being as good but better than the 4s.
Not necessarily the shoulder being broken (slamming your hand in the door probably won't break the bones, but it will hurt a lot), but it could have happened. The bones are *practically* or *virtually* unbreakable, not actually invincible.
No, that's a vaporized limb. Not broken, cause it WASN'T THERE anymore. Its like trying to claim you broke you foot on the sun, no you didn't break it: you disappeared your foot.
So far this is the only S2 augmentation that I would even consider. I can deal with scars, it's not like I don't have a number of them already, so that's a non-issue for me. With such a low chance of complications and the immediate gains, this is worth it. BUT! Even though it seems the S3 augmentation isn't quite as good as the S2's, it's still 100% effective and 0% chance of complications. So ultimately, once again S3 gets a point, that makes it: S2: 0.5 (giving it .5 points here cuz I would select this if the S3 option wasn't available) S3: 3 S4: 0
