Stop comparing sports such as basketball or football to a sport like fencing 😭 the rules applied are completely different, and the history behind each sport is even more widely different. I argue that each and every sport is equally difficult and requires extreme skill at a professional level. YOU ARE WATCHING PROS in the video. Fencing is no exception. Stop beefing it’s not that serious mane
People are arguing over whether its realistic? That's silly, the real argument is whether its useful. Which, compared to "stab your attacker before they can stab you", the game of "get ball in basket" comes up short
fencing is dead, these people would crumble against fencers not even a hundred years ago, its the same thing that happened with karate and taekwondo, sports are being ruined by adding more rules and changing the idea of what it is.
Да, не повезло американскому фехтовальщику. Всю жизнь тренировался с твердым, несгибаемым мечом, а тут, оказывается, фехтуют гибкими. Кто бы знал, кто бы к тому готовился, кто бы за свою карьеру имел опыт сотен подобных случаев. Ну, явно не тот, кто никогда настоящим олимпийским фехтованием не занимался. (Намек в сторону комментатора, а не спортсмена)
I think you should maybe consider the countless hours and years spent training to get onto that stage and the strength to be able to bend the blade how you'd like, but yk bad fencing i guess...
If you want realistic fencing, do HEMA. Olympic fencing is not meant to represent a realistic duel with real weapons at this point. It is a sport and that's all it wants to and has to be. It is an incredibly fun one at that. I do both HEMA and olympic fencing and the mindset when fencing is completely different and that is ok. If you think of it as games, one is call of duty and the other is ready or not. Both are fun but in different ways and for different reasons. Some like one better than the other and others like them both, but neither is better or worse than the other just because one is closer to realism. If they are both well made and have fun and engaging gameplay, both games can be equally fun regardless of how close to the real thing they are. It's the same with HEMA and Olympic fencing.
@@user-qx5cn1si1q All of the kinetic energy that is used on bending it will not be transferred onto the tip. Additionally, the bending makes it so the blade is not longer in line with the direction of the stab which makes transferring energy harder. The springy property also causes energy to be transferred much less effectively overall. This is why shorter and very rigid daggers are so effective at getting through things. It is so rigid that the force you put into the stab is almost completely focused on the point and since it stays rigid after impact there is no other way for the energy to go but the direction you are pushing in. Fencing weapons are of course deliberately made to be as ineffective as possible at delivering kinetic energy to the opponent to avoid injury, but if you look at the historical weapons that foils and epees derive from you will see they are all very rigid since they are designed to be actual weapons. For a simple comparison that should make it clear: Imagine you want to push someone away from you with a pole. You have a pool noodle or a wooden pole to choose from. You will pick the wooden staff because you can much more easily transfer energy to the person with it compared to the pool noodle which will just bend and bend without pushing the person at all.
fencing's a sport. it's arbitrary like any other sport. there seems to be a common idea that fencing has to be like a real fight and accurate to a duel, instead of it's own sporting event. i don't know why you're so hung up on connecting it to a duel. "but this isn't real fencing, this isn't like a fight at all" comments inevitably fail because fencing's a sport dictated by it's own rules now... you wouldn't say "wow basketball isn't like any real life activity at all" because it doesn't have to be. "this isn't real sword fighting" and no one said it was. it's not supposed to and doesn't have to be. it is entirely unbound by the rules of sword fighting. bending the sword like it's a car antenna counts as good fencing because that's what the sport is for. it's not what duels are for, but fencing is not a duel. HEMA exists for a reason. That's supposed to be faithful to history. Fencing is as bound to your idea of a good duel as basketball or football are.
With how much emphasis our HEMA instructors put on 'You have to hit without getting hit back' this hurts my eyes so much. I know one if a martial art and the other is a sport but it's so freaking weird man
Ive done both at high levels. They are both fun but I would be lying if I said this was better. Hema is far more satisfying to do but sadly not watch. Really wish both where bigger.
The thing is that both have something different to appreciate tbf. HEMA fencing is all about Neutral and mak8ng a safe opening so it is quite intresting. But olimpic is truly a dont blink and its quite fun to see the guy with the lower points get the more fired and faster up leading to a comeback.
People: click on video People: this isnt what i thought fencing is!! People: "this is bad fencing" Brings me so much pain :( If any of them ever gave fencing a go i wonder if they would think the same.
Некоторое время занимался историческим фехтованием. Оружие, броня близки к настоящему обмундированию. Я ПРЕКРАСНО ПОНИМАЮ боль, которую испытываешь, когда получаешь встречный удар. Спортивное фехтование в моих глазах давно уже не фехтование, просто спорт.
Fencing blades are made to bend as to not injure the other opponent so they don’t get hurt. It is a sport. You gain points. Whatever moves you do matters if it is to defend, attack or confuse your opponent. Plus, this type only uses the tip as a point of contact instead of the whole blade, making the moves mostly thrusting attacks and much harder to contact the opponent without getting hit, requiring more precision. Even so, different types of fencing have their own strike zone and where to hit. Sabre- Waist up with full blade. Foil- Torso only with tip. Epee- Full body with tip. While the old fencing was first one draws blood. The white coats were for blood to be easily visible and it wasn’t as exciting as you think.
swear to god all these people don't get fencing, watching on the sidelines and just criticizing something they have never even tried a single movement or footstep. Like, ah yes, you know more about fencing then fencers. stfu
sheep mentality, what can they do when they were instructed to act like a huvemind since child to not be consider "weird" they the ones who be saying "be unique" "be you" but when said unique thing appears they start going against it. Its like telling them people to be yourself and that "everyone is special" is just a lie to brainwash them into believing they can be whatever they want. The truth is that going with the crowd and never standing out is the real way to live.
@@tkimmyfencing Boxing is a sport, his question is valid. Fencing could replace the Foil antennas with Poolnoodles and it would remain identical. The changes in the last 20 years in this Modern Sport have made the Competitions into a joke. Theres more Luck to winning than Skill or Technique.
Well, you could use fencing as to defend your home from robbers. Whereas countries who doesn't have the law to bear arms such as a firearms, Swords would be a great weapon to use.
When a sports gets so fast that people that don't practice it don't understand what's happening and start typying "bad fencing" & "was better before" in the comments.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Olympic fencing is a sport and not meant to represent real combat. If you only like combat fencing then do HEMA instead.
@@isaacselvaraj9573 The rest of us think it's fun, you should stick to fighting children with sticks then. Are you seriously trying to apply what you think is fun to the rest of us?
The blades are bendy to not hurt the opponent but are still sturdy to be swords. The fast speed of which the hands, wrist, arm, legs and body move makes the sword bend. Wrist to move the sword, hands to hold the sword, fingers to whip the handle forward, moving the blade, arm to extend and hit, legs to push off and use momentum to guide its speed and body to push when lunging.
Hit before you get hit, simple when someone the speed of a fighter jet stabs you in the chest. You need to react faster than that or you are dead. How has this sport fallen. The training increases their reaction time, speed, agility, endurance, body mobility. Of course all sports do that but you don’t need to downgrade this one because it looks goofy.
Put these guys in 1500 - 1660 and they probably would not last very long in a real duel. They play to score points while back then they played for real.
This is a sport. Not a martial art or to draw blood. Actually, if they went back, they could use different techniques for when they are dueling with another person.
It's a GAME. a SPORT. If you want to train for sword fighting, do HEMA instead. "How is this even considered even remotely close to sword fighting" it's not at all, just the same techniques, and that's ok, because it's not supposed to be sword fighting doofus it's supposed to be it's own thing. You can't just see swords and go "heh this is nothing like real sword fighting." like... ok, it's not. and what? what's the point?
mfw when marathon runners run across specially made flat tracks instead of the rugged terrain of real life also like.... there are sports like ski jumping. at some points sports are just sports dude. no actual real life application.... at least that I know of?
I have nothing against this sport but this is just boring isn't it? Lunging suicidally at ur opponent is not fun to watch and isn't satisfying. HEMA is better
@@godmergiethemobilegamer there's a reason this is a video, because it's out of the ordinary. i don't know how this ain't clicking with y'all, but the fact that this is very uncommon is the whole reason this video exists. In Epee, Olympic Fencing was so passive and non-suicidal they had to make a whole new rule saying "if you don't move and actually do something we're gonna card you" Personally I'd refrain from talking about something I never tried but that doesn't stop HEMA fans apparently
This is a sport using different techniques to defend and attack. It doesn’t need to look realistic. If you want realistic, then go to HEMA where they try to replicate old techniques of swordsman tactics.
Nah bc the edit was fire the music was good but the comments are not it 😭The same things that get said to me but like when will they learn 😭N the blades not even as bendy as they think they just super strong 😭But with that being said foil is a very not so good weapon, epee edit when
Дайте им реальные шпаги и посмотрим как они друг на друга попрыгают) Пол часа по кругу будут ходить, до тех пор пока идеальный момент для атаки не выберут.
Sabre- The way to win is by getting priority and attacking with that priority but losing the priority is bad. Having priority is good and will get you the point if you play it right. Unless of course. Ways of losing priority: -Stop moving for one second with priority -don’t move fast enough before your opponent in the 4 metre -lunging and missing -stomping and losing priority because that counts as lunging and missing -not leading with the point, e.g. having blade down, having guard above your wrist, etc. -getting parried -parrying but no repost and reprise by opponent -not beating the point in line -beating and they disengage attack -moving back one step when moving forward -Getting your blade beaten by your opponents blade near the top of your blade when you are moving forward as your blade has now been knocked out of the way in chance of your opponent taking priority. -Parrying your opponent but attacking and getting parried. That is called a counter parry -using a low indirect attack but pausing for one second before attacking I’m not saying anymore. There is a lot more than the ones I said.
This is fencing. Fencing is a sport representing the sword fighting techniques of defence and offence. HEMA is a martial art replacing old sword fighting techniques.
In fencing, you need priority and speed and reaction time. It fundamentally is who can point fast but also is about accuracy, reaction time, agility, aggression.
@@Zigeuninja Ok. I think basketball looks stupid because it's essentially just about who gets it in the other "net" first. I think running looks stupid because it's essentially just about who gets to the other "side" first. I think tennis looks stupid because it's essentially just about who doesn't fail to hit the ball "back" first. Judging sports by their rules, which are inherently arbitrarily decided, is pointless
@@bigtoosh Not when the sport clearly derives from historical combat and has been watered down to a point where the only similarities it has with its source is the name. In Olympic fencing it's completely irrelevant whether or not you also get hit after landing a blow on your opponent, which in my opinion totally defeats the purpose of actual fencing. "We both stabbed each other in the heart but I was first so I win" I don't know why you're so defensive about this, I'm merely saying why I'm not a fan of this sport and I think it looks ridiculous when two men are poking at each other with floppy toothpicks and calling it fencing...
Yes, the sword doesn’t matter if it is bendy or not, it is the body and muscle memory and strength and agility and loads of other stuff that can turn a stick into a deadly weapon.
I keep telling people this, it is a sport, not trying to replicate original old sport techniques or shit but it is a sport. With rules and techniques and training and blood sweat and speed. I respect HEMA and it trying to replicate old techniques for people to learn but this is a FUCKING SPORT WHERE YOU NEED TO GAIN POINTS. IT DOESNT HAVE TO LOOK CLASSY OR SOMETHING. JUST GET THE GOD DAMN POINTS.
Professional sports look stupid sometimes but requires lots of training, skill to play. Like the reaction time, speed, accuracy. A lot to train your mind, eyes, body and muscles memory. They may look dumb but try it out for yourself and talk back in this domain about it.
@@CubbeD If it looks stupid then there is a good chance that it is actually stupid. Apart from very hyper-specialised training of reaction speed, this type of sport doesn't do much. Even a simple table tennis is a better activity than this crap. And if you want to train nearly every aspect of a human mind and body you can just play good old football, soccer or hockey. There is also dancing, skiing, swimming, running, cycling and many more ways to spend your time with at least some meaning. Also, when everything mentioned above becomes competitive (I.e. professional sports) it starts to look dumb again.
@@CubbeD forgot to mention the most crucial part of why I hate professional sports. It's the rules. They get so over the top with them. Obviously you need to have some minimal rules in a competitive sport to decide who has won and stuff but in modern sports I feel like you can't even look at your opponent funny without getting some sort of penalty.
Normal rapiers are for deadly use. Fencing blades, not car antennas, are designed to not injure but to prevent harm and receive a hit scored. It is more safer and the fencing blades are for a SPORT, NOT A FIGHT TO THE DEATH.
You only perceive 13 frames per second. Actually. If you measured your brain activity in an EEG, it would show a steady 13hz. You cannot physically perceive a difference above 24. You're fooling yourself into thinking frame rate makes a difference beyond that; the computer hardware may be there, but I promise you, yours is not.
@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese stop spewing stupid nonsense. If its your brain works only at 13hz and that is the limitation you would not be able to see 24 frames .... Also that means you would not at all understand sounds. There are clear tests that show that most people see the difference between 30 and 60 fps when there are fast movements or moving text. Most gamers can tell you the difference between 60 and 120. You can easily watch videos about that on YT.
Old fencing is first one draws blood, New fencing is a sport with fighting techniques about defensive and offensive play and rules of the game and lots of stuff. It is a sport, not trying to injure the opponent but to play in a sport to try win the most points.
@@unib4324 I guess so. But damn when you see the poses they do, it is kinda beautiful. There was one pose where the opponent was behind the person and the person jumped up, spread his legs in the air and stabbed the opponent behind him between his legs by thrusting the sword underneath his legs into the opponents chest. Damn.
