Speedrunners Put Their NES On A HOTPLATE To Beat The Game Faster 

i was a bit confused and started questioning myself.

You can always correct and reup. The video is very solid, nice work.

to complicate matters further, the transistors and other silicon components actually become more conductive with an increase in temperature. that is a common phenomenon among all semiconductors. this is where the term "thermal runaway" is usually encountered, especially when talking about poorly cooled components. i have actually had that happen to a solid state relay i owned, it did not survive unfortunately :(

@@josephgauthier5018 Yeah I think the video was saying what he meant to from what he'd read. The thing about metals was true but when it comes to the microcontrollers, they're made of semiconductors so conductivity will go up with temperature as more charge carriers get freed up.

resistance, you said conductivity instead of resistance

😂😂 ok you got me that was pretty good take your like

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Why didn't I think of that

Hot take.

@@yourmomtwice That's also amazing. I keep getting out punned, fells bad man

Oh I get it... another *degree* Ba dum tss 🥁

I really want KFConsole to be a real product instead of Stadia that we got

@@laos85 I'm actually pretty sure they are making them lol

its a real product... no joke

It is real. More powerful than the PS5 and SeriesX.

@@recklessrecluse9123 Imagine experimenting and testing for years to build the best possible console and being beat by a Chicken Resturant

As far as my short research could get me: TAS rules only cover input devices. So this should be plain illegal in all current rulesets as it's an undefined manipulation of the hardware.

@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece No, i would just consider this as a glitched ruleset

Physical alteration of the console. Disqualified

Sit on the console to heat it up so no longer a TAS

controller

So theoretically, the best xp grinding location is the sun.

@KaseNash59 no

@@lordexohunter558 Double sun poweeeeeeerrrrr!

is that why they made fuccin 50 of them

@@buddergolem9463 there is literally 11 lmao

Well, it was the day his little brother's life was saved (when he reloaded with a max character instead of having lost all of his run or something :P )

@@damien4197 as a little brother, I concur. I would've been bruised and bloody for a foolish mistake like that. The moment he booted it up to a max level character though, he would've immediately had me kick the system while he played every game we had hahahaha

can't tell if this is legit or you're hoping someone will try this and ruin their system

@@Red4350 lmao no i dont wanna anyone to ruin their systems. I was a dumb lil kid when I did it. I eventually did ruin the cart by trying to do the glitch again, so i dont recommend it, but it did work.

Come up!! That's sick🤣

You too? Lmao. I did that as well and that's the only way I unlocked the Chao Garden.

In one sonic game to avoid crashing they just made it so the error screen took you to a minigame instead. I wonder if that started a history of sonic games avoid glitches by just giving you bonus stuff.

And then eventually emulation would be required, and then guess what? We can't do it anymore!

@@MetaBinding temperature setting for emulator

bro just put your whole pc on a hot plate

@@GeneralLDS Diconnect the cooling fan, then you don't even need a hot plate.

It's obviously hardware manipulation, it's dangerous, and it's a necessary gating expense. It would be best to ban it.

*I cartridge tilted and nothing bad happened. Go tilt your cartridge*

Modern problems require modern solutions

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Many types of absurd nonscense

It's so dumb. At least catridge tilting is safe for the console because it can't do permament damage to it (the worst it can do is crash your game), while heating the console can cause permament damage to the console or worst case scenario, burn down your house. Speedrun dot com is inconsistent as always, lol.

Won't be allowed on any% though. Would be classified exactly like you said, hardware malfunction.

nah this is reasonable actually probably started with some dude trying for a speedrun of DQ3, console overheats (probably cause they'd've been playin for like forever), glitches start popping up that make the speedrun easier to accomplish, dude realizes this and is all like "oh my god i could replicate this by popping my famicom on the stove!", bing bang boom now you've got a speedrun where people cook their fuckin consoles _just right_ as part of liek how you do it.

@Merlin the M.S. Empathizer joke wasn't good

@Merlin the M.S. Empathizer keeping me? Whatever that means. Even worse of a joke.

@Merlin the M.S. Empathizer such a weak comeback lmao, mom jokes in 2021

@@Tokito935 at least its a comeback at all, unlike what your dad is doing

I'll have one of those please and a diet coke to go.

It takes extra effort but the pepper method adds extra flavour to the run. It saves about 20 seconds too

This can only be done on a Nintoaster.

I ate too many nintendo sandwhiches as a kid

I think they have to make it different on the NTSC release where you have to do two buns with cheese, lettuce, and tomatoes, also possible with pickles or onions, I think they slow down the process though.

Imagine explaining to an arson investigator how you managed to burn the house down while playing video games. Imagine what the insurance company would say. Lmao

My phone is naturally hot so I could give it a shot

you don't need to, you already have a gaming laptop that that thermal throttles 100% of the time

Because the emulator naturally conducts the same way the console does

RIP SalamiOrs

@@dr3w494 i disassembled my laptop and installed some large ass heat sinks with fans, now its fine as fuck

It feels like a a mix of several people talking about different things. I think what he really wanted to talk about was the semiconductor's conductivity, which does increase with temperature.

Yes, but it's more complicated than that. If, for instance, the transistor is specifically what's called a NAND (i.e. Not-And) Gate, then two low inputs (0's)will indeed produce a high output (1). So that's literally true, but his description was still accurate.

@@caslaBBalsac NAND is a logic gate that can be created using transistors, not a type of transistor.

@@theodiscusgaming3909 This is true, but if you have the level of understanding to know that, then you should also understand EXACTLY why I oversimplified it so much. Either way, since it uses transistors, the point still applies, albiet with A LOT more details.

Total clickbait. That's clearly a Famicom in the vid, not a NES. ;)

I genuinely wonder what clickbait with that title would be

At least you can spoof an NFC card for that

Man says "I told them" like he had a meeting with Nintendo about it.

Ah yes, Khronos_, such an important figure in speedrunning discourse with all of those 5 subscribers you have

That passive aggressive “great video otherwise” 😂

@@jjcoola998 wasn’t passive aggressive; I genuinely think it’s a good video aside from the factual error

Bro ur hella cute

Was just about to say the same thing lol. Also for those who don't know you can bypass the item requirement by leveling a Jester to 20.

Also, "sage's stone" is a semi-common mistranslation of philosopher's stone. Off the top of my head, there's a Yu-Gi-Oh card that makes that mistake.

Or at least have a hot plate category

Yeah but cartridge tilting creates glitches, the hot plate doesn't, it only makes it easier to replicate.

but what if for example you are playing in summer when the air is 30C degrees hot, then you arent doing it on purpose but it still happens

@@t0biascze644 gotta use natural or body heat otherwise it's a TAS

"Yes my room is a casual 50C, why do you ask?"

He prob got beat, then was appoligized to.

@@mathjesticgaming1188 i was thinking the same thing, he probably got a serving of knuckle sandwich for that "help"...

It reminds me of RNG manipulation with things like plugged in controllers with buttons taped down and that kind of thing.

Because heat kills chips. Nobody should do this to their old consoles and games.

Isn't there a trick in Goldeneye 64 that involves a literal rubber band?

Wouldn't "anything" include just patching the game ROM to boot straight to the ending sequence? Every record would be 00:00.

@@Butter-Milk Not sure about that. But, there is a method in Goldeneye that involves disassembling a controller.

Anything goes? Hex editor to skip to the end. Speedrun takes 10 seconds.

@@kinyutaka Ha! I got 8.7 seconds!

What if they just live in a desert ?

Any% literally means anything goes..

@@Archiesaccount I thought it meant beating the game at any percentage

@@Archiesaccount No. Any% means any percentage with use of glitches. Hardware modification is not allowed. You must have confused with this game's specific category, the "anything goes any%".

@@Archiesaccount no, it means anything WITHOUT external manipulation. you can use a second controller, or change the game code with a save glitch. but you need to be able to pull it off using only the console given accessories.

I'd chip in $10 for any streamer willing to try that. Good entertainment value if you ask me!

@@daveyjones7391 there is a youtuber / Streamer that did this with a TV and Halo on the original xbox, kind of, he put his tv in the oven and tried beating the first mission of Halo before the tv went bye bye. I think they're called Duck Productions, or Duck TV or something like that,

You know what they say, all toasters toast toast

avgn got his nintoaster repaired

What are you on, of course they existed. Lol

If this comment gets deleted we know the truth

The point is he did it lol

You can't discount the stove element

He actually just used the human element as a heat source

This really should be everyone's opinion

I really don't understand how that doesn't count as hardware modification. I mean, you could recreate the same set of circumstances in an emulator.

nah

Just like any sport, athletes take any possibility to get better times.

Imo this is just plain cheating as each unit will behave differently under these conditions, completely destroying any pretense of a level playing field between speedrunners. Especially so when tool assisted runs are already permitted. Without a level playing field, speed records become worthless.

2030: A new glitch has been discovered where if you smash your PS7 right after starting the game, the sudden hardware crash will cause the win screen to appear for 0.6 seconds before it blue screens. Fastest smash time .061 seconds.

And this is a cheat, it should be a different category.

Potato PCs: *(chuckles) "I'm in danger."*

Hahaha 😅💥

Oh, you mean amd

My pc is already a hot plate 😢

microwave - potato setting

Yep, Pirohiko found a way to do an ACE payload using the other games; I've got a video in the works about it check back around April 28th.

Hate to say it but I'm pretty sure this was a failsafe implemented in multiple Sonic games. I read (actually in the comments on another video from this uploader lol) about a bunch of people who discovered that you could unlock everything in Sonic Advance 2 by inserting the cartridge tilted or even wet (making the save data unreadable and triggering the failsafe)

Here is proof: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i9bkKw32dGw.html

That's because heat doesn't increase conductivity. It reduces it.

Heat increases resistance not conductivity This is why superconductors only work at nearly absolute zero.

@@artemis_smith but but they have an electronic technology degree,whatever that is

@@sukmidri even a smart squirrel loses a nut now and then

Agreed. It should be its own category because this is textbook hardware modification.

I think its just glitching. Is tempature really hardware tampering?

@@uuncoolguy6 well, since you have to use outside effects on the console in order for the desired outcome, it is closer to hardware tampering than simple glitch exploitation. The goal is to use temperature to physically change the hardware so that the game runs in a certain way. It also isn't easily available for all speedrunners, so there's an arbitrary disparity that favors Japanese runners. You either get your hands on a Japanese version or you're SOL.

I support Hotplate%

Consider that you are using a hotplate, it would be a TAS. Technicaly speaking.

Sure but a lot of the electrical components are semiconductors which increases with temperature...

@@hakancarlsson2881 Semiconductors do become more conductive with heat, but the internal wiring on the metal layers of the integrated circuits don't. Additionally, transistor properties (like the transconductance, saturation current, and threshold voltage for MOSFETs) also depend on temperature. Which of these effects actually dominates is hard to predict and can depend on the process node, chip structure, type of transistor under consideration (p-channel vs n-channel and also the size and shape) -- because of this integrated circuit designers have to perform various checks and simulations to verify that their design works at all of its rated temperatures. I could speculate on what exactly is happening here but there are many possibilities.

There's also the fact that now that this info is widely known, people could THEORETICALLY replicate it even without the hotplate/icepack. Like, if you lived in a super hot or cold region you could theoretically replicate the effect by abusing the ambient temperature and just playing on a very hot/cold surface. Like, imo, it would be like saying "oh sorry this run is invalid because you used a hot plate" while also saying "this other run is invalid because you live in the middle east and it was so hot that the glitch naturally occurred". In this case, I'd say that precedent from other speedrun communities should be taken into consideration. At times, there have been speed tech that's only possible due to a hardware defect and/or long term wear and tear. Take for example, the original mario kart. They have a rule where you can shave the center nub of your d-pad in order to maintain fair competition (since some have no center nub due to defect, and others can lose their center nub over years of intense use). Since you can achieve this speed tech through completely legitimate means (ie. you've been playing forever) the only options the community had were to either ban the speed tech or allow hardware modifications in order to allow all players to compete on even ground.

It IS the community that decides what is or isn't illegal. And in cases like this one where it's a known issue, with a deliberate and understood cause and effect, the tech is generally allowed but with the provision of having a separate category from other runs.

Give me a soldering iron and I'll find a "credits skip" for any game. Hardware mods, outside of TAS controller emulation, shouldn't be a thing in speedrunning. If some community wants to allow them, that's their business, but major gamebreaking skips already make speedrunning less and less about skill in playing a game. Hardware mods make it more and more meaningless.

This is absolutely hardware interference. The increased conductivity of the metal inside the chips means that the machine would be processing the data faster than intended, or is even capable. This is where the glitches come from. When the machine tries to read the data too fast, it misses bits, which change the ends result. Imagine it like taking a couple letters out of a sentence. "Beat the clock" would become "Eat the c*ck". Very different.

@@RedEyesBlackDragon0 that's... not at all how it works. The processing speed is governed by a clock signal, not by the conductivity of the metal. Without knowing exactly how the glitch is performed, I can't say for sure, but this is either influencing the "random" state of uninitialized memory at power on, or the corruption that can happen when powering off without holding reset.

@@RedEyesBlackDragon0 Heat REDUCES conductivity not increasing it

The behavior of RAM is essentially random when first powered up or when the voltages are out of spec. Changing the temperature likely changes the relative properties of the transistors causing different behavior

@@RedEyesBlackDragon0 You could actually play with the whole room at 8.5C so I think that one is more reasonable (it might be a little chilly but totally doable). Also, the mechanism you just proposed is totally wrong. Metal does not become more conductive at higher temperatures (although semiconductors do) and the clock oscillator's frequency doesn't noticeably change with temperature either. The NES/Famicom itself isn't malfunctioning at all since the behavior at poweroff when the voltages go out of spec aren't defined. What's happening instead is much more complicated. The properties of transistors (like the transconductance, saturation current, threshold voltage, gate capacitance, etc) depend on temperature. In any case, it seems that the SRAM cells become more likely to flip to one state than the other at these temperatures when power is removed. The behavior of SRAM is undefined when voltages go out of spec (could be the voltages on the data/address lines, even, or even just those voltages changing too quickly or too slowly)

I believe in this case it was for simpllicities sake for the non programmers.

They start at whatever you want. It depends on the language and/or the implementation of the container. In FORTRAN and BASIC, IIRC, they start at 1. As does Lua. In Pascal you specify on a case by case basis what you want. In later versions of FORTRAN I think you can specify too, since I recall learning how that starting index gets absorbed into the other constants in the generated machine code and is "free". I'm pretty sure the program is written in assembly language, and there are no arrays, just code and conventions established by the programmer. I'm sure there's no subroutine for a well-defined array library; rather he just uses an indexed addressing mode explicitly when accessing the data. There, you can make the index start at any value you like by choosing the base address so the range of legal indexes land at addresses you've actually allocated for that purpose.

Or word of sages or whatever, but it's complicated, alright?

Also @ 9:00 he meant less conductive, not more. The chart he had just shown clearly explained that

Personally, I think the line should be drawn at hardware manipulation. However, even that is a slippery slope. Using your example of Goldeneye, would it be considered hardware manipulation to replace the thumbstick with a custom high quality thumbstick? What about filing notches into the controller to more easily hit correct angles?

@@TehZergRush pretty sure, no amount of "high quality" would change how shitty the analog of the 64 works. i would even say its a software problem, not hardware(it still feels bad even if you emulate and use a gc controller for example). dunno about that type of speedrun(i know nothing about goldeneye, and after a quick google, found nothing about this), but here you are using an external device to achieve the glitch. a hotplate.

@@marcosdheleno I think we could agree that an analog that freely returns to centre position is preferable over one that loosely dangles. I’d be curious for you to expand on, or provide additional evidence as to why you would consider an analog stick issue a problem with the software. Not to be rude, but citing emulation with a GC controller is not really convincing when we’re talking about stock N64 hardware. Anyway, I just bring these examples up as an example to highlight how nebulous the rules are when it comes to hardware manipulation. I don’t think replacing a stick should be considered manipulation as we have to be reasonable on the age of the hardware, how they were intended to work out of the box, and the fact that, as far as I’m aware, Nintendo stopped producing any N64 parts long ago. However, I think filing notches is more comparable. Whether you use a hot plate to produce a glitch, or whether you filed notches into a controller to hit angles consistently you’re using external sources to manipulate gameplay with the goal of achieving a better time.

@@TehZergRush like i said, you can see it if you play any 64 game on an emulator, the analog is very "stiff". that comes from the software translating the movement of the stick to digital. you could have the best analog possible, it wont make any diference if the game still doesnt feel responsive.

Next up: Summoning Molten Salt

Semiconductor components becomes MORE conductive so??

@@hakancarlsson2881 As temp rises, conductivity drops. Look it up

@@eviljigglypuff2254 In most materials yes.. But not all... Many electronic components are semiconductors though... From what I've looked up they become more conductive?

I understand this reference

@@marktero thank you, its so stupid that one is allowed and the other isnt

@@everythingpony yeah different games have different mods and leaderboards, runners so it's circumstance that everyone thinks differently and have different rules. Discussion is always good though and leads to better decisions, hopefully.

"It removes incentive for the average Joe to join the community" That's why there are different categories for most games. Glitchless is exactly the category you're looking for.

@@graytiamat Read it again, you missed where I wrote exactly that. :)

Must be the heat.

Instructions unclear, put my metal dell laptop with an rtx3080 in the microwave and my house is on fire

Doesn't a semiconductor become more conductive with heat? How would that slow it down?

​@@hakancarlsson2881 Semiconductors do become more conductive with heat, but the internal wiring on the metal layers of the integrated circuits don't. Additionally, transistor properties (like the transconductance, saturation current, and threshold voltage for MOSFETs) also depend on temperature. Which of these effects actually dominates is hard to predict and can depend on the process node, chip structure, type of transistor under consideration (p-channel vs n-channel and also the size and shape) -- because of this integrated circuit designers have to perform various checks and simulations to verify that their design works at all of its rated temperatures. I could speculate on what exactly is happening here but there are many possibilities.

Err no? Any% is just Any%, finishing the game without any rules on glitches, sequence breaks, completion, ect. Far from letting you toast your console lol

Well not really, you didn't replace any hardware. It can also be replicated in normal circumstances. Like playing the game in the desert or near a volcano.