Spider-Man 2 RUINED one of the BEST parts of SPIDER-MAN PS4! Stealth vs symbiote ability gameplay 

Venom and the symbiotes can literally see miles when he’s invisible. That’s f**king op.

Sounds like they made symbiote Peter not care about stealth, which is 100% accurate

Purpose of no stealth was to show the brute strength carelessness of the simbiote and i think its accurate

Now it makes sense story wise, this Peter would say fuck stealth, but what if the made symbiot tool & gadgets, like a symbiot bear trap😂

They really said “Stealth? Pft, nah. U know what the players really want? MJ missions again”

I hope they keep the way gadgets work in Spider-Man 2 but allow you to switch them out like you can with Abilities for more variety..

As someone who never used the gadgets in the first game I see this as an absolute win cause I absolutely loved the combat and stealth anyway in Spider-Man 2

Getting rid of the gadget wheel was a huge upgrade, but I do miss some of the old gadgets.

If u think about it, still fits the story. Peter wouldn’t use stealth unless he absolutely needs to with the symbiote. Make u feel like a god. For miles, he’s got cammo he’ll be fine

Personally I think that beating up a ton of bad guys is way more fun than sneaking around on the ceiling.

In Arkham games stealth in those sections was mandatory, since Batman dies very quickly to guns. One or two gunners are doable since he can Batclaw one gun away and probably stun the other guy, but a full room of thugs with guns is a deathtrap without stealth. Spider-Man fights multiple gunners constantly so the stealth doesn't seem as necessary.

Tbh it makes sense why they didn't care about stealth think about if your filled with rage and want to destroy everything u want to brute force it not hide in the shadows talking out enemies one at a time it about sending a message to them.

I think the point of not having so much gadgets in MS2 was not to rely on the gadgets so much which would make it more difficult to survive. If you think about it, we had quite an advantage with the amount of gadgets we had in the previous games. We relied more on our skills, attacks, and abilities instead in MS2. I’m not complaining, and who knows, maybe they’ll add it back in the updaters or DLCs

I understand them not wanting to do stealth for Pete in this game but miles can literally turn invisible

Idk about you guys but pressing the "Special" as Peter and just Brute punching everyone with maximum bass and sound in my headset was one of the most satisfying thing to do in a videogame

the zipline was a huge improvement, but yeah, your 100% right

I thought the stealth in this game was still pretty fun. You can upgrade the sonic blast into a lure during stealth, and the web lines allowing for better takedowns later made stealth more streamlined for me. I do think they should have had more gadgets and let you swap them like the abilities.

I didn’t personally see anything wrong with the gadgets in this game, I hated pulling up the wheel every time I wanted to use a gadget so I ended up almost never using gadgets for any of the stealth missions, I just stealthfully took everyone down with the normal webs

I remember using spider bro and the bots while surrounded. I could stand surrounded by enemies and let them do the work. It was pretty OP. The gadgets should have stayed but they should have been swappable so we could use them in a style of our own.

Despite stealth being heavily ignored in the game, any missions that allowed you to start in stealth were the missions i did 100% finish in stealth. There was maybe one Hunter base that i finished off the last 3 or 4 hunters with guns blazing but that was it

I loved stealth. It made me feel like an actual spider in a weird way as I was making spider webs since I was creating the most applicable patterns in the sky with the web lines for the room at hand. Just my opinion tho 🤷

“I skipped stealth and went in punching because it’s easier and way more fun.” Sooooo objective achieved?

Honestly this is fine since basically we heavily depended on the gadgets and used them all the time to survive. For this tho it really came in handy more when it came to fighting the symbiotes. With stealth, Peter would be stealthy but the Peter with the symbiote does not care about stealth but would go crazy in combat which suits it better

I mean I don't care about stealth. The zipline was an amazing improvement and I can look past the gadgets as they gave us new moves and web wings.

Everyone is saying symbiote Peter wouldn’t care about stealth which i agree, but i think they had a chance to make things actually scary and put fear in enemies similar to how he made MJ feel. We could’ve gotten a more intimidating stealth Peter, who made enemies get terrified like how Batman did in the Arkham games, Batman literally made enemies heart rates increase and that was a cool thing to see

The stealth in the first game was also boring

Although I heavily disagree about the gadgets, I do admit it was a huge missed opportunity to not incorporate the Symbiote into stealth. We know that it can shapeshift and mimic other clothing, so they could've had it work like Prototype where you disguise yourself as a hunter to walk around hunter bases undetected, like in the party mission where he disguises himself as a waiter. Have it be mapped to the same button as Miles' invisibility. That way both of them have unique stealth powers.

To be fair, gadgets in the first game didn't really make stealth good. Every gadget was either a one-shot ability, or a distraction ability. Trip Mine was the best example of a good stealth gadget, whereas Impact Web was just a non-lethal gun. In Spider-Man 2, they encouraged for more deliberate stealth with the zipline, and they allowed for more explosive potential with the new gadgets being able to relocate and distract enemies. If anything, I wouldn't say Spider-Man 2 RUINED stealth; instead, Spider-Man was never good at stealth, but Spider-Man 2 didn't really do enough to make it any better. I think it would be cool to have "Stealth Gadget Toolkit" which would switch in when Spidey is undetected. Then you could have cool gadgets like Trip Mine and other traps while not sacrificing the speed of combat. Plus, most of the fun in Spider-Man Ps4's stealth came from Suit Powers. That shit was funny

Stealth is still creative with wall and ceiling takedowns, and making a whole web of web lines is interesting. Also the gadgets were op, they shifted the creativity and power into other aspects of the moveset.

Honestly i wish they allowed you to have infinite webbing whenever you used the symbiote

I didn't miss it. It actually helps the pacing.

They should have made stealth way stronger and scarier with the black suit. They need corner takedowns and more variety

add a couple extra gadgets for stealth, remove the game literally telling you it’s safe to take someone out and add line-of-sight cones like the TASM 2 game. i think just these few changes would add a layer of difficulty and creativity we haven’t seen in any of the three games. i don’t mind the web lines as i’d prefer to be able to do them because Spider-Man definitely should be able to, but i try to limit the use because they’re very powerful. the only other request i have is to add a mechanic similar to Arkham Knight where if an enemy sees one of his fellows webbed to a wall or vantage point, they’ll cut them down. i don’t want to see it just copy and paste Arkham, but they don’t even try to help each other when they find one of their own webbed up.

I still had fun with the stealth in this game but I hope that they do improve it and maybe even let the game be longer, I don’t have any issue with the game but I would love to see the sequels and spin-offs being longer from this point

"I didn't have fun cause it wasn't on baby mode" is what you're trying to say

Getting rid of the gadget wheel was like the best part 💀it was too cluttered and you know damn well you didn’t even use most the gadgets

100% agree. Stealth in games is already often too difficult or too easy and almost always far too tedious as is. Making it more boring gives a player no reason to do it.

There is one simple answer: literally nobody liked stealth😑😑

Sometimes I miss the gadget wheel but I primarily love the brute aspect of this game more and love the second game way more than the first one.

Getting rid of the weapon wheel was a great idea. It means combat is fluid because it's not being interrupted the whole time by having to bring up the wheel. I think the first game had too many gadgets as well. Spiderman isn't really about having a million different gadgets at the ready, it's better streamlined.

i feel, if in spider-man 3, they add hostage rescue missions, like if you get discovered, the hostage dies, and make stealth a more usable option, then stealth would be more used

I feel like having less gadgets made stealth more difficult, which made you have to think twice as hard about how to complete a stealth mission without getting caught.

I was able to stealth most levels fine. It was actually rare that I had to brute force it

Am i the only one that actully really liked the stealth in this game like the zip line then just pulling them up was so funny to me

I only really miss the Trip Mines but I’m glad the gadgets were actually cut down. Constantly scrolling through a weapon wheel completely breaks the pace of the fights. I prefer that Spider-Man 2 encourages you to fight hand to hand more and pushes you to get good at dodging and parrying. Yes the stealth suffered a bit because of the lack of gadgets but even in Spider-Man 1, stealth was still so easy and not as challenging and barely had creativity compared to the Batman Arkham Series

Simply put, the whole point of the symbiote is that it makes Peter all gung-ho. He doesn’t give af about stealth, he only needs the brute force from the symbiote

I miss some of the gadgets but it makes stealth a little harder and i like that. Makes sense with symbiote spidey too because hes much more aggressive.

I totally forgot there was gadgets, but now I knew something was missing, I enjoyed using the gadgets in the first one

I’m glad you said it because when I started Spider-Man 2 I was pissed they removed that

Spiderman 2 has that Arkham asylum-level bare-bones stealth which I personally like because it makes it more challenging but I can also understand how some people might find the stealth boring

I used stealth a lot and never got caught. The webline stealth takedowns were really good

It’s crazy how the first game still outshine the second one with better variety. The gadgets, in the first one, weren’t just great for stealth but they were also extremely versatile in combat and combining them felt satisfying. Only thing that second one really did better was the web slinging and a bit more moves.

Playtesters complained about no stealth missions and they didn't want to add them in so they flimily changed a couple missions to have stealth possibilities but didn't bother to make it indepth.

I rarely ever used the gadgets in the first game during stealth. It always went: perch web, perch web, do that a few more times, then web strike the last guy. Same with Spider-Man 2 and Miles Morales. Never changed it because I never felt the need to do it any other way than the easy way.

In Spider-Man miles morales, there’s also no reason to use stealth, because the venom strike is cool and you focus bar super quick.

And that is why the Batman Arkham games can’t be beaten.

What killed stealth the most for me is when I discovered I could cheat by walking on the weblines and hanging everyone off them. It was fun at first trying to create my own spider web until I discovered the limit of weblines you can have and how OP this was by capturing two at once

Tbh I didn’t like the web abilities in the last game, I just like to turn my brain off and just fight waves of enemies without gadgets and it also just makes u fell more bad ass especially in the 2nd game.

The first game had shit stealth too, the only upgrade they gave this new stealth is web lines which js genuinely so good. The only good stealth are the Mj missions in sm2

As someone who hates stealth I see this as an absolute win

Tbh i found making a spider web above enemies and using it to hang them from was pretty entertaining

That’s the point tho. Symbiote Peter doesn’t care about being careful and having stealth

Admittedly, saying you got caught early in an encounter shouldn’t really be used as evidence of poor stealth mechanics or effectively highlight the symbiotes ease of use and I’d argue the encounters where stealth is possible are just as good as the first game. The addition of the web zip line eliminates the need for a lot of the gadgets we had previously” Stealth might not have been a dev “priority”, but it’s there and in my opinion it’s better as it forces a player to be more “proactive” with their movement and positioning with more ceiling and wall takedown opportunities alongside the web zip line and less find a perch point to “sit and wait” - which creates the Batman comparison.

I agree just imagine how bad it would have been if Warner brothers removed gadgets from Batman the Arkham Knight! Honestly if that happened it would've been impossible to do nightmare difficulty in Arkham Knight!

To be honest, I kinda didn't mind how the stealth was compared to Spider Man PS4. Sure they may have taken away the gadgets and focused on the symbiote but I don't mind it

I’m just happy they ended stealth with Mary Jane. Peter really should’ve said “I’m the hero, not you!” In the first game.

bro said we have to compare them to the arkham games when they are COMPLETELY different.

The second game for sure has this fast-paced vibe. The most baffling thing is that the other gadgets didn't have to be removed. They could've made it so that you can pause, select the gadgets you prefer, or find suitable depending on the situation. Just any way to bring them back because not only was Stealth boring, it's too easy.

I found removing several of the gadgets to be a big mistake. I can see removing some of the ones that were not really used by players, but let me have my freaking impact webbing.

As much as we complained about mj missions… they really sat there and added 4 more to this game I audibly groaned the first time I had a mission and realized I was playing as her 🤕

I’m glad we don’t have gadgets. Spidey would just have webs and the web line really, not a trip mine, concussive wave, and 8+ gadgets on standby, web grenade makes sense to have. And as for stealth, I hate stealth, I’d rather fight, but really I be using the web zip line and be picking everybody off, don’t matter if it’s it Peter or Miles. Also, I know stealth was a bigger emphasis in the first game, but if you got caught, what would happen? Would they still come after you and you still continue the mission? Huh, that’s what this game does too.

Removing gadgets was good for fighting and bad for stealth also the miles game was pretty focused on steath so we had already gotten that and it was time to show the raw power of the symbiote

I miss the bigger variety of gadgets too. I liked ricochet web and the grabber gadget, but the other two gadgets sucked, and definitely preferred how they were selected in the first games too. Only reason to be stealthy is so you can hear the enemy chatter

When you play as Miles, then there is a focus on Stealth even also if you play as Peter you can also have stealth options too, you just need to be patient enough to figure it out

Nah the webline makes it so good it’s a bit of a different way but I like it

Insomniac missed the part where that's their problem

The web line was cool and the return of wall and ceiling takedowns were cool but it didn't make up for all of the lost gadgets.

It sucks sure. But some of those gadgets were way OP. And this wasn’t the story for it either. They did it to make combat flow better. Also. Maybe it’s just me….I had a lot of fun making my own web structures and hanging enemies for them in creative designs…then taking a photo with my work. Lol

I honestly don’t care about stealth I’m a Spider-Man game. Batman is different because a big part of his identity is about being a ninja and stealth takedowns. In the first Spider-Man game, I felt like they were ripping off Batman, which was a wrong move. I’m honestly glad that they didn’t go more stealthy this game.

Man I loved doing stealth in miles morales just because I can complete the base without rushing in guns blazing after the first round

All honesty, making stealth entirely reliant on getting close and taking advantage of the environment is far better than the first game where it was “Impact web and trip wire everything.” Felt a lot more like the Arkham series predator segments as Peter and Moles had to use the environment as well as takedowns like Batman.

I think that’s what they wanted people to do with the symbiote suit. They wanted to make stealth seem boring for Peter when he has that suit because the suit wants to fight and kill.. that’s why it ends up being so much more fun to brute force.. it’s kinda the suits thing

I get it because if anyone watched the animated series. Black symbiote spiderman says he rather do things bruthe force as opposed to "crawling in vents"

Finally!! Somebody said something about the gadget system i miss impact webbing😢

The web line was the only thing added that was really good for stealth (and tbf the web line is AMAZING) but yeah, as a stealth enthusiast it really bums me out that in this game stealth isn’t needed at all. I wish they added missions which required stealth like in the first game.

I really wish they'd bring back stealth in Spider-Man 3...

I thought it had the perfect blend of stealth options and brute force fighting. This time the MJ missions were way more tolerable because of the stun gun stealth take downs, and any time I used Miles I’d clear rooms without ever being seen.

The web zip line made it so I didn’t have to use gadgets. I still rarely used gadgets in the first game. 😂

I found it really good story wise when miles got caught and Peter shows up I was expecting stealth until I got caught but Peter with venom was like “nah fuck stealth” and instantly went in

Stealth is so easy do in all the Spider-Man games with or without gadgets it’s still fun too having that rush if your gonna get caught or not

I’m not usually one to use gadgets or anything like that because I prefer to zip around really fast and do takedowns from walls or vantage points or slack lines/wires. So being able to make my own wires and quickly unlocking the upgrade that lets you grab two guys at once and I was cruising through stealth sections with no problems whatsoever in no time flat this time around.

I was really good @ stealth in the first game and miles morales. Now I’m decent @ it since they took away gadgets and I’m only good with Miles because of his powers that Peter doesn’t have. The gadgets made me op with it in the first couple games because you need better distractions/weapons to lure enemies away.

I’m fine with the removal of the gadget wheel and the overall reduction of gadgets. I would I liked to have maybe two different ones added in that could be switched out like the suit powers, but I think the new system is an improvement. Now as for stealth, I can agree that it has mattered less since the previous games, but the entire time I played the game I was under the impression that since you can choose to do most side missions as either Peter or Miles, you were choosing wether to go in loud or sneak around respectfully. Even then, I had just as much fun and didn’t notice either approach to be more difficult than the other

It didn’t bother me in the first game I always flew in punching🤣🤣🤣🤣same in this one

It was a massive fail getting rid of the gadgets. They made combat dynamic and fun.You could uppercut a dude into the air, stick a trip mine on him, dodge backwards whilst another dude walked under him n got caught in the trip mine and they smashed together mid air. You could stick them on the walls and wait for goons to run over and one by one they smash into the wall etc etc They messed up

Stealth isn’t necessary but I liked having the option to sometimes go quiet and sometimes go ham.

Which is why I go in loud and proud

I cannot put into words how many things spider man 2 destroyed

It's like they knew stealthing was my favorite thing

I honestly forgot Miles’ had camouflage at several points