Spider-Man 3 - What Happened? 

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"if a director doesn't love something, it's wrong of them to make it when so many other people love it" I would love Hollywood to learn this lesson

THe birth of the Sandman was one of the best storytelling moments of the entire series..... and it turns out it's cause it was what Sam wanted to do in the first place. Sam Rami knew Sandman how to make Sandman, how to Direct Sandman, and how to visually show Sandman. if the Studio hadn't done so much micromanaging We might have gotten a Much better SPiderman 3

Sony: "This guy made us two blockbuster movies, let's mess with his concept! There's no way that can go wrong" I really feel sorry for the team. You can see the amount of love they put into the first two movies and even in the third, as much of a mess as it is, you can see the parts where they knew exactly what they wanted. It had tons of potential. If only Sony understood that they can't just force characters into a script like that... They could've just teased Venom at the end and make the forth one about him.

Honestly even though Venom was forced in, Raimi's original intended vision for Venom being something that very literally eats away at the person physically (which is why there is previs shots of a black suited Tobey seeing an almost alive version of it in the mirror) would have been an amazing way to keep the strong horror notes and define Venom enough even with the lack of scenes. You can still see notes of it in the final shot of the symbiote where it's all bony and trying to reform itself now Eddie's been pulled out, and I think that's also why it's the best Venom scene in the entire film by far, cos it clearly hints at something that could have been and also Venom is actually scary for that half second of screen time.

At first I wasn’t sure if you were going to cover the movie or the game.

I think the scene where Eddie becomes Venom at the church would've been an appropriate point to split the script, purely because it would make for an interesting cliffhanger and drum up hype for the big battle against Venom.

Topher Grace left That 70s Show to film this movie So not only did this film kill the first major spider-man film series, it also indirectly killed That 70s Show

I always enjoyed Spider-Man 3 despite it's issues so it's cool seeing it have a resurgence online as of late.

I feel like making this a two-parter would have been the best decision. Just make the first movie about the Symbiote Suit, end the movie with the church bell scene, setting up Venom for the main antagonist for the fourth movie. Hell, lose the "amnesia" plot and you could potentially have enough time for a better origin for the symbiote and let Raimi throw in the Vulture for his swansong before passing Spiderman 4 to a new director who loves the newer comics and gets Venom better.

"It was so awful, having been the director of Spider-man 3" It's ok, Sam. You were the director of Spider-man 2

The new Mutants is another perfect example of studio interference and meddling. I'd love to see a "what happun" of that

Nice to know No way home finally broke the curse of Spider-Man films having multiple villains turning out badly, and it only took them their 3rd try .

Since you mentioned Avi Arad (probably misspelled it) in the video, I think it’s only fair I mention that around the time Spider-Man 3 was being produced/coming out, the comic Ultimate Spider-Man had a story-arc where Sam Raimi was making a Spider-Man movie, and Peter gets mad because he thinks it’s kind of a dick move to do a movie about him; more importantly, Avi Arad actually appears in the comic and is portrayed as kind of a dumbass

It double sucks that 3 turned out the way it did, because it not only killed the Raimi series it ALSO killed The Spectacular Spider-Man series since Sony sold off their animated show rights to buy themselves time to get the reboot off the ground...

I remember being a kid and loving the first 2 movies, so I was excited for the third and saw it in theaters. When I walked out of the theater I was left feeling extremely confused at what I just watched and wondering why it felt nothing like the other 2 movies. As an adult, I love it for the memes.

The Spiderman action figure saying "I'm going to put some dirt in your eye" almost killed me for laughing too hard

Sam is one of the few filmmakers who has seen runaway success and humbling failure with a huge budget, and a non budget. He always bounces back tho and that’s why he stays winning.

It's great that, despite Spider Man 3, Sam Raimi's legacy is remembered fondly.

This is another story I knew everything about it going in, I've had this knowledge for about a decade now, with new details bubbling up every few years, especially after Sony and Avi kept doing new dumb stuff to further remind people. I always feel bad for Sam Raimi, because everyone knows him as a nice guy, and he legit TIRED with this, but the process and the backlash really affected him. Cut to now, he's doing Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, his second favorite character, and with Kevin Feige, a man who always had his back in those early days. Hell, Spider-Man 3 was Feige's last major Non-Marvel Studios movie before becoming the studio head, the things he had to go through with Avi Arad, Bryan Singer, and later Ike Perlmutter to get here. This story had a happy ending of storts, but with the antagonist still out there, planning for the future... Wait, Sony Pictures doesn't plan all that well lol

I wonder what Sam Raimi’s original version would of looked like? I think the film could of been really interesting if they stuck to it just being Harry and Sandman. it could’ve really played off the Spiderman 3’s theme of forgiveness and maturity. With Harry holding a grudge on peter for playing a hand in killing his father, and peter holding a grudge on Sandman for playing a hand in killing Uncle Ben. Furthermore, if you think about it perhaps this can coincide with Raimi’s vision to further flesh out his characters; Maybe Harry and Peter could now sympathize and further understand each other more with both of them holding grudges, their characters would both have the arc of learning forgiveness and leaving the last behind them. They could shown Sandman being a kind caring father and humanize him more. I know its stupid to think about what couldve of been, but its interesting food for thought.

Yeah with Raimi owning up to his part (and unjustly taking on more) of the blame, I not only am giving him the benefit of the doubt, but actively looking forward to his Dr. Strange

There was simply no room to flesh out Eddie or the symbiote with everything else going on, They should have just let Raimi make his version and ended Spider-Man 3 with Peter using the symbiote to defeat sandman and a part 2 picking up after that fleshing out eddie and Peter relationship with Peter discarding the symbiote and eddie getting it eventually leading to a showdown with venom and Spider-Man where it ends with Peter thinking he has gotten the symbiote from eddie but eddie somehow retaining or getting a peice back setting up his solo film

10:33 Topher Grace is actually a pretty big fanboy who does fanedits (including the Star Wars prequels and Hobbit films) as hobbies in his spare time, so it makes perfect sense to me he would instantly "get" how the fanbase would react to his Venom.

To be fair to Raimi, for someone who claimed they didn't understand Venom, he got the basics of the origin story down. And casting Topher as an anti-Peter makes sense, but Venom being a hulking beast is already very anti-Peterish. It's a shame to see how badly Raimi got screwed over during the production of this picture, it's even more of a shame to see how much he beats himself up over it. Dude directed two of the best movies of all time, he shouldn't hold this one stumble against himself. Either way, I'm sure he'll do great with Doc Strange 2. The fact that he's directing is the only real reason I'm excited for that movie. And hey, if Spider-Man 3 hadn't failed, we might not have gotten Spider-Verse or No Way Home, so there's that at least. Also, can we all just agree that the score slapped? And the black suit itself looked awesome!

Whoever directed the scene with Peter Parker Emo dancing through New York. They created something truly special and got referenced in the Into the spider verse movie the Peter in that movie didn’t like to talk about that.

So you’re telling me that the guy who convinced Kojima to dump David Hayter after about a 20 some odd years relationship is the same guy who put Spider-Man 3 (and other movies) on the fast track to shitsville; That’s incredible. Maybe Avi Arad should retire before he ruins into the spider-verse 2

I hate Raimi blames himself for the failure, it wasn't his fault, it was Sony's with their constant persistence of adding Venom and removing Vulture.

You know considering this movie came out the same year as Shrek the Third, The Simpsons Movie, TMNT and the first Transformers movie It really reminded me how... mixed that year was for big blockbuster movies

The “seeya later chump” clip never fails to make me laugh

As it is, Spiderman 3 is a messy hodgepodge with a lot of great ideas that's brought down by clear studio interference. But as a meme machine, its a friggin masterpiece.

The third Spider-Man game was so faithful to the films it followed their path of shitting the bed after an amazing second installment

It's always so humbling to hear just how much blood sweat and tears goes into this projects

8:43 Im currently studying film at college and I would like to say, a major what if here - firstly, though, for context, I recently rewatched Spiderman 3 and honestly, we give it crap for all the right reasons but its still enjoyable nonetheless. Here's where the what if comes into play: if Raimis carefully reread his script and rewrote it with key scenes from the finished script, combined it with the draft two parter script, we could have gotten a two parter out of this - as McMuscles pointed out. Now, follow me, in the final movie, when Eddie becomes Venom at the church, he emerges in the black suit as Venom, and then he lunges for the camera. That scene right there should have been the cut off of the film with a "To Be Continued..." it would leave audiences guessing on what was going to happen next and leave them speechless on the emerges of Venom.

Sandman was amazing in this movie. His transformation still sends chills down my spine at how prefect it was done. He could have done the same with Vulture and do it with black suit Spiderman. I think i would have had one of the villians almost kill him and knock him into a lab where the symbiote gets on him and you see hints its from space in the lab or on the news in the background. Have the symbiote have him fight Harry and almost kill him making him question the suit but not get rid of it.

Imagine Sam Raimi had full reign over Spider-Man 3. It would of been a perfect superhero trilogy.

I’ve been binge watching what happened videos since I found this channel a few days ago.

Sam Raimi have always been very outspoken about how much he detested Venom, and it clearly shows in this movie with how tacked on Venom's appearance is.

Here's hoping No Way Home learned from Spiderman 3's mistakes since both movies have a bunch of Spiderman's villains in them. Heck, Sandman's in both movies.

Spider-Man 3 wasn't the best in terms of overstuffing villains, but one thing it excelled at was tying various arcs from the past two films and giving them proper conclusions.

They should have just let Raimi do what he wanted, we would have gotten to Venom eventually

I remember watching Spider-Man 3 in the movie theater when I was seven and it single-handedly made Spider-Man my favorite superhero. Despite its flaws, I love watching it over and over again. I also watched No Way Home and I highly recommend it! Best movie experience I’ve ever had in my life.

Radioactive Spider Matt. Also no dissing Sky High on my watch Matt. That film is the awesomeness.

When they killed venom at the end, my friend insisted that Eddie Brock was still alive "because if there's no corpse he ain't dead" (given sandman's miday fakeout). My other friend and I really got on him for that because Eddie was vaporized, there is no possible corpse to leave.

I remember being in 5th grade and so excited for this movie to come out because the 2nd one was so good. Still liked it, but I learned not to overhype anything ever again.

Sand man in this film, is imo one of the best villain scenes ever. And his script was WAY too short. And was neglected. But I still love the films. Simply legendary.

I've been up all night watching old what happuns and you drop this gem 🙏

I recall hearing some "interesting" stories about Wesley Snipes and the Blade movies. Might be some "What Happened" worthy stuff there.

People on the internet back then: "Wow, these things are terrible things" People on the internet now: "Wow, Spider-Man 3/Amazing Spider-Man 2/Jar Jar Binks/the Virtual Boy/Snakes on a Plane/Batman & Robin/the Wii U sure were underappreciated things we now celebrate and pretend some of us all heralded in high regards!"

Am just glad it’s been public knowledge, for over a decade, that Spider-Man 3 was dragged down by studio inference and not Sam Raimi. He doesn’t deserve to be blamed for the way this turned out.

I’d love to see a what happened on Spider-Man 3: The Video Game

This show is amazing and you’re really cool. The amount of research you do for entertainment purposes is inspiring.

I've been waiting for this one, the Spider-Man film that stank of "Executive Meddling".

I knew it was going to be either this or Amazing Spider-Man 2. Sweet!

I personally loved Sandman, I felt his story arc was short but concise and say what you will about Harry´s redemption: The team up between spidey and the new goblin was epic.

Something No Way Home managed to do was make me not only appreciate Spidey 3 more, but the Amazing films as well!

While I understand Raimi's vision, I never understood the mindset of intentionally bastardizing a character the writer didn't like for an adaptation. Sam did it with Venom, Joss Whedon did it with Wonder Woman, Steve Kloves did it to Ron Weasley, and James Gunn did it with Scrappy Doo. If you want to include parodies, Team Four Star did it with Broly and Tifa. If you're going to do an adaptation, you should put your personal bias against a character aside and improve on what you felt was wrong with the character instead of making them a joke.

I recall the Spider-man animated series from the 90's, me and my brother would watch it every saturday when it was featured on 'Live and kicking' (A games/contest & cartoon show for kids) back in 1994/5 The advantage an animated show has it can take time to include characters, expand their character before their arc begins, this happened with Norman Osbourne, Curtis Connor (aka Lizard man) and Wilson Fisk. A number of these characters appeared episode or two before, or their arc was split across the series (connor was a reoccuring character) allowing them to develop their characters further. This was no different to Eddie brock, he's introduced as a rival, and is even quite imposing, but is only venom after Peter has had his run with the symboite. The difference between that and the movie is that the series had more time to develop that, also as well showing the symboite as a source that is dangerous, and not campy. There were too many villains in this. It's true fans wanted Venom, but Venom also needed more time to be setup. One of the reasons why Venom is popular is because he had the time to evolve from villain to a anti-hero, even within the show when he realised that Carnage was a vile creature, and even sacraficed himself in the end (leaving Parker to wonder in his monolouge ending about how people can still change for the better) Without all that Venom in the animated series itself would had been forgettable. Spider-Man 3 was never going to fully flesh out Venom, not with camp and with competing screentime with other characters. I don't think sandman himself was perfect, but you can tell he had a lot of character moments and sami saw how he can garner sympathy for the character via the special effects. A two parter probably would have worked, but if they were serious about having Venom in, they should had included eddie from the first film and have their rivalary built up over time (though you can argue there was enough of that with Harry Osbourne)

Man u playing my jam in the vid. The Ultimate Spider-Man theme makes me feel a certain way.

Raising the stakes every installment is one of the chief reasons why series die and reboots are so popular, giving the people more of what they wanted while resetting the power creep back to the start so it doesn't get in the way of more narrative-driven fun adventures of the characters people crave.

Man do I LOVE your "What Happened" videos. So good!

Sandman and Harry Osborn carry some of the BEST and more emotional moments of the movie, I wonder how this movie would've turned out if Raimi had more creative freedom.

Taking Venom out of this movie would make it infinitely better. Sure, there’s still a lot of undeniably dumb shit, but I believe Spider-Man 3’s biggest problem is how separated its two main plot lines feel.

Big ups for incorporating that bad ass MvC Spiderman theme into the video!

Honestly, massive props to Alvin Sargant for wrangling that film together the best he could. He was forced to make that script bloated as all hell, but he did manage to weave the unwanted Venom plot in pretty well with the personality change of Peter affecting every existing story like his relationships with Mary, Harry, and Sandman.

I love how Topher's quote about his worry is credited as "Eric Foreman" still

Now that you covered Spider-Man 3, perhaps you could cover The Amazing Spider-Man series. More specifically, Amazing Spider-Man 2.

even with all its short comings the movie is still entertaining to watch and id happily watch it again over most other early 2000's super hero movies that came out at the time.

Ive always been a spider-man fanatic, i went to see each one of those movies with my older brother since i was just a kid at the time. Even through the awkward moments of 3 i still remember enjoying it, especially toward the end.

I find it poetic that they used lizard and then vulture for new reboots which were the 2 villains being talked about for Raimi’s 4th movie, in my opinion proving how Vulture can easily be a better villain

while the film is definitely a mess personally I do have a soft spot for spider man 3 because it did really have things in it I really like(minus emo peter), it's a shame because some of the plot threads are really good but they got tangled up and not having a satisfying conclusion for them but moments like sandman' s birth showed the potential this film had to be great. Personally I found amazing Spider-Man 2 to be worse

Well there's one way they could have solved the problem Remy could have said" okay I'll introduce the black suit but whoever's directing the Venom movie to take the black spider suit off of Peter" I think that would have solved a lot of problems.

Something I remembered about myself as a kid and Topher Grace being in this movie. These films were coming out back when I was a kid, around 7, 9, and 12/13 for 1, 2, and 3 respectively. For whatever reason when the first two came out, I saw Toby Macguire and thought he was or was related to Topher Grace. I don't know if they just had a similar enough look, or demeanor/vibe but I still thought so. My family even called him Eric Forman as an in-joke to my silly kid mind making that connection. I then started seeing the differences and quickly realized that it wasn't Topher. Fast forward to 2007 when Spiderman 3 came out and lo and behold! Eric Forman was actually in the movie! The family In-joke got that much funnier to us. It was nice to remember and look back on this little piece of the past. Great video, Matt.

Loving the Ultimate Spider-Man game menu music in the background

I remember watching Spider-Man 3 in theaters and kind of enjoying it at the time.

Nowadays i think one of the worst thigks a work of art can be is forgettable. This movie is memorable as hell.

Your videos are se good. The script is amazing and the editing is also well done.

I love this movie and will continue to love it.

You know keeping Sandman as the main villain would have been really cool for the time. He had a lot of strange CGI effects that kinda work a lot even though he’s not always on screen, plus his story was pretty interesting at least in the beginning. Probably cliche nowadays but probably would have worked well for the time.

Sam Raimi is going to direct Dr Strange 2? this is the first i heard of this, now i'm definitely excited to see that movie. I'm so happy he will be able to have a take on both of the most famous Steve Ditko characters. I just hope Disney lets Raimi do his thing and let Dr Strange 2 be a "Raimi movie"

Loved the use of Spiderman 2 music and Bully Maguire. This was a fantastic Wha Happun. I really feel bad for Sam Raimi. Executive meddling needs to end.

This movie juggled 3 different villain storylines. The Sandman storyline, the Harry storyline, and the venom symbiote storyline. This feels like 3 different Spider-Man movies at once.

Tobey is still my Spider-Man.

I worked at the movies during the "2007 summer blockbusters" at the time. That was spiderman 3, Shrek 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean 3. I rememeber the amount of groans from guests of all three movies, but mainly from Spiderman and Shrek. I gave out so many refunds. 😅

I wonder if Vulture's inclusion in Homecoming was an attempt to give Sony a middle finger by the writers/directors of the movie by including the villain Sam had wanted for Spiderman 3, showing that indeed it would have worked. They could have very much been aware of the full story, and likely were to be fair.

"Little Goblin Jr... You Gona cry ?!" 🤣😂🤣😂

Do Fantastic 4 (2015) You should do that.

Gosh, I can only imagine how cool Sam Raimi's version of Vulture would be. Whether it was Ben Kingsley or John Malkovich, it would definitely be awesome I'm sure. Glad we got see him played by Michael Keaton at least in "Homecoming"

Technically the Lizard was next in line since they set that character up in multiple movies. A Vulture/Lizard film would have been fine, sounds like Raimi and the studio were done fighting each other.

It took me 2 years to realize you changed it from Wha Happun to What Happened.

Was it Sony? It was Sony, wasn't it? Damn it, Sony.

One episode of what happened always leads me to a spiral of like 10 more

It's weird they couldn't find a place to split the film into two. Unless they meant without re-writes. Seems like...obvious to have Part 1 be about Black Suit and end with its removal/taking over Eddie. And Movie 2 is the Venom story? I'm no filmmaker but...that seems like an obvious splitting point?? Have Sandman beaten by Black Suit in part 1 and have Evil Harry the side villain in movie 2 ?? You would have to write it but it would probably fix the balance issues and would make easier to re-write. Part 1 is all about revenge. And part 2 is just about the dangers of falling to that revenge darkness. Just my thoughts...

8:35 What? Its pretty obvious. When Peter tears off the suit and it lands on Eddie, creating Venom. After that, the fourth movie has Venom as the main antagonist. Fans were speculating that this would happen back in 2006/2007!

This movie is flawed but there's a lot to love

Never understood this logic executives have "This person/group have made hit after hit, making more money each time. For this new project let's take away control from them and force all this stuff on them"

You're right as always, breaking the script to two movies would have been far better even if Sam still let Sony have Venom. It wasn't having that many villains as much as that many origin stories that killed it. It appears there are 4 bad guys in No Way Home but since they aren't being rebooted, no need to expend narrative to have them there. Like, if you want to know more about them, stream the other Spider-Man movies to find out more (and give Sony more money).

I remember watching this movie when I was little. I had already seen the first two movies and I loved the third. This trilogy made me the Spider-man fan I am today

Still baffles me that even with Spider-Man being on the top again with the MCU, Sony still tried to put their hands on the creative side again. Amy Pascal pretty much saved Spider-Man by partening with Marvel because they were about to fuck it up again after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I feel bad for Andrew Garfield being caught on that mess, because he was an amazing Peter Parker and Spider-Man that was put to the side, so Sony could poop 73787433456 spin-offs. Thanks God Avi Arad is not involved anymore, after fucking up the same franchise TWICE, it was time to take him away.

I need to rewatch this. I remember liking it, but I was a teenager. With all the revived internet memes around it I could probably enjoy it still