SPIDER-MAN 4: How VENOM and HOBGOBLIN Can Enter The MCU | What's After No Way Home? 

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*Peter is at his lowest point in his life ,and the temptation of the symbiote's power is just prefect for this moment. I'm looking forward for the black suit arc in the MCU.*

I think it would be pretty cool if the Hob Goblin reused Osborns Goblin Suit that he left in No Way Home. This would also bring out Peters dark side even more because he would literally see the goblin in every fight which would make a darksuit even more fitting.

While I do feel like the Symbiote stuff will be done well, I’m also worried that it’ll devalue the role model that Andrew’s Spider-Man was to him. He literally told him that after the death of his loved one, he got rage full and bitter. If the symbiote causes Tom to go down that same path, there’ll need to be a scene of him reflecting and remembering what Andrew said to him and using his words to quell the symbiote’s influence, or else Andrew’s advice will have been pretty much thrown away.

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Can Disney just hire you as a writer already? I've seen you propose a number of different movie plot lines and they all sound excellent. This one is probably your best. Well done!

I was actually thinking the other day about how Ned doesn't have any friends now. An emotional storyline could be that Ned falls in with the wrong crowd and it leads him into becoming hobgoblin. And Peter has to deal with the ramifications of his choice of staying away from him and now has has to fight his best friend who doesn't remember him.

They have an amazing opportunity to name this movie. Peter finding his place in the world, fixing his reputation and fighting for the little guy that lost faith. All while showing of his movie references. SPIDERMAN IV : A New Home

This idea of Hobgoblin and Scorpion being villains is brilliant!

If they were to make Kingsley a mob boss & Peter’s nemesis, then he could have a certain someone as an employee to help make his gear & the other villains - The Tinkerer. He never got arrested in Homecoming. Can also have alongside him as fellow coworker the Jackal, Connors, Smythe, or Doc Ock to help create villains that have genetic mutations

*Another really interesting option for Agent Venom: The Punisher. He's a badass anti-hero, and with the Netflix characters starting to reappear in the MCU, it's entirely possible now. No idea if it happens in the comics, but it's a fun possibility.*

Spider-Man: Homeless would be the absolute perfect name for the movie, good shit man

In regards with the darkness, I could honestly see him wanting to kill kingpin or the villain of the movie, only to be lectured by daredevil on how its not worth it, IT WOULD BE AWESOME

I think hobgoblin should be Ned Leeds cause it would make peter’s villains very interesting, maybe like Ned finds out that Peter never retold Ned and he would get jealous. He already wasn’t bit by the spider he mentions in Homecoming he wished would have bit him, so he was Peter’s “guy in the chair”, the next best thing. But now he has none of it and Peter doesn’t want Ned to be his “guy in the chair” cause it’s too dangerous. So Ned wants to be something worth it in his own eyes so he turns into the hobgoblin, hoping to make a name for himself and hear from Peter that he is a great… Which Ned thinks is all he really wants but he actually wants vengeance

I like how you kept showing Esposito Giancarlo when you were talking about Kingsley, he's such a great example and one of the most fitting actors when it comes to antagonists.

Fair point but I think Fisk could still handle multiple heroes and rivalries and still work (maybe). Also, Spidey and Daredevil please. If Kingpin is a no and Kingsley is a go, bring in Tombstone and Hammerhead as well, as his homies. I'm curious to see their designs in live action.

Although I would be really tempted to see Hobgoblin in the MCU (perhaps as Ned Lee since they really loved teasing the idea) I do think introducing the Norman Osborn of the MCU could be really interesting (and instead of being played by William Dafoe this would be someone new but still the same Norman in his heart, maybe someone like Jason Isaacs). It would really introduce the idea of whether Peter can ever be free of Norman and whether we will see Green Goblin in the MCU and affect Peter on a psychological level, thus leading to Peter's darker inhibitions to lead to him getting the black suit. If they do introduce the Norman Osborn of the MCU then I would hope that they don't show him as Green Goblin and present how cunning, devious and intelligent Norman is and how he isn't defined by his identity as Green Goblin and can be just as sinister as Norman Osborn (similar to how incredibly intelligent and regal Lex Luthor is for DC), thus Norman could be working with Kingpin to create more crime and create more villains for Peter to fight (very similar to Tombstone's plot in Spectacular Spiderman).

Hobgoblin is the perfect compromise between getting a new actor to watch play Green Goblin and keeping Willem as the one main Green Goblin

Maes death made him uncurruptable in my eyes and the Spider-Men showed him the way to being a true Spider-Man. I don’t think the next set of movies will lean on the darker tone until he gets the symbiote.

5:15 Did you just say Peter dancing in the street was a mistake? Bruh.

Ever since the end of no way home and the introduction of the symbiote, my first thought was this is the absolute perfect point in time to do a black suit story for peter.

Agreed. Peter needs to deal with the afterman of people thinking he killed mysterio, may dieing and also more street level crimes again with one cunning/smart human boss to defeat

In the future movies I hope to see not before seen actions scenes with villains such as Kraven, Scorpio and so on instead of Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin etc. We need something brand new. Not even revisions of seen ones.

I love this! It's so cool to see how many options the comics offer the films, as far as what directions they might take in the future. It's probably unlikely that it'll happen, but I'm personally hoping for Flash to continue being a part of the next trilogy. We still don't know what his parents do, other than being too rich and busy to pick him up from his international school trips. I want to find out that his parents are in with the Kingpin (or are trying to make a move in the power vacuum). Maybe they hire the Scorpion, help give a massive social/financial boost to Kraven's public image, create the Hobgoblin, etc, whatever, no idea, BUT whatever they do, it'll give us a chance to see Flash as a more fleshed out character, torn between living up to the pressure of his family and his own personal ideals. And, heck, even without his family's mysterious status, we know that the comics had Flash as a host, so maybe that'll be the ending to the black-suit Spider-Man story, with Peter willingly passing the Symbiote to Flash -- saving him from a mortal wound, or creating an ally to take down the big bad, or to help him break free of his family's criminal doings.

The second caveat using Kraven is that he's being used in Sony's Spider-Man 2 on the Playstation 5. And considering Venom is confirmed in that game, too, I'm guessing they're already doing an adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. Doing it all in a movie as well, at probably roughly the same year as the game's released, seems a bit redundant.

Yesssss, bang on! Exactly what is needed now is for him to go to hims roots and be more down to Earth. He is on his own, we have had the origin in 3 movies now lets go forward with just Peter. Theres soo many villians out there!! I'd love Hobgoblin! Even Scorpion from first movie. Kingpin needs to be pulling the strings and we want Black Cat❤️

I really like this idea. Hobgoblin would be a great villain for the next movie. And having Black Cat as a paid assassin would be great!

I literally want to see this exact plot you came up with, from the Venom suite to Black Cat and Kraven the Hunter. It just sounds so good and I hope that we can get something like this.

YES, I was also hoping the next movies would be the Spectacular trilogy. That's a very solid story. I hope the bosses are watching

3 things I need in the next Trilogy 1. Kraven The Hunter 2. Venom 3. Hobgoblin/Black Cat

If they take any inspiration from the larger Spidey canon I really do hope they take some queues from Spectacular Spider-Man. Especially in developing the Peter/Spidey vs Brock/Venom story. Give us a couple of movies of Peter and Brock with a genuine friendship that's being strained under the weight of Peter being Spider-Man. I can see them using the Black Suit as a "crutch" of sorts. Lacking the technological advancements of the Iron Spider suit Peter thinks he needs an advantage to deal with the current villain(s) and starts using it to his advantage. Let him use it for the bulk of an entire movie before we even get hints of how it's corrupting him (probably in a post credit stinger where it's using Peter's sleeping form to go out and brutalize thugs) and over time he rejects the suit because of what it's doing to him and it gravitates towards Brock to bond over their mutual feelings of betrayal. I do like the idea of Spidey dealing with "Street Level" criminals but I think you still need good over the top Dick Tracy style gangsters to make a good Spider-Man vs the Mob story so yeah whip out Tombstone, Hammerhead, and the Enforcers. Have them contract with the remnants of Vulture and Mysterio crews to whip up some tech-villains.

That 90’s cartoon is still in my top 3 favorite animated shows I’ve ever watched. Everyone was in it at some point, the theme was catchy, they explained the multiverse with Madame Web, and he wore the black suit and saw what it did to him

YOOOOO Spectaculaaarrrr SPIDERMAN! That would be THEBEST mcu callback ever

So excited to see the future of spiderman in the MCU, and yeah seeing him in spiderman 4 which is just insane can't wait to see the venom symbiote latched onto his suit for what's in store.

*Hope we get to see a Venom and Spidey fight in a future movie. Andrew vs Hardy would be awesome.* 💪🕷🕸

I friggen _absolutely_ *love* this entire video/idea. It’s perfect

Well idk how I feel about Spider-Man needing the Venom suit vs Wilson Fisk. Idk why everyone is against Spider-Man vs World level threats but that's what he should use the Venom suit for imo

I would love to see a live-action version of Scorpion tbh!

Everybody is always saying “Kraven this” or “Scorpion that” but nobody is talking about what the fans really want- A stand alone Big Wheel movie

Very well said. Great concepts! Keep up the great work!

What a wonderful exposition! 👍

I believe that the next Spider-Man trilogy will finally build up the Sinister 6 in a perfectly, highly anticipated way.

I hope to see black cat, Peter needs a new love interest other than Gwen and MJ

Love it! I want everything you said to happen...

If a version of Tom Hardy is in the MCU I'm pretty sure the part of venom that stayed behind will recognize Eddie since is a piece of the venom from that universe making a part of that venom's mind remember his version of Eddie Brock

Since the mcu changes up things a lot, i wouldn't mind if they say gwen and harry's name correctly. It would be nice to see peter saying "gwendolyn" and "harold" or "theo" for each of them. I also wouldn't mind if harry became Hob and becomes a hero for a short time then gets brainwashed by the goblin and ultimately kill gwen.

Ned being the hobgoblin would be way better, think of how peter would feel fighting him once he finds out its ned

Thank a lot Ryan. Now I have that song stuck in my head again.

Ryan, this is PERFECTION!

The next movie can very well all about his inner battle with his power, the physical manifestation of what Aunt May’s final words meant and put it to an ultimate test. It could be that Hob-Goblin can be his next villain, but seems too soon. Maybe it could be ramping to his origin story as the known villain to Spider-Man being more of a criminal underbelly crusade making more enemies along the way. Could see the Shocker? He was teased at the end of Homecoming and could be like the 90s animated series that helps Peter become aware of sonic noise being what detaches the symbiote from himself 🤷‍♂️. Might be a while before we see the web slinger.

That sounds like an entire trilogy’s worth of action and character development not just one movie

I really liked this , very well planned and something that makes sense

You nailed it!

I hope we see a Spider-Man and Daredevil team up film

Who would you cast as (the other) Venom in the MCU?

Sir you completely nailed it 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Dude... your ideas are the best I've seen.... this needs to be Spider-Man 4

On the heels of Batman, Black Cat might be a tough sell. She was great in the comics though.

A while ago on another video I posted a comment stating I think Mac Gargan will become Venom within the MCU due to how Gargan in the comic books become Venom after Eddie Brock was temporarily separated from the symbiote. Then I conversed with another person who believes Ned will become Venom in the MCU due to what Ned said to Peter in the laboratory in No Way Home about not becoming a super villain and attempting to murder Peter (Tom Holland’s Peter Parker). I would like to add to that theory; Ned Leeds becomes Venom in the MCU after the symbiote temporarily bonds and is separated from Peter, then the alien costume bonds with Ned to become Venom, and then spawns another symbiote that will bond with Mac Gargan to become Carnage in the MCU which could lead to a Maximum Carnage based live action Spider-Man film. With this being said, a question must be raised; did Dr. Stranger’s spell at the end of No Way Home affect the symbiote left by Tom Hardy’s Eddie Brock/ Venom in a the MCU and the symbiote hive mind? We need clarification on this asap by Marvel and Sony. 💯✌🏿🤙🏿

I’d love to see hulky green goblin from the ultimate Spider-Man universe he’s just so goddamn scary and I’d love to see Harry come in with him

8:39 His voice here totally reminds me of elderly Biff Tannen in Back to the Future 2

Here' what l think feigi will do: -the mcu variant of norman Osborn not gonna be green goblin, they will instead make mcu variant the new head of shield or the dark avenger. -they will use hobgoblin in mcu instead of doing mcu version green goblin and it won't be ned. Kevin feigi is a very creative guy and he make everything work his way, he is the man with the back plans and his back up plans have back up plans.

Who do you think should be the villain in Spider-Man 4?

You are forgetting the broken Black Orchid necklace, and the Death Star. When Peter met with MJ and Ned in the diner post world amnesia, MJ was still wearing the broken necklace. In the before time it had sentimental value as it came from Peter. She still wears it, because the physical manifestations of Peter's existence haven't disappeared, merely the memory as well as the emotional growth engendered. Peter finds himself friendless at the end of the film, but at least he knows why. Ned is alone, but as far as he can remember, he always has been. There is a magnitude of experience between building that enormous Lego Death Star alone can with a friend. It's massive, intricate, requires a certain mind to complete, and cemented their bond. Ned took tremendous pride in the Man in the Chair persona, a pride in dangerous activities using high tech. Now none of that happened, yet how will his mind fill in the gaps? MJ without Peter and the looming anxiety of being around him - who might attack? Is he radioactive? - is more optimistic and positive. Ned, having bitterly constructed the Death Star alone, learning to rely on his own brilliance, that the world was a place without friendship - that Ned is not at all the Jolly Ned we knew, who would, frankly be ridiculous as Hobgoblin. New Ned, who we don't know at all, is dangerously different. What if he starts dreaming of the Green Goblin, not seeing him clearly but emulating on an unconscious level? Imagine you find out that you once had a close beat friend, that he stole that friendship away, imagine the rage? I'd pay to see that Hobgoblin, rather than Roderick Kingsley, some rando X gen. Have the actor hit the Marvel gym and a Kumail transformation in the next two years.

Very well said sir like I'm just imagining a movie like that and trust me it would be pretty amazing

I think it's much better that Ned becomes Hobgoblin. It's gonna be much more powerful if he tries to fight the newfound overconfidence from Venom when the life of his former friend is at stake, who doesn't even care about Peter, but yet Peter cares about him.

People keep forgetting about Mac Gargan who was introduced in Homecoming. He also wears the symbiote suit.

about the memory spell, they could pull a "50 First Dates", with MJ and Ned often dreaming about that random dude that went get coffee that one time

Welcome to screen crush I’m Ryan ere!! I always get exited to hear that!!!😆

*The franchise has SO many iconic Spidey villains that it would be insane to make Hobgoblin the main baddie again and again. Kraven, Scorpion, Chameleon, and many more exist.*

Oh wow your script is just perfect!

absolutely love this

I really like this set of theories that have been mentioned.

this was great! one thing....can you start citing the comics you useiin the videos the same way you do movies?! I'd LOVE to read these!

Leigh Whannell for directing Spiderman 4. Upgrade and Invisible Man… think he could do that black costume Spiderman justice.

14:08 Uncle Joey, like doctah!

You have sold me on another fantastic storyline!

0:37 "Spider-Man 4: Homeless" lmao 😂!

Great 👍 job. Great video 📹 👍 👏 👌 🙌

This is awesome!

Spectacular ryan . You never disappoint us

I actually do like the idea of Ned becoming Hobgoblin, perhaps not straight away, but further down. The whole 'everyone forgetting' thing may led Ned down a semi dark path trying to piece everything together, that paired with Peter already going down a dark path (add in the symbiote), the two could come in conflict in-turn cementing Ned as Hobgoblin, and this could be what helps Peter finally realise the path he is on (add in the whole church scene where Peter gets rid of the symbiote).

Love your ideas, you should pitch this to Marvel / Disney. 1 scene I’d like to add: At some point Spider-Man sees a magic portal open. A shadowy figure steps out and approaches menacingly. Spider tenses, ready to fight. Light falls on the newcomers face, who shouts out a single word: “RENT?”

Cricket Ryan! This is bloody brilliant! Marvel hire this man immediately!!!

Great ideas.

I agree with this video.

BRILLIANT!!!!

Since the first trilogy all about his growing up and becoming a man, the "home" monocur made perfect sense. It's the home trilogy. I want this next trilogy to be all about him standing on his own and showing the man he really is. So "spectacular" is a great moncur for this trilogy. And if we get it. The third trilogy would be the "ultimate" trilogy leading up to miles officially being handed the tile of spiderman

If Venom gets introduced it could go like this: - He's Eddie Brock, a schoolmate of Peter in college and a star football player but because of Spidey's battles, he gets injured and breaks his legs(like Flash Thompson's Agent Venom) and make him unable to play football anymore and he blames Spider-Man. - After recovering, he worked as a journalist to get intel on who Spiderman is and when Spidey gets rid of the symbiote, it made its way to Eddie and bond with it, becoming Venom.

Need a GOOD black suit story! Great humor in this video I’m laughing😂🤣!!! Love it!!

I actually got the Lord & Lady titles for a Valentines Day gift to my wife (and me). Cool sponsor! And thanks for the discount.

AWESOME JOB RYAN!!!!! Put the script together for MARVEL… you have my vote!

Love this idea! Really hope MCU takes note. Everything doesn’t have to be interconnected all the time

Don’t forget the potential option of Ned becoming Hob Goblin. I can see Ned becoming Hob Goblin due to forgetting his promise to come look for him once he remembers, Ned would feel betrayed and maybe want revenge.

This is exactly what people want! Genius!!

I love how The Scorpion actor(Micheal Mando) and the Tinkerer actor (Giancarlo) are both unforgettable villains from the Ubisoft Far Cry franchise...

This is great storytelling Ryan, it'll be interesting to see if Marvel are thinking along the same lines...

The next movie has to show us, the viewer the ramifications of the spell. If the decide to bring back the main cast it will show us the changes of MJ, Ned, Flash. For MJ and flash there won't be much of a change other then MJ not being close to Ned and Flash picked on Ned a lot more. But for Ned there will be a big change since the memories of Peter are gone, he becomes a guy with little to no friends, seems to have had a gave take relationship with Spider-Man. example Ned talked to spidy to hang out and agreed and peter shows. All those memories of hanging out are gone but the memories of him asking spidy are still there so in Ned mind spidy has been letting him down feeling bitter leading him to become hobgoblin

Mordo gathers some former members of the mystic arts, maybe some of Kalsylius's surviving members, if there are any, and even Ned from Spider-Man, and he talks about things like: Mordo: "Sorcerers break the fundamental laws of the universe. They claim to be heros and protectors, but what they really are, are just criminals with entitlement prowess. We have a world, where our enforcers do not even believe in what they themselves claim to uphold. They do not protect, they abuse. With the example of complete sancient totality that they set, it will be the downfall of not only them, but everyone in the entire universe. The total disregard of law and order will create total chaos to where the people question their methods of forcing the laws onto them while the enforcers themselves never answer to their sacred laws. Such distrust will trigger opposition, between the fairness of such practices. Using power such carelessly dangers and mutilates the lives of people. THEY MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS !!! THERE MUST BE A DIFINITIVE WAY OF PROTOCOL, WHERE LAW AND ORDER CAN STOP THE STRENGHT OF SUCH POWER FROM BEING ABUSED !!!!!" And Mordo builds himself an army, and they are like, "Yes ! To be called the "bad guy" for trying to stop you from making a mistake. It does not matter if you can control this power, or know how to use this power. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you SHOULD ! They believe that they are robbed of their choices, to be subjugated into an form of slavery, but such accusations a response was brought about because you have proven time and time again that you are NOT Responsible with your choices. Then such turns into a war over choice and freedom. Freedom with no consequences leads to chaos. Such is brought about here. Changing events and things to have a happy ending will be your down fall, for even if you do it to save lives, those lives were NOT yours to save ! 'What is' must remain. 'What was' must be accepted. Such is not the mindset of those clouded by dilusuion. They are willing to throw everything else away, because they are trying to play God !" And even Ned is like, ok he learns about the mind-wipe spell and he is upset, ans is all like: Ned: "You used me as if I'm just some pawn." Peter Parker: "No Ned. I did it to protect you, because I care about you" Ned: "No you didn't ! If you actually did care about me, then you wouldn't have done this ! You wouldn't have just robbed me of parts of my life !" Peter Parker: "I'm sorry Ned but I do care about you. You were my best friend. We knew each other. We spent so much time together, we did thinga together, and you are so important to me. You were so important to me that I just... I didn't push you away because I didn't love you Ned. I pushed you away because I did. And you should know, that time before you forgot about me, you knew that it was for the best." Ned: "... I guess I didn't know you as well I though I did back then either. Because if I had known that you were a selfish jerk then I would have never went along with that." Peter Parker: "Ned, I -" Ned: "NO !!" Ned: "If we were really so close...! If I was willing to die for you ! Then... Then you wouldn't have just pushed me away so easily like that." Peter Parker: "... It wasn't easy Ned." Ned: "Shut up !! You say that you care about me, but I see clearly now. You care more about being Spider-Man than anything else !" Ned: "thinking; [He claims to care, but he is just a guy who uses other people to fulfill his life of Spider-Man. Spider-Man is all that matters to him. He will use anyone he can to make Spider-Man succeed. He is a danger to everyone else. And THAT is why. Spider-Man must be eliminating !]"

I was thinking the same thing before u said it in regards to the actual fight, it should be dragged out into a part two