Spider-Man: Edge of Time - Miguel O'Hara Saves Mary Jane 

That film does make a lot of connections to prior media. Like the death Miles’ dad being a “canon event” began with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon followed by the 2018 game. Don’t know if it was on purpose but it works regardless.

Came back to this exact scene cause of the spider verse

Facts

@@ghostspider2056 Holy shit you're right i forgot that his dad died in the game too. Nice (i guess?).

I have a bad feeling that it’s gonna be Miguel Ohera who’s gonna kill Miles’ dad in Beyond the Spiderverse in order to keep the continuity intact, and since he still thinks Miles is an Anomaly, He probably won’t give a shit when Miles’ universe gets destroyed. But at the same time, Miguel becomes an Anomaly himself if he goes through it

wow

foreshadowing at its finest

@@koyrion I thought it was obvious tbf, it's voice activated and its Peter who talked so it was kinda on the nose

Wow that’s *amazing* 😁😁😁

Lmao

He'll have a whole redemption ark in the third film guaranteed. The writers know he's way too beloved to be left as a villain, even a misguided one. Miguel was always a jerk in the comics which is what made his character so interesting. He was an angry jerk with a vendetta who slowly matured and realized what it truly means to be called spider-man. His whole character is about evolution and personal growth.

@@hraefn1821 exactly. Miguel is an ass but he’s not a villain. He will have a realization and help miles in btsv.

I honestly want Edge of Time Miguel to come in and teach ATSV Miguel that lesson.

@@GMP1isReal yup cuz even he needed a reminder of what it meant to be called spider-man

​@@GMP1isRealInteresting idea but I'm about 99% certain that won't happen

They really are ducking spider man

I dont get it, can someone explain?

@@azazel673 in the recent spider man comic, Peter and Mary Jane got sent to another dimension where they this guy name Paul and then Peter get sent back to Earth 616 but he has to say Mary Jane, and he gets sent back he finds out that works on different time, and so one day him was like 4 years for them and that's why Mary Jane has kids with another man

@@Theonea883 4 years and 2 kids right? did she get over him in 1 month? They really are trying to destroy spiderman.

@@Theonea883 damn thanks for explaining! Cant believe mary jane couldnt wait for peter. Kinda disappointed in her

thats why I side with him and understand where he's coming from. But I also would want him to GO WITH MILES to save his dad

@@johnmivule-novabow8143 right now the big question is how they will save him. Even if Miles wasn't meant to be Spiderman, the Canon Model, Mile's vision of the future, and Miguel's reluctance to outright harm Miles show he is part of the canon. If he breaks it, his universe will unravel, taking everyone, and his parents, with it. And its not like Miguel hasn't been trying to find a way to cheat fate either, he said so himself. Miles ran in blind without a plan, but between him being stuck in different dimension and Gwen forming her team they now have some time to form a plan. So, part 3 is likely going to be Miles discovering a way to break or work around the canon that Miguel wasn't able to find. And of course helping Miguel work through a lot of unresolved trauma that he was dumping on both Miles and Gwen over his own mistakes and guilt. I suspect Spot may end up being the key to it. How exactly, i haven't the foggiest idea, but Spot is set up to be an integral part of the movie, he can tear holes in dimensions, and curiously iirc, Spot was the only character who didn't "glitch" when in another dimension besides his original. They're gonna do something with him besides just kick his ass.

@@skrubknight884 exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. Can't wait for part 3. Some people are worried that the "Power of Friendship" is gonna be the main theme in part3. Which im like, "its a kids movie, wouldn't suprise me honestly"

He isn't even a hero in his universe he is the solution to crime

@@johnmivule-novabow8143 "it's a kid's movie" God. Not that again

‘To earn the name, soiderman’

Honestly Miguel is more worthy of the name Spider-Man than Miles.

I love this game because of this

@@leohino9211 that’s Big Facts right there.

@@wesleygriffiths8748 Honestly in the upcoming movie I'm more excited to see Miguel get his overdue big screen debut.

yeah, you think its weird but probably assume its a weird password, only to learn later just how wrong it was

THIS 😭

“NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!”

@Hendrix King it's not really him. that's his older brother.

@@nibbanibba5064😂

Yeah they should try to help everybody but this whole thing feels like Flashpoint but instead of Spider-man having time traveling powers, they are able to know the future and change it. Saving one person can ruin the whole timeline but at the same time not saving them knowing they'll die feels wrong. Similar to how Indian Spiderman's world got that hole when Miles saved that one officer.

If Blonde Peter Parker is still alive, i bet he will scold Miguel like in this game

​@@catnoirlover1719exactly, he sacrificed himself to save a kid he didn't even know.

"I hope the universe doesn't end while I'm trying to save one person..." said miguel which that line relates more to miles

And like Miles said across the spider verse “y’all are going to let him die just because some algorithm said so you realize how messed up that is”

The dialogue in the game between Peter and Miguel is just amazing, and probably the biggest highlight of the game. Helps with having Josh Keaton and Christopher Daniel Barnes as the VA’s. Also that Miguel in the comics at times was a bit of a reluctant hero

Not really it shows that he is selfish because he wanted to save Mary Jane and whats right for him while Miguel was trying to save the whole future seams selfish to me

@@theosylvester9089 Yes how dare he ask for this one thing.

​​@@JohnnyBluegrave To be fair, if it was ur loved one that was in Mary Jane's position then u too would have done the same thing as well, so don't be hypocritical and try to understand 🗿

Oh boy I can't wait for Spider Verse 2

@@theosylvester9089 Humans can be selfish, Pete is an exception because he deserves to be selfish in this case. Bro sacrifices so much.

Yea shit was uncanny

Hoping for CEO Parker?

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Not what I had in mind but it would be kinda cool if it happened

That took me a long time to realize that statement

Indeed

I was like that sounds familiar

😟

Wouldve been better if you used "-edge of time miguel"

Multiverse in this case

Fr

Utilitarianism vs Kant

The Spot: hey

Fr

God dayum where can I read this?

@@fraughtmonster8 you can read the first comics online

It's not like Peter was that much of a nice guy before being Spider-Man either, he actually sounds like a super-villain in Amazing Fantasy

I mean peter parker didn't even stsrt as a nice guy ad he was selfish and was using his abilties asa gig on earn money and only start to learn once his uncle ben got shot which the person is similsr to the one he let go becausenit's not his problem.

@@spowden At least Peter’s nice enough to be nice to his family.

very tall futuristic building

I personally believe that Miguel from the comics and ATSV Miguel could not be more similar, but ASTV Miguel is stuck in his way for one entirely different factor which has always been a big part of Miguel's character: Guilt. Miguel, first of all, has massive control issues. His entire childhood he had a controlling dad (who threatened to beat his mom and brother if miguel got out of line) and his mom wasn't much better, let's face it. And even when grows older, miguel still feels he is being controlled by the people from his job at alchemax (to the point he later goes on to fight alchemax). Miguel by now has learned to do everything himself and depend on others the least amount possible, because this kind of life has made him a perfectionist. He has a pretty big fear of failure, and he feels so much guilt when something gets fucked up that it feeds his need for control. He wants to do everything himself because in his opinion, if HE does it then he can minimize screw-ups as much as possible. Now normally this would be fine-ish. It's not as extreme as it is in ATSV. But that's where Gabriela comes in. Miguel decides to put his own happiness first for once, and it goes SO horribly wrong. It's not just Gabriela dying, mind you, that's a whole UNIVERSE aka millions of people on HIS conscience, all because HE made a *mistake*. This greatly accelerates his perfectionism and sense of guilt by a metric ton. He CANNOT afford to make mistakes, because to him that feels like he's failing people all over again. Hence, the need for control GROWS. And so does his anger, which stems from his inability to do so. Miguel clings onto canon events like he does because if things really were set in stone, that makes predicting and controlling future situations all the more easy. And then comes Miles. This kid he can't control, who won't listen, and is trying to call into question the very thing that is upholding Miguel's sanity. So he gets, predictably, PISSED, and we all know what happens next. Miguel's entire spider-society is based on absolving himself of the guilt he feels. He's not a different character, he's just the same character who got put through so much he's completely lost himself to his work. Because SPIDER-MAN was the thing that got him free from alchemax. Saving people helps him feel less useless, and above all, less guilty. Yeah so this became an essay, i'm sorry for putting you through that, if you've read it all. But that's my two cents on the matter on why i think they're the same.

They are the same character, but ATSV Miguel witnessed an entire universe die because he wanted to be happy with his family, so he’s insanely bitter

@@acc314 huh… Never thought of it like that Thanks

⁠@@acc314okay so having read some comics and now returning I can confidently say: it makes sense but also no. Something similar happened to Miguel in the comics where Nueva York was flooded (Thanks to Namor) and Miguel didn’t radically change his character to what we know in the movie. I guess he could’ve changed and it would’ve made sense but in the comics Miguel doesn’t become movie Miguel. So either movie and comics Miguel are two completely different people or they are similar for the most part but they both took different paths based on how they handled such a loss.

I know hearing that makes me realize that this 2099 and the spiderverse 2099 are the same when it comes to saving people because they’d rather let them die for the greater good but then they’ll have to realize that being spiderman is saving others and doing something instead of nothing

The slightly asymmetrical webbing is just *mwah* chef's kiss

See? Even someone knows it's not a Canon event!

Plus the consequences of said outcome were pointed out as well. In the game , losing Mary Jane made that Peter become the evil CEO of Alchemax and in Earth-42 Miles losing his dad ended with him becoming the Prowler

​@@ericstreeter3540 earth 42 miles was meant to take his dad's death as motivation to become spiderman just like how he did in the comics

Just so we're clear spidermen are also smart and they also know 1 person's life is meaningless when the entire universe is at stake

Exactly. "Breaking the Canon" is a pretty dumb plot imo. But the whole reason why Spider-Man does what he does in the first place, was that Uncle Ben died BECAUSE he did not do anything and swore to never let that happen again. Not because of some dumb "it's part of the canon" thing.

@@tunuper773 well the canon is(not intended pun here) canonical to the comics as the spider verse itself is a fate thing. Plus the incursion and destruction of multiverse thing also exists in all marvel media

I know right? Miguel is so conflict in spiderverse, in this game he saved MJ, changed the future and even joked about destroying the universe, Miguel in spiderverse is very cautious about safety of the multiverse.

If the game version was in spiderverse then he would have stopped animated Miguel entirely.

well miguel didn't have a real teacher like miles to teach him how to be spiderman after all tragedies happend in his life so hopefully in the next movie he will be taught by peter.

@@ophuonghoang_9a638 real teacher like 'miles'? Are you serious?

​@@samaymeshram8842Miles had Peter B

Bro don't mention that mfs name💀

​@plankgang5973 it's sad but true I hate him too

I know exactly what you mean

Everyone in the 2099 timeline says 'Shock' which makes it better. It's supposed to be a normal thing there.

Maybe it's the 2099 version of swearing

It basically the 2099 version of "fuck" Like fr

Its like Batman Beyond where Shway is how people say cool now.

He’s era is far more advanced than ours wonder what they call communications in the future

@maan Charles so is he in the same world as Peter or is 2099 like a world or something Because if it’s just a year for him that would mean he’s just the future spider man so where’s Peter in 2099 (I probably worded that super wrong)

We could be more advanced than cell phones

@@lTSVlBE the games is called edge of time so I assume same universe

@@lTSVlBE Spoiler for the game, Peter from 2099 is the final boss of the game

no that's literally just how miguel is. hes kind of a dickhead spidey sadly

Makes sense too. This scene perfectly contrasts both Miguel's and Peter's personality. Especially when he starts to argue that "the future depends-". Just swap future with mutiverse and you got Across the Spider verse Miguel

so I hope that means Miguel will change his theory in the next movie & help miles save his dad ...that might be too much of a "disney" ending but after what happens in this game, it could happen I would also love to see miguel's trauma resolved or see him cry etc. he needs to let all that out lol

Mary Jane dying isn't canon!!!!!!!!!

Canon event

I would pay big bucks to see it.

He's in the next into the Spiderverse movie so that is something

Across the spiderverse

Maybe even a solo Spider-Man 2099 game

Much like we need a Miles Morales movie, WE NEED A MIGUEL O'HARA MOVIE.

indeed. It is hated a lot, but imo the game is still great, even with it's flaws

I loved them, just wish the challenges on those levels were easier.

Wut?? Where did she roast Peter?

@@PeterParker-jz8eo at the end when Miguel was finishing talking to Peter.

​@@Bigzoe202GamingHow was that a roast? She basically complimented both Peter and Miguel.

😵

The fact that is still relevant now makes me appreciate both so much more

I’m certain this Peter would manage to get through this Miguel. If not him then both this Peter and this Miguel together

I wouldn't say second best, as this game didn't have freeroam, but I'd say Web of Shadows would take second best. I actually never played Edge of Time because it didn't have freeroam, and I thought that was lame, but the game ended up being surprisingly good from what people are saying, so I missed out. EDIT: I also get this game confused with Shattered Dimensions a lot idk why xDD

@@darthnutsack6717 web of shadows was lacking in the spiderman characteristics. in that game he is a jerk and doesnt act like peter himself. i feel like his whole character was thrown out the window.

@@trle964 Well, we're both entitled to our opinions. I just don't like any spider-man game without freeroam. I'm glad you enjoyed this game though!

@@darthnutsack6717 thats true and thanks! i did enjoy it :)

@@trle964 Can't wait for Insomniac's Spider-Man 2!! It's going to be amazing!!

Bro forshadow. They just took inspiration from this

@@Cho0segoose Spiderverse actually was influenced by the actual comics, none of these games lol

​@@agtl3168You know Shattered Dimensions was what inspired the original Spider-Verse comics event, right?

@@agtl3168 Miguel's theme in Spider-Verse is literally his Shattered Dimensions theme. A video game

@@spowdenactually it was the 90s cartoon I think when carnage tried to destroy the multiverse that was the first spiderverse crew with the rich Ironman spiderman it looks like a dope crossover but I can’t find it anywhere

But didnt miguel appear in the 616 continuity and was trapped for a while in the "present" when the whole superior spidey thing was going on and even when peter came back? I think recently he was just sent back to the future.

I think they're both good. Miles is a good immediate successer while Migual is a great far future one

To be fair, dude is literally almost a century in the future, Miles would luckily be an old man by then, O'hara is just the next successor

Miguel has always been a better successor than Miles he lives up to Peter in everything even in terms of genius and most importantly he has a totally opposite character to Peter, I'm delighted that across the spiderverse did him justice but now I want to also in live action and above all I want insomniac to create the Marvel Spider-Man 2099 game

Exactly bro, Miles is such a blank slate, even with the spiderverse movies, we already have seen that from a version of Peter already

And then all the conflict is lost when the obvious good guy side is proven right and harmless.

facts fr, only wish that Miguel and Miles help each other save their loved ones in the next movie

@@SteelSpurs they are both good guys

Chill

Yes.

Let's hope for it mate

What do you mean?

@@JC3178 Essentially Miguel's morals in this scenario and ATS are all about saving and preserving the future or 'canon' even at the cost of one life. Peter, and to this extent Miles, don't believe in this because while sacrifice is important to becoming a better "Spider-Man", if there is a chance that everyone can be saved and no one should have to suffer, it is a chance they should take. Because that is what it means to be "Spider-Man"

@@itsjordan9680 oh yeah, I saw the movie, I was just unsure of what he meant by his mind changing on Miguel’s morals. I did find it weird though how all of those Spider people were onboard with the whole idea of letting your loved ones die. Sure, some of them opposed the idea more than others, but the majority were willing to do it. Doesn’t seem like a Spider-Man quality to me

@@JC3178 Looking back on it, they seem to have been fooled by Miguel's notion of "maintaining the canon". There's no better explanation as to why but that's what I saw. Also I think only a select few Spider-People closest to Miguel were in the room with the main characters. The rest were outside the building and they only chased Miles cause just cause Miguel said to.

@@itsjordan9680 decent enough explanation I guess. Hopefully they flesh things out a bit more in part two

Since in the 2099, "shock" replaces most swearing words like "damn" "f***" and etc.