Spider Man: No Way Home - Caravan of Garbage 

I think the biggest takeaway from this trilogy, what we should remember the most, is that James had a grand time in Italy.

I loved when The Lizard said, "I have a reptile dysfunction!"

I never understood his catchphrase "I'm the Lizard and I live in a van" until this movie. So props to them for that.

Marisa Tomei is an anagram of "itsa me, Mario"! Can't believe they never mention it on any of the 3 spidertrivia hometrivias :(

I would have given this movie 15/10 if the Lizard wore a lab coat for the majority of his screen time.

I still remember hearing people in the theater burst out laughing when the movie ended with "Dedicated to the original true believer...Avi Arad". The absolute brass on Sony to end this using a classic phrase from the deceased Stan Lee to compliment a living man who famously damaged prior Spidey movies with his interferences.

"They visit the train from spiderman 2" "oh the famous secret train laboratory?" Brilliant

"They got rid of the You Killed Mysterio plot in 8 minutes." And the "Don't tell Aunt May" plot in one minute.

Movie is nowhere near as awful or amazing as the two warring sides on Twitter keep screaming it is. There's nothing dumber than how Sony handled that Vulture scene though.

I love when they leave in James gasping for air

Nothing to do with the quality of the movie but Garfield’s delivery of “Peter 3!” is incredible

"Say the line, Bart." BART (sadly): I'm something of a scientist myself. YAY!!!!!

I’m just looking forward to what James and Maso have to say about Madam Web

I think that the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" line from May still works, it's just a slightly different lesson. It's not so much that Peter mustn't fall to hubris and use his powers selfishly or suffer the consequences, but rather an assurance that he was doing the right thing. That even if it's hard, he has the power to shoulder that burden, and thus, it's his responsibility to do the right thing no matter the cost to himself. Ben's death was due to act of selfishness, whereas May's was due to selflessness.

Honestly it’s a surprise this film is as competent as it is if you look into the making of it, actors weren’t signed on until week of filming, constant rewrites, covid precautions and Sony moving this before Dr Strange 2. Ultimately it works for me as Holland still has a personal story and the cameos are handled well, so I can look past the weird parts like Ned having powers and the whole moving having a weak set up that could be solved in a conversation between Peter and Strange

Maso is spot-on about the writing being like 15% too weak. Imagine being told you’ll see the return of the two previous Spider-Men in this movie - how do they make their entrance? A grand rescue? A surprise attack? Some kind of character-exploring smart plot turn? Nah, they stroll into a grandma’s CGI living room. Just stand there. Applause. Like a sitcom. Cool. Womp.

I remember when the movie wasn't out yet and everyone was theorizing about why Dr. Strange would suddenly do something as stupid as almost destroy the multiverse for a kid he barely knew. Like maybe it was Evil Strange from What If... Turns out, nope, he really is that stupid.

It’s funny how we’ve never gotten any good Doctor Doom portrayal but Willem Dafoe nailed it as Green Goblin so hard twice I can’t imagine or want anyone else in the role. A Dark Avengers movie with him in it would be perfect.

When they inserted the big gap after the “I’m something of a scientist myself” I genuinely thought my video froze

The interactions between the villians was my favorite. Especially between Electro and Lizard. The moments between all three Peter Parkers were awesome.

"cause my check just cleared" masons so quick 😂

The fabled Airbender COG 😮

I think the 'great responsibility' line still works, because May is telling him it wasn't a mistake to try and help the villains, even though they betrayed him. He has a responsibility to do the right thing, even if he suffers because of it. As for 'saving' the villains and returning them to the moment of their deaths... Yeah I have no idea.

Dr.Strange got that Lego figurine hair in this lol

This movie isn’t my favorite, but I love the moment when Toby and Doc Ock have their little conversation at the end “trying to do better”

Crazy how Mason's half-baked rewrite actually makes so much more sense...

Spiderman not looking down and seeing Hawkeye and Kate Bishop deal with the tracksuit mafia is wild 😂

I understand where James and Maso are coming from… but I love this movie so much

I hope they do take this opportunity to have Spiderman face some of the lesser known villains instead of the same old ones. Bring on the Corn of Cobblin battle!

Off topic, but I would really love to see a video from Ben and or Lawrence on how they put these videos together. The sheer number of references and small relevant clips is nuts.

Is James even aware of the SpongeBob breathing running gag? I genuine hope Ben and Lawrence just sneak it in and he doesn't notice.

They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits But you know who else deserves a big thank you? LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her partner (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth Arad, on the other hand, just wanted to use the movies to sell toys

The way Ned discovers he has magic powers is so fckn silly

The bit at 2:34 killed me 😂 that was golden😂 "Don't leave me in the moribus universe"

I think its completely within character for Dr strange to cast a spell out of hubris, fuck it up, then blame someone else. Especially a kid who will most likely take the blame for it. The movie isnt perfect but I think its fun and it's a miracle that a movie film under the conditions this was filmed in is even coherent

So we’re just gonna ignore the spectacular edit at 16:27 of James’ deep breath???

I really hope to see more small-scale Spider-Man stuff going forward. As much as I love the Spider-Verse movies and the Insomniac games, they can be a little too much at times. I'd love one where the world or multiverse isn't at stake, or someone isn't going to blow up New York.

The Spongebob breathing in near the end killed me off, bloody got em

Honestly Dr. Stranges vague American accent might as well be from Wyoming, Montana or Idaho...

tThe pause after "something of a scientist myself" at 17:20-something and then telling Ben to leave a pause was a Class A joke. Bravo.

Bloated villains dragging down the final film seems to be a canon event with Spidey movies

I don't know if you're going to cover this, but I'm almost certain this movie is why people went into Multiverse of Madness thinking that the cameo characters were going to play a bigger role in the movie.

Fun fact: as shown in this video, the box thingy that Peter and Strange fight over was actually just a green box. It also featured the return of Green Goblin. And not to mention that this was (probably maybe idk) the most ecologically friendly blockbuster Spider-Man movie. Therefore, “Trivia-Man: No Way Trivia” is also known as “Green Trivia”

Ben and Lawrence violating James with the spongebob breathing Pic. 😂

I grew up with Tobey but not gonna lie, Andrew became my favorite Spider-Man. I really liked the chemistry between him and Gwen. Of course them dating IRL helped.

I’d much rather see Spider-Man team up with characters like Black Cat, Daredevil, or Deadpool than bring the Spider-bros back. Every Spider-Man film doesn’t need to be Spider-Verse.

When you were talking about Hobgoblin and alternate Goblins I was expecting a Corn of Coblin mention.

I love James and Maso not realizing they’re talking about different trains from different Spider-Man 2s at first

Not a perfect movie by any means but this came out on my birthday and as a life long Spider-Man fan, seeing this with my friends was the greatest gift I could ever ask for. I mean I was born in 2001 and grew up with the every single piece of Spider-Man content I could get my hands on, he was the superhero that got me into superhero’s. Andrew Garfield is also without a doubt my favorite incarnation of Spidey and it was so heartwarming to see him back, as well as Tobey. And the fact we got them all on screen together is still crazy to me and something I think we all need to appreciate a little more 😂

Tobey: Perfect socially awkward Peter with a heart of gold. Andrew: Spiderman and all his charisma Tom: The perfect balance of both. It's so great seeing all these guys perfect who they are and seeing them play off each other.

Wow Masons simple change to the story makes it so much better

Tobeys suit looks incredible. No cgi necessary

14:23 “Outside the ‘NORM’. Like, mayb… ‘NORM’an Osborne.” 💡🔥 #Bars

Regarding Maso's assessment of great power comes great responsibility and the prior two movies- I get why he cites to them, but neither have lasting, weightful consequences in the classic comic sense of "Parker Luck." Liz is never heard from again in the next two films, and Peter never shows any sadness about the breakup post-Homecoming. In Far From Home Peter gives up the glasses and then has to get them back to destroy them, and the movie ends with his identity being revealed publicly; while the climax certainly handles the consequence of giving up the glasses, the reveal of Spider-Man's identity doesn't feel as consequential as one would expect it to feel (yeah he's booed a few times in public and gets a rock thrown thrown through his window, but his friends are probably off to college fine and the Damage Control stuff seems to have minimal impact on the plot). Personally I thought losing his two best friends was a meaningful thing to happen to Peter that will likely carry significant weight into the next movie.

You don't think Spiderman screwing the spell up, stealing the magic box and trapping Dr. Strange is irresponsible? Am I to believe that is these guys main problem with the movie?

"G'day boys I'm Uncle Ben. I'm on me back!"

I always thought the lesson for this movie was, Peter finally standing up for himself and making his own decisions. I saw his arc being what happens when his good deeds end up having bad consequences, and aunt may the one adult who encouraged him ending up dying made her death impactful

I think people overthing the whole "forget about peter parker" thing. He isn't erasing himself from existance, people just forget him. He still would have his name on paperwork and stuff, but people would just be like "huh, i don't remember this, oh well"

Hilarious that Mason refers to J. Jonah Jameson as Alex Jones. 🤣🤣🤣

The Megaman jumps at 11:40 were amazing. Great job Ben and Lawrence.

I honestly fucking love Ben and Lawrence's editing so much

My hands are raw from all the applausing

The Spongebob *INHALE* 😂😂😂 WAS THAT YOU BEN? LAWRENCE??? the disrespect 😂

Spider-Man: Homeschooling. Where he has to study to pass his GED test.

Kevin Feige already said the MCU would not have versions of villains seen in previous movies, and it's why NWH used the Multiverse to "bring them into the MCU" (briefly). So MCU Spider-Man isn't gonna meet an MCU Curt Connors, Norman Osborn, Max Dillon, Flint Marko or Otto Octavius. At least, that's the plan. If recent history has taught us anything it's that plans change.

17:32 you say that and you instantly demonstrate that they DO know. The GED is an NIC (nail in coffin)

The biggest lesson I’ve learned watching the MCU for all of its entire existence is that an interconnected universe is hard to do when you constantly have things in creative limbo rather than just having preplanned films and stories and sticking with it . Once it started making a Disney a lot of money they only seemed to care to replicate the success and not realize the success was due to any proper planning. The later MCU films and projects don’t work on second viewings is bc the illusion is obvious. It’s obvious they don’t really have these ideas planned out and that they constantly make reshoots and re-edit them to make the most amount of money

I'm pretty sure Peter had a GED because he erased his whole high school existence

I will always be fond of this movie because of the cinematic experience I had in the theater. But the excitement and surprise cannot be replicated. I have watched it a couple times since the hype and I have enjoyed it still, but I totally see what you mean by it breaking down in the writing. The place it left us at though could give us a great upcoming Spider-Man movie that we can all love. As long as Sony is mostly hands off.

I miss the days of the more obscure caravan of garbage episodes. Can we get some of those?

I think we can all agree that Dr. Strange acted like a responsible adult by trying to erase everyone's memory of Spider-Man, not explaining anything to Peter before he started and then blamed Peter afterwards when he distracted him with basic questions about the spell.

My biggest thing is this shouldve been a two-parter. End the first one with Tobey and Andrew showing up, then open part 2 with showing their POV in their universes and how they got transported. Then we couldve gotten a whole movie of them all together instead of just extended cameos. And we also wouldve gotten a peek into the state of their universes and what they've been up to all these years

You guys must’ve missed it…Peter actually did disrupt the spell by talking and adding names to the spell which Dr strange clearly told him to stop or something bad would happen. So maybe it’s a 50/50 fault

Mason has a quote I use all the time from his rise of Skywalker review: “For some people, this checked all the boxes, for others it feels like it’s just checking boxes.” I feel that applies to a lot of movies

My theory is that, in some early stage of this movie, Tobey Macguire’s Peter Parker had given up Spider-Man to parallel Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man giving up Peter Parker. Tom Holland’s character arc (along with all three Spider-Men) was learning a balance between their two halves. I think this is why Tobey Macguire shows up in street clothes and why there is a weird insert shot in lab of Andrew Garfield asking where his suit is. Of course, Tobey would wear the suit in the final battle once he learns to embrace that side of himself again. What makes this odd is that Andrew Garfield’s parallel arc seems still intact. He learns that Peter’s emotions is what makes him a hero and that’s paid off from saving MJ. Meanwhile Tobey’s arc is virtually nonexistent. My guess is that either Tobey or test audiences didn’t like hearing his Peter Parker gave up being Spider-Man, or they didn’t want comparisons to portrayals like Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi who had a similar arc that was divisively received.

"A lot of people have probably read this book." Lmao

"he's got a touch of the Sam Raimi's" is my new phrase

14:15 I appreciate how meta this clip is. Thank, Ben 🫡

16:42 people don’t remember who *Peter Parker* is.

When Andrew was talking about his lizard being curt connors and Tobey doesn't chime in with "I have a curt connors who's just a normal dude"

Maso presents it like a plot hole, but why would it matter that the entire world forgets who Peter is? If you got for a job or a medical or whatever and you have the paper work with your name on nobody is going to go “Wait a second, I’ve never met you before… This is suspicious!”

1:12 is my new favourite mason moment 😂

I’d argue what you do is an MCU green goblin shows up and tom automatically assumes its Norman so keeps going after norman, making him look villainous, only for it to turn out to be Harry. And so tom apologies but then maybe it turns out it really was norman and he manipulated everyone into thinking it was Harry spectacular Spider-Man style.

I think I saw this movie 3 or 4 times most of them was the theatrical cut but I also saw the extended cut during it’s limited run. I love this movie as it took my childhood Spider Men (Tobey and Andrew) with their villains and mixed with Tom Holland’s MCU spider man into a highly entertaining movie that I’m not gonna lie made me cry

If it’s Madame Webb on the podcast next week, does that mean Snake Eyes is going to have to get pushed back to the following week?

I think it made sense that Aunt May offers/reiterates the "great responsibility" lesson because Peter was questioning his whole cure decision and about to go on a murderous, revenge spree against Goblin.

althought i will say, my favorite detail of this movie is great: When Peter asked Dr. Strange to let MJ remember he's Spider-Man, Strange had already added one of the bands to the spell that would let someone remember Peter. Stephen was gonna let himself be the one to remember Peter🥲🥲

Remember: Aunt May died cause Peter didn’t want to go community college

Shoutout to Ben for sneaking his sibling into the edit

The idea of Peter stealing the book from Doctor strange would just make him look way immature basically a criminal😂.

Thought my internet went out with that long pause lmaooo

this is week 7 of me asking mr sunday movies to watch bridget jones's diary

Look I’m just gonna be the one to say it, they don’t send the villains back to the moment they die. That is a misunderstanding on your part

This film definitely felt like it was trying to address the "complaints" (Some valid, most weren't) of the "Not MY Spider-Man" crowd and fell flat because of it.

Every time I watch this movie I applaud uproariously alone in my living room, if the movie didn't have those breaks I would miss half the movie, think it through fellas

Thank you for leaving the ASMR licking to Venom.

AWESOME THE SPIDERMAN COLLECTION IS ALMOST COMPLETED!!!

The editing at 10:56 is gold.

The Tom Holland impression always cracks me up 😂

As a cynical old who finds it increasingly difficult to enjoy new media and connect to it in any heartfelt way, I wish I had gone to a theater for this one. I did deeply enjoy it but I think this would have been one of the few that could have been semi-worth the Covid risk to enjoy. Maybe.