As a Halo fan who witnessed the championshi in '02, I will always remember the ones who passed away before that time! That experience in '86 defined the Angels for what seemed an eternity!
The team not only seemed jinxed on the field, they had several tragic episodes off the field, Lyman Bostock being the most tragic one. Chico Ruiz was another.
As a Giants fan and a baseball fan, I do well remember 2002, but I remember the other years, as well- 2010, 2012, and 2014 for the Giants. I was also there at Anaheim Stadium for Game 5 of the 1986 ALCS. It was an incredible game. It is also a reminder of how fragile and tragic life can be. I think that you cannot really enjoy the success of sports without having to deal with it’s heartbreak, too. It is also quite different for fans versus players.
This is the 1st time I'm ashamed of being an Angel's fan. I was only 7 years old and my dad always told me that Moore didn't lose that game. The team did. So sad....fans need to learn that these men are human not f#$#&$# robots!!!!! Bless you ms Moore for opening up to us. God bless you. 2021
Jr A "I'm ashamed of being an Angel's fan" Why? What did YOU do? What terrible thing did you do at 7 years old that led to his committing suicide? You need to cure that illness you have called White Guilt", and learn to apologize for the things you actually do.
I still have a Donnie Moore autograph that I got during a game at Angel stadium in a angel topps yearbook of sorts that they gave away.....all these years later he has always been a memory of mine getting him to sign it on the 3rd base line before the game!
A few observations: 1. If your closer blows a game that leads to losing a League Championship or a WS, trade him. Right or wrong, the fans are going to boo him mercilessly no matter what. Thus he's not going to be as effective for you and it's better for both parties he gets a fresh start with another org. 2. Donnie Moore didn't lose the LCS. The team did. The Angels blew a bases loaded chance in extras. Also, Gene Mauch should not have lifted Witt with 2 outs. After the Baylor homer, he was on a roll. Sure Gedman was 3 for 3, but he wasn't going to keep that up. Lose with your ace and Witt was that. 3. Donnie had some other demons. The fallout from that fateful pitch is what pushed him over the cliff.
Keep in mind that in 1982 Mauch had left Luis Sanchez in to face Cecil Cooper even though Andy Hassler was ready to go. This time Mauch went for the kill because he knew Gedman’s chances of homering off Lucas were not good. I don’t second guess that move. Had he left Mike in, I’d have been ok with that too.
There's so many tiny pieces to this thing aside from the HR. DeCinces and Grich were overanxious, Mauch was feeling memories of '82, Moore was being pushed while in pain. Jim Rice robbed Gary Pettis in the 10th inning of a game-winning HR at the top of the wall. But the biggest might be in the 9th, while the Angels were tying it. If Wilfong had taken 2nd base on Evans' throw, he would've scored on Schofield's subsequent single. Game over. But alas...
People talk about how low Moore’s splitter was but it actually fluttered. It had a hump. It needed to drop about 1 foot or 2 before the point Henderson hit it. Frankly, Henderson looked late on several pitches. Maybe Donnie should have gone up the ladder.
Peter Gammons was incorrect about Doug DeCinces swinging at a "bad 2-0 pitch." DeCinces, who was a first-ball, fastball hitter, swung at Steve Crawford's first offering and popped out to shallow right. Crawford's fastball had a lot of movement, and while that pitch may have started out over the plate, by the time it reached DeCinces, it was in on his hands.
Yes Crawfords ball wasn’t straight there it had great movement & from a batters stand point it was a terrible pitch to swing at & DeCinces had a 2-0 count take the pitch & if the umpire Rocky Roe calls it strike 1 your still up 2-1 in the count then you have to be aggressive with 2-1 & go after it cause he doesn’t want to go 3-1 if he does I give him a 5% chance of throwing back to back strikes.
That family has serious problems cause of what happened very sad the human brain is so hard to understand especially these days with a illness like depression.
Being a sad little guy isnt a excuse to beat your wife's ass every time you have a bad day. This boy, and I say boy because his behavior isnt that of a man, is pathetic and didn't deserve that wife of his. Luckily he also failed in his attempt to end her life and didn't try to kill his kids. Just a sad sad excuse for a man.
@@wolloms I never said that it was right Moore was obviously sick in the head & your right you can’t beat & shoot your wife. I think if your a ball player the #1 thing you have to do is not watch the news where highlights maybe shown of a game like that where you don’t do the job, or you can’t listen to sports talk radio or read the papers. Ignore the noise you might say.
The irony of that postseason was that Henderson's homer against the Mets in game six off Rick Aguelera almost won it for the Sox, in the WS, until the bottom of the inning, and the comeback. Otherwise, Agulera would have gone thru the same thing
Exactly let the stud pitcher finish the job he basically gave up 2 runs cause that ball Baylor hit was off the plate & Witt missed in a great spot & he somehow hit it over the wall.
He was a rageaholic it sounds like. Without the technique to control his anger, he was like a ticking timebomb. He attempted to murder his own wife. He forced his kids to see his own demise. He was a cruel, evil man. There is nothing to respect about a man who attempted to destroy another person's life in the most brutal fashion imaginable and then make his kids watch a senseless death.
The difference is you didn't know the man to proclaim him all out evil. Not to discount the severity of his actions nor to lessen the affect it's had on his wife & children. Only to consider each of us can at one moment be deemed a terrific person. Only to lose it in a second! One act or a series of acts does not define an individual over a lifetime. And lots of things can contribute. 3 of the top Angels players considered him a friend. His own wife forgave him! That's the epitome of one strong, loving person. For her own self & for her children she did that! And she & her kids live with that tragedy, the trauma of it all & continue one day at a time forever! Just think how they must feel? And most importantly, the style in which they move forward knowing it will never never go away! That was their Dad & her husband. A piece of her damaged by spousal abuse & near death. And she chooses to keep her heart positive as hard as it might be! Donnie Moore had demons, did not know how to control the rage from his demons. And made personal choices to act on them by attempting to harm his wife, nearly ending her life. And then turning it on himself for that shame & attempt on her life. Many would think 1stly that it was the act of a coward. For that I leave those things to the man above & not dwell. And to consider for a moment the complete picture as his wife does. The fans that booed him at home games in 1987 should also take a look at how they could've been gentler. Sure it's a game & as ticket buyers we have certain built in expectations for the money we spend. But never underestimate the satisfaction of cheers & the disappointment to let down fans, your teammates & yourself locally & nationally and what can happen emotionaly to someone. Once more, it's his wife & family's business moreover, despite us having the inside track & opinion due to his fame. But how much of that do we deserve? All things to think on & may God touch his wife & her children's lives. And RIP to Donnie no matter how each of us might feel overall of the tragedy. It's also what his former Angels teammates must do!
I just thank God bill Buckner didn't do this and I'm thankful he was given that standing ovation at fenway so many years later hopefully her children and her find peace
@@DaDitka, MAUCH was a horrible manager..proof: HE LET A TEAM LOSE ANY MOMENTUM THAT THEY HAD, BEING UP 3-2 IN A SERIES..roadgame(s), or not. That is the acid test. They could not capitalize on a 2-zip lead after the top of the first in game 6 at FENWAY. M.LACHEMAN was not good enough as a pitching coach, either. He could not prevent that staff from imploding after they'd been pretty good most of the season? Either he did not time manage smartly and they ran out of gas in the ALCS playoff, or he could not find a way to overcome serious mechanical and psyche on the field issues for the pitching staff. He could not get them to make the proper adjustments. He had vet starters, all of them with histories of success; SUTTON was a Hall guy. And, MAUCH hired M.LACHEMANN.. Thankfully, that was the last torturing, that MAUCH ever put anyone through. He was done as a pennant winner after that '86 season.
Look, a lot of people are saying that Donnie Moore's story was sad because he gave up a home run and killed himself. The problem with that point of view is that it forgets that Donnie Moore was a wife abusing piece of shit long before he gave up a home run to Dave Henderson. He beat his wife, he did it in front of his kids multiple times. He shot his wife and shot his wife in front of his kids. He shot himself in front of his own young sons. I'm sure there are people who feel bad for him due to his story but come on. He had some major issues with abusing the mother of his own children. The way he left his life destroyed his young children.
Marquis de Suave: For so many years my heart ached for Donnie. Then I found out in 2005 that he shot his wife. I was angry that he did that, but I thought that maybe he had just completely gone insane. But now after finding out that he was a wife abuser during the entire marriage........I still feel bad for his family, but for the first time in over 30 years, I just cannot hurt for Donnie anymore. No way. If I saw Donnie today, I would want to kick the shit out of him, then say, "That is for all the beatings you gave your wife you arrogant SOB!!!!"
Whenever I share this story with friends, many of whom do not follow baseball, they are shocked at the tragic footnote. In some dance ensembles I've been in, I've told the story to a young lady or two who weren't even around on 10-12-1986. When I tell them how Donnie Moore was haunted by memories of that one-strike-from-the-World Series home run he surrendered to Dave Henderson, and what ultimately happened, I do so by saying nothing, looking wide-eyed and pointing my index finger to the side of my head. You should see the horrified looks on their faces.
Something not mentioned here is that Moore's Angels teammates knew he hit his wife. Only one, George Hendrick, told him he needed to stop and threatened him if he continued.
It's plain and simple, the media and "fans" drove him to do what he did!!! The media spoke so bad about him and the "fans" boo'd him and that was the nail in the coffin!!!!
No, as bad as the fans and the ANGELS management-the pain issue- treated him, he had psychological problems long before he ever threw an MLB pitch. No one helped to develop him beyond the belief of: BEING A MAJOR LEAGUE ATHLETE is all that matters. So, he never matured enough to accept the alternative, but as an adult, he is responsible for his choices even when he got a raw deal from others.
Donnie should have lived within his means & most definitely should have had a plan for after baseball. It’s unfortunate the players back then weren’t financially set for life like now.
This has nothing to do with Donnie, but I didn't realize how much I missed that old Enterprise rent-a-car jingle until I heard it again at 38:42. It's so soothing.
The local sports media and fans were looking for an excuse for a bad team. Game 5 went into extra innings, the Angels choked. The Angels still had games 6 & 7, and they choked. Donnie Moore's fault? NO. Gene Mauch was the Marty Schottenheimer and Andy Reid of Baseball.
@@patrickgray5633 at that point in the game Mike Witt was gassed and Gedman had gone 1 for 3 off Witt with the last two outs being screaming line drives that just happened to have been caught. Lachemann went with the numbers. If Gary Lucas does not hit Gedman then we are having a different conversation. Besides the Mets would have most likely pulled a come from behind miracle World Series title run against California rather than Boston given Moore's back issues.
Divergingroute1973 ......you can say “if” about a lot of things.....”if” Donnie wasn’t a duck hunter he wouldn’t have had a.45.....”if” Tonya never married Donnie she wouldn’t have been shot.....
Gene Mauch was one of the worst managers in baseball history. He blew another one. A real crass idiot when it came to baseball sense. He had the brilliant idea of going to a 2-man rotation at the end of the 1964 season. He was the mastermind behind the Phillies collapse that year.
Bill White, the future National League president and New York Yankees broadcaster, played for Gene Mauch when he was with the Phillies. And White said, point blank, that he hated having Gene Mauch for a manager because Mauch was too much of a control freak. In White's eyes, a manager needs to let his players play instead of trying to micromanage. Billy Martin was also quoted that whenever he managed against Gene Mauch, all that he had to do was wait for him to make a mistake. And in Mauch's case, it would be due to overmanaging whether it was through bunting, pitching changes, or some other control-freak like maneuver that would backfire. In other words, Mauch would often panic and squeeze when he should’ve let up.
@DG Two To this day, it honestly still boggles the mind how you can be that far up with that little to play and lose it. I could possibly understand it if you had 24 or 36 games to play; all it takes is for a team to get a hot streak and you are done. But 12 games? I don't get it. Maybe Angels' fans are right- Mauch was a terrible manager.
20:47 Sadly this is a country known for its fads and its tendency to overreact to issues and then forget them as everyday life pushes them into the background.
Jose A Castillo really not the case though. He wasn't even that terribly affected by this game--apparently he would joke about it with teammates according to an article I read. His career was derailed more by the shoulder problems than by this home run, and his and his wife's relationship had been toxic from the start. Remember, his suicide was intended to be a MURDER after which he turned the gun on himself.
@@ADEAL918 Deep down, it was the pitch, I'm sure of it. He may have joked about it, but the pitch was supposed to drop off the strike zone. It didn't drop enough. I know the feeling, I've choked a few times in baseball.
If someone takes their own life because of one bad pitch, the pitch wasn't the problem. There were deeper issues and if it wasn't the pitch, something else would have caused him to take his life at some point.
@@dgtwo3724 Yes. Donny may have been suffering from depression. But it was more than that. After Henderson's h.r., the fans booed Donny as he struggled through the remainder of that game. In the next season, the fans continued to boo Donny, and I'm sure that Donny took his failure AND the booing personally. It's a lesson in life that no matter how wealthy you are, failing hurts, and being booed by fans hurts.
Damn his poor wife must still have some crazy ptsd, blaming the fans instead of Donnie. The fans treated him like shit but her blaming them even after he shot her 3 times, he must have abused her beyond belief
Or.. until, she knew he would give her the worst treatment/beating in the days following his biggest reason for happiness= MLB athlete.. went away. So, she fled. Even if the money disappearing was one of the reasons, and since you nor I do not know her personally, we cannot say that, its a fact, he physically abused her, that he beat her. That is observed reality, provable whether we knew her, or not. He abused her. She needed to leave..period! GOT IT?
@@John-tr6of Moore threw the ball. His wife's whining about the catcher and everyone else being at fault is nonsense. Moore didn't shoot any of them, he shot her, that should tell you who was at fault for his psychosis.
I agree! Even if Bob Boone made the call, the buck ultimately stops with the pitcher. That would be like Mitch Williams' wife pinning the blame on Darren Daulton for why Williams gave up that home run to Joe Carter in the 1993 World Series in Toronto. I recall hearing about Reggie Jackson telling Gene Mauch that he was worried that Donnie Moore was going to throw a slider, which was something that Dave Henderson could easily hit. The fact that Moore was hurting physically, just made things harder. I don't even know if Moore had any business being on the mound in the first place.
Reggie Jackson said on MLB Network during its 2011 program "Postseason to Remember" about the 1986 baseball postseason that just before that fateful pitch, Gene Mauch told him in the Angels' dugout that Dave Henderson has "slider bat-speed". And Mauch was hoping that Moore would throw a fastball. And of course Donnie Moore threw a slider and the rest is history.
Watch this video carefully. One person passes the blame around. It was Bob Boone's fault for calling the pitch, it was the fans fault for booing him, it was his teammates fault for kidding him about it, it was the Angels' fault for not standing behind him. I think it is clear who drove Moore to kill himself - hint - it is the one he shot before killing himself.
I never for the life of me, understood how it could've solely been Donnie Moore's fault that the Angels lost the 1986 ALCS, when they were still ahead in the series going into Game 6. Had the Angels just gotten the job done in either Game 6 or 7 (and even Game 5, where they could've bailed Moore out in the bottom of the 9th) then this story might be different. As the old saying goes, you win as a team and you lose as a team. And the Angels choked when they had to go back to Boston for those last two games.
Do you know Bob Boone in 1980 with the Phillies bobbled a foul ball in the last inning of the World Series. Fortunately Pete Rose was there to catch the ball.
It’s Kinda Like Karma When Bos. Shining Like The Sun In Anaheim The Dark Clouds Rolled On Them In Gm.6 In Flushing,Queens,NY. Against The Mets? I Wonder If The Tables Would’ve Turned If Cal. Played NY Mets
@@koryclarke1991, the NY METS were lucky to have beaten the ASTROS IN GAME 6..a long extra innings affair. They had never had success against ASTRO MIKE SCOTT who after DOC GOODEN was the second best NL pitcher that season.. His splitty was unhittable that season.. He awaited in game 7 of the NLCS..
He threw to the relay man, or..otherwise he comes to the plate on a one hopper to the catcher. Evans had the best rightfield ARM in the A.L. He executed the throw to perfection. He knew the flyball was too shallow to score on, and they certainly were not going to make the third out at the plate. Evans was not a scatter-armed outfielder. The base coach, manager, and player all knew that. EVANS routinely was up among the outfield assist leaders each season in his career, in the A.L..yep. If that runner from third came home, foolishly so, the relay man would've gotten him, or if the runner on such a shallow flyball, took off even after tagging the bag.. took off on a dash to the plate too early and DWIGHT E. read that in the outfield, the runner was toast at the plate..
