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A Scapegoat and a Suicide l The Ripple Effect of Dave Henderson's 1986 ALCS Home Run 

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When Dave Henderson hit a go-ahead two-run home run in Game 5 of the 1986 ALCS, it caused a ripple effect that lead to the vilification of Bill Buckner, and the demise of Donnie Moore. Here is that incredible story
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@MrBruinman86
@MrBruinman86 3 года назад
RIP Don Baylor RIP Dave Henderson RIP Donnie Moore RIP Bill Buckner RIP Gary Carter
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
🙏🙏🙏
@MrBruinman86
@MrBruinman86 3 года назад
@@BaseballQuotes1 most of them died within a short time of one another. Sucks.
@jerrymccarthy5826
@jerrymccarthy5826 Год назад
What makes you think they are resting in peace Moore tried killing his wife and did kill himself Think he's resting in peace
@shrimpflea
@shrimpflea Год назад
@@jerrymccarthy5826 Stupid comment.
@UMAMIMAMU
@UMAMIMAMU 9 месяцев назад
@@jerrymccarthy5826 Everyone who's dead is resting in peace. It's part of being dead.
@summit2117
@summit2117 3 года назад
One tragedy missed... Mauch proudly standing at the dugout edge anticipating his first WS appearance. But it was not to be for one of the greatest managers in baseball history.
@bigdaddyj452
@bigdaddyj452 Год назад
Absolutely right! Mauch was a wonderful manager but he just couldn't ever get to the world series. Such a shame
@TMC1982Part2
@TMC1982Part2 Год назад
Reggie Jackson was standing next to Gene Mauch and according to Jackson, before Donnie Moore served up the home run to Dave Henderson, Mauch told him that Henderson has "slider bat-speed". I don't know if that meant that Mauch had a sixth sense or was given his history of coming up short, anticipating the worst case scenario. But instead of throwing a fastball like Mauch had hoped, Moore lobs a slider.
@daved1535
@daved1535 3 года назад
Probably the craziest post season of all time any sport
@RyansColoradoRailProductions
@RyansColoradoRailProductions 2 года назад
Imo that title goes to 2004
@daved1535
@daved1535 2 года назад
@@RyansColoradoRailProductions What was crazy about 2004? The only thing I can think of is the Red Sox coming back from 3-0 down against the Yankees. The 1986 mlb playoffs was so crazy it led to a suicide and almost a 2nd suicide if Bill Buckner didn't have thick skin
@RyansColoradoRailProductions
@RyansColoradoRailProductions 2 года назад
@@daved1535 well also games 5 and 6 in the 2004 NLCS ended with walk off home runs back to back. Also it’s the season where the Curse of the Bambino was broken. That’s my opinion from a purely baseball perspective
@daved1535
@daved1535 2 года назад
@@RyansColoradoRailProductions The 2 Championship Series in 2004 were both great. Not a very exciting World Series. I didn't even mention the Mets Astros game 6 which was arguably the best postseason game of all time. Just curious? Were you around for the 1986 playoffs?
@RyansColoradoRailProductions
@RyansColoradoRailProductions 2 года назад
@@daved1535 no lmao i was born in 2003
@ryanbrazell9618
@ryanbrazell9618 3 года назад
This is a well done video. I'm surprised that it doesn't have more views. Keep up the good work man! It was excellent!
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
glad you enjoyed it!
@cfrac22
@cfrac22 11 месяцев назад
I’ll never forget being 😢there for Game 5 of the 1986 ALCS. It was an incredible game!!!!
@jackdoyle3863
@jackdoyle3863 Год назад
I was a young bat boy for the Atlanta Braves during the '84 spring training in West Palm Beach. I met a lot of stars during that March (Dale Hubbard, Bob Horner, Glenn Hubbard, Pete Rose, Fernando Valenzuela, Tommy Lasorda, Bob Gibson, etc.), but Donnie Moore was by far the greatest guy on that team. I was a skinny, awkward 13 year old kid with a bunch of curly hair, but Donnie made me feel right at home, giving me some words of encouragement, signing autographs, giving me some gum, and showing me how to use a hair pick, lol. He never "big timed" anyone, and his his kindness and goodness will stick with me forever. Such an unfortunate line of events for he and his family. It shows that even the warmest of people can do crazy things, and how a personal and public life can differ. His wife and kids are in my prayers.
@joeoconnor8106
@joeoconnor8106 3 года назад
Bill Buckner was a Class Act
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
Buckner was a great man!
@joeybee1914
@joeybee1914 3 года назад
Hall of Fame worthy, in my opinion.
@DaDitka
@DaDitka 2 года назад
@@alwaysmiserable Totally agree. It was sad how the Red Sox fans treated him when it wasn't even close to his fault. So many other things happened in Game 6 which until recently you never heard about. Someone once said that Red Sox fans didn't need to forgive Buckner. It was Buckner who needed to forgive the fans. I hope he did before he died.
@camoss3724
@camoss3724 2 года назад
For sheer drama, I don't know if that entire 1986 postseason has ever been topped. Another possible goat who didn't get mentioned here was Boston pitcher Steve Crawford. In the bottom of the 9th of Game 5, Crawford fell behind Bobby Grich, 2-0, with the bases loaded and two outs. Needing to throw a strike, he got a borderline strike call on his third pitch and ultimately retired Grich two pitches later on a soft broken-bat liner back to the mound. Had that third pitch not been called a strike, would Crawford--never known for pinpoint control--been able to battle back from a 3-0 count with everything on the line? Or would he have been the guy who ended Boston's championship hopes by walking in the winning run? We'll never know, but what is known is that Donnie Moore would have been off the hook (I never thought he was fully responsible to begin with), Bill Buckner would have never had the chance to misplay that grounder in Game 6 of the World Series, and Dave Henderson's homerun would have been reduced to just that, a postseason homerun among the many. It's amazing how lives can pivot on just one incident.
@DaDitka
@DaDitka 2 года назад
That's a good analysis. I vaguely remember Crawford and yeah, he didn't have the best control I ever saw. One call like that might, just might, have led to all of this.
@johnnyg2049
@johnnyg2049 2 года назад
No doubt that will go down as the greatest postseason ever.
@billny33
@billny33 Год назад
I think Donnie Moore and Ralph Branca are very similar in the way history views them. Both were brought in to face one hitter in a jam with men on and they both gave up a game-changing home run to that hitter that ultimately cost their team the season. Both men never heard the end of it. Branca had the mental fortitude to keep on trucking, even making friends with Thomson. Buckner ultimately did autograph signings with Mookie Wilson as they developed a friendship too. But Moore was a very troubled individual for a number of reasons and he never managed to right himself in life. Steve Crawford I never noticed about the pitch he missed, I just gave him credit for digging Boston out of that jam and keeping the game alive. I have him as an unsung hero.
@pkoven
@pkoven 3 года назад
i just happened to come across this, not necessarily a baseball fan. well written, well edited, and most of all engaging. couldn't stop watching till the end.
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
thank you for watching and glad you enjoyed! Truly a crazy story
@Nhamp2000
@Nhamp2000 2 года назад
The way Buckner was treated was pure horses--t. I live in the Chicago area and had to watch the same thing happen to Steve Bartmann, who had to have police around his house due to the death threats.
@DaDitka
@DaDitka 2 года назад
As a White Sox fan myself (who doesn't care about the Cubs either way; yes, I'm a minority here!), I completely agree. The Cubs had lots of chances to close out that series even after Bartman, and they didn't do it. Bartman, like Buckner, didn't deserve for a moment any of the garbage thrown at him. Just like with Buckner. The Red Sox had plenty of opportunities to close out the Mets in Games 6 and 7, and didn't do it. As much as I hated the 1986 Mets, they were a great, great single season team, and they were able to get the job done. I give a lot of credit to the Cubs organization for giving Mr. Bartman a World Series ring after 2016, though. And I do remember several in the media who, years after 2003, did apologize to Bartman for how they reacted to what happened with him. At least there is that. I hope Bartman is well wherever he is. And RIP Mr. Buckner.
@FischerFan
@FischerFan 2 года назад
The persecution of Bartman by Cubs' fans and Chicago media was bloody ridiculous! Cubs' SS Alex Gonzales booted an almost certain double play ball moments later and any prudent baseball fan or observer knows perfectly well that is a lot more likely to contribute to an 8-run onslaught than one foul ball being deflected by a fan. Yet, he remains largely exonerated because of Bartman. There is also no guarantee that Moises Alou would've caught that foul ball. Had no fan touched it, it probably bounces off the railing. The fact remains the Marlins shredded the Cubs' pitching in that inning and took the series away from them.
@daved1535
@daved1535 2 года назад
I always felt so bad for Bartman. If you look at the replay he wasn't the only one going for that foul ball. They could've easily blamed that on others fans that were also going for the ball
@Nhamp2000
@Nhamp2000 2 года назад
@@daved1535 Yeah, it's funny how the narrative changes, because I saw the same thing. But if you listen to Cubs fans, you would think that 40,000 people told him to back away and he just didn't listen.
@seanmanoukian-pathe
@seanmanoukian-pathe Год назад
Thank you for posting this. I had no idea Moore and Buckner both played for Chicago. It's unfortunate Buckner never reached out to Moore after the Henderson HR. It may have helped him overcome his demons regarding the fact he threw away the chances of California reaching the Series that year. May they both Rest in Peace. Anyway, thanks for posting this up, many thanks.
@KozyKool2287
@KozyKool2287 Год назад
How am I just seeing this? Excellent work.
@DaDitka
@DaDitka 2 года назад
A few observations - This was such a hard video to watch. Not because it was poorly done, you did an excellent job and as some have said, it's strange that this video has only gotten a few views. It's hard because of what happened to Buckner in the aftermath of Game 6 of the Series, and especially because of what happened with Donnie Moore. An incredible tragedy and I hope his family are doing well wherever they are now. It still makes me a bit mad to see the treatment that Buckner got because of that error. Had Schiraldi done his job, had Stanley and Gedman not gotten mixed up on that wild pitch, and had John McNamara pulled Buckner in favor of Dave Stapleton as a defensive substitute, this would never have happened. But no, the media and the fans had to pin ALL the blame for what happened on Buckner. Just like what happened with Steve Bartman. I hope Buckner was able to forgive the media and fans for the crap they put him and his family through. From what little I know about Buckner, he seemed like a man of good character. Last, I would never place the blame on Donnie Moore for the Angels losing the Series. Remember, the Angels did tie the game in the bottom of the inning, and they still had two more games they could have won. Moore is responsible solely for throwing that one bad pitch, and nothing more than that. Again, it is so sad that he could never let go of that. Ad a side question, can anyone reading this tell me how the Angels media and fans treated him after that blown save? I have no idea and if anyone does know, I would be interested. Again, a hard video to watch. But you did a fine job, sir, of putting it together. Keep up the good work.
@FischerFan
@FischerFan 2 года назад
It's my understanding that, throughout the following season in 1987, the fans in Anaheim let Moore have it whenever he took to the mound at the Big A.
@DaDitka
@DaDitka 2 года назад
@@FischerFan I sincerely hope you are wrong. He didn't deserve that.
@graciemaemarie11jones16
@graciemaemarie11jones16 Год назад
2002 ANGELS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP is vindication for moore.....
@deneenjeffries2768
@deneenjeffries2768 Год назад
These fans can be relentless… in the end players are human and it’s a game. Donnie Moore had other issues though because that shouldn’t have caused him to commit suicide or try killing his wife. He needed help.
@jefftheparodyguy5166
@jefftheparodyguy5166 Год назад
DeCinces just had to hit a sac fly and it was over. Can’t blame Moore
@TMC1982Part2
@TMC1982Part2 2 года назад
Why aren't Gene Mauch and Gary Lucas equally held at fault for why the Angels lost Game 5 as Donnie Moore? Mauch could've theoretically stayed with his ace in Mike Witt while Lucas failed to get Rich Gedman out when that was his only job. Mauch seemed to panic a bit following Don Baylor's homer off of Witt even though he was still the best option that he had at that point.
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 2 года назад
agreed. The loss can't entirely be pinned on Moore
@FischerFan
@FischerFan 2 года назад
Man, no kidding. The Angels entered the ninth inning of that game with a three-run lead. Each Angels pitcher who was on the mound, or took to it, in that inning made one bad pitch apiece. Witt serves up the home run to Don Baylor and the Red Sox close to within a run. With one out to go to the pennant and WS, Mauch goes with the percentages and brings in Lucas to face Rich Gedman, who had been swinging the hot bat for the Red Sox in that game. Lucas throws one pitch and drills Gedman. Oh, goodie....tying run aboard. That sets the stage for the fateful showdown between Donnie Moore and Dave Henderson and many a baseball fan remembers where they were when that happened. While the fans and media in Anaheim ruthlessly vilified Donnie Moore in much the same way the same two parties treated Bill Buckner in Boston, none of Moore's teammates shared that sentiment. I believe Bobby Grich later recalled, 'any one of us could've done something a little extra to win that game.". The Angels had the bases loaded with one out in the bottom of the ninth, but could score no more than the tying run. When it comes to blaming a team manager, I'm more inclined to point the finger at Tom Lasorda up the L.A. freeway one year earlier. Facing elimination in game 6 of the NLCS; Lasorda had Tom Nedenfeuer on the mound with two on and two out and a one run lead on the Cardinals. First base was open and Lasorda elected not to intentionally walk Jack Clark because Andy Van Slyke was on deck. Lasorda knew perfectly well what Clark was capable of. Nedenfeuer throws one pitch and Clark hits it out of the Chavez Ravine and sinks the Dodgers.
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 2 года назад
Beyond all that, this was only Game 5. The Angels still had Games 6 and 7 to make up for their mistakes. Moore didn't pitch in either of those games.
@camoss3724
@camoss3724 Год назад
I think Gene Mauch absolutely made the right decision to take out Mike Witt and have Gary Lucas face Rich Gedman. Gedman had owned Witt that day, touching him for a homerun, a double and a single. Meanwhile, Lucas had struck out Gedman the night before in Game 4. No one ever figured Lucas would hit Gedman with the first (and only) pitch he threw. Ironically, this was the same Gene Mauch who was excoriated for over-working his starters during the 1964 Phillies epic collapse.
@johnhough8754
@johnhough8754 Год назад
It made total sense for Mauch to bring Lucas in to face Gedman because he was 3-for-3 off Witt in the game with a home run and Lucas struck out Gedman in Game 4. Just didn’t work out.
@angelf3365
@angelf3365 2 года назад
This was a sad story and I remember watching it unfold .
@Wolf.88
@Wolf.88 Год назад
I watched this game. Few years later I was driving around Sioux Falls SD when I heard the news on the radio. No explanation needed.
@Setzer777
@Setzer777 7 месяцев назад
Great video but something you failed to mention that contributed to Donnie Moore's demise was that Angels fans would never let him forget that he's the one that costed them a trip to the World Series. He was viciously booed every home appearance he made in '87 & '88. Every time he stepped on that field he was reminded of that homerun he gave up to Henderson.
@toddsands6000
@toddsands6000 Год назад
I always believed sporting events such as this iconic 1986 ALCS represented true reality television before reality TV became a modern popular title. I couldn't believe what had transpired in this iconic ALCS game 5 during that 9th inning. For a brief moment, I changed channels to view the score of an NFL game on CBS. And during the game, the NFL switched from the game to the studio to announce that the California Angels were only one out away from beating the Boston Red Sox and heading to their 1st World Series. I immediately switch back to ABC broadcasting the game and watch the entire Donnie Moore vs David Henderson duel. I thought this was it and the Angels were going to win. And then I see David Henderson make contact with a swing that didn't appear to be all that powerful. And yet, that ball had plenty of lift and went right over the left field fence. As a fan, I was shocked! I think it was the first time I watched a baseball game of that caliber live on TV. And to this day, I'm still shocked at the repercussions resulting from the ending of that game ALCS game 5. To this day, I consider the ALCS game 5 one of the greatest games in MLB history. As a baseball fan, I felt terrible about the ramifications it had on players Donnie Moore and Bill Buckner.
@ThirstyEye
@ThirstyEye Год назад
"before reality TV" interesting description. I will never forget that game. My dad, Red Sox fan, felt it was over and went out to take a walk. When he came back to the house I had quite the shock for him!
@OCOrbits
@OCOrbits 2 года назад
First time I’ve seen this since 1986. Mauch should have left Witt out there. Still makes me feel sick.
@baseballnewsclub7585
@baseballnewsclub7585 3 года назад
Totally forgot about this,holy cow. Good research on these old school games., great content,keep it up👍
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
Thank you!
@baseballnewsclub7585
@baseballnewsclub7585 3 года назад
@@BaseballQuotes1 anytime my baseball friend. we support baseball channels. Playoffs are here , yes!!
@daved1535
@daved1535 2 года назад
@5:00 I haven't heard Al Michaels yell like that since the "do you believe in Miracles. YES!" call
@thomasturner4722
@thomasturner4722 Год назад
It is funny, because Donnie Moore last season in 1988, he had a 5-2 record. Bill Buckner was a batting champ for the cubs and Dave Henderson won a world series ring in 1989. All are no longer with us. This is why baseball is both strange and amazing at the same time.
@VC-ku3ps
@VC-ku3ps 10 месяцев назад
Also want to add the late John McNamara to the ripple effect of this. For all the years of managing in the majors, his ill-advised decision to leave Buckner in the game in the last inning was something he would be forever remembered for and that decision would stick with him for the rest of his life as well.
@joeybee1914
@joeybee1914 3 года назад
Great job on this.
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
Thank you!
@jra1366
@jra1366 2 года назад
Good stuff boss. Bring on the next one. Good job. 2021
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@rogeliofernandezjimenez3053
Man what a great video, this is quite a story, a tragic ending, i had forgotten all about Donnie Moore and this play off match between the RS and the Angels, you are right the Angels were just one strike away from the WS and it would´ve been their first one ever.
@Bob31415
@Bob31415 11 месяцев назад
1986, the most legendary postseason in MLB history.
@flame-sky7148
@flame-sky7148 5 месяцев назад
Incredible!! Gooden (Mets) v. Ryan (Astros), Dykstra's home run, Billy Hatcher's home Run, Strawberry's Hr of Ryan and Game 7 of WS, Buckner error, Henderson's HR, Gary Carter's game winning single in game 5, Grich's game winning single, Mike Scott's dominance, So many games going into extra innings, Roger Clemens closing out game 7 of the ALCS with Jim Rice homer, Sox fans harassing Strawberry, Kevin Mitchell's clutch hit, Don Baylor's clutch hr in the ninth of game 5, Ray Knights homer in game 7 of WS to break up the tie. It was like lightning in a bottle.
@davidklein7962
@davidklein7962 3 месяца назад
I love this clip. Very true. A ripple effect! It is incredible what one pitch can do and change history and players lives!
@petercole8798
@petercole8798 2 года назад
How well I remember I think game 6 of the 1986 alcs was the best game I've ever seen. But you know Henderson was getting paid to help win games. Not lose them. But you made a great vid. 1986 world series broke my ❤. Again it was game 6..... strange. After that I knew we were cursed. Like the California angels. Side note 6 weeks later the patriots were playing the rams and Tony Eason hit Irving fryer with a last second t d pass to win the game. Right where Henderson had the ball go off his glove. 👋. Woo Strang that stadium 🏟 played a big roll in excitement for Boston fans that year. The play is here on utube type in 1986 patriots vs rams.
@crazytrain848
@crazytrain848 Год назад
That’s not misplaying a ball. He made the effort and the ball just had too much to go off his glove. Great effort though.
@williamgallucci9913
@williamgallucci9913 2 года назад
Dave almost did this to Mets in game 6 1986 one of the most incredible innings I have ever witnesses D as as true orange and blue my NY Mets thank for posting your videos they are so uplifting in these crazy times at the present
@usmc6004
@usmc6004 Год назад
He also was acting very cocky in the outfield when he caught the 2nd out in the 9th inning showboating when he caught the ball thinking the game was over, but the Mets came back and won.
@toddsands6000
@toddsands6000 Год назад
@@usmc6004 Thanks for sharing that. I forgot that moment. I watched the entire 1986 ALCS, 1986 NLCS and 1986 WS. One of the greatest MLB post seasons ever. Great sports moments.
@lovesupreme6154
@lovesupreme6154 8 месяцев назад
I can remember watching that game at 11 years old.
@johncassani6780
@johncassani6780 Год назад
I always regretted how much Buckner was vilified. He had a great year in ‘86. He should not have been in the game at that point. John MacNamara had a whole lot of fault for how that game turned out.
@jms4764
@jms4764 2 года назад
Wonderful job on this documentary! Great editing and storytelling. As a kid in the 80's and a Mets fan, I will never forget the 1986 postseason. There will never be another like it.
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 2 года назад
💪💪
@Jondsmusic
@Jondsmusic 2 года назад
I hated NY and the Mets have been irrelevant since then, meanwhile my Sox have won four in the last eighteen years and counting.
@DavidPerez-cu2zo
@DavidPerez-cu2zo 3 месяца назад
I was at that game at age 14, box seats right field next to the foul pole. There were just as many Boston fans as there were Angels fans. All but a few Boston fans remained till the end. Respect for the true BoFans, dont really care for the others. Mauch should have just left Mike Witt in the game. After the game I got his autograph along with Reggie Jackson. Although disappointing it is still one of my favorite childhood baseball memories.
@williamgallucci9913
@williamgallucci9913 2 года назад
86 postseason pure magic surreal baseball comebacks and heroes it was truly incredible
@davidberglund8879
@davidberglund8879 8 месяцев назад
I think, if I remember correctly, that Buckner was not likely going to be able to get to the 1st base bag in time to force the 3rd out, and Bob Stanley was late breaking towards the bag. As a Sox fan, I have never been able to watch that game 6. Just too painful. Even after the historic 2004 comeback against the Yankees, I STILL can't watch that game 6 vs the Mets.
@habib8961
@habib8961 2 года назад
I don't know which Cubs choke is worse, the 1984 choke or the 2003 choke. As bad as both of those chokes were they still aren't as bad as the two ultimate chokes we saw in 1986. The Angels choke in the 1986 ALCS and the Red Sox choke in the 1986 world series. At least the Cubs weren't one strike away from winning only to choke it away which is what both the Angels and Red Sox did in 1986. Those two chokes ruined the lives of former Cubs Donnie Moore and Bill Buckner just as the creator of this video accurately mentioned. Perhaps them being former Cubs lead to their teams losing in the end. Bill Buckner was even wearing a cubs battling glove when he made the error at first base when the ball went between his legs. It was coincidentally the same error Leon Durham made in the 1984 NLCS. Coincidence? The Curse of the Billy Goat 🐐? Former Cubs players playing for other teams in the post season only to be doomed at the end. Who knows. Also I would like to mention Cubs fan Steve Bartman who went through the same hell that Bill Buckner went through because of what happened during the 2003 NLCS. The ESPN documentary "Catching Hell" goes into detail of the aftermath of what both Bill Buckner and Steve Bartman went through as well as the Cubs 1984 NLCS collapse featuring Leon Durham's error which was identical to Bill Buckner's error m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ugOdiF1y2E0.html. Another coincidence was during that same 1984 season, Bill Buckner was traded to the Boston Red Sox and replaced at first base by Leon Durham. When Leon Durham made that crucial error in the deciding game 5 of the NLCS many baseball fans mentioned that if Bill Buckner was still playing first base for the Cubs in 1984 Bill Buckner would have fielded that ball and wouldn't have let the ball go through his legs which is what happened to Leon Durham. Little did we know what would happen two seasons later. Without a doubt there are many profound coincidences that connect Bill Buckner, Leon Durham, the Cubs, The Red Sox and lastly Steve Bartman. The Curse of the Billy Goat 🐐 vs. The Curse of the Bambino and their tragic after-effects on former Cubs and Red Sox players and a Cubs fan (Steve Bartman). The astonishing and shocking theater that took place during the 1986 ALCS and the 1986 World Series will never be topped or outdone. The Cubs do receive an honorable mention for their 1984 and 2003 NLCS shocking collapses, but still second to the 1986 ALCS and 1986 World Series. History changing coincidences indeed.
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 2 года назад
I would say the 1984 choke is worse than 2003. At least the Marlins went on to win the World Series against a mighty Yankees squad. The Padres got their asses kicked in 5 games by the Tigers.
@daved1535
@daved1535 2 года назад
@@redpillfreedom6692 What you are saying makes the 2003 choke worse. The Cubs had a legitimate shot at beating the Yankees seeing what the Marlins did to them. I don't think the 84 Cubs had much of a chance against that Tigers team
@alansomach7920
@alansomach7920 2 года назад
I will admit ....I'm NOT a red soxs fan but I have to give credit where credit is due ..... that was one heck of a game and Mr. Moore did Not deserve his fate! My prayers and thoughts go out to him ( Always in peace ) and his wife and family !! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@deanladue3151
@deanladue3151 2 года назад
Somehow I just knew that there was a Chicago Cubs connection to all of this.
@jeffsullivan8897
@jeffsullivan8897 9 месяцев назад
Calvin Schiraldi throwing nothing but straight fastballs to good fastball hitters in Game 6 and 7, in particular Ray Knight, is the most significant cause of the Red Sox losing to the Mets. Bill Buckner’s error doesn’t even come close.
@paddydoublems
@paddydoublems Год назад
I remember when Donnie gave up that home run. Al Michaels was like, "And the Angels were one strike away from turning this place into Fantasyland". And as usual, someone was made the scapegoat. I am a firm believer that you win as a team and you lose as a team. Then a few years later, he was gone. When news reported his death, they said he was best known as the loser of game 5 of the ALCS. Sad.
@stevstevhoov8288
@stevstevhoov8288 Год назад
Rip
@pixelythegamer3260
@pixelythegamer3260 Год назад
One thing to know about both the 86 bosox and halos, is that the Sox were pretty much the better team than the angels. The Red Sox had Wade Boggs, Jim rice, Dwight evans, Dave Henderson, and of course Roger Clemens. All what the angels had is a veteran Reggie Jackson aka mr. October, bob Boone, mike whit, and of a couple of other guys. As for what the angels would have done against the Mets in the World Series, well I think the Mets would have beaten their asses.
@flame-sky7148
@flame-sky7148 5 месяцев назад
Baseball is serious, and it shouldn't be that serious. By the way, I don't think Henderson misplayed that fly ball. Hd he made that catch, it would have been a great catch. But the connection to Moore, Henderson to Buckner was amazing. I remember watching the series and the NL series between the Astros and Mets. Best post season EVER! And the 86 WS was nuts.
@ricogomez4020
@ricogomez4020 Год назад
All I know after that WS game 6 not for an instant did I think Buckner cost them the series. But as years went by the media would bring that up over & over. The media truly is evil.
@ThirstyEye
@ThirstyEye Год назад
"the media truly is evil". Yep, in more ways than one.
@jenbill
@jenbill Год назад
I went to school with David he was a better football player could of easily played pro football that would of changed everything but that’s how life goes nobody knows the future, hard to believe one of the best athletes in school history died so young
@freethinkerrr2897
@freethinkerrr2897 Год назад
Much like Bill Buckner, Donnie Moore is not to blame for Angels losing that 86 ALCS. The Angels had plenty of chances to win that infamous Game 5 and Manager Gene Mauch made some questionable moves like removing Ace Mike Witt with 2 outs in bottom of that 9th inn. Then the Angels couldn’t get a run home with the bases loaded and 1 out in that bottom half of the 9th. Both Doug DeCinces and Bobby Grich took some feeble at bats against a Boston reliever who was clearly melting down. Then the next inning, Gary Pettis came within 2 feet of hitting a game winning home run in the 10th inn of that game but Don Baylor cleverly played him deep and was there to catch the ball with his back hitting the fence.
@benjaminrojas2853
@benjaminrojas2853 2 года назад
If only Rob Wilfong ran from First to second on the play home. In the ninth or tenth inning after his single. The next batter hit a single which would have won the game!!!!! I was at the game. It took years to get over that loss!!!!
@ChrisDutch
@ChrisDutch 7 месяцев назад
Gene Mauch didn’t help either. By going to the bullpen twice he took the crowd out of the game. In addition in the bottom of the ninth Jerry Narron,the Angels’ catcher got on base and was pinch run for even though he was hitting .500 in the series.
@tommygunns8984
@tommygunns8984 Год назад
Moore should have kept throwing Henderson fastballs. Clearly, he was struggling catching up with them. Going with that split finger was way too risky, as that last pitch did not bottom out, and Henderson smacked it out of the yard.
@blitzkriegchile5823
@blitzkriegchile5823 6 месяцев назад
Just getting over Jack Clark the year before and this happened 😆
@PhillAndersonGuitarist
@PhillAndersonGuitarist 8 месяцев назад
Even as a 13 year old Red Sox fan, i never blamed Buckner. He shouldn't have even been in the game. All season John McNamara brought in Dave Stapleton for defense late in games.
@claylyons6447
@claylyons6447 6 месяцев назад
Buckner was not entirely at fault. The Mets had already tied the game. Sox pitching staff choked. My father and I watched the entire game on TV. The Sox had another chance in game 7. Had they won Buckners error would have been pretty much forgotten.
@CutterHistorical
@CutterHistorical Год назад
I mean seriously how were we to know that a Game 5 home run that wouldve meant nothing if the Angels would win Game 6 or 7 would lead to trouble
@rselby0654
@rselby0654 8 месяцев назад
Donnie Moore should’ve had two strikes instead of one. Dave swung and missed and the Angels would’ve won the pennant. One bad call by the umpire a couple pitches before changed history for the worse. Bill Buckner would’ve rather lost to the Angels than to relive that error
@scottaznavourian3720
@scottaznavourian3720 11 месяцев назад
That all mucheals call is second only to 'do you believr inracles' to me
@Jondsmusic
@Jondsmusic 2 года назад
A 97% chance based on what? These made of statistics are laughable! Those who make them have never played a game in their life! Players decide the outcome, not nerdy self appointed expert stat geeks! The world counted us out, but we never did. Ignore the morons, haters and noise, that's the real bottom line to this story, in this game and moreover in life!
@robertosso5210
@robertosso5210 Год назад
actually it wasnt dave henderson who impacted the lives of donnie moore and bill buckner. it was the angels 3rd base coach for not sending the runner on 3rd in the bottom of the 9th with the shallow sac fly wich would of won the pennant for angels and donnie moore would of been off the hook
@brucehartnell1475
@brucehartnell1475 5 месяцев назад
Buckner was two hundred hits from 3,000. He probably gets in cooperstown if it wasn’t for that one play.
@chrisstarr4523
@chrisstarr4523 3 года назад
Decent video, worth a watch, but you left a ton of stuff out. No mention of Mike Witt, Gary Lucas or Moore’s finically situation that was later fixed.
@BaseballQuotes1
@BaseballQuotes1 3 года назад
Looking back, I probably should have dove more into the actual game and what happened afterwards
@danorthsidemang3834
@danorthsidemang3834 11 месяцев назад
You misspelled "forgive".
@stevemen7272
@stevemen7272 2 года назад
let me digest this for a few days and ill react
@bigdaddyj452
@bigdaddyj452 Год назад
Buckner had been replaced all season long at defense. The loss wasn't all his fault but he should have never have been on the field
@robertosso5210
@robertosso5210 Год назад
i blame the angels 3rd base coach
@danorthsidemang3834
@danorthsidemang3834 11 месяцев назад
"I's"
@patrickwatkins2002
@patrickwatkins2002 8 месяцев назад
F’in Blob Stanley! And my god, do I hate Ray Knight! RIP Buckner!!
@scottaznavourian3720
@scottaznavourian3720 11 месяцев назад
Destiny has irony ....if buckner doesnt start the rally in anahiem in game 5 its henderson who goes down as a redsox goat for letting grichs homer go off his glove...im not gonna say anyrhing would change with moore cause as i underatand it his problems pre dated hendu...
@jameshoran8
@jameshoran8 2 года назад
Mauch cost the Phillies the pennant in 1964
@jameshoran8
@jameshoran8 2 года назад
@@alwaysmiserable It was all Mauch's fault. He panicked and went with just two starters, Bunning and Short. It still hurts for this then 12 year old.
@VisualTedium
@VisualTedium 3 года назад
And if he played in StL Bill wouldve have always been appreciated
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