16:33 When closed the spider insignia is placed differently and sized different as well, and the writing on the tang is seen on the genuine one and not the fake.
If you look at the logo on the FRN the fake has a border around it where it is seperate from the texturing. The on the real enduras the logo platform runs right into the texturing pattern with no gap between them. BTW, I have a ZDP-189 delica in BRG and the coloration on the endura in your video is correct.
The logo on the original it's a bit bigger than the fake one, that's what I also notice. Something I don't see because of the camera , Are the printing letter on the fake stamp or acid etched? It's hard to tell.
May of wrapped in foil to get thru customs? I've gotten shoes from them with the box folded up like that and 2 pairs were actually in one bag... but I just ordered a zt 0350 and a mt auto should be in soon lol we'll see how they are
I just bought a spyderco polestar from china. 68 Bucks! Not impressed. Whats the difference? My Tenacious from china been using for years. How can i get this nock off. ?? I need a cheep beater knife. Let me know please
I got burned by ebay and amazon counterfeit Spydercos, and I will only buy them from reputable vendors or directly from Spyderco. I don't want to go through the stress of agonizing over if mine is a genuine or a counterfeit. Great video!
i bought a green g10 endura on ebay from a hong kong seller i didnt think it was counterfeit until i saw a video about the clarity of the triangle on the head of the spyder logo
Is the steel what they say it is and is the heat treatment effective; that is where the rubber meets the road. Otherwise it is an simply an analysis of pocket jewelry. Knives are for cutting first and foremost.
Of course it's not. Why would a company that makes counterfeits bother being honest about the materials or do a quality heat treatment? They're selling a fake product for as much profit as they can.
Question we all have, how is the steel on the fake for quality, durability, etc.. ? Did they make an equally good knife but without the premium $$ that all name brands charge, regardless of what the product is ??
+OPA Extreme The ones I have used have done fine. I have not used them much though. The run steels like D2, 8CR13MOV, 440c, etc. These are very good serviceable steels. I have not done any cut down to dull tests and resharpen though. I just test for fit, finish, and function. The steel in an "expensive" knife is not a huge amount of the cost/price of the knife. For instance, I'll bet the S35v steel in a Chris Reeve knife is about the cost of a coupla bucks. The knife is $450 or so. The Chinese have the capability to take over any market they want. They do not have OSHA, the EPA, or the AFL-CIO, and their labor costs are $00.65-.75/hour. All they have to do is get an eye for detail and a few original thoughts in their heads. Of course their employee turnover can sometimes be high when their workers are committing suicide jumping off the roof of the factories. But that's the cost of doing business... in China!
Needed correction when subtly jabbing China. Their flag is red but has 5 stars. Supposedly the stars represent the 5 main races within that country. The flag (or land) with a hammer, sickle and star was the Soviet Union. China was never part of USSR.
I've noticed that the holes for the clip at the front of the *_FAKE_* knife look a bit unfinished. On the *_REAL_* Spyderco knives, the hole are perfectly drilled. The frame's retention screws also are better polished. I'd like to see some cut tests, though.
It would have been nice to see some sort of cut test and comparison of steels. I mean, I doubt it's real zdp, or certainly not tempered to >64rc. But is it more like 440c or s30 perhaps? Have you any ideas on that?
They do a lot with steels like D2 and 8CR13MOV, I'm betting this may be 8CR13MOV I have been abusing one in my garage for the last year and it has held it's edge really well. I just can't make myself abuse the real Enduras, but these have been doing so well,, I'm kinda feeling guilty with the clones abuse
Thank you for that, thats good to know, I now wonder if the clone delicas fit the karambit rings... I haven't used 8cr13mov yet, but I have heard good things. At the end of the day, the clones and spyderco's...They are both real knives...
The only really bad Spyderco clones are the Dragonflys and any that are slip joints that I have run into. Spyderco uses 8CR13MOV on a number of it's lower end stuff made in China like the Tenatious. Not sure what you mean by karambit rings?
Thanks for that, my friend likes karambits so the delica is the only one so far that fits the ring... www.gpknives.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/s/r/sr-d_1.jpg The ring screws into place of the rear spacer bar permanently.
The clip end of the real one was more rounded than the one on the clone. You can see this at 7:34. And where the grippy texturing comes up to that one screw, it comes to a point on the clone and it's rounded on the real one. They ran out of room on the clone. LOL
mine also pm2 clone?really i cant tell whats the different between original or fake because mine function as knife should functioned which is to cut and slice.extremely good knock off knife?are you really sure your knife is original?
Doldei You can imagine how hard it is to miss typos if your language is Chinese. I bought a piece of really nice Stereo gear from a Chinese company. The label was supposed to say XLR and they had XRL, so instead of getting the rear panels redone they just put paper labels on it. But once they get the QC "idea" down, they will be very powerful.
BOOSTEDLASER It is not the steel they stamp on it. They are just copying marks. But according to them, they use pretty good steal. They use steels like 8CR13MOV which spyderco uses, or D2, or 440C. You can ask them and they'll answer. I've only noticed issues with the really cheap clones like the Dragonfly Salt. If you spend about $15 or more on a clone, the steal has been pretty good. Have you not watched my videos? I make statements about the steel in most of them.
I have seen so many people recently getting hosed bidding real spyderco amounts for falsely advertised clones. Last week someone paid 160 bucks for obvious clone, the photos being used were taken straight from Aliexpress even. It had some sculpted scales which the seller (in USA) was advertising as a custom PM2.
I haven't sharpened one yet, but am using one in my Garage right now. The Endura clones are pretty nice. I am not babying it and it is holding up well.
+Les Garten I'm really thinking of buying one :p I just don't want some shitty, dull, hard to sharpen steel but I think I'll buy it :D Two more questions for you :) Is there a lot of diffrence between real one steel and fake one also after it had come to you, did that shave your hair without any problem :p ?
I think mine would have shaved hair. I just felt the edge and it was good. There are differences as noted in my videos. Some will say there is not 4x the difference like there is in cost.
Buy your stuff from reliable sources. If you are an Amazon guy, buy from Spyderco/delivered by Amazon not Xyungo-Hongo Suihe. If you have to wait two weeks for an in stock product that is a sure sign.
They probably use the reject boxes from the printer, I was in printing (that wouldn't happen in the states) but in China.. Why not sale the off color boxes cheap to a faker instead of waisting the run
I am pretty sure the fake one is not ZDP-189. Even between real ones, ZDP-189 version is way more expensive than the VG-10 version. Let alone who knows what steel the fake is using. Most likely 8cr13mov.
The blade Steel seems to be layered on the original while the replica is probably a 440c or something similar. I actually find that layering very interesting. You might be able to loosen the pivot a little.
The Real Endura with the Gray scales is indeed a layered steel.. Superblue edge and 420 on the outside layers. The superblue is the sharpest steel I have, it takes a very keen edge. It's been my daily knife since I bought it. Except that my daily is a Delica, the Endura doesn't fit my pocket as well on my cargo shorts.
camoscrubs I've used them in my garage to cut things with like hoses and cardboard and such and they did well. I'm not really a cutting tester though. It would be interesting for someone who knows what they are doing to do some tests.
I saw the tub nail and title and I thought it said Endera 4 real vs Cheese and thought the package was a block of cheese.Then I thought yeah that would cut cheese well.
I have a weird fascination with counterfeit items lately idk why lol. I got myself counterfeit airpods counterfeit ps4 controller. Maybe next I'll get a counterfeit spyderco.
Boy777 Why would you want that shit? It wasn't even lying near the ZDP-189. If I were to buy this Endura it would be for the superior sharpness retention, not the looks, lol.
good thing they are holding back ,they could easily put m390 charge you 20.00 more and really hurt spyderco,they are that good-I have a benchmade grip 550 and the quality is really nice ,edge holding is not as good the rest is pretty close
Thank you !!... Aliexpress.. are they reliable?? I have read bad reviews about them.. is it a hit or miss with them?? or have they finally gotten their act together??.. Thank you for your help !
Eli Last They are reliable. Just look over the sellers feedback, compare sellers, try to find one that does a lot of transactions. Aliexpress keeps your money in escrow till you accept the purchase. I have ordered a lot of knives from over there. Some sellers do not ship occasionally, takes a while to get your money back. But you do. Sometimes US mail loses your stuff, you get your money back, takes a while though.
I was always very leery about using my credit card.. I do not need any problems with that...I wish they used the Paypal system.. Thank you very very much for your help & advise !!
Both made in China , one could be a second and not destroyed but sold on the side by a worker. with so many products being outsourced now it could be the real deal just sold under the table by the place that assembles them ? You never know for sure
Pretty much count on 30 days into your hand once ordering if in the US. It takes a lot of time to get out of China, so it look like nothing is happening for a few weeks, then it hits customs in the US and then takes a bout a week. So 30 days of WTF is going on. Just make sure it gets started into the China Postal system with the tracking number. This ain't Fedex or UPS for sure as far as tracking.
The Superblue does that depending on what is has come into contact with. Some of them are very even aqnd they "Look" better, but I really should get it off there since it's oxidation and dulls the blade. Superblue is very sharp.
+Tim Shull What I was meaning was that anybody on AMAzon are going to be using stock pix. Only way to know would be to buy from them. They stand behind their sales, so no worries there. Make sure it is sold and fullfilled by AMazon though. Or a reputable knife seller.
yea but then no paint lasts on any of my stuff, the steel is what I really care about as I use my blades for work, if you have a rolled edge after just a few use's it's fake shit steel, my delica 4 is still going strong with only mild touch ups after cutting tarpaulin though gravel mud & cement bags! My question is this why do spyderco not just print an individual code in the box or on the form, that way you could just email the code to spyderco HQ & get a quick conformation that you have a real knife?
If you don't know the difference between real or fake you can get screwed. I see that the Spdy logo is smaller on the fake and the fake the finish is not as great as the real.
I wish they still made them, I want a knife in Super Blue really bad - I kinda wish that spyderco also delved into the other Paper Steels as well but Super Blue being the obvious choice if you had to pick just one, as I really like the steel quality in the Higo No Kamis, even the SK steel and S55C (although they rust like crazy if you don't take care of them) I am shy of buying a super blue Spyderco off of Ebay just because Ebay seems to be a breeding ground for fakes.
I got my Stretch off Ebay. I wouldn't worry about it. They aren't cloning the Blade steel. Just get real pix and look for the "Steel line". IMO you need to do that anyway because the lines can be way off left to right sides anyhow. I would like to have the Dragonfly, but by the time I got around to collecting them you could no longer get a Dragonfly for any reasonable $$$
Yeah I figured that was a good way to do it, The prices do get ridiculous once a knife is discontinued - some people invest in knives that are limited runs just to sell them on ebay or something at a high price. Can't check for the lamination line on non-laminated steel blades though, so it only works in this case sadly - these fakes get better every year it seems, if they keep getting better like this soon we won't be able to tell the difference without sending it to the manufacturer that it is supposed to be. I am hopeful though, I doubt they will put that much effort into it to get it 100% right visually - at least I hope they wont....
I got some San Mai III Clone Cold Steels and they didn't clone the steel line, I think that would be a lot more effort than they want to do. So you should be very safe with the SB Spydies, good luck, they are really nice knives. My Fav EDC is a SB Stretch that I just had to quit carrying because the knife pocket on my new shorts is too small!
As someone who knows Spyderco, and knows attention to detail. As soon as I seen the Spyderco logo on the blade I knew it was not genuine. Then all the little subtle differences started standing out to me. Or should I say the attention to detail. No doubt they did a damn good job trying to replicate one. But to the trained eye you can see the differences plain as day.
I'm a big fan of Ganzo for cheap blades, you get what you pay for.. And in their case they aren't trying to rip anyone off.. They just copy designs mixed with different locks.. I wouldn't buy these to resale obviously but I'd buy the fake, if I was paying for the fake and knew it was a fake. I dunno what steel they use but the 440c Ganzo uses... Is pretty dang good steel for a sub 20$ blade.. Wanna sale the fake (for what it's worth)?
It’s not your fault this video was done along time ago and you had to really scrutinize the knife to fine errors but I’m telling you these days you would be hard to find a mistake only if you open the knife up or test the blade they are masters at copying the clips are perfect. Don’t judg the knife based on the box or paper work
As hard as some of these knife-snobs try to find a "negative" knock on these clones, they obviously fail, and once again. This clone is an excellent weapon.
Les Garten they look so Damn close I'm not sure at this point it would really matter or not.Spend your money take your chances.Like I said the spyderco factoy that makes the knives in China is located right down the street from where the fakes are made.So who's to say those knives are both made in the same factory or not.Don't believe everthing that you thought you knew.I think people are dooped everyday and don't know it when buying knives.
Well I own the real ones and the fake ones. Or at least I did. I get rid of the fakes. There are differences. There are not very many Spydercos made in China. The Spydercos that are made in China are very nice knives. There are some clones that are very close in quality, but most aren't when you handle them and take them apart. The point is, how do you tell from photographs if you are being ripped off. That's what I try to find. I try to find something so that you can tell from a photo without getting screwed. There are usually huge differences in quality once you get them into your hand and use them.
***** I just went to the site. Other than the price. It doesn't say that items sold are clones. How would someone know that items from this site are knock offs?
you know blue steel has nothing to do with turning blue right? Its the same as white steel, with more alloying. Definitely will rust. Its Japanese kitchen knife steel! Not something I would ever want to use on a folding knife for EDC.
+Max Savino I think the Blue was from the color of the Paper the steel was wrapped in. It makes a hell of a cutting edge. It needs to be kept oiled if you don't want oxidation.
Yeah, in fact its called aogami, or shirogami for white steel. Just think of the paper called "oragami" super blue is the same as Aogami Super, which means super blue paper steel.
I just confirmed that mine is real...well I got it from BHQ I was pretty sure anyways but nice video helpful for any future knifes I may get. It always gets me laughing when I see how the Chinese clone companies mess up the paperwork despite making the knife itself damn near perfect.
Back lock? It’s brand new yours gas been worked give it some use and it will disengage the same that’s all you can find not fair. All I’m saying is even people who call them selves pro can actually be fooled too you must always be vigilant or buy from a reputable seller. That clone is perfect
So you buy a knife from fraudsters who are ripping off other's intellectual property and all you can say is "if it's good steel it's a good knife?' You know they're thieves, what kind of steel do you think they use? Quit shilling for fraudsters.
