the big mistake they made is having that low end models made in china, which is probably half or more of their total product line. It gave the chinese factories the machines and knowhow, materials, and hardware to make these copies. as far as the G10 bevelling, i'll bet that kind of thing varies a lot in both real and counterfeits.
Scary how close they're getting. I don't advocate counterfeits, but these seem pretty well made apart from the unreliable steel (which is the most important part of all).
+Orpheusftw They are most likely made from the same steel as the Tenacious and that is a $35 knife that plenty of people love...so I don't understand... why is it so bad?
I know this is old but here is the the thing they make a knife that is damn close but only cost$20 how can spyderco justify $150 the steel is not that much know what I mean
@@cavolpert Labor is the issue. On a genuine Millie it is produced in Golden, Colorado which is a pretty pricey place to live. Spyderco pays a fair wage from what I hear, and the price of a knife incorporates all labor from janitors, office personnel, on up to the actual folks actually building the knives, & don't forget management. So a Chinese plant is literally paying a small percentage of cost for labor, & don't forget they are stealing designs (intellectual property) so they are spending little on deciding what to make, & how to make it, & very little to nothing on advertisement. All those things add up, and throw in cheap, & or poorly treated steel, & you have a $2 knife selling for $20 at a huge profit margin vs even a genuine.
Only buy from a reputable online dealer. People are buying real ones and returning fake ones and keeping the real one. Even dealers with good intentions could have these in their stock and not know it
Hey there, nice video and good details. Could you do a weight comparison and moreover have a look, if the spyderhole diameters are the same? THX for your effort.
+Daniel Thomas Hi, I no longer have the clones, but they felt identical to the OEM with regards to the weight and the Spyderhole was pretty much spot on.
+Les Garten Ah, ok...I read there are differences of about 20g (0.71 ounces), because the liners aren't cut out or rather aren't made of titanium at some clones. They also may differ in the spyderhole quite a bit. Anyway...thx for your response. *thumbsup*
I have two militarys straight from the Spyderco factory that have the cleaner smoother backspace so I don't think that is a point of differentiation anymore.
I got into a knife fight on new years 2006 with I forgot what fully serrated spyderco that had a faulty liner lock. I almost cut my finger off but cut through two thick leather jackets in the middle of a stiff Kansas winter. He lived. In court, they looked like ragged strips, not anything like a coat. He punched me first, engaged me, I ran, he chased me, re engaged, choked me, I've had major neck surgery, at that time I started to attack him with my knife mid choke hold. I carry a spyder co from now on. It cuts like butter in an actual self defense situation. So hard, it's scary as hell. I didn't even think I was stabbing him it was so fluid. He testified he thought I was punching him weakly and only minutes later did he feel the pain of the stab wounds. It was a weird case. I ended up doing 13 months. Aggravated self defense. If you're going to carry one knife to protect yourself, this is it. Remember, a knife is to be felt not seen. Only when close enough or in battle should it be deployed. At no time should they know you have a knife until they are being punctured.
One thing to note. The Spyderco evergreening also known as CQI, or Constant Quality Improvement, necessitates there will be changes to the designs over time. Case in point, I just bought a digicam G10 Military on Amazon. It was sold by Amazon and not one of their marketplace vendors. My knife has the satin blade, and also has a polished (not black) clip. After seeing your video, I was rather paranoid that I'd received a fake. However, upon reviewing the Spyderco forums and actually looking at their PDF catalog for 2019, I am still hopeful I've got a legit knife. If you look at their catalog (aka Product Guide, downloadable from sypderco.com), you will see that the camo military models with the satin (non black coated) blade have a satin clip. Also, some of the example pictures show a stepped stop pin, and others still show a torx screw stop. As part of the CQI process, it seems they have implemented the stepped stop pin design recently to prevent binding of the pivot mechanism by an overtight stop screw. Also, they have started using a Torx pattern on both sides of the pivot screw, on the models that have the stepped stop pin. The 2019 catalog has a mix of old and new designs so you can see the differences. I was literally a few seconds away from submitting an Amazon return solely based on the fact that my knife's clip was not black! Glad I checked around some more.
I got RIPPED OFF and paid way to much on KNIFE WORKS and got a freakin chinese knock off thinking I was paying for a real SPYDERCO and it was evident when the thing chipped just from dropping it ..so pissed right now.
can anyone verify this? Also isn't there a date stamp on the blade near the pivot hole? Mine is a older knife with smaller lanyard, & back spacer so I am not sure when they CQIed the Millie, & stopped using red loctite (so aggravating).
So, I saw a vendor at a flea market last week that had about a half dozen Spyderco PM2’s for $40. I was skeptical that they were legit, so I held off and did not buy. I watched your video last night and went back to the vendor today to take a second look. Sure enough, the ridges by the lock were rough, not smooth, lanyard tube was sketchy, torx screws were not right & pocket clip was rough on the sides. Thanks for the insight and info. You saved me from wasting $40 on a ripoff! 👍🏼
ImJustACowLol I think you have it backwards. The real (on the left) has the curved fang tip. The fake (on the right) has the straight fang tip. See at 1:43
good video I'm thinking about getting a fake military because I want one but cannot afford £120 but can get a fake for around £14 and they seem to be good quality, and I'd be buying it knowing it wasn't a genuine spyderco so I'm ok with that, having said all that do you think for the price someone would be happy with the quality? it seems like you do think that, bearing in mind they are about 1/10th the price as well seems like your paying for the name in many ways
+Steve Brooks The Millie clones I had were very good. With Spyderco you are paying a lot for exotic steels as well as pretty good quality. Make sure you look over the pictures of the clone you get very well. Sometimes they will put up some stuff that looks right until you get it and then you notice it is not right at all. Look over the lock area on the clone well. Just make sure it all matches up. Spend some time with side by side pictures doing comparisons.
I don't feel sorry for any knife company that has there knives made in China and the Chinese start making fakes of there knives.Should be made in the USA.
The video shows the differences clearly. You can see immediately that the edge of the G-10 is different, and a lot of other things as well. Did you watch the video?
Hello, is Amazon a safe place to buy a spyderco manix 2? It just suprised me to see that there was a pice drop of about 40 dollars from Knife Center to Amazon.
Ok, he knew it. He got it from alibaba) Bu he is deadly sure that it is the same knife. He says that it is made of same materials, same blueprints etc. Your video clearly shows that my guy is wrong
So other than it takes money from Spiderco. If you end up with a copy that in some way maybe better or not but still a good quality, it's not such a bad thing. You just can't clam you have a real Spiderco.
+Paul Hughes It's more complicated than that. Overall quality of Spyderco is very high The fasteners are good, they are not soft like the clones. The blade metal is unknown on the clones, IME Spyderco Blade steel has been very good. The fit and finish on Spydercos is usually very high. But... The Spydercos can be 10x expensive than the clones. For low cost knives, you can spend $20-$60 on a clone and get a really nice knife. And when you buy the more expensive clones that cost $45-60 or more, they are done to near Spyderco quality in reference to the materials and the fit and finish. Just think what kind of knife the Chinese could make for $200 if they wanted to.
+Paul Hughes You can summize that the blade steel is at least as good as the Tenacious and the hardware can be swapped out for hardened...Then you have a very decent knife, in my eyes
thank God you didn't do another 7 minute review on another Spyderco box.Toss the box review and just get to the knife its self.Truth is every spyderco box is printed in China and the fakes and the real knives are produced less that 2 miles apart.So if your real spyderco knife says made in China it's made real close to the fakes.
Les Garten no need for that.Spyderco fans know what's up with the whole fakes and genuine.I was buying kershaw knives from wall Mart and turned out they were not the same kershaw youd buy from a knife store that specialized in Kershaws.I was at wall Mart 2 weeks ago and they had a rack of spyderco Tenacious and Resilience knives and just so happened I had my 6 year old Tenacious on me and the wall Mart spydys were of sub standard likenesses.I like your videos though don't get me wrong.Just an observation.Good night sir.
