@shannonandsheila1 There's a difference between being sharp when you open it and being sharp when it's closed. Handling a closed knife should never put you at any risk of being cut.
I don't see any excuse for glaring design flaws on a high-end, performance oriented, "luxury item" knife. You're paying an increasingly steep premium for "top of the line" tools. Even if the risk of harm is low, it's still a cop out on spyderco's part. What pisses me off to no end is a knife that self-damages, like a poorly fitted lockback. They're raising their prices far out of pace with inflation, I don't see any reasons our standards as consumers shouldn't correspond. To be fair though, I don't believe in being hyper-sensitive alarmists who need to be babied, either. Just justify your cost, amirite or amirite?
@z z In the '90s and early 2000s 440c was about what M390 is now. High end, but there was still a world of higher end that the average knife enthusiast might not go after because of price and availability. Also like M390, 440c was and is highly variable in the heat treat. Some companies had a great heat treat and some companies had a garbage heat treat that gave 440c a conflicted reputation. So yeah, I'd say Ryan's assessment is fairly accurate.
@jack thursby I've used my Para 2 in S30V to cut drywall boards and fiberglass tape. It took a couple of passes on a 1200 grit diamond stone and some honing on a coffee mug to get it literally hair-whittling sharp again.
For me, the issue isn't that there's any actual risk of real injury, it's that there's simply no reason for there to be any such flaw at all. It's not a necessary compromise for some design feature, it's just a mistake.
My Tropen is out with BJ Hill, getting "de-horned." A choil is being ground out of the blade, giving it usefulness along with better safety in the closed position. Shout out to Hilltop Knives & Gear! Check this mod out on LTK's channel...
Years ago when I got my first emerson knife, fairly quickly I got the knuckle bite from a partially opened blade using the wave feature. And boy was it deep. It was a pretty good lesson that I won't forget.
I think all of us with Emersons have been bitten. I practiced with the wave feature a fair bit, but it was never 100% for me. I stopped using it. With the thumb disc I feel the lockup positively. And these days I have some assisted-opening folders that are super quick.
Man Spydie has not been moving me with their designs lately. And I guess that’s more on me than them. But I think the Caribbean was the last one that was a real winner. As you have said, the sprint runs are getting old fast. Would love to see a new design in a weird steel but I get that maybe that’s not financially sustainable Also, you can “milady” all you want but without a fedora it’s an empty gesture
The handle almost looks like it was designed for a liner lock then changed to a compression lock at the last minute. Seems like that would solve the few issues it has.
I can't think of any compression lock flippers that wouldn't be better with a liner lock. The comp lock is a great lock, but it just doesn't work as well as a liner lock for flippers.
D M I have to disagree liner locks are alright but I love the compression lock on my pm2 being able to squeeze it and the blade just dropping is jsut convenient and fun to fidget with
I was soooo close to pulling the trigger on this knife, but you brought you a few points that pulled me back. Namely, the offset spydey hole relief in the handle that the grip can cause the blade to cant to one side slightly. On my Para 2, that offset is closer to the middle finger as opposed to the index. A trustworthy edge alignment is critical to me. I need to rely on it being where I expect it to be. I am sure that if it was my only knife, that I would, over time develop the muscle memory to compensate for it. But as it is, I do rotate between a few others and so I drift more towards reliability and predictability.
I recall my first Spyderco knife. Like a 3 or 4 inch serrated blade. I had the bright idea to tap it against my finger to see how sharp it was, and the points of the serration sank right into my finger ... which started spurting blood. Everyone else was freaking out, and I was just like "Yep, that's a keeper".
I never once cut myself on the Tropen, but sliced the shit out of myself on my spydiechef reaching into my pocket, on the exact same section of the blade that people complain about on this knife. I've sold so many knives, and the Tropen is the only one I consistently miss. I think this video is probably gonna be the push I need to finally buy another. Edit: definitely agree about the spydiehole relief cutout in the showside scale. One of my favorite things about the compression lock is that it eliminates the need for the lockbar access cutout, but they added it in for no real added utility. The Gunting is awesome too!
I've handled an original Vogt custom down here in Argentina; and the blade was nowhere as exposed as on the Spyderco manufactured one. Sometimes taking a custom design and adapting it to mass production involves this type of issues. I get that this is might be considered an execution flaw, but it's not a design flaw as stated by some comments.
Thank you for answering my question on a previous video of what the fruit was that looked like an over ripe avacado with scrambled brains inside. How do you eat a passion fruit? What part do you eat?
hi, Brazilian here (we plant a lot of those fruits in here, though I never saw one with such dark color ), most of the times you just scoop the inner part in order to eat it, or simply use it to make juice. It can be scooped and used to make jams too. Particularly here, we don't eat the peels, but they can be used to make tea and a kind of flour (that is used due to its calming properties, very much like camomile), it's very rich in fibers. My aunt have some of those trees in her backyard so she used to give us some fruits (they can Get huge, seriously). The seeds are edible, and full of nutrients (some guys cook them to make a nut like crunchy seed, using it in cakes and so on). It's a little acidic, almost citric, but have a nice sweet taste (although using sugar in it is common). Hope I answered the question, Cheers
I love the look of it - it's like a persian Sliverax. If it weren't for the concerns of the edge going through the comp-lock cutout then I'd likely buy one
If you carry a folder for self-defense purposes in a pants pocket, you're not supposed to carry _anything_ else in that pocket. That way, nothing can interfere with the draw when reaching for the knife. And, you can't accidentally cut yourself while reaching for something else in THAT pocket.
i have this knife. the most dangerous thing about this knife is how slick the handle scales are. the flipper tab bumps your finger out of the compression lock area when closing. doesn't really allow for knife fidgeting. action is so smooth because of the bearings that you could actually flick the knife open. that could cause legal problems if your area has "gravity blade" laws.
Big fan of your channel. I let ads play at the beginning & end of your videos but yt had 2 ads mid-roll by the 5.50 mark & another 1 before the end. I skipped them. Just wanted you to know, I understand that yt controls the ads, not you. Thought it was a strange looking knife but at its price there was no danger of me buying it. BTW I like strange looking knives.
Designs like this with obvious safety issues makes me wonder how many lawsuits knife companies have to deal with. I can't see this being a huge money makers, so I hope they're still coming out ahead overall.
I got one of these because I love the look. It slice me when I was fondling it, lol. I almost returned it but I just love the look too much to get rid of it.
this is one knife i really, really want.... to get, and mod... more choil, possibly less flipper tab, possibly de wave, new clip.... i just love the blade shape
Great job cutting the cheese mate.. I watched several times and noticed while cutting the tomatoes, your finger was in the way of the blade... Maybe next time try not to do that.. thanks for another great fun video
It's called an Emerson WAVE. Invented by Ernest Emerson of Emerson Knives. Spyderco has a couple of their models with the WAVE mod. Just look up Spyderco Delica Wave,or Endura or Dragonfly. Other Companies like Kershaw/ZT Knives also make knives with the Wave opener Cold Steel also has a few models with their own version of the Wave feature - Cold Steel Rajah,AK47,Colossus and others.
Doesn't Spyderco also pay the designers? That would account for part of the higher price. Good to see someone being an individual and not just following the mob of arm-flailers. Lots of people were afraid of a very specific, very unlikely situation, but not from actual use, just theory. Thanks for putting the knife to use, to share real thoughts.
I make it my personal rule in life to never put unsafe knives in my pockets. 1. I like my fingers and try and avoid cutting them pointlessly 2. I like my junk and try and avoid cutting them pointlessly
Interesting. I've flipped a buddy's Ikuchi around for a couple minutes, but never carried one. Does it have the same issue with the blade being exposed at the compression lock?
I think I might like Take Over more than Last Surprise. But I’ve been listening to that one on repeat for the past 3 years, so maybe it’s just nice to have variety
Regarding the hole, I think it’s because they put holes in all their blades, even fixed blades, as I’m sure you’re aware. I don’t believe they intended for the hole to be an opening method for this knife.
People can complain about the design flaw of the edge being exposed (many people mod a choil in there, but many others say there is no problem with it...I don't like the design so I'm not going to go on about it). They can complain about it being S30V (which IMO is just fine, although it is a bit pricey at $200). Spyderco likes to take chances and throw new things out there, while still building some of the best knives around. And Sal is just a treasure of a human being. But there was a big missed opportunity I felt...I mean, the Mi'Lady part was great but what I really want to know is... What would Uncle Randy say???
The thing I hate the most about the knife is hot spot from the compression lock tab, the best part though is the action, it's insane, blade is heavy with good bearing and just falls shut like a real expensive knife, got mine from pinechaos for a steal, keeper
I want to pick up a Spyderco just to see what all the fuss is about but I just can't get over how they look. I guess I should just grab a delica and sell it if I don't like it
It's fascinated me for awhile now. Just not enough to drop the $ on one. I don't like the Waves and would rather have the rest of the steel they milled out back on the blade, personally. I'd also rather have a Shaman or Spydiechef for that price. Thanks, Pete!
As someone who edc's a balisong, this knife looks about as safe as any folder I've ever seen. You can cut your finger on paper. It's really not a big deal
He has NO idea. It’s strange...he’s so exacting on the grinding stone & with most of what he does then haphazardly cuts tomatoes in weird sections without curling his fingers in & stabs himself. Every person who cuts vegetables like that is asking for blood or wanting to lose their fingertips.
I don’t think this is a cookery channel, but while we’re off topic could anyone tell me how long to boil an egg for a runny yolk? I always over cook them 😞.
Are we going to ignore that this knife is basically an exact copy of the Emerson CQC-8 with a flipper thrown on it? Seriously, look at the handles and blade shapes and tell me that they aren't almost identical.
@@dieseldabz7104 Ernest Emerson did not design the knife, he licensed the use of his wave feature to Spyderco. Javier Vogt designed the knife, and apparently ripped off the CQC-8 design as well
Exposed edge on a closed folding knife by my veiwes is a design fail have had two knives with that issue and have put out with the rest of the trash sorry Spiderco can't see the value in this product and thanks for reviewing it
Hey Pete... good review... you bring good and valid points to the table.. Do you still have your police 4 in k390? Is it for sale..? Or could you be tempted to part with it???
I think I would be less concerned of the blade cutting me, as I would be that said edge exposure getting nicked or dinged by things like keys, coins, or pens in the pocket.
I'm sure it was "caught". They just didn't care. There's no way something this obvious went unnoticed. But they know their target market for the Tropen is collectors, not users. So it will be sitting on a shelf for 99% of people.