I graduated from highschool in 2005. The new 3v Mustangs had just hit the local Ford dealerships. Knowing the newer Coyote powered cars make more power but the 05-09 will always have a special place in my heart.
Incredible quality once again mate. I salute you for spending the hours needed to pull this together! Oh and the power looks fantastic. This NA setup should suit your turbo setup down the road. 👊👍
@@jacobspeeds That's what I'm looking for but a Shelby GT500. I love the looks and performance of that car and you still have many mods to make to make it a serious beast And I have a '15 Challenger SRT (with all Hellcat visual/performance parts FROM THE FACTORY) but have never been truly happy with her - never even named her and only put 5500 on her so far. So the plan is to try and find a dealer with a fairly low mileage model with whom I can trade, but hard to get a righteous trade if there's no really money in it and because of what my car is, NADA has trade in value of my car at a median of $34k. Whatsthevin.com slapped me in the face with a cash offer of $29k proving that my best option(s) are either a private sale (which I honestly don't feel like dealing with, even more insulting process) or dealer trade. Yeah, there are a ton of SRT's out there, but not many like this one in the 2015 model year - the total premium package is pretty much a 2018 T/A offering. So, if any of y'all know of a dealer with a nice '14 Shelby GT500 in their inventory (which hopefully didn't have the SNOT beat out of it and is still stock - like mine is - I don't think I ever even hit 100 because I live in NYC (but moving to PA by the Spring, where I can actually enjoy driving again), please hit me up! I love this guy's honest content and he's not some kid who's looking to wrap himself around a tree. HOWEVER, I knew there was no way in hell he was going to hit close to 700 wheel in a naturally aspirated 3V 4.6. It's just not enough displacement without boost to get there. Love what he did with his GT though. Looks sweet. There IS something about this gen 3V that I love but I agree, the 13 - 14 is just a different animal, especially the Shelby!
You really can't beat the design of the 05-09 S197. The "facelift" smoothed all the hard lines out of the car. The worst offender is around the wheels. 05-09 had very nice looking flares. The tail end is much nicer too. The facelifted car's rear is far too smooth and fat, and the tail lights on the 2010-2012 (I believe...) were just awful. Like a child's toy. The later models did have very nice tail lights though. IMO the 05-09 S197 is the closest we've come to the 1965 Fastback design that is every guy's wet dream. I bought one brand new in 2007 and still have it! Great cars.
@@AKcelsior I feel the same about the rear tail lights, it looks like they tried to improve the looks with a cheap after market add on imo (not knocking any ones ride just not liking the looks) the front is ok I guess.... the S197 feel is old school imo and I should know I have had in the past two 70 mustangs a second generation Capri and my 89 mustang lx 5.0 conv.. when I found my 08 V6 auto a few years ago it was a fun old school feel 100% and now my new to me 09 GT conv 4.6 5spd is what I have been looking for in a modern car, i'm on top of the world and love this 45th so much.
"Man gets frustrated trying to squeeze NA power out of 4.6 Modular" Ahh yes, a tale as old as time. In all seriousness, this is a great video. And a great resource for guys looking at 2009, 2010 or whatever mustangs and wondering what the cost savings is worth. Having switched over to a coyote on my 3rd mustang I know I'm betraying my roots and I still miss that 4.6 sound, but the benefits are hard to ignore if any type of track use is on the table.
So, considering your previous dislike for the frpp intake manifold, what brought you back around to it? In your opinion, is the mid-range torque loss worth the top end gain for a street car?
Mark Gray I think if your 3 valve is a daily then yeah all that top end gain isn’t worth it, unless you go around looking for cars to roll race, it just really depends on what you plan to do
slightly off topic here but there's a lot of 2010 Mustangs around here (bay area california) lately (v6 and v8 models) not sure why. I've also been seeing < 10,000 mile 2010 V6 blue mustangs out and about, too (can tell, no rock chips on front fascia and no license plates). Kinda neat but not sure what the sudden surge of 2010 mustangs is about.
I agree. My car is a beast and I live 20 miles from the Atlantic Ocean in the Charleston, South Carolina area. I have the Brenspeed tune with all bolt-ons except the Ford Racing Manifold and Throttle Body and she acts like an animal.
I am originally from Columbia, SC. I moved to Cheyenne, WY and bought a 2005 Mustang GT. It felt sluggish at this elevation level, so I visited Columbia, SC in July of this year and the difference in sound and horsepower was Phenomenal!! Being at sea level everyone thought my car was modded which it isn't. I'm dying to move back to sea level
Another '07er here. Yesterday my boss was bragging about his S550 and that it does this and it does that, I said, "Yeah, but it just doesn't look right." Conversation over...
@@guitarded197 I personally think the 15 to 17s look way better but I guess I thats the nature of judging looks. Its subjective. I will say though having driven many of both the s550 is in a difference league performance and handling wise.
@@guitarded197 Then your boss is stupid, and so are you to a lesser degree. Sure the fifth gens look better, but the S550s look good too, and performance is performance.
Been watching your videos since I got my S197 GT. A friend had done a ton of work to it before selling it to me. I'm interested in getting close to 500WHP in the coming years. Your channel has been a great source of information, and your production quality is always top notch.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to take the S197 body and put it on a S550 chassis (if that’s even possible). If they do, they could have the best of both worlds for S197 fans. I owned both an S197 and currently own a S550. I like both for what they are, but have to admit the S550 is my favorite.
I like the dyno curve comparison with the more modern vehicles. I would really like to see and hear some in car footage, I'll bet that cam sounds sick!
I’m happy you finally got a good tune coupled with the FRPP manifold. I installed the FRPP manifold and BBK shorty headers on my 3v and had peak gains of 18whp and 9wtq. But as you explain in the video, this doesn’t tell the whole story. I gained an average 36WTQ and 24WHP from 4,800RPM to 6,600RPM. The personality of the car is completely changed.
6:47 you're describing runner length based on air velocity. It's more about rpm. When the intake valve closes incoming air is suddenly forced to stop and compresses against it. This creates a pressure wave that is reflected back up the runner. When the signal reaches the end of the runner it is reflected back toward the intake valve again (see diffuser). This precharges the incoming air. To optimize air flow you want the intake valve to be opened as the reflected pressure wave is incoming. Higher RPM means that a shorter distance is needed for the pressure wave (signal) to travel. That's why short runners work at higher rpm. Longer runners are found on vehicles requiring more low end torque. Torque is a function of cylinder fill. Forced induction torque curves are so different because cylinder fill is less dependent on rpm. Then, horsepower is torque x rpm. I have a sheet metal intake on my LS1. PCV system on these allows a lot of oil into the intake. I was missing a manifold bolt, and this resulted in an oil leak. It didn't occur that an intake gasket leak would cause a mystery oil spray mess. When I put a new bolt in the problem went away. I've known for a while about the whole runner length thing I described, but I didn't think it made that much pressure. Trust me it's substantial. Excellent work on your 3V btw.
Hey great comment, appreciate this info. Check out this study on intake runner length versus torque when you have some time: www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/emr-adj-length-intake/
@@Four_Eyes That is interesting. I wouldn't have expected dips in torque curves. If I had to guess an intake runner has to chosen based on wave number of the compression. 1st order would be a little over 14 ft for 4800rpm. Obviously runners are much shorter. The question is how to calculate the runner harmonics and apply it in the real world. I'm beginning to wonder if it so complex that the work is done empirically, as in your link. The problem is difficult enough simply assuming the speed of sound at STP conditions. Further calculations have to be done to find the pulse width. Then apply that over an rpm range. MAP sensors don't account for acoustics...
Dude i loved this video, loved the attention to detail, the hp comparisons even with the ls3 camaro. Very interesting. everything about the vid was really cool. Awesome job!
You need to keep doing these videos. Not only because of your car, but because of how damn talented you are at making videos. You have the talent and the editing skills to become a 100k + Subscriber channnel. Eventually even non mustang fans will see your content and watch it because of how well done your videos are. Keep up the great work, and keep pumping out the videos ( I know with as well done as these are, they HAVE to take a lot of time to make)
Hey thanks for kind words. I'll be back soon. They do take awhile to make, but waiting on tuning and body shops can take anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks, those delays are hard to get around.
Like i was suggesting earlier in a previous vid you did a few years back, if you did a 4.10 rear end gear upgrade, it won't change numbers, but it will be a big launch difference.
Great job👍👍. I have an 05 gt that I absolutely love, even though it sometimes seems like the 3V is the stepchild of the last 15yrs in the mustang family, I love the 3V, glad you are showing how to properly build. thanks
Love it ! Thanks for giving us feedback after soooooooo long ! Keep it up ! Doing us a bigger favor of saving us your viewers money and time and choosing a good set up not just burning our money !
I'd consider this particular set up if I were content with the 4.6l 3 valves maximum n/a output of about 430 crank hp. Realistically, it is an adequate amount of horsepower for fun. Good build. Ford Racing had a package like this available a couple years ago, and the power your making is what they advertised. Right on. . .
What I like about the 4.6 modular engine is the sound. For some strange reason I like the sound better than the coyote. I own the 4.6 L my son went out recently and purchased a brand new coyote. He went out and spend an arm and a leg on having the exhaust modified long tube headers x-pipe the whole nine yards he agrees with me that although he's quicker he prefers the deeper Rumble of my car. Compared to his faster more expensive setup.
So glad you’re back. Your videos make me want to dig back into my 2008 Bullitt.. my mods are almost the same as yours (stock intake/TB) otherwise pretty much spot on.. Power numbers are similar as well, anyways. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, excellent series. Thanks!
Man I really like your channel I like the way you break it down and make it simple and easy and all the work that you did to get there is amazing Jean taking stuff off and putting it back on and explaining it and I really really appreciate your breakdown of all the things that you've done and a comparison with Camaro and the Coyote and and all that that is really really cool
I totally agree with on style over horsepower. 2005- 2009 was the best looking mustang since 1970. I bought the 08 Bullitt for the same reason. I too plan to get some more hp out of mine as well eventually
That 3.7 imho is the bang for your buck. Damned things are a dime a dozen where I live and I imagine in other states like Florida they probably are even less $$. I think if I was getting a 2013 I might consider that 3.7, super cheap. The 4.0 was a good engine if I am not mistaken but it had stigma in the Mustang community and just wasn't up to snuff for the car to have. I used to own one, it was fine but paired with an auto it wasn't the most fun to drive. it was pretty good though.
I'm buying a 2007 GT with the premium package. It's torch red, and I love the style of these cars. The one I'm getting has the smoked euro style headlights with yellow tinted fog lights, and it's a 5 speed. I'm getting it because I know how reliable these 4.6L are, and I love the style of these cars.
I remember seeing the s197 platform time I seen the a covetable at 40th Of at Nashville speedway what great looking car timeless deign👍👍👍👍👍👍 nice increase in power your car is really clean looking.
A few years back I had an 07 with a blown up motor I picked up for cheap. I ended up putting a H/C/I LS3 into it and it was an awesome daily driver. 491 whp and 447 tq.
Man as a V6 owner, somehow I love following this haha. I'm also very happy with my older engine because of the 05-09 aesthetic. I can't wait to see what you'll pull out of your 3v in the end!
@@trystanswansonart Yeah it's in a though spot with the 4.6 V8 and the 3.7 V6 on the market in roughly a similar price class. It helps though if you just enjoy the engine for what it is and stop comparing. I have plenty of moments where I am pleasantly surprised by what the 4.0 can do, and it's carried me faithfully through roadtrips of 3k+ miles, so I have a personal sense of loyalty to this car haha.
I had the 4.0 pony package. The 3V with a MT is so much more fun to drive though and has less reliability issues off the dealership lot. 4.0 is good tho but now seeing < 100k GT 3V going for under 7 grand it is a no brainer which one to get. All the used car market makes it look like I spent too much on both cars though oh well. Thank god for ebay and stuff I could get on the side, phew.
@@thedude1866 For the used v6 I'd definitely go with the 3.7 over the 4.0 and I'd laugh at all the 3.7 owners that hated on the V8 when I spent less on a preowned car than they did on a new one. ;) I see 3.7's EVERYWHERE literally these days, nothing at all special about them but very, very easy to find and on the cheap. A lot of people that own them don't seem to care about them not sure why it is, I see a lot with dings and dents, haven't been washed for months, etc. I would treat one as well as my GT if I owned one, honestly.
@@dennisstith2860 there is literally nothing wrong in reliability with the 3v 4.6 GT. We have an 07 with over 320,000 miles on it that has literally never had any work done besides routine basic maintenance.
The 2005 - 2009 retro look is awesome , 3v w/long tubes and cams sound mean , too easy to buy a new car, great video and content, there are so many of these cars around makes great content for a lot folks !
Great video again dude. If you want to squeeze maybe +5hp more out of the motor, you can swap the hydraulic power steering for the newer s197 style EPAS. just swapped mine out and it feels great!
That look at 1:12 is awesome. It looks better than any Mustang since. Ford had it right with this style and they should have done what Dodge did with the Challenger, make subtle changes to it. In my opinion the changes they made in 2010 were awful. I hate that squish rear end look of the 2010 with all the cheap plastic on the bumper cover. This car had a cool retro look and feel, and a distinct street presence that was lost when they changed it.
Four Eyes I think one of the best parts of the 05-09 is the rear stance especially with wide tires on the car. For 2010 they would have been better off not changing the rear and just updating the front. I have mixed feelings about the 15+. Some look good like the Shelby GT350 but others don’t look so good. I think the squat down back end looks kinda odd.
Been following your video's for awhile its been loads of fun and very interesting especially since your spending the money and I'm learning alot I recently bought a 2008 with only 9000 miles now i know what not to do to get more power thanks.
awesome video man yet too see a video that actually explains power more than just peak numbers. wish more people went into things with these things in mind.
@@TheDude2111 depends on what you want from the ending result. Yeah you could swap in a 5.4 but the 4.6 & 5.4 both have powder forged piston rods in their reciprocating assembly that blow into dust if you push them past 10 lbs of boost from a blower or turbo. A good stroker kit would come with a forged crank high strength piston rods and depending on which route you go boosted or naturally aspirated a piston that can handle the increased stress from boost or a longer crank throw. Most engines being boosted get a low compression piston design to prevent predetonation and most naturally aspirated engines get a piston designed to increase compression. Your truck engine would have powder forged rods if you get an engine out of a factory boosted car then you would have a "little" stronger rod design.
@@jeremiahpike6372 maybe yes maybe no Hyundai factory rods suck but 10 psi on a 5.4 is like 12 on a 5.0 plus faster spool time. Also it's all in the tune, the 302 blocks were thought to only hold 500 ish hp but now there are guys making 800 whp and multiple passes
@@TheDude2111 Displacement has no bearing on the amount of stress an assembly can handle the quality of the parts with which the engine is assembled is what changes the point at which the stress of operation is to great for it. Also there is no correlation between displacement and boost pressures. A diesel engine can be pushed to 100psi of boost with modifications. A great example of this is the exact engine in which you just referred. The pushrod 5.0 has better rods than the 4.6/5.4 as in they aren't powder forged units. The 5.0 pushrod engine if in good condition can handle around 18lbs of boost with no issue other than the structural limits of the block. The crank and pistons in the pushrod 5.0 are both forged. Forged steel crankshaft and forged aluminum pistons. The rods connecting the two are also not heated and pressed together steel dust into the shape of a rod. The pushrod 5.0 had rods cast from molten steel. This is why the pushrod 5.0 can actually make more power than the structural integrity of the block. Ford overbuilt the pushrod 5.0 and the underbuilt the 4.6 as far as the internal parts anyway. Now yes you are right it's possible to get over 1000hp from a Windsor block providing that you actually add structural rigidity to the block. Lower main cap girdles and a lifter valley girdle and studding the cylinder heads can get you more than 800hp worth of block. To make that kind of power with the Windsor design boost of some kind or nitrous would be required. The new coyote is the next generation of the 4.6 design fixing all the problems the 4.6/5.4 had and also using separate camshafts for intake and exhaust valves on the coyote. The coyote is a modern version of the 4.6. breaking the camshaft up into two separate units for intake and exhaust allows for complete timing adjustment on both the intake and exhaust which adds lots of drivability to an engine capable of doing much more power wise.
@john jones that's the crazy thing about it they're using 88 to 93 blocks with the factory trw pistons every thing I've read states leave fuel fat around 10.5 to one and rpms under 6k and it'll hold (I think most of these guys are gapping rings to .030 ). It's a ticking timebomb but talk about bang for your buck.
Karl Hopkins 100% worth, 3Vs have leaking OPA cam phasers, self-grenading undersized roller followers, separating spark plugs, and are overall pieces of shit that ALSO sound like shit.
Great well done video. I owned a 2012 5.0 6 speed last year. I currently own a 04 z06 and picking up a 05 GT 3v auto. Believe it or not that 05 is the best driving one out of the 3. I think because it was never beaten on, original owner, and garaged since new. All this leads to it being a very nice smooth daily. I probably will not go as wild as you(maybe just intake/tune) but I am glad to know it can compete with the big boys!
Debs husband says I think it depends on what a person is trying to achieve. I have a 2006 Mustang GT with a few mild upgrades. I knew when I bought the car it was not as powerful as the Coyote powered Mustangs. I bought it for the retro styling. I can understand a person spending money on a car if they are going to race it to make money hopefully on a racetrack but what is the point of pouring a lot of money into a car if its just going to be driven on the street? I guess some people get off on theirs being bigger than someone else's but no matter how fast you are there's always someone who's going to be faster. The technology is constantly changing. To me the important things is to have fun and be safe.
Great video. Useful info, clearly explained, and right to the point... it's obvious you know what you're talking about, which can be rare with YT car/ modding content... BTW, totally agree about the 05-09's... they're a clean, beautiful car. The 4.6's are fantastic, durable, fun engines even if the newer stuff makes more power... and they've really proven themselves in NASA's Spec Iron Mustang racing series.
The heads are holding you back now, and will need to be addressed in the future if you want to wring all the power out of that 3valve. Great series! Your production values are top-notch! Look forward to the next one.
Very good video. We achieved very similar numbers with some comp cams NSR cams on one of my student’s GT. I think we put down about 350 to the tires on a mustang dyno. I was pretty surprised since I’m used to the ls platform. Good work working your way through the airflow bottle neck game.
WhiteC7Z07 sometimes it’s best people do these things to sort out what’s best in making the most power of all you can afford is a 3v 4.6, shoot I wish people would pay more attention to the 96-98 4v 4.6 so I can see what my best options are to make maximum power out of that old 4v,with just 3:73 gears,light weight aluminum drive shaft,bbk intake and throttle body,under drive pulleys,and muffler delete the car has done very well against ls2 c6 corvettes only putting a 2 car gap on me and same with coyotes lol,my car doesn’t even have a tune and also has bad imrc’s that are half way closed at all times lol 😂
Hey man. It’s worth to mod 2v. I have x pipes, 75mm intake, 3.73 gears, cold air intake, and I can assure you my 2003 GT is faster than people think. I’ve embarrassed BMW M3 before.
WhiteC7Z07 BEO THATS NOT EVEN A DAYS WORTH OF WORK. Ahaha I feel bad for people like you that don’t know how to make simple upgrades and think it’s sooo hard. How do you feel about the c8 spanking you’re corvette in the twisties!?!?!! I feel bad for you. Then again my pops is a mast tech with a lift at his house. Poor guy):
Car looks great. One of my fav generations. It's interesting to see someone try to push a mostly stock setup as much as it can go. Usually see turbos & stuff being added o as soon as it leaves the dealership.
Problem with that man is that being as SS owner and having buddies who own mustangs and Mopars, there arent many stock models around so anytime you run into one another you have to assume everyone has done at the very least what you have.
I compliment you on your ability to put style over performance lol. I like how you pointed out what the upgrades did and didn't do. Im thinking heads and another custom tune to get that mid range back plus more. What about higher compression?? Keep up the good work.
