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SSL 4K B First Impression 

Hopetown Sound
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SSL Audio just dropped their new 4K B channel strip, the 2nd channel strip compatible with their UC-1 hardware plugin controller. i just downloaded and got my first impression.
new features include a mix control for the compressor section (9k and 4k versions) and only in the 4K B the addition of a simulated mic pre (transformer) - very cool!
I really like it and I think it's going to be very complementary to the 9k. 

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24 авг 2024

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@omarbonifacino2230
@omarbonifacino2230 Год назад
Great SSL and Cubase e API sound
@G_handle
@G_handle Год назад
Hey Brotha, I'm loving you're videos. This is the third one I've watched today. Sorry you had to move Studios, but it seems like it's working out quite well. Please let us know how the new SSL strip works for you, by itself and interspersed with the Native 2. I've had the SSL plugins since Duende and they always upgrade it for Free! It's the purchase that keeps adding more and more value. So I have the Native Channel Strip & Bus Compressor and am amazed at how much better it got than the old version. Before, like I said I bought Duende, but since everyone made an SSL plugin, I had them all...all pretending to be like the Console. Then came Console 1. I was at Namm in January when it was announced, then Softube dropped some RU-vid videos with Chris Jenkins at SSL, then I was at NAB in April and Met Chris and he told me that it Blows all the others away, including thier own. This is the guy who has spent decades flying around the world Installing 4000s & 9000s, likely touching and hearing more boards than anyone on earth. He's also the guy that approved All SSL collaborations and new products. We talked for hours over 2 days (ironically I was deciding between the XL-Desk and the Matrix, both new and in this category that made way for the Box!. BTW, he said "Get the Matrix! It's a small Duality that's way under-priced. The XL-Desk is an Over-priced analog box of compromises with a 500 Rack bolted on because it's popular right now. " (And the fader-taper is wrong and doesn't feel like any other SSL). I never got either, opting for the Audient/Focusrite 2802 which has way more for way less. (When the original BOX came out I gave it a test drive, but it missed the mark. Yours, the BOX 2 is the best bang for buck Medium Format board available on the market. But the Rack immediately reminded me of the XL-DESK! ) Sorry such long-posts, but I wanted to get back to the Hybrid setup and suggest that You check out Console 1. I love SSL360 and that new workflow, don't have the UC1 but midi mapped the channel strips long before they had controllers. (*also 360 on dedicated touchscreen or artist monitor!). But Console 1 is like UC1 SSL360, but much more. However you really need to get to know it. With the API being basically a Clean Summing Mixer, which the mouse-clickers see only as negative, it means that when you Add Console 1 across every channel, like the SSL Native, the Hybrid workflow really does let you change your desk sonically. Console 1 comes with the 4000E, but you can add 7 other full Console Emulations. However, unlike the UC1, the channel-strip is really a chain of 6 sections that can be swapped out much like Plugins or Outboard. The 8 full consoles alone broken into 6 parts gives you dozens of configurations. But you can also load hundreds of other standalone plugins from both Softube and Universal Audio. From what I see in your Studio and the choices you've made, Console 1 fully loaded is the one thing missing. Not sure if you're in the UA ecosystem, but many of UAs plugins were actually produced by Softube (and Brainworks) and you can get the VST versions that sound identical, without investing in SHARK chips. (Which I have). (If you are invested in UAD, the UAD Console software can be controlled by Softube Console 1 hardware at the press of a button, and it feels like Universal Audio built it. Say you have an Apollo 8p a Twin and the Neve 1073 plug-in strapped across all 10 Unison Preamps. Adding hands on control over with Console 1 turns that into a virtual Neve BCM10 front-end to track through. How's that stack up with your 312s, or BAEs? To each is own, but Many platinum vocals have been cut on UAD, and at the least it's a Different flavor. Plus they have a Bunch of other Unison Preamps and Channel Strips to choose from. You already mentioned in another video that the BOX gave you an API at a $50,000 discount. Adding SSL360, Console 1, and UAD to the BOX, even with All the plug-ins at Full price, convincingly does the same thing for far less than that API rebate check you just cashed.
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
I appreciate the hard sell, I've been using UAD for about 18 years probably since they first came out. I've had full UAD 1 systems and right now I have 14 cores and over 80 plug-ins. I couldn't be more familiar with the UAD stuff. It's awfully good but it's not analog. their API emulations in particular don't make it. I like their SSLE channel but channel strip two is better I feel, and the new 4K B is better at that sound. i'm aware of the control one it's a nice looking piece but there's a reason I got the UC 1, and there's definitely a reason I got The Box. even the audient is nice but it's not an API. when you push the box, you get that classic API low end that none of the plug-ins can achieve. it just sounds like a big console. i'm a bigger fan of the UAD 1073 strip. I have BAE hardware versions that I go to first, but I only have four of those. i'm not a huge fan of soft tube to be honest with you. for some reason I own the CL-1B and Summit plugins, but I never use them, they don't sound like the analog. and I have a hardware curve bender. they make a nice plug-in but it's not the analog either. actually the waves Mastering version of the Chandler stuff I think is better. I looked pretty hard at the matrix, it's an interesting looking board but in the end I wanted the API sound. if I ever want to update it'll probably be between the AMS or just getting a 1608. I have the mega bundle from brainworks so I already have everything they make for UAD native anyway. People have to be crazy to buy that stuff from UA lol. my interface is a lynx Aurora N 32 ch. it's funny once you get over 16 channels lynx is actually cheaper than UA, And I also have an Apollo x4 - the lynx does sound better anyway, i'll let you know when I decide I'm missing something in my system 👍
@G_handle
@G_handle Год назад
@Hopetown Sound Perfect reply! I think I agree with everything that you just said. Analog is absolutely Analog. That's why I'm Hybrid rather than Digital (which would be much easier, faster, and cheaper....but it ain't better.) I'll reply to this reply properly when I have time, but I didn't mean anything was Wrong with your setup. I openly Envy your system and choices. Keep it coming!
@SonnyGreenwichJr
@SonnyGreenwichJr Год назад
Yup, loving it so far! Although I find it visually a little darker now, less clear but I guess it's also time for new glasses... Salutations from astonishingly mild and weirdly back to normal Ireland! ☘☮🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮☘
@sm5574
@sm5574 Год назад
They also added pan/width knobs on stereo tracks. It does make me wonder if they will be releasing new versions of the hardware with more knobs for these features. (It also makes me wonder if SSL may be testing the waters for introducing their own DAW?)
@stevenrayphoto1280
@stevenrayphoto1280 11 месяцев назад
I'm a new subscriber found you on your video at Sweetwater reviewing the UC1. Do you think the 4K B sounds as good as the UAD SSL channel strip?
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound 11 месяцев назад
i would have to do a direct A/B, but it sounds very good. I like the 4K B on things that need to sound thick. Not so much for things where I want to clear top end. the standard channel strip 2 is good for that. what I appreciate most about the SSL channel strips is the anti-crimping filter on the EQs makes multiple instances work well together. i'm mostly mixing analog now. When I need to use a Channel EQ plugin my first choice tends to be the UAD 1073. this isn't even about whether I want Neve or SSL coloration. Any plug-in compared to a premium analog channel sounds small. The UAD 1073 is one of the few plugins that even gets close to the size and dimension of analog. it's a strange experience when you start mixing analog and then load up plugins that you used to be happy with only to have them sound small by comparison.
@stevenrayphoto1280
@stevenrayphoto1280 11 месяцев назад
@@hopetownsound Thank you for the detailed reply. I used mainly Neve, API, and Trident with 2 inch 24 track my entire career. I am now retired and trying to get close to that sound in my home studio. I do still have my V72's, MX10's, Langevin116 tube pre's and 5116b tube pre's. . I also am using AEA R44 and R88 ribbon mics with their TRP2 mic pre's trying to get as close to an analog sound as I can. Currently using Luna with the API vision console but when demoing the UAD SSL channel strips my first impression was they sound a lot better than the API channel strips. I will be recording a group of session players this month on an all acoustic project - kind of Neal Young meets James Taylor vibe. I would love to get more of a vintage sound. Hopefully the mic pre's with the UAD Luna daw will get me close!
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound 11 месяцев назад
i have been particularly unimpressed with UAD's attempts at API emulations. I like the Lindel 50 API channel strip much better (in the plugin alliance collection). i agree that UAD's SSL is much better then their API. it's a weird thing, it's true for their 500 series emulations as well. They're 550 and 560 equalizers don't sound very good - the Waves versions are better (very unusual). they just can't seem to nail that sound. The newer version of the Helios channel strip is actually pretty good. I have the hardware equalizers and love them. For a big open acoustic sound you might try doing the two week demo of that channel strip. if you don't own the 1073, maybe demo that one as well. i'm guessing you probably have the 1176 package but they've been running some crazy labor day sale. with the $50 coupon i think its $38. That's a plug-in that's really worth using and good enough to put up next to analog processors.
@stevenrayphoto1280
@stevenrayphoto1280 11 месяцев назад
@@hopetownsound Thank you I'll check it out. Would you rather mix with the UA SSL strip or the SSL plugins with the UC1 and 360 advantages?
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound 11 месяцев назад
well... the SSL is native and has a much lower DSP footprint so you can use more of them. The anti-crimping filter in the equalizer really makes having a bunch of them at once work nicely, and the SSL 360 software is cute. Doesn't really mean much to me but it's fun to see it look like an actual SSL console. I feel like if you're going with the SSL versions you want both the channel strip 2, and the 4KB I don't think I'd be really satisfied with just one of them. The UAD is a little more like having both in one. The biggest difference is the channel strip 2 does not have the simulated transformer on the input, only the 4K B. But like the real 4K, the compressor is not as flexible as the channel strip 2. I'm in a place right now where I'm not really using any of them very much lol, but I do have them all so if I get a second, I'll try to do a little shoot out.
@frankpaws
@frankpaws Год назад
I've already got the UAD why would I want this considering it is Subscription only or hardware UC1 gift. SSL talks alot of modeling but their Voilet Fusion EQ wasn't really anything more than an EQ with fancy knobs. Have you tried the Plugin Alliance 9k?
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
i would wait for a sale and buy it. At some point they'll sell it cheap. i have the UAD too, the 9000 channel strip 2 is noticeably better to me. The EQ uses this new anti-crimping filter, it really does make the top end more natural, and makes it work better with multiple instances. Also this is native and takes up almost no dsp. you really can put these on 24 channels.
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
Also it's not subscription only. Just wait for a sale. SSL's normal prices are insanely high but their sale prices are insanely low. Last April the channel strip and the bus comp together or $50.
@frankpaws
@frankpaws Год назад
@@hopetownsound I've gotten a bunch of their stuff on sale. Someone on the DUC said that this channel strip was subscription only unless you were an owner of the UC1 then you got a perpetual license.
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
I just looked and you can buy the 9000 and the bus compressor, but it's true they're not listing this one individually. I wonder if you have the 9000 you just get this one? anyway I would just wait it out, if they aren't selling it individually yet they will be soon. It doesn't make sense for them to turn down money. The other thought is this really does make the value of the UC 1 much greater. The 2 channel strips and the bus compressor and the hardware for 850 all of a sudden isn't such a bad deal. I have the UAD, and the plug-in alliance channel strips. These really are a cut above. The bus compressor is so good that I sold my Audioscape hardware.
@Supermodelyum
@Supermodelyum Год назад
PASS -- If this weren't a "subscription only" plugin we'd be all over it. But having my hardware held hostage by an iLock subscription is too ridiculous to consider. UAD, FabFilter, McDSP, PA, SoftTubes & others offer "single purchase options" so you don't have to pay for a bunch of plugins you don't want (or use). Tone & character can be achieved in millions of ways without a $15/mo fee. Just feels like a money-grab.
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
SSL puts these plugs on sale once or twice a year for $50 (one time purchase). ive owned the bus comp since v1 and paid even less.
@hopetownsound
@hopetownsound Год назад
it isnt subscription only, its just overpriced when its not on sale (just like everyone else). last April you could get both the channel strip and the bus comp for $50 total. Thats $25 each. The day you can a Fab plug in for even triple that... Also the UADx (spark) is both subscription and iLok. btw... if you don't like having your hardware held hostage by a piece of software.... UAD? there's nothing unusual going on here that isn't happening at every other company.
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