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St George | The Man Behind The Myth 

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The image of Saint George astride his horse, sword and spear in hand, slaying a dragon, is one of the most iconic iconographical spectacles of all time. But what was the historical truth of this deeply mythologised figure? The conventional take on his story is well known: once, long ago, there lived a pagan king who refused to honour the one God. As punishment, a terrible dragon was sent to ravage his lands, and his daughter sent to supplicate the beast. Until, the saintly George rode up to save the girl and the king’s soul…herein lies an important feature of the historical George: his piety, with the earliest sources casting him as a Christian martyr from Cappadocia, gruesomely tortured and killed in the 3rd century BC. Over time the legend has changed and evolved; from the courts of English monarchs such as Edward I and Henry VIII, who celebrated his chivalry to buttress their regimes, to his many religious and ideological detractors. Throughout it all, though, George stands apart from the ranks of Christian saints. But why?
Join Tom and Dominic as they trace the historical Saint George and his famous slaying of the dragon. From the earliest accounts of him in the Near East, to the cults of the medieval era, the reformation, Tudor pageantry, and the introduction of the St George’s flag. Fearsome 17th century dragons, mythical beasts, and miraculous resurrections all feature…
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@KarenBergan
@KarenBergan 3 дня назад
So this is the best of TRIH: When Tom can run a single narrative through the mill of 2000 years of history, and show us how said historical/mythical figure arrives so chipper and cheery on our doorsteps today here in 2024. And Dominic weaves into Tom’s lecture a very funny undercurrent of modern pragmatism, bringing the whole enterprise up a notch. I wish Americans wouldn’t be so serious about our historiography all the time, and take a page out of Tom and Dom’s hugely entertaining playbook.
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 11 часов назад
That's because they didn't go further back in time to the Indoeuropean common myths of the rider shepherd rescuing the cattle from the beast, present in most old tales of this family of languages. And then famously in the story of Sigurd Dragonslayer in the Nibelungiad saga in Burgundy around 5th century.
@wirtification
@wirtification 3 дня назад
Whenever I hear or see something about St. George, 1st I remember my Greek grandfather and his saints name day and the medal he wore of St. George and all the saints icons of St. George in their house. Then I remember a short story I read that I haven't been able to find again, about a knight named George, who heard about a "dragon" menacing a small village, in ancient or medieval Brittan ( it's been 30 years since I read it, so it is a sketchy memory on the time period in the story). He goes to see this monster and ends up battling what turned out to be a massive crocodile (dragon)... It just stuck in my mind because I loved my ancient and medieval history classes in high school and college and of course, being Greek, learning about the saints in Sunday School and about the Greek gods and myths, taugh to me by my Poulie himself. Enjoyed this podcast!
@wirtification
@wirtification 3 дня назад
That's it! I believe the short story was influenced by the dragon sighting in the 1300s.
@Happyheretic2308
@Happyheretic2308 2 дня назад
Have you seen the pictures of the cattle-eating crocodile in Australia? Definite dragon contender ...
@frasegfunk9790
@frasegfunk9790 3 дня назад
Turkey didnt exist back then, once the Ottoman empire expanded into that region Turkey was formed. St George was a Cappadocian Greek.
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 3 дня назад
His father was a Cappadocian Greek, his mother was probably from Lydda in Palestine (present-day Lod)...and no, that doesn't make her "Arab-Roman" 🙄
@willx9352
@willx9352 3 дня назад
And many of their descendants continued to live there until they were violently expelled from their traditional homelands in the 1920s, with the final purge, from Istanbul, in 1955.
@wolfgangwalk337
@wolfgangwalk337 3 дня назад
How to tell that you didn't even listen for 12 minutes without telling you didn't even listen for 12 minutes.
@lukemartin7542
@lukemartin7542 3 дня назад
I suggest watching longer than 5 mins before commenting, they do address this...
@willx9352
@willx9352 3 дня назад
@@lukemartin7542 They do, but why be provocative in the first place. It is even worse, that as historians, they would know of the history of the total destruction wrought by the Turkish invaders on Christianity within Turkish borders, so that now only a minuscule population of Christians remains. This is not ancient history - a half a million Christians were driven from Istanbul as recently as 1955.
@sw6155
@sw6155 3 дня назад
12:29 aha! Finally! Yes! Greek from Capadócia… 🤷‍♀️🤨
@dsjwhite
@dsjwhite 3 дня назад
He was quoting!
@joek600
@joek600 3 дня назад
not needed
@Nero200
@Nero200 2 дня назад
@@dsjwhite why even use such an inaccurate and misleading quote to begin with.. and why take a further 10 minutes before even correcting it. It’s a stupid thing left wing people say every St George’s Day, that he’s Turkish, it’s tiresome.
@unbabunga229
@unbabunga229 3 дня назад
Turkey didn’t exist for nearly 2000 years when St George was around, it didn’t even have Turkish people or their proto culture there for for those 2000 years
@rdreidmehrabi
@rdreidmehrabi 2 дня назад
Keep listening! They clarify he’s Greek!
@ceilingsintheireyes6288
@ceilingsintheireyes6288 2 дня назад
Tom saying that something isn’t true and Dom being dismayed has become this podcast’s catchphrase 😂
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 3 дня назад
St George was also the patron saint of the Republic of Genoa - a state that had an extensive empire that reached as far as the Crimea and the Sea of Azov. The chief financial institution in the city was the bank of St George which is credited with giving this city state its financial stability. It was actually the template for the creation of similar central banks like the Bank of England and is cited by such writers as David Hume and Macaulay. Genoese archers were also employed all over the western world and were famously involved in such battles as Crecy and Agincourt being mercenaries for the French.
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 3 дня назад
Sorry they were not at Agincourt but definitely at Crecy and in the Crusades. Their crossbows were rendered ineffective at Crecy because of the rain but the opposing British bowmen were able to protect their weapons from the rain.
@LS-xs7sg
@LS-xs7sg 3 дня назад
They don’t hate St George. It is England they sneer at
@jimb9063
@jimb9063 3 дня назад
Thank you gents. Interesting to note that disbelief in Dragons coincided rather nicely with the introduction of Dragoons. We never get rid of the lump in the cushion, it pops up elsewhere seemingly, humanist or not. Glad the bones of St Cuthbert of Trumpton Fire Brigade were finally returned to their box for eternity, it's what Captain Flack would have wanted. Didn't notice the link between Dom and Queen Mary until now, but I'm not sure Calais is worth the bones of even one Archangel, let it go. My father was born on the 23rd of April, sharing his birthday with Shakespeare. Naturally he was called Dave. He did go red and cross on occasion if you voiced a lack of belief in Dragoons.
@brussoni
@brussoni 3 дня назад
I am always so excited to see that you guys have posted a new segment. You guys could talk about any historical topic and make it so interesting, your personalities contrast each other very well, always a delight to watch! Greetings from Florida!
@s.williamc.
@s.williamc. 3 дня назад
I bought Saint George’s shinbone on eBay. It was carved into a pencil box in the 18th century by a Jesuit in a Belgian monastery. I use it to store holy relics. It currently has the finger bone of St. Edna Vincent Millay in it.
@johncollins211
@johncollins211 День назад
You just got some random person's body parts. You think some billionaire or museum wouldn't have bought it if it was real.
@GoBlueGirl78
@GoBlueGirl78 День назад
😂😂😂
@marchuvfulz
@marchuvfulz 3 дня назад
George, the people's Saint.
@marcellacantoni8128
@marcellacantoni8128 3 дня назад
people should listen to the whole thing before talking shit, you’re trying to give it to them but you’re the ones being handed back your arses. also, st george is huge in brasil, he’s the patron saint of corinthians, one of the biggest football teams in br and the world, and he’s been enshrined into brazilian popular music with the genius Jorge Ben Jor’s song Jorge da Capadócia. and yes, Jorge Ben is named after him 😂
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 3 дня назад
The details are a little fuzzy in my mind but I once heard that the earliest iteration of the St George and the dragon story occurs in the Hurrian civilization of north eastern Asia Minor (Turkey) and involves a hero who kills a monster and then takes the eyes of the dragon out and puts it somewhere. In Sicily even today there are reenactments of the St George and the dragon story and the same detail concerning the placement of the eyes of the dragon is enacted -exactly in line with the original Hurrian myth showing the connection between the Christian version of the story and the original "pagan" story.
@416dl
@416dl 2 дня назад
Whether we're talking about national saints or other identities that baffle us today, I think it would all be easier to comprehend if we were to understand that in history nations weren't as important as it was that a people were part of Christendom regardless of what language your neighbor or your king spoke.
@howard4linda
@howard4linda 3 дня назад
Strikes me that the difference in mythology between Greek and Christian is that the dragon changes from being a general monster of chaos, of which there were many, to an archetype of Christ defeating Satan. This was is the story played put with the crucifixion. Hero (Christ) defeats dragon (sin/death/satan) with self sacrificial high risk strategy which leads to a universal liberation. I know less about the symbolism of Greek myths, but they seem to lead to heroes becoming glorious and maybe God like, but not leading to universal liberation/freedom from tyranny.
@susannahcuff4895
@susannahcuff4895 3 дня назад
Does Dominic live in a bookshop?
@jameskostrewa9861
@jameskostrewa9861 3 дня назад
Awesome!!!
@hhhhhh9792
@hhhhhh9792 3 дня назад
"St. George was real" is not a question, so you don't end that sentence in a question mark?
@fionamcmurdo5959
@fionamcmurdo5959 2 дня назад
Thank you Really enjoyed the chat. St George & the Zodiac Sumerian/Babylonian Soldier = Sagittarius Sagittarius = Centaur a war-like creature with the torso of a man and the body of a horse Ruling planet = Jupiter Element = Fire = Dragon Keyword = “Idealise” European Royal Bloodlines = The Order of the Dragon (Fire) English George = 57 • 12 = Houses of Zodiac Greek Spelling George = 133 • 7 = spiritual or mysterious ‘God Force’ Ancient Greek = 385 • 16 • 7 = ‘God Force’ Modern Greek = 455 • 14 = 2 x 7 Georgios in Greek gematria = 1191 • 12 3rd Century BC 3 = Jupiter = Thursday = Thor day
@EmilyTodicescu
@EmilyTodicescu 2 дня назад
Dn. Nicholas Kotar’s article, “The Lives of the Saints” (Orthodox Arts Journal) is very illuminating, especially with regard to the more fantastical elements of such hagiography.
@seanoconnor8843
@seanoconnor8843 3 дня назад
Reformation?? More like demolition
@Zifferony
@Zifferony 3 дня назад
This is yet another old episode you've uploaded again and made it look as though it's a fresh episode isn't it?🤔 When you re-post old episodes to make them look like you have just recorded them it would be more honest if you informed the viewer that you are doing so. The more you do this and the more viewers realise this, the more your faithful viewers may lose heart and stop clicking your newly uploaded episodes. At least be up front with it.😒
@wardafournello
@wardafournello 4 часа назад
Άγιος Γεώργιος , Άγιος = dedicated to the gods, holy + Γεώργιος = Cultivator . Saint George (280 - April 23, 303) was a Greek soldier in the Roman army. His father was Gerontius and his mother Polychronia. He came from Cappadocia and served as an army officer under Emperor Diocletian.
@michaelbedford8017
@michaelbedford8017 3 дня назад
Seems odd that he bacame a 'dragonslayer' AFTER he became a martyr? Surely, being dead might have cramped his style in the dragonslaying game.
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
not odd at all viewed through the socalled prism of myth and legend. I mean, you do know what a myth and a legend is, yes?
@pluckinmageetar
@pluckinmageetar 3 дня назад
I believe they were quoting a post written a few years ago about their main topic when they opened up this segment. So of course the bored critics and dime-store, arm-chair historians will lose their collective shite if they only listen to the first 5 minutes. Follow these two for a few episode and youll know that they'll bring it all together in due time by the end.
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
if we are going to venerate soldier saints who are not our Savior Christ, I think we ought to venerate the centurion in the Bible who viewed Christ’s crucifixion and said He is the Son of God, or, the other centurion who asked Jesus to only say the word and his servant word be healed. Those are the best solder saints, with empirical documentation in the Bible too.
@matthewhansen2126
@matthewhansen2126 2 дня назад
You’re talking about St.Longinus
@GsGeorg
@GsGeorg 3 дня назад
In the 3rd century, there were no Turks present in the Levant, Asia minor, or Roman empire.
@richardyates7280
@richardyates7280 3 дня назад
There would probably have been a number of martyred convert soldiers/officials around that time
@rebusak47
@rebusak47 3 дня назад
St Michael and god seem a little sadistic or is it just me?
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
i am new here, they mentioned a previous podcast about dragons at the beginning. Anyone care to point a fellow like me in the direction to which previous episode it was? thanks in advance!
@billder2655
@billder2655 3 дня назад
episode 461 on spotify/wherever you get your podcasts
@BasedHadrian
@BasedHadrian 3 дня назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hpdN0N_XxQM.htmlsi=9rbPbXzkZLQb-giH
@vanmars5718
@vanmars5718 2 дня назад
Yes Saint George was a Cappadonian Greek, from a group of people still living in Cappadonia in central anatolia until the 1922. Why some groups in the English speaking world have labelled him this "Turkish" term is only because these groups of academics told the English folk "look our patron Saint was Turkish, a middle eastern, a brown, an oriental" etc that was the trop behind this "Turkish" label...a product of the recent years of the rise of the antagonism (racial, migration etc) relationships btw the different communities living in the English speaking world. So having a Greek Saint as patron wasn't "good enough" (cause Greek equal european in that sense)... The problem with all that is not why the English academia chooses to revision history in order to make their whole "inclusive" ideology more solid but that the fact that the English academia is actually listened worldwide and through English which is the international language their own trops reach and influence all other people. They are reckless and totally unjustified. This is not the 19th century anymore English Academia, you can't do this right now...its a criminal behaviour.
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 11 часов назад
Kapadokia. Not Capadonia.
@R08Tam
@R08Tam 3 дня назад
As an atheist I found this hilarious
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
15:10; so, basically, George was zombie🤙
@R08Tam
@R08Tam 3 дня назад
He wrote most of them
@derekmcmanus8615
@derekmcmanus8615 3 дня назад
Was the dragon real too...🤔
@markwrede8878
@markwrede8878 День назад
George, slayer of the dragon, has the same name as Horus, defeater of Set. Was the Egyptian prototype real?
@maf74
@maf74 16 часов назад
Very poor from Tom. The George Cross is not named after St George. Maybe the Victoria Cross is named after a St Victoria? Poor form for a historian.
@DemetriosKongas
@DemetriosKongas 3 дня назад
There was no Turkey in Asia Minor in that period for goodness sake. You are so ignoramuses or are you provocative.
@VirtueInEternity
@VirtueInEternity 3 дня назад
Turkish?? really??? you should know better
@wolfgangwalk337
@wolfgangwalk337 3 дня назад
Did you listen for more than 12 minutes? Obviously not.
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 3 дня назад
@@wolfgangwalk337 still, it's sacrilege after what the Capadocian Greek Orthodox Christians suffered under the Turks along with all the Eastern Roman Orthodox Christians, for centuries until there are none left on that area of the world where they were indigenous. And this is still not recognized. It's simply wrong in the most profound way. You cannot begin to fathom the pain of that simple phrase causes especially for us who are to this day Eastern Roman Orthodox Christian and Greek and managed to survive it all miraculously and Saint George is the patron Saint of my village in the Eastern Aegean and my father's own name going back for centuries, from antiquity from one generation to the next. We still exist. It is not a myth! It is my family's history included in all of this revisionism.
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 3 дня назад
@@wolfgangwalk337 and he repeats @46:18. It is criminal.
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 3 дня назад
@@wolfgangwalk337 my answer will show
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 3 дня назад
@@wolfgangwalk337 what happened to the Greek Orthodox Christian in Cappadocia?
@sw6155
@sw6155 3 дня назад
5:14 they REALLY don’t seem to have picked up on the Turkish man idiocy! 😱 Sheesh… 🤦‍♀️😩
@robertalpy
@robertalpy 3 дня назад
You Brits still call is papists? You guys can hold on to a grudge. I did the know anti catholic was still a thing. Of course I'm American so it's not a thing here. We didn't have any wars fought over it so we're more chill about the catholic- protestant thing.
@robertalpy
@robertalpy 3 дня назад
George if he was a roman legionary and a high ranking one, he could have been a lagate in Brittania but since he was persecuted and marytered he was likely in the east under Diocletian rather than in the west under Conatantines father Constantius. Though it would be awesome if he had been born in England. It would fit perfectly.
@miastupid7911
@miastupid7911 3 дня назад
DUDE!!!! REALLY? THERE WAS NO TURKEY. He was Greek just as his name. May Saint George forgive you. I'm finding hard to. And he is burried in Lydda, celebrated on 3 November as well. Lydda which was Palestine under the Romans. The Eastern Orthodox Christian Church still celebrate him on this day 3 November, beyond 23 April.
@rocketpod1
@rocketpod1 7 часов назад
Lol why are we calling him a Turkish soldier
@Nero200
@Nero200 2 дня назад
Why start with a quote saying he is Turkish, when you both know full well and will have to go on to explain he is 100% Not Turkish. The only thing that is Woke is this podcast, pair of regime historians. You probably both would have adapted very well to life in the Soviet Union.
@Wee_Langside
@Wee_Langside 2 дня назад
Just to check how many people listened for more than 2 minutes before commenting?
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
in America, we spell mythologized with a zed☺️; credit Daniel Webster the early American philologist.
@leshazell6050
@leshazell6050 3 дня назад
But you still can't pronounce Aluminium properly 😂
@matthewhansen2126
@matthewhansen2126 2 дня назад
Daniel Webster was a political figure. Noah Webster compiled the dictionary, with spelling reforms of his own. They have stuck, and like all spelling reforms, don’t help.
@nicolemaddison2945
@nicolemaddison2945 2 дня назад
All about marketing, isn't it.
@moseshamlett3887
@moseshamlett3887 3 дня назад
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@sw6155
@sw6155 3 дня назад
2:29 Calling his Turkish is the first important clue that book is likely not reliable source… I can understand and look past Josephus talking about Christ like he’s just another guy b/c he at least made an effort to be accurate. This lady is right off the bet calling him Turkish, that is such inaccurate nonsense, makes it hard to even continue watching if y’all don’t correct that… I’m rather disappointed to see such historical inaccuracy right from the start… Let’s keep watching and see where this goes…
@Thumbs81
@Thumbs81 2 дня назад
Sorry Otto English
@dopejoel
@dopejoel День назад
stop saying Turkish ffs
@galaxyn3214
@galaxyn3214 3 дня назад
🐲🗡✝
@MrHazz111
@MrHazz111 3 дня назад
For those whose brains have been poisoned by Instagram reels and tik tok and can't listen to a podcast for more than 5 minutes, I suggest you don't bother.
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
i bothered. but because my brain is polluted by those things I had to keep on rewinding it over and over to relisten again. And to snipe more comments in the thread. A beautiful thing! This technology where we can rewind things and relisten to them again! 🎉🎉🎉 And so we must bother because we encourage bothering despite the downfalls of some modern technologies. Don’t you agree? Bothering is good, for to learn more even whilst rewinding and, relistening ad infinitum.
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 3 дня назад
In a recent episode you questioned the existence of Helen of Troy, now you question St George and the Dragon you two are hell bent on destroying myths. What led you two to become historical vandals I ask ? Another great episode :)
@leshazell6050
@leshazell6050 3 дня назад
Tom and Dom the magnificent myth slayers! There's a tv project waiting to be made about this!
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 2 дня назад
@@leshazell6050 Please don't encourage them :)
@nozrep
@nozrep 3 дня назад
if you are a Christian and you are venerating a saint over and above the veneration of Jesus Christ our Savior, then you are not a Christian, you are regressed to just another pagan idol worshipper. Same thing with the Virgin Mary. If you are venerating or honoring any saint over the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that’s just more idolatry just as the Apostle Paul wrote on in his letters to the early churches. That being said, I think the cross of St. George and all that knighthood stuff is so cool!! I think it is so cool even as an American who despises all royalty.
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 3 дня назад
I stopped listening when you referred to St. George as "Turkish-Roman" 👎
@mattslater167
@mattslater167 3 дня назад
TBF, it's a quote, not a direct claim by the speaker.
@gaileskops1819
@gaileskops1819 3 дня назад
@@mattslater167 they could have disputed that ridiculous claim
@mattslater167
@mattslater167 3 дня назад
@@gaileskops1819 12 minutes in, they do.
@ChaoMung-t9u
@ChaoMung-t9u 3 дня назад
Good ​@@mattslater167
@wolfgangwalk337
@wolfgangwalk337 3 дня назад
@@gaileskops1819 , that's how you show you're incapable of letting people finish their discourse. At 12:30 they explicitly adress this.
@tarhunta2111
@tarhunta2111 3 дня назад
Turkish Soldier?????? He was a Greek in the Roman Army.George is not a Turkish name.
@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 3 дня назад
What is a Woman. Am I RacistKind of Knight
@RobbyHouseIV
@RobbyHouseIV 3 дня назад
Mmmmm, not one of your better podcasts.
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