Now this is an honest review. You can genuinely tell this man is not sugar coating anything.. Cheers to you and great review.. picking up my CS this week.
Thank you for saying what I've been noticing with all of these staccato CS "reviews". Everyone talks about how this gun is great for CCW over the C2 but it's essentially the same size in the two dimensions that matter most for concealing: grip length and width. I understand the grip is "slimmer" but only in radius due to being less blocky and more contoured compared to the C2. It'll make a slight (and I do mean slight) difference since the back of the grip is slimmer, but in reality most people concealing this or the C2 won't really notice that difference. In fact, the longer slide of the C2 will make it easier to conceal for a lot of people, especially people who carry AIWB, since the longer slide will help keep the gun vertical against the body instead of tipping over like short guns tend to do. Where the CS grip is better, is ergonomics while shooting for a lot of people. It's similar to the argument of people not liking Glocks because the grip is so blocky. That said, as annoying as it is to spend upwards of $2,500 for a pistol and then paying to have work done, a lot of staccato C2 and P shooters get the grips stippled and reduced so it becomes a moot point. The P now has the new CS style grip, hopefully the C2 will soon.
I really like Staccato pistols. My daily carry is a Staccato C. My Staccato P would be great if I still wore a uniform. I tried to carry the C2, but it just wasn't as easy to conceal as the C, so it sits in the gun safe. I had hopes for the CS, but the grip length and profile still doesn't lend itself to concealed carry, at least not in the 3:30 position. (It is probably okay for AIWB carry, but that's for others, not for me.) And the CS that I reviewed wasn't as accurate as my C or C2. Thanks for a good, honest review.
Maybe i’m dating myself saying this , but when I carried “ at work” , we first carried 6 shot S&W revolvers , when we went to Autos I carried a Sig 226, and for a spell a full size 1911. I guess I have just never worried about capacity , as much as the new breed of shooters, I always felt first shots on target , usually won a gun fight . I bought a Staccatto P, and didn’t feel comfortable with the grip , Im more of a standard 1911 grip to be comfortable guy.Recently , I went to the dark side and ordered my first 9mm 1911, a Night Hawk Councelor , I had always bought 1911’s in .45. I considered the CS, but went with the Night Hawk, I really enjoyed your video, I am now a subscriber . 15:57
I appreciate the honest review and it mirrors my experience. I shot the CS way back in December next to my Wilson SFX nine and my nighthawk counselor. Several hundred rounds on both steel and paper. I agree with your comments. If you were trying to get a small 2011 carry, this gun is great. The Wilson is better in every way. It’s smaller, the grip is aluminum with no grip panels making it very thin. It’s beautifully rounded everywhere to make it incredibly comfortable to put on your hip. It’s also a lot more money and harder to find. I bought a CS and it’s currently out getting ported. Somehow it seems just wrong to port the Wilson or Nighthawk. I dropped the trigger as well but now that I know there’s no issue I’ll probably throw an atlas trigger in there. Then we’ll see on the snappiness. Subscribed. 😀
so far the ONLY ONE trylly objective review,,,,,got headache from these revievers who basically got orgasm just by looking at the staccato,,,,,you bring valid points to the table,,,thanks
Ha! I noticed this as well, and you're the first reviewer to either notice it or mention it. If you look at the grip from the rear, it's actually tapered a bit, getting narrower in the bottom 3/4 or so. I believe the only thing different about the frame and internals is the mag catch, which has the ledge inset more towards the middle to work with the narrower mags. While I haven't tried it, I think you could stick the CS grip on any other Staccato chassis.
Every hand is different but I have small/medium hands and this grip is NOTICEABLY different than my C2. I think the grip is absolutely perfect as it is. Smaller would be too small (365 Macro). Not sure why anyone would want a really small grip. I feel like even small women can get their hands on this thing. The slimmer grip makes it WAY easier to conceal for me and also significantly more comfortable. I’m 5’7” 190
Yea I carry a shield plus right now and my hands I would say are like yours and the shield plus grip feels a bit small and when I had my 365 my support hand was Like where am I supposed to go
@@johnsmith-ds6mo Right! The idea of making the grip on a 2011 even smaller doesn’t make much sense to me considering the platform. The CS is big enough to shoot well but much easier to carry than C2
@Jason Lee I'm still patiently waiting on my cs got the holster and no gun looking forward going to the range and them trying to kick me out when it's closing time because I'm not gonna wanna leave this will b my 1st nice gun
@@chltmdwp I’ve looked at it. Seems really nice. Significantly more expensive. My CS disappears on my and it’s hard to believe that anything is *more*concealable. I wouldn’t pay an extra $1000 for it
Mine came in 2 weeks ago and I love it. Fits my hand well and shoots quicker than I can (and prolly better lol) I found I shoot an inch low even with my Leupold DPP maxed out on its elevation, but I’m fairly certain it’s me. That and you hit the nail on the head that it’s definitely snappier than I expected, but still comes back on target quick. That recoil impulse causes my left/forward thumb to slip off the frame with my usual thumbs forward grip to the point I I think I’m going to get some of the Talon grip material and put a patch on the frame. Those are my only 2 cons though and they even feel like I’m nit-picking about it lol
Excellent review sir. Answered all my questions. Im on the opposite team I have big hands and im tired of not finding a smaller gun where my two fingers dont hang at the bottom.
Outstanding review, have been on the fence between buying a C2 or CS…thinking I’ll go the C2 route due to being less expensive and mag compatibility. Also subscribed to your channel…great content
I’m genuinely interested if you’re able to put a staccato C2 or P grip on it or vice versa. That would be a game changer imo. I ordered the CS because I don’t like a longer barrel stabbing into my ding dong while sitting for long periods of time. Got my rds, light, and holster already…just waiting on the gun.
I have the P365 XL Spector Comp for my EDC. I placed an order for the CS yesterday but after watching this review I might cancel it. I definitely believed it was way smaller all around like everyone was saying. Thanks for this legit breakdown of the CS!
Staccato advertised the CS was smaller to help conceal but to still feel like a bigger gun while shooting - I think is great! Which make sense on the dimensions. Accurate better than all the other smaller pistols I’ve tried. For me I wasn’t miss lead. I was stoked to have 3 mags since many guns come with 2 and Kimber comes with 1. I wouldn’t be surprised if Staccato is already in the making of the design size you’re after.
Good honest review. I went with the Bul Armory SAS II Ultralight. Grip is a tad thicker. But the cost and availability was the determining factor for me. $1600 compared to $2900. Because I wanted the CS with the flat trigger. Add all the other fees, shipping, transfer fees, etc. Overall I like the Bul and it is smaller than the CS with the same performance.
I’m actually kind of relieved, as a first time staccato buyer of the CS, that I will be able to have a wide variety of choices for triggers, etc.. it was my only sour misgiving in purchasing it.
I thought you shot fine man. Thanks for sharing and I have a hard time justifying spending that kind of money for a carry pistol. But hey what do I know.
I own their XC, its sweet... but would not carry it with a 2.5# trigger and light spring... but for comp or just crushing quals lol its a beast....keep in mind im 6'4" with "normal" hands ... it fits me great haha..
Can you describe what you did to get the trigger weight down to 2.5 pounds? Bend the left fork of the sear spring? That is what I did to get my P down to a little over 3.5, but didnt know if it would be too far to go that low. Thanks!
I totally recut the primary and secondary angles on the sear face. I also dress the hammer hooks and shorten them to .18 thousandths. Don’t tune your sear spring too much or the gun will go full auto. While that might be cool it’s very illegal
@@glocksrock1 AH gotcha- I figured that would be the case- I went down that rabbit hole and decided to not risk it, and yeah my research had told me not to tweak too much. I will stick with my current pull, around 3.8lbs. Also installed a Red dirt flat trigger, so that cleaned up the pre and post travel. Thanks for the reply!
The triggers are not the exact same from aftermarket companies like red dirt, atlas, etc. The front of the bow near the shoe needs a bunch of material removed to make it fit a CS.
I own them all with the exception of the C. It all depends on your body and what u are comfortable carrying. The c2 has less recoil and is more accurate than the Cs. But is bigger than a g19 vs the cs is around the 43x in size. I'm 5'8 185lbs and live in Miami so not much layers to hide firearms. So the cs is a better edc to hide. but if I found myself in a situation of a mass shooter with a rifle at 30-50yrds and I had my c2 I'm confident I can possibly win that fight. With the CS i wouldn't engage and hide for a batter position. I'm currently A ranked USPA and a former ranger. Also the c2 uses standard 2011 mags. So u can use the 20rd from the P/XC/XL and atlas 22rd mags. The cs has its own proprietary 16rd mag.
That depends on hand size. But on my c2,p,xc i have to break grip to do my reloads in matches while with the cs i can hit it. As far as for self defense and competition id say thats pretty low on the list of reasons to purchase or not purchase a gun.
Hey, buddy. Came across an old video of you shooting a 34 with a comp. You got a new subscriber. Off topic, but let me ask you this. Do you think it would be worth it to take a glock 35 and put a kkm 9mm conversion barrel/comp in it? It's about a $300 investment. Is it worth that much to flatten it out, or am I just asking for reliability issues?
@@glocksrock1 After viewing this video, I was beginning to lean that way. Sometimes I have to be careful not to get caught up in the hype. Not that the cs is not a good gun but does it really fill my needs best and offer best value at this time. Thanks
Save your money folks... Buy the Bul Armory SAS 2 ultra light with 3.25 inch barrel, weighs 22oz and has a sub 3lb trigger out of the box... And it weighs 22 oz. It flat out looks better especially with totally fluted barrel and is about 1K less $$$. It's made in Israel where quality is top-notch and labor costs are lower... Hence the much lower price. It is every bit on par with the CS... And again it's a better gun for the price.
