A HUGE THANK YOU!!! As a Captain and teacher I have come across this many, many times and whenever I have female shooters this is the first thing I look at. I scanned the entire internet looking for anything that addressed this in stance and found nothing. I've known other female players that use their breast as a guide as well but the majority don't like doing that and I had one that was very well endowed that we had to change a couple things on just exactly as you pointed out! Maybe since you've now brought this more into the mainstream other females will be able to learn from it. Again, HUGE thank you for this!!
This is the first time, I hear someone acknowledging the issue and providing directions. It explains 100% of my problems with my stroke after transitioning and -unfortunately- confirms that I have to relearn my stroke...
Ich denke, es ist ein gutes Video für ein sehr spezielles Problem. Ich finde es sehr gut und berechtigt. Wie wäre es, das Problem für Brillenträgern mal zu machen? Mir fällt gerade auf, dass kein einziger Profi im Pool mir einfällt, der mit Brille spielt. Leider ist es auf der Hobby Ebene ganz anders, da spielen viele mit Brille, und der Stand muss dadurch ein anderer sein. Sorry, but my english is not so good, that i could say it in English.
Absolut richtig 👍🏻 Man müsste auch Eigenheiten/Ausnahmen etc. bedenken wenn man Stand/Haltung/Technik lehrt. Zumindest mögliche Probleme erwähnen. Leider machen viele erst etwas wenn das Problem bereits da ist. Da ich selber keine Brille trage, tu ich mir natürlich schwer auf das einzugehen. Vielleicht kann ich mal Informationen einholen und dann darüber ein Video machen!
@@jasminouschanbilliards Danke für die Antwort. Das wäre natürlich super. Ich habe, als Mann auch meine Probleme die Eigenschaften einer Frau zu beachten, da kann ich kaum einen Tipp geben. Dafür habe ich leider einen Bauch und Rückenprobleme, sowas gleicht dann alles wieder an ;-) Deshalb halte ich von festen Angaben wie man stehen muss/soll recht wenig. In den Achtzigerjahren wurde sogar mit Schablonen gearbeitet, die auf dem Boden lagen, wie Du Deine Beine / Füße stellen solltest, egal ob Du 1,65m oder 2m groß warst, das klappte natürlich vorn und hinten nicht. Da gefällt mir das Moderne Training, wie Du und Dein Bruder das verbreiten, als auch die vielen anderen Trainer die gut sind, heutzutage viel besser. Das Schlimme ist, wenn Du dir was Jahrelang falsch eingearbeitet hast, dann brauchst Du doppelt so viel Energie, das wieder ins Richtige umzubiegen. Deshalb mein Rat: von Anfang an einen richtigen Trainer sich suchen.
Most opticians try to sell you a second pair of glasses on special offer when buying perscription galsses. I take advantage of this and ask for the "special offer pair" to be suitable for playing snooker. That means absolutely no varyfocal (Gleitsicht) and for a further focal point than is usual for reading glasses, so that the other end of the table is not blurred. I also choose frames so that the lenses are large and come close to the forehead.
@@MrXyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz The rim of glasses can be a problem. Wearers of glasses often stand more upright than people without glasses. I wear contact lenses but with a special billiard glases, cause contact lenses don't be enough for me. You have to learn to be right with your issues.
I have this SAME issue and all my male pool players would try to "help" me and would get frustrated because I couldn't shoot like a man. I had to watch other female players and ask other female players how they shoot to adjust for boobs. It made such a difference and now I'm moving up in rank and way less frustrated at the table! Great video.
Glad you figured it out thru other people and not so frustrated anymore. As for me I fixed mine not by asking others but by just being conscious of my stroke mechanics and body, what my body did during stroke to realize if my arm was a true straight pendulum and not hindered in anyway. Then I adjusted accordingly, using the stroke mechanic founds in the science of pocket billiards as a base. Now I'm shooting in the top 5 of my pool hall, the best banker in the city for sure.
I've been watching the female player stroke at my local hall and noticed they either have pivoted to have the arm out more or shoot close to the arm pit.
Subscribed after this video. Being a bit overweight male, I admit having the same issue. Thank you for pointing this out. I think Barry Stark (snooker trainer) also brought this problem to an attention in one of his video.
Heavy set guy and have noticed this to the point where I was considering buying a longer cue and/or cue with an extension because I felt like I couldn’t follow through on certain shots. Will try some position adjustments before making any purchases
My teammates beer belly committed a foul one time. He was making a long shot leaning over the table and his beer belly bumped the eight ball on the shortrail and he committed a foul
I used to captain an 8 Ball league team, and we had a large bodied female player. I advised her to switch to more of a snooker stance, to free up her stroke.
Breast size, men with big bodies, individual physiology matters in every sporting endeavor. For women out there, look no further than Allison Fischer. Allison who many believe to be the greatest female pool player of all time has one of the most perfect stances I have ever seen and she is not small chested. But there is more. Even eye dominance matters. Right handed left eye dominant players can stand more sideways to the shot with less neck strain. If looking at men, go watch some videos of Steve Mizerak. Steve who was clinically obese for many years which ultimately caused his premature death sadly, he was right eye dominant and left handed and he unusually cupped his left wrist to create more room between his cue and body due to his rotund waistline. What is remarkable if you watch old video of Steve's stroke is how long his follow thru was. Steve created enough separation between his body and the cue that his follow through was completely unimpeded and in part aside from his size why he had such a powerful stroke. So, no one size fits all and there are many workaround solutions to individual physiology. A related note about women's breast size and golf. Large chested women struggle a bit more playing golf. Why? Because they can't separate their arm swing from their body turn as easily. This generally results in a flatter swing plane which relies more on timing to hit the ball straight. But, large chested women like Paige Spiranac famous for her figure can still play to a scratch handicap by making adjustments. Years ago when I was a little kid, I know you are an excellent athlete Jasmin....I grew up swimming competitively and the boys knew the girls on the swim team. There was an elite swimmer girl who when very young was nationally ranked. Then, as she went through puberty, she grew large breasts and she was no longer at the same level. Still a good swimmer but her development reduced her speed in the water.
You are a genius, me being a dude. This never occurred to me I had trouble with my stance and stroke because I took lessons from a Filipino who taught me how to spin the rock my back was killing me the problem was he was 5'6" I'm 6'3" I paid a world class hustler that was my height to correct my stance what a difference I watched a few young ladies start pool lessons at age twelve they are now about a foot taller and changed the stroke along the way your video shows knowing how to setup is more important than other pool skills best of health to you
Great video thanks. As a coach this helps me. One little English thing, when your were wrapping up your said make sure you 'over look' the stance every once in awhile. I think you meant look over? Over look is the opposite of look over pretty much lol Again really love the videos! Thank you
There was a time where I seriously spent months trying to navigate my body to find the right stance. This is serious stuff!! Thanks for talking about this Jasmin
OMG!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I'm a beginner, when I shoot the ball, I was so frustrated becasue my body position was always weird since I have this problem that you pointed out accurately, and finally I got the solution from this vedio! Thank you so much!😚
Well, I have the same problem as her, the strange thing is that I am a man and not breasts. I also have a friend who whenever she plays pool gets a bruise on the top of her big toe on her right hand out of curiosity I asked her why and she told me it was because there in that part of the finger, she hit herself with the nipple of the breast right
Coach Mark Wilson teaches this and even in a class full of men, he brings it up and makes it a point to say exactly what you’ve said. (A fantastic example is the Great Karen Corr) 👌
I did ref a game years ago where a female player fouled by moving a ball with her chest when she leaned across the table. Awkward one to call, but a foul is a foul.
If you’re standing more sideways (for the reason you mentioned) Allison Fisher might come and push you sideways showing that you are unstable. But I agree, you have to have room for the full stroke.
Well done, Jasmine. I remember watching Karen Corr play and wondering just how women managed to navigate this anatomical impediment to proper cueing. It's a situation which needs to be discussed and, frankly, a lot of people are worried about 'offending' people in the political climate we now have. Girls need adjustment coaching to get around this issue and it is very likely some talented amateurs have quit the game, instead of going pro, because they couldn't find a way to aim properly after puberty and didn't get help. This is an issue that needs to be openly and pragmatically addressed and it starts with someone daring to raise the subject, like you did.
THANK YOU! Stance is one of the things I struggle the most with, and it's impossible to find any tips that work for women or shorter people. My 6 foot tall male leaguemates trying to tell me how to stand or to take a shot I'd have to stretch on my tiptoes the length of the table to hit isn't helpful at all
I do the same with my students, whether it be a larger man or female students. Really all students, because everyone is different in height, size, length of arms, flexibility, etc. It's funny, like you I've noticed it's rarely if ever talked about, and I have over 100 books on pool, not there. Much like getting your head behind the shot line and keeping it there on the way down, which so many students do incorrectly. Yet almost all pro do this and it's so critical but rarely talked about. Thanks for the informative video, I recommend your channel to everyone, I think you do a great job at presenting information and of course demonstrating it as well. Look forward to more videos!
Very important to address this, thank you. Two things to think about: a) for some female (and male) players the cue deviates to the side only after the grip hand is impacting the chest in the finish position. So cueing was straight when the cue ball was struck and it is more an aesthetical issue. Sometimes you can see this a little bit even with Allison Fisher. Relaxing the grip hand after delivery can help soften the impact and lessen deviation. And b): Stance and foot position is a complicated trade off and there are coaches with very different views. An important aspect is where a player hits her chest. Hitting the upper part is preferred because there is more clearance and less soft tissue that hinders follow-through. To avoid hitting the lower part with the grip hand on impact it can be better to stand more squarely to the shot than sideways (also can help with balance). I know a female player around Fargo 600 who got this advice from Jeremy Jones and shoots better with a more square snooker stance. It also helped with better eye alignment to the shot and better balance. Best practice examples: Allison Fisher, Kelly Fisher. Experimenting with different foot positions is key here and seeing a coach is definitely worth it. Check out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aFVO6KSD-54.html
Very helpful, thank you! You take a lot into consideration and explain it well. I appreciated seeing different possible adjustments with the stance that could help. Great video!
I adjusted my stance just like this last year to keep my chest out out of the way. This advice is spot on. Turn to the side and really lean into the weight bearing side.
Thank you!! At one point I realized I needed to hold my cue "closer to the tit*y" but being larger chested, I can imagine I'm getting in my own way. Going to work on now!
YES!!!!! Finally someone is addressing this. I have said for years, men should have to put on a double D bra with water balloons in it. They always roll their eyes when i say my "ladies" are in the way...not on evey shot but some shots with the stretch and torque they just are. So thank you, thank you, thank you for voicing it!!!
I actually took a lesson from Kelly Fisher for this very reason !! She was very very helpful in showing me techniques around this. 👏👏👏 To you for addressing this .
And yes, I thought you were more intelligent with supporting a better football team. If you wanted blue, could have changed to hockey and went with the Rangers! Or Green in football and picked Eagles 🦅. Keep it up
Saludos desde Venezuela me paso algo parecido algún tiempo tuve muy buen nivel dejé de jugar 6años aproximadamente en el cual aumenté de peso 20kg y me costó encontrar el error era mi abdomen 😄😄
I have preached this for 15yrs. I realized when I lost a lot of weight and noticed something was different. It's the one thing I am always aware of when I start to give lessons to new players.
Can you explain what's wrong with keeping the cue close to the body, specifically for men? And what's the difference in such a practice in POOLL and Snooker?
this isnt just a female issue. i had this issue as a normal weighted male. i use my chest as a contact point, but find my back hand coming though and making contact.
Thank you for this video. My stroke & stance have had to change after I've transitioned and got breasts. I'm still confused trying to figure out where to put my back foot. When it's in-line with my aim line I feel like I have to lean in my stance. Thank you for the direction!
My trainer actually referred to your video! 🤩 (He's the coolest. 🤫) We were trying to figure out why I keep hitting myself occasionally while working on my stance. At first I thought I'm just stupid, but anatomy plays a big role here apparently. 😅 Still, sometimes I'm unsure if I should use my chest as a little helper or try turning a little as you do. I feel like giving room between chest and cue might be the better option though, cause it allows for a straighter and cleaner shot. A big thank you for addressing this issue! 🙌 Hoping to see you in person one day soon, greetings from Germany ☺️
Awesome instructional btw. I've been struggling to explain a better stance to female players. I'm a man, so what would I know how to adjust for lady parts?😆lol. I will be sharing this, thank you!!
Another great video from the wonderful talented beautiful Jasmin! I dont have this issue being a man but ya this could be a problem. Some women have small breasts and therefore lucky I guess for pool.
Thank you for all your videos, I’ve noticed your brother is left eye dominant and I’m just wondering if you can give some examples for personal vision center in a video.
Thank you for such an important topic. Though I have not found anything on short stature VS tall stature. I am just 5' 1/2" tall and know this affects me when playing. Could you please do a video on this?
Thank you!! I recently had someone (a male) have me change my break point from what I was used to. My breaks ARE better, but I have hit myself in the chest numerous times since, which I had never done before. I thought it was just me being misaligned, but this makes so much sense of that! I know what to work on now.
servus Jasmin.I think I have the same issue. As a right handed player, could that lead to my tip pointing too far to the left after the shot due to overcorrecting? That is my main probelm and i still cant figuere out, why...
Great job mam! I have a major issue while swinging back my cur during a longer shot, it serves to the right side and I can't play the intended English onto the cue ball. Could you help me figure out the iasue as I am 6.5" tall and I cant keep the cue straigh enough while playing deep scew shots.
Yes yes yes! Thanks for addressing this! Especially with us bigger or well-endowed gals. I try watching other gals to see how they adjust. I’d like to see the guys give it a try with a stuffed bra just to see the adjustments. Haha😂
As a male, I've always been using my chest to guide my cue going straight. That's why I always hold my breath when I aim and shoot. It works pretty well.
Thank you as a male coach I noticed Core, Fisher stand a little more Square although I always prefer to be in line, with feet and upper body. I try to look outside the box for female players in always tried to better players to promote the sport. ALL you lady pro players are awsome wish u great success thanks again
About 6 weeks ago you shared a slow motion video of you breaking. On the follow through you slammed into your breast. All I could think is after doing that through an entire tournament you’d have to be sore or bruised! I’ve got my gut a few times on exaggerated draw strokes with a lot of follow through. Takes some getting used to. Great video! Hope all is well
You are a beautiful, intelligent and talented woman. At some point you thought about making a movie about your billiards story? I'm sure it will be a good success❤
I have had large prominent breasts all of my adult life. As a complete amateur it felt natural for the stick to run underneath my breasts and served as a support and line for my shots. I also face more straight into the table instead of more sideways like you are showing. Now I am wondering if my approach and stance is all wrong because I do seem to miss alot of straight in shots. Should my body and pool cue be aligned differently? Maybe I should hold it above them?
It's a good thing you don't have to work around your butt! (sorry I couldn't resist) This did actually just come up with a new player that needed to adjust. Fortunately for her I think we covered your points (no pun intended). Anyhow thanks and sorry about the jokes butt you just can't get around it!
Hi Jasmin your all videos are good but specially this one is outstanding I watched this yesterday evening and after that have a game it's really help me and improve potting and you know my opponent was surprised 😅😅thanks.
I was doing this. Hired a coach a month ago and the first thing she did was fix my stance, so I wasn't going around and instead able to go straight through. So unknown to me that I was doing this. P.S. It is "look over", not "overlook", which means ignore.
I've been trying to get my trainer to understand this. lol. but since he doesn't have this problems he doesn't really get it. Love him dearly but it's nice to hear other women addressing this problem. My chest is big and sometimes it's a hard work around even with a modified stance. One side usually takes a beating during my match, but that's just something i have to accept.
No need to be frustrated, women can point out problems for females, just explain them like you did. Imagine men getting frustrated because no one addressed the issue of hitting penis, or stomach if someone is fat, while laying down to hit distant shot. Other than that that specific girl could have developed some other way to play like so many other did. Fine video, but really no need to be upset.
Funny, I'm not even a trainer or a very good player, but it was one of the first things I tought some of my friends😅 because for a long time I didnt have a trainer and therefore my technique wasnt the best (my arm wasnt really straight for example) and I was very close with my arm to my body and when it came to powerful shots, I hit myself in the ribs, so I didnt work my way around it, like you said some do, but I ate the pain but now I dont do it anymore, and what you mentioned is one thing I changed since then, and like I said what I immediatly tought my friends too
I've had problems getting in the correct stance when I'm getting ready to make a shot. Adjust my feet stand back up and then get back into shooting position. I have a hard time doing it like Jasmine show where you get in the correct stance before you get down on the ball especially after my hip replacement
I was called a pervert for teaching this issue to a female. I never taught any more females. I do remember Jeannette Lee (Black widow) mentioning it in a video somewhere. It is a common stroke issue for women.
I have identified this issue on several students. Here in the US it seems like any direct mention of breasts on a person freaks everyone out (we are a toddler country, please bear with us). What I usually do is have the person get somebody they trust (aka MOM) to use the person's smartphone and video their stroke from the back and side so they can see for themselves where the interference is at. I used to use my phone but then realized I had several boob interference videos on it and felt a little creepy since the main focus was the interference zone. I really hope to live long enough that we can mature past this insanity. Excellent video- I will be passing it along to those in need.
Hey you gained 5k viewers lol always good content but I believe that the reason you don't hear of this topic as much is cause the ratio men:women in billards is higher for males to play.
It is not necessary to have your chin on the cue when you shoot, stand up a little bit and stand a little closer to the cueball and this problem goes away for the most part....new sight picture, but the transition is fairly quick to a new sight picture....good topic, great video
I was doing this! Hired a coach a month ago and the first thing she did was fix my stance so I wasn't going around and instead able to go straight through. It was so unknown to me that I was doing this. And I especially loved the part at the end because I am a Snooker player trying to switch over to pool and I want to stand facing straight, but I can see now that it's a lost cause. P.S. It's "look over" not "overlook" important since overlook basically means to ignore).
Not a coach, just an amateur, I´ve addressed this when teaching females but never paid attention exactly how because being a male I don´t have that challenge, most of the times getting lower and side stepping a little helped but never thought of more alternatives whenever they were larger on that area I had no recourse, now I have a video from a great female player I can refer to!
What I'm assisting a novice player is almost always about their stance and their stability. I see too many standing with their feet close together instead of a good shoulder width stance . I will leave my knee against the table and some instances to further stabilize my shot especially if I have a long bridge stroke or shooting over another object ball. Great tutorial.
Male players can have this issue too when they are cueing against chest. I am a male snooker player, since cueing against chest is standard now so I have been thinking about solutions for this problem for ages. Normally they either find a way to stop the cue right before hitting their chest bones or lower elbow to avoid hitting right into chest. What's working for me is try to stop the cue before hitting right into chest. Another suggestion I would give to female players is not to cue against chest though cueing against chest does give player cerntain support and confidence but learn not to rely on this and leave a space between chest and the cue will avoid hitting own body.
Looks more like your shifting your lower body out the way rather than upper body you could just flatten your upper body more so breasts point more towards the ground. I’m a snooker player though and we are used to bigger table stretching for shots you sometimes have to lay on the table which is impossible to do in a side ways stance
I teach my students to actually stand up more. I do this to help keep their head up and straight and not tilted. I never thought about this being an issue...I've only had one female student, but I hope by me teaching them to not get down so far on the shot maybe won't affect their breasts. I'll keep that in mind.
I have had that same issue as well, but it is complicated a bit more by the fact that I am only 4'11". My hips pivot below the edge of the table. It leave very little room to navigate a smooth stroke. I will have try this and see how I can accomodate both issues.
Great video Jasmin! Male or female you present many good tips on stance and footwork we should work on. I'm trying to keep the cue close and elbow tight...or it'll flop like a chicken!
If a player has a little extra baggage.All they gotta do is move the front foot more outward diagonally to create more room. Going more sideon just throws off your alignment and balance .
My coach told me heavy people and women have an advantage because of the belley and breasts because you have to get your hip more out the way and your arm comes further from the body. Step a bit further out with your front foot then keep your back leg knee a bit more straight. Snookerish
