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Stanford Seminar - Who Owns the Future, Jaron Lanier, Microsoft Research 

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"Who Owns the Future" -Jaron Lanier, Microsoft Research
Colloquium on Computer Systems Seminar Series (EE380) presents the current research in design, implementation, analysis, and use of computer systems. Topics range from integrated circuits to operating systems and programming languages. It is free and open to the public, with new lectures each week.
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@barefootarts737
@barefootarts737 2 года назад
I hardly use the Internet or computers. I am a carpenter by trade and I fix my old broken down truck with my bare hands. I don’t understand the sleazy economics of this world today and this talk has helped me connect more seemingly tangential issues that I have reflected on over and over. it’s a lesson in ethics and also a lesson in history as far as I can tell. I can feel the worlds changes in my bones. It’s surprising me that this talk is making sense given how different he is. None of the nerdy computer types that I know closely think will reflect like this guy does. Then again most of them that I know are 20 years younger than him and don’t know these things about the history of tech since the 50’s.
@baTonkaTruck
@baTonkaTruck 2 года назад
There’s kind of a golden generation of technologists who knew the world before the personal computer, and saw the potential of the early internet. I consider myself a part of that group. We learned it all from the ground up, as it was being created. We all assumed the younger generations of computer scientists and thinkers would go sailing past us in their depth of understanding but that hasn’t happened. The younger generations use the existing tools of technology to build on what’s already there without learning what they are and what they mean, so they don’t see the potential, the wonder, the humanity and freedom of it. I don’t blame them, it’s so much to learn. But there’s an extreme nihilism at the heart of “technology business” today. It’s basically “get seed money, crank out something resembling something valuable, as fast as possible, sell it to a bigger company.” People ARE NOT building companies around what technology can do for humanity. They’re not even seriously thinking about customers. They are only considering whether an idea can generate revenue, mainly by either getting acquired or by going public by IPO. The net outcome is papier mache technology, poorly devised and poorly implemented, which isn’t really good for anyone and never really achieves anything. It’s like all the junk particle board furniture made in china sold on Wayfair. No innovation, no soul, no real value, and nobody’s particularly happy about it.
@mescellaneous
@mescellaneous 2 года назад
@@baTonkaTruck i am on a limp journey trying to learn from the ground up. what i come to see is that those old guys really meant something when they equate programming with a form of expression. this is what i think is the heart of the issue. it's a form of self expression turning into a trade. that's like creative writers turning to blogs and news articles. as you commercialize it, it conforms to the businesses and business owners, which have to look at ads or subscriptions. i don't think it's the investors/founders fault. this is what happens when you think money first, but for true freedom of expression, art is not done with money in mind. it may be commercialized after it is created. it's not that it's not possible to think creatively and then monetize after the fact. it's as you said, the incentive is to get paid first, "prove" it can make money, then build. that said, i actually think transformative visual media is one of the better technologies. how wonderful is it young (and old) creators are sharing their art with each other on tiktok/instagram? games on the other hand seem to rely too heavily on tools lately, which make their games clunkier and less engaging than it needs to be. it's the same issue as above, the gaming industry has blown up and it's impossible to think about building a game without the thought of getting a return.
@JmO-ee1bi
@JmO-ee1bi 2 года назад
It’s underlied by the maximizing and ever increasing profit is the first and only ethic we can agree is good. It’s at the core of our economic model particularly in practice in the US (compared to other western nations, perhaps because we’re such a diverse country and don’t have the sense of deep rooted ethnic brotherhood others feel with their countrymen, speculation of course but I can see something suggesting this just in how cops treat non-whites versus whites in the US, it also might be the diversity of values too that our first amendment encourages and our ethnic diversity ensures) and it’s just not any longer viable in this form without some serious collapsing it seems. The problem is I’m really not sure what to do about it.
@KevKam
@KevKam 5 лет назад
This man makes lucid, perfect sense to me, but from my experience of the world (also historical accounts) , the GREEDY will always put their financial gain before peoples dignity and quality of life.
@cookeecutkk
@cookeecutkk 2 года назад
Tech person here. Love Jaron but sometimes people in tech can’t help some distortion. If you don’t want cars to crash into each other there are time honored solutions out there, working fine in many parts around the world (US excluded). They are called “bicycle” and “mass transit”.
@christinabernat6709
@christinabernat6709 2 года назад
🤗🤗🤗🤗👍👍👍💪💪💪🤠🤠🤠😎😎😎💗💗💗💗💗💪💪💪🤑
@sajubalakrishnan
@sajubalakrishnan 10 лет назад
Jaron Lanier, Good speech, Needed a policy for managing and trading the digital data we are creating in our day today life. Like we are having in the physical wealth transaction.Otherwise disaster can happen in future or this new system can create a new order in the world!
@TimothyAllison1
@TimothyAllison1 2 года назад
Brilliantly articulated.
@deanshull4063
@deanshull4063 10 лет назад
Great talk Jeron
@salasvalor01
@salasvalor01 9 лет назад
I want politicians to be like this.
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Hell yeah!
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Note how empirically minded he is! Politicians tend to ignore results other than vote counts, sadly.
@MrForestExplorer
@MrForestExplorer 6 лет назад
He'd be great to cast as a wise elder in a Utopian-flavored sci-fi film that takes place in the 2040's right before the Singularity occurs.
@KevKam
@KevKam 5 лет назад
Politicians in the UK don't care about people, they only care about self serving ideologies.
@noname-yw2gw
@noname-yw2gw 4 года назад
vote for him
@Keepedia99
@Keepedia99 4 года назад
Wow I think this is my favorite talk
@barefootarts737
@barefootarts737 2 года назад
“We’re quite certain we’re doing good things for the world “.
@SPDATA1
@SPDATA1 2 года назад
Globalists/The Elites: thinks that, too
@CyberspacedLoner
@CyberspacedLoner 2 года назад
@@SPDATA1 Do you trust conservative billionaires more than liberal billionaires ?!
@barefootarts737
@barefootarts737 2 года назад
@@CyberspacedLoner Wrong question. Trust people. Billionaires, liberals, and a conservatives are not people at all, but just members of groups. Trust people. Don’t trust members of groups. Members of groups cannot think or reason. In fact members of groups aren’t actually real people at all, they either exist as concepts in the minds of other people(groups). Or they exist as partial people, only partially functioning and only partially awake. I’ll point out here that seeing someone as a member of a group only is also very degrading and is used as a way to deconstruct another’s humanity. Kind of leaves us all stuck and quibbling over petty group alliances.
@PoetlaureateNFDL
@PoetlaureateNFDL 10 лет назад
Very informational.
@justgivemethetruth
@justgivemethetruth 8 лет назад
+jeffreydebra1 Informational or informative? Are you saying there is a lot of data but no point?
@mandypac2854
@mandypac2854 10 лет назад
20:25 about "horse-less machines" is great
@XOXO-mb2vh
@XOXO-mb2vh 3 года назад
And are the horses better for it?
@vincentanguoni8938
@vincentanguoni8938 2 года назад
There is nothing like live music. Also this guy is a freaking genius! Just sayin
@Misterthirtysix
@Misterthirtysix 2 года назад
He really is. It’s easy to tell simply by listening.
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Time to market of technology solutions might be a place to look for windows of opportunity for employment, but we need methods to rapidly adapt training to the shifts that accelerating technology will displace.
@jennyaskswhy
@jennyaskswhy 3 года назад
Maybe we need to reconsider what it means to be an entrepreneur. Open share rules and the people who build them are incredible but it comes for free so nobody financially benefits. Pure science and research is somewhat similar. Basically I think the pure pleasure of giving to others for its own sake has been lost in favour of a really dumb idea about narrow self-interest. It only really kicks in once your basic needs have been fully realised but if you get there you become open to a whole psychological level. I hope more people get there and stay at that level permanently. The world will be unrecognisable.
@KishanSingh-re7xs
@KishanSingh-re7xs 10 лет назад
I liked the grocery store card analogy and kept thinking of it during this lecture. Could somebody (awesome if was Prof. Lanier!) clarify the point made at 1:25:00 ? Why do coupons and sign up incentive based cards put people in a diminished role in the market? By and large, we do not have a marketplace where barter and negotiation is tolerated. What am I missing?
@patwic92
@patwic92 7 лет назад
Your comment is from 2 years ago, but I will reply in case you are still wondering! XD The reason incentive cards put people in a diminished role is because the grocery corporation is tracking your purchasing habits with the card. They are acquiring YOUR data (which has substantial value) for the price of slightly discounted goods. If you were paid for that data, you would earn substantially more than the sum of the discounts you earn.
@The_hungry_vegans
@The_hungry_vegans 10 лет назад
Great talk. Pedagogy of science needs an overhaul.
@murfnturf23
@murfnturf23 3 года назад
overhaul*
@antonpestana4136
@antonpestana4136 2 года назад
00
@wayneuk62
@wayneuk62 4 года назад
Legend
@BLUEGENE13
@BLUEGENE13 5 лет назад
but how do you create a consumer class?
@villebooks
@villebooks 4 года назад
The whole world is a consumer class
@BLUEGENE13
@BLUEGENE13 3 года назад
with the remote control money machine, it appears people today actually HAVE made some of these though, like Renaissance technologies has been going for a long time and is a stat anomaly like none other. They really appear to have a remote control money machine.
@Caligula138
@Caligula138 Год назад
The ancestor of Baron Harkonnen made flesh.
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Corpora = labeled data?
@SethDerrick
@SethDerrick 10 лет назад
What is the "mooks" he keeps referring to?
@TheNeverposts
@TheNeverposts 10 лет назад
are you for real?
@SethDerrick
@SethDerrick 10 лет назад
***** Do you know the answer to the question I asked or did you just think now would be a good time to try out that Turing Test?
@TheNeverposts
@TheNeverposts 10 лет назад
Seth Derrick yeh, it's MOOCs with a C, stands for Massive Online Open Course. check out 'mit ocw', 'coursera' or 'edx'. The turing test is stupid btw
@TheNeverposts
@TheNeverposts 10 лет назад
Seth Derrick I didn't mean to be rude, I actually thought you were trying to be funny. MOOCs are a really big thing
@SethDerrick
@SethDerrick 10 лет назад
***** No worries, thanks for the info. I'm very familiar with the model...from MIT and Stanford to Kahn Academy...and from the context I figured that's what he was talking about. I just wasn't familiar with the acronym. Thanks again.
@TheEddielomax
@TheEddielomax 4 года назад
Such a laughter he got xD
@The_Ghost_In_Heaven
@The_Ghost_In_Heaven 5 лет назад
24:00 😯
@jessekanner7071
@jessekanner7071 2 года назад
Wait is that Lex Fridman asking a question around 58:43?
@HikikomoriDev
@HikikomoriDev 6 лет назад
Doesn't systems like Patreon already kinda fill that gap for those who perform or do works?
@mididoctors
@mididoctors 2 года назад
So what's the solution? The problem is the analysis of what's wrong is always pretty on the mark ... The solutions are always vague
@richcampus
@richcampus 6 лет назад
The Chiron Last Lanier has spoken~●~○~●~
@joebeaver852
@joebeaver852 4 года назад
Why the fuck I'm I watching you good stuff man
@puddingpimp
@puddingpimp 10 лет назад
@33:29 3D printing, or by it's proper name, additive manufacturing, is already making leading edge products. It's not the crappy hobbyist plastruders and such that are going to evolve upwards to displace skilled manufacturing, but the highend DMLS, EBM, SLS, EF3 type processes that are already used to make high performance medical, aerospace and motor sport parts that will scale down in cost until they are ubiquitous. Just as it wasn't the stack of 7400 series homebrew computers that transformed into today's PC, but the likes of the Intel 4004 and MOS 6502 that increased in sophistication and decreased in cost to form today's computer systems. Either the high-end machines will get cheaper, or the highend machines will get bigger and faster, either way, the output of the machines will be cheaper.
@tomasgarciapineiro1491
@tomasgarciapineiro1491 2 года назад
39:53 lol
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Is there a way to make it obvious that perpetual motion machines can not exist?
@xs10tl1
@xs10tl1 2 года назад
Mr. Lanier said all the right things for years, earning our trust. Yet all the wrong things happened. I have questions.
@1011Ink
@1011Ink 6 лет назад
I wish people would have listened. I've been saying this since the 90's. I think it's kinda too far gone now. AI will destroy everything.
@Tyblerone
@Tyblerone 2 года назад
Please look up the definition of Logorhea
@albertawheat6832
@albertawheat6832 2 года назад
circumlocution diffuseness diffusion garrulity garrulousness long-windedness periphrasis prolixity redundancy verbalism
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
Performance must be rewarded or else it will not occur!
@yvonnehyatt8353
@yvonnehyatt8353 5 лет назад
This is You Tube : Agenda 21 And Yuval Harari,and Francis Richard Connolly, the rabbit hole is deeper.🔍
@MK-ih6wp
@MK-ih6wp 2 года назад
can you explain? 3 yrs old...
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 лет назад
"Viable fictions"! Nice.
@HeavyTOVids
@HeavyTOVids 9 лет назад
Wealth gets you better tools. Bigger, better tools let you be a bigger, better millionaires. Good for them. For us small-fries who have the creative instinct but who lack the economic advantage it's better to focus on making smaller perfected-products with fewer capacities for local demographics. Take your scraping of google and rather than build a global economic model that transforms mass citizenries into bits of exchange - reflect your local market onto the data and turn your local community into a microcosom of creative exchange. I'll let you know in four years if that's possible.
@HeavyTOVids
@HeavyTOVids 8 лет назад
Huh?
@antoniolima1068
@antoniolima1068 6 лет назад
Spencer Ferri it's the only way for free self employed people. Create your product to satisfy specific needs of local geographic identity. Use the tools available and imprint your unic expression.
@Theweouthereforrealclub-
@Theweouthereforrealclub- 4 года назад
Spencer Ferri - you had 5, what’s the word?
@NtandoMbele
@NtandoMbele 3 года назад
How far?
@MK-ih6wp
@MK-ih6wp 2 года назад
6 years have passed - I love this idea, and I need a job!
@michaelrussell7806
@michaelrussell7806 5 лет назад
Really enjoyed the talk. However, to say the USSR and China were indeed socialist is inaccurate, and is somewhat jarring considering his other, well-reasoned thoughts about history. Silicon Valley definitely has a libertarian slant, but this man keeps his attitude well-rounded. Loved the science-fiction call outs as well.
@jjjjjjmmmmmm99999
@jjjjjjmmmmmm99999 5 лет назад
Sure they were socialist Don't kid yourself . It is history which really shows what a system is not just their theory
@billfrug
@billfrug 6 лет назад
The horse-old person aged care analogy showed a disturbing lack of empathy.
@edwardbonetti
@edwardbonetti 10 лет назад
I have a solution that solves the whole book. I will bring it to light.
@MK-ih6wp
@MK-ih6wp 2 года назад
we're waiting, edward..
@johnnybourgeois13
@johnnybourgeois13 6 лет назад
Zombies own the future
@rabokel
@rabokel 9 лет назад
The system is there already. It is called "paying taxes"
@justgivemethetruth
@justgivemethetruth 8 лет назад
+rabokel Yeah, and it is working so successfully when we are many trillions of dollars in debt.
@abebaxter2297
@abebaxter2297 8 лет назад
stoned as shit
@David-wg7iq
@David-wg7iq 8 лет назад
+Abe Baxter You know it captain
@Lucky14970
@Lucky14970 2 года назад
Awesome drinking game. Drink a shot or chug some beer every time Jaron scratches the bugs living in his hair.
@sharpcanines3347
@sharpcanines3347 2 года назад
Elon Musk trying to buy Twitter trying to control communications - 2022
@D3cker1
@D3cker1 2 года назад
P3D0
@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496
@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496 3 года назад
today's socialists talk about worker cooperatives and social democracy- not how to start the next authoritarian state.
@dnsmithnc
@dnsmithnc 3 года назад
John Lanier is brilliant. However, anybody with common sense could have told you the same thing about the music business and other things he finally concluded with an IQ 30 points less. The fact is, people who are brilliant are just as effective at fooling themselves as they are other people.
@mrtolson
@mrtolson 7 лет назад
Like Trump.
@Patscape
@Patscape 2 года назад
dude, i was military Communications! i don't trust you!!!!!!!¡!
@matijabl
@matijabl 2 года назад
I like his drugs but 34mins in and he's 3d printing tablets, I'm out...
@timwalker2778
@timwalker2778 2 года назад
How can you take a guy seriously who has 10 pounds of wool attached to his scalp?
@yvonnehyatt8353
@yvonnehyatt8353 5 лет назад
With all due respect; cut the hair, and take care of your weight🔍?
@thewolf14
@thewolf14 4 года назад
What are you, five?
@rattylol
@rattylol 4 года назад
Are you his mother?
@omar-fy7cr
@omar-fy7cr 3 года назад
Wtf
@carolayathlete9527
@carolayathlete9527 3 года назад
@@rattylol lol
@conorhennell2623
@conorhennell2623 2 года назад
With all due respect; stop judging people by how they look.
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