Star Citizen's Prisons Explained - Good or Bad? 

You're not allowed to fly close to the prison, so that's not possible without getting shot down from the sky. Escaping has to be done fast in and out thats the point. But yes, people will ambush the players trying to escape adding to the difficulty layer.

@@Revixy If you disable the local comm array, you can approach without a crimestat. You'll still get shot at, but a tanky ship can take out the turrets handily. They may need to buff the defenses before release.

@@Morphologis Can you break into the actual prison? like literally kick the front door down which would allow ALL the inmates to escape? that would be awesome LOL

Nicholas Codrington yeah i hope

yea people complaining about spawn camping. same way people complained about being exploited on pads. funny that.

Exactly my opinion!

elite dangerous takes that "work hard" part too extreme very linear and boring i'm glad Star Citizen isnt like that

Or pay to become big it sounds like?

@@walker1054 can't spend real money on a crew to operate the big ships

Well said!

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It's almost copy paste of Crematoria Prison

no fucking shot, i was thinking the same thing, i would love to see some aliens in the caves that attack and kill miners who stray to far from the light

Glazing your knuckles, were you?

No problem man! This game fucking sucks but as long as one person enjoyed this 300 million dollar investment it's worth it!

yea that's the idea :D but we're gonna need a bigger boat once folks figure out a super quick system to escape. perhaps a **Maximum security** prison without escape routes version for repeat offenders who keep escaping without doing at least half their sentence would be better to future proof this time-out for the freaks. Or at least have folks be in a max security prison until half their time then they get to be transported to Klecher

@@The-Cat something like that. griefing is not a playstyle taht should be tolerated or supported. i mean, maybe something like a seperate server for starcitizen where people can go to just blow off steam, something like 2b2t for star citizen would be a good idea in the long run, but in the meantime we gotta contain them somehow.

This is the kind of possibilities that can be enabled (and expanded) when you build from the ground up the back end tech to support your vision.

@@jenshep1720 There's a simpler way that breaks lore less. Lawless frontier systems. the people that want to be jerks can hang out there and do whatever they like without consequence. the rest of us can then pick and choose if and when we go near such a system. You go into truly lawless space, you run the risks of having to deal with griefers, gankers, pirates and so on. But these players don't have a free-for-all running through the whole game without consequence...

@@KuraIthys problem is the question of if they would actually restrain their activities to those systems. in order to keep pursuit and arrest realistic, i imagine there will only be a few guards afer them at a time, and as we all know griefers can deal with stuff like that easily.

I struggled with the dementors.

There is only one escape root so it can not become any more or less popular. There are just a couple of shortcuts.

Yeah they're going to need some form of randomisation in the escape tunnels, otherwise it'll just be a case of following a meta guide

@@CynicalOldDwarf the meta for escaping prison will be: dont go to prison. considering all you have to do after you escape klescher, no ones gonna do it. It's either gonna be avoid prison, or mine your way out.

@@dark_winter8238 They can easily modify the escape routes, with procedural design.

@@CynicalOldDwarf Chill even with knowing the path it's already hard not to mention even escaping from the moon with all those bounty Hunters hustling for every cent

but it's gonna get annoying for those remained... unless there's OITNB system of count. like you need to press this button inside your cell

@@PrograError why would it be annoying? its all automated, id assume the count would be too. Everybody with a prison suit within the prison walls is considered present. Those outside of it are considered escaped.

@@thedevilsadvocate98 well you need something physical to you "count" , suit detection might be advance enough, but knowing the prison company from OITNB, it's more likely a suit given to the lowest bidder for the least tech needed to keep them alive and productive...

The prison already can detect that an inmate is trying to escape once the player is deep and committed enough into the escape route.

Unfortunately it's far less glamorous right now than how he describes it in the video. There are still too many bugs in the game that can send you to prison, and bugs and toxic players that can keep you there despite having done nothing wrong. Sentence times are usually well over an hour, and mining only works if your multitool isn't bugged or prisoners with guns in the prison don't kill you. The escape route was poorly designed and depends on luck. Not to mention it is in the starting area feet from where you spawn in, so you never have to go near the mines. Bounty hunters are incentivized to camp the exit with basically no downside or difficulty to do so unless other outside groups of players decide to stop them. And worst of all, pad rammers don't even get sent to prison they get a free teleport to grim hex where they can hide out and buy a chip to go clear their crimestat (if they even get one)

Collin Thanks for the reality check, i figured it myself, this idea is shit and will be boring as fuck like arma city life servers. Exits will be camped for eternity so no one bothers trying to escape they just leave the game for an hour and then eventually forever because of how lifeless it is. People have to realise it’s a game, it needs to fun and interactive, being a criminal and thrown into prison to mine or wait every time you get caught will result in it never happening.

Collin I think they could fix the escape camping with a no fly zone, so that even bounty hunters do not have clearance to get close to the facility, and would risk getting shot down or even pick up their own crime-stat

@@craZysteve547 right now to combat the exit camping you can go reactivate the comm array so that the campers get instant crimestat for being in the prison. The problem with that is you risk getting crimestat for trespassing when you reactivate the comms because they don't give enough time to leave once you've activated it. They just have a lot of things they clearly didn't think through enough and need to rebalance. That's why there's evocati and PTU to find these things and report them, but most people outside of evocati just want to play 3.9 and "look for the new meta weapons" don't do any actual testing or reporting

@@Salmon_Toastie of it will result in it never happening wouldn't that be a good thing? Less people committing crime is generally good for the playerbase, in my opinion. If you aren't good enough to avoid getting caught, don't do the crime. You call this idea shit but you might be forgetting this is an initial implementation of a system that'll be used in different star systems, so while it might not be 100% foolproof, it can develop into something that is rather useful to the game. I appreciate the reality check as well from Collin, good to get another perspective of how the implementation is actually going, and it's really annoying that pad rammers won't be taken out of the game immediately (I assume after multiple offenses). That being said, no point in calling this wasted gameplay upon it's first introduction. People said the same about mining in 2017, and look how far it has come.

I read somewhere, they will have Anvil Ballista outside.

Absolutely. Klescher is the only prison in the Stanton system. It should be one of the most heavily guarded areas in the game right now.

Like Ait said, they will be adding the anvil ballistic to the prison def at some point.

how about the prison if attacked every bounty hunter in area will receive a message and nice bonus for stopping it? and if no active players are around it could be generated backup... either way you will have short time to accomplish what you want, then the risk and cost go up

@Adrian **capitalship lol. not capitalist ship my guy

and its awesome even now!

Exactly. 20 years from now this will be the best game ever

"I'm not trapped in here with you! YOU'RE ALL TRAPPED IN HERE WITH ME!"

what a boring waste of time.

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@@briandunn2807 Tbh, this sounds like the most fun thing to do in the game...

NightHawk_ says a lot about the game lol

Sadly, us in our 20s are probably not getting the full release of this game until we are 50.

@@voromiir4327 Isn't that great? Gotta lot of time when you're retired ;D

you could kind off experience something maybe similar. in Arma3 altis life mode, its pretty basic but kind of similar idea. you can be good person and work as fisherman,miner and trader etc. or you can be an asshole or reble who kills people, rob gas stations , form a gang and attack police forces. rob a damn bank, trade illegal goods (like cocain). or you take role of a cop, and protect civilans,catch illegal traders, give people tickets etc. it has good gameplay and role play is what makes it awesome you can take other players hostages and negotiate with cops for money and stuff its pretty fun

@@GamingEntertainment12 yeah but when your in your 50, i would imagine you would be less interested in video games, also maybe less resposinsve making PVP and fast paced action unbearable for your slow cognitive abilites

@@omar619kamis Insert sarcasm disclaimer

Mafia and cartels

Yeah they should probably not do all that and just make a playable game.

@@crimescene25 no, they probably should do all that whilst making a playable game. That's the point behind star citizen. To make what is essentially the deepest possible game.

Done that. Cleared the bounty hunters in the vent and gave the client a ride to GrimHEX where he bought that hacking card to reset his crime status. Felt like freaking cool mission in GTA5 Online.

@@0x7A69 Monopolize the field chief and make hella bank

@@0x7A69 How did the client pay you? I still haven't figured out how money transferring works in the game yet.

@@nighthawk_ via quantum beacon

There's at least one more prison in the known lore, Quarterdeck, but it's in a different system that probably won't be implemented for a while. However, that does indicate that multiple additional prisons scattered around the UEE are possible.

What they should do is have it so every time someone gets caught using an exit, it gets sealed up, but then a new exit opens somewhere else for players to find. So as long as no one gets caught, the exit doesn't unnaturally seal itself.

@@austinmaheu4248 depends on the nature of the route and the sealing... a moon that goes through that sort of temperature swing is likely to have some seismic activity, so having 'rock falls' seal some routes would be perfectly reasonable (especially if they also include some seismic SFX etc whilst you're in the mines - which presumably / appear to have roof supports and the like (which would explain they they don't collapse like the escape routes)

it being hard is kind of the point, i think.

keep doing crime in prison to get more time

then you just never check out, once your time is served you got to go to the exit and check out, if you never do that you can stay in prison for as long as you wish, honestly i would love it if people started a prison gang, sadly unless we get the option to have multiple characters i don't see this happening, as most people don't want to just be in prison all the time when they play SC, with an expanding universe and new game features being added most people want to expiriance that as well.

Quite possible. When the crime system was introduced I kept getting dinged for the 'not stopping for security scan' thing. Almost always because what they were asking was physically impossible for my ship to do, or a minor screwup with my controls messed it up. The worst one was when I had a heavily damaged ship that was incapable of slowing to below 8 m/sec. That truly felt unfair... The irony of the most common problem though is that it's because I was flying a rather large and tough ship, and the security forces were pretty much incapable of harming me in any meaningful sense. So they'd ding me for not stopping (because I got like 20 seconds to stop when I need 50 to stop from full speed), then they can't kill me so I get bored and leave... And then I can't get that crimestat cleared again, because nobody seems capable of killing me, and a 1 bar crimestat isn't worth the time for player bounty hunters, especially if they end up having to fight off something large... Yeah... XD Unintended consequences huh...

@@KuraIthys seems to me that they need to have a drivers license thing in the game because of speed limit laws, and other types of laws

@@omegapointsingularity6504 lol. I guess that would work in some sense. There aren't technically speed limits though. What you run into is that security asks you to come to a complete stop in a time that's only reasonable for large ships if they're at about 1/4 their maximum speed. A driver's license would help as a secondary system I suppose. In terms of having 'points' on your licence, so you get a punishment for ignoring 'road rules' but not an immediate crimestat... That could solve some of this a little, since you'd only end up with crimestat if you were consistently breaking rules like this...

@@KuraIthys what would be the best solution for this, do you think? first of all is this even a problem? im not so deep into the games mechanics.

LOL, I ended up in there because I experienced a crash right before landing. Gave me a Crimestat for "Trespassing", but I respawned into game orbiting the sun with no fuel. Died and woke up in a cell.

they should add butcher bay as a Homage, a super max for galactic terrorists and pad rammers

Chill Satan, It's already hard enough. I just closed SC with great frustration because it took me 2 hours to escape and when I finally got out and drove away with the vehicle, i got instantly eradicated by a ##### bounty Hunter... that's hilarious. Not to mention i got into prison bc of a bug in the first place..

I'd love to have some equipment you could buy to help with bounty hunting. Like in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul had a bunch of drones out looking around the city for Padmé and her crew. Could be a cool idea to iterate on, even of they were consumable. Would be neat if you could send them out to different jurisdictions; just to help narrow down your search area.

Maybe just get rid of tracking. Just show where the crimes were committed, that way the criminals have to keep running to get away.

Imagine that, instead of placing a marker on the player, it is placed on the nearest structure to them.

Yeah, I see a bunch of people complaining about this not being enough 'fun'. But they fail to see that being a pirate, or griefer means you are probably ruining someone else's fun for your own enjoyment. That's the first issue. Second, 'crime' has higher payouts in the game than legit jobs. It then follows that there has to be some risk, otherwise, what's balancing out this extra reward you get for doing 'bad' things? (that's pure game logic, but still.) Third, the risk of getting caught and the negatives it brings requires that those seriously considering crime have to be smarter about what they're doing. Don't do things in high security areas. If you're into piracy, try to find ways to do it that reduce the risk of getting a massive sentence. (eg cut down on how many people you kill, use subterfuge rather than brute force, etc.) Seems the people inclined towards 'criminal' gameplay don't like having to be thoughtful about what they're doing, nor do they seem to be willing to consider what their 'fun' does to players who aren't interested in getting attacked by pirates and thugs constantly... There has to be some balance here. This is a game. It has to be fun for both the lawful and unlawful players (And everyone inbetween), and shouldn't be consistently benefiting one group at the expense of the other. (a free-for-all with no consequences definitely benefits those preferring unlawful gameplay over everyone else.)

KuraIthys yeah I definitely think this is a interesting on paper but in practice on an mmo I think this is a pretty awful idea.punishing players for engaging other players just sounds bad. Increase their bounty make them not able to go anywhere without being hunted down but don’t force people into rl timeout. This might work in alpha where everyone loves CIG and their decisions but I can’t see this working live. New players are gonna jump in engage in pvp and then get thrown in jail for 15+ minutes and say f this. If this were a single player game I’m all for it as for an mmo terrible idea.

@@Hangnailer47 There is a lot of gameplay in prison and after watching other videos I've wanted to try it out. BTW, mining for hadanite is the fastest way to reduce your sentence. One backpack load will reduce it by 7.5 hours.

Istvan56 like I said it’s a really interesting idea to tackle a problem but I just don’t think it’s going to be received as well if it were in a live environment time will tell. The breaking out of prison aspect sounds fun but once people figure out all the spots prisoners escape from I could see that being camped and maybe that’s the intended purpose but I don’t think punishing players with for pvp is a good thing. I hear the argument there needs to be consequences but a timeout seems excessive regardless of how fast you can get out through mining. But on the flip side if you can pirate a massive ship and all you gotta do is mine some rocks for a short bit maybe the risk isn’t that high. Definitely interesting to see how it will play out.

you need a shank, only the OXY torch cutter attachment does damage, the mining laser doesnt.

@@hardboiledaleks9012 which is weird... his points still stands. If you got a laser powerful to mine ore, you got a laser powerful enough to hurt people ;)

bah no to be honest, itll take about 2 weeks for people to realise escaping is absolutely impossible and not worth it. You still have a crimestat, you have to be escorted out and you have to go to karea outpost ALL in order to get your items back? + the fact people are gonna be looking to kill you as soon as you're top side... Nah, people are just gonna mine for 40 minutes, no ones escaping anything.

@@hardboiledaleks9012 you are underestimating some players level of competitiveness. They see the challenge and accept it 😂.

Players with A2 will be waiting overhead of escape route.

I think that as soon as someone opens fire on you they get a crimestat, so I don't think you should go to prison if you open fire on them back, since they got the crimestat first and after that point you don't get one for shooting back at them, since it would be self defense. At least this is what I think. I've never had to defend myself from another ship shooting at me so I can't be 100% sure.

That's how elite works, so I'm guessing it's similar here

As long as you aren’t the first to attack you should be fine

I think that ideally, this should vary by system. Maybe some systems have clear "self defense" laws, while some more strict systems have a more "kill em all and let god sort it out" mentality. Give each system it's own flavor. Having some systems be much more dangerous, not only from piracy, but from the "hell, I might go to prison just for getting attacked" would result in supply in those systems being lower, increasing demand, and resulting in them being more profitable for players willing to take on that risk. It would also mean needing to alter your strategy for systems like that. Instead of just relying on having bigger guns than the pirates, you might want to go with being faster to escape them, or employing other tactics to "outsmart" them.

@@FlesHBoX The levels of crimestat vary by zone already, but I'm not sure if it strictly applies to who gets crimestats for shooting in self defense, it's more to do with the initial crimestat, which would be a cool addition I agree.

Too bad it never will be released

Ramanoser There’s always solitary confinement.

Yeah AI tech needs to advance before they can create a game this immersive in a reasonable time span. If AI were smarter they could do 80% of the work, but for the time being the devs have to do almost everything.

Actually... the game is available to play now.

@@RenegadeJames LOL it's not even in Beta

@@Jut1233456 I'd give it another 8 - 12 months.

@@RenegadeJames wanna bet on that?

a prison planet complex? where the whole place will light up like 4 july? sure...

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