Finding out that the Discovery is larger than the Enterprise E is hilarious because even with all that size, Burnam still has to share a room with Tilly.
a lot of that length is the huge warp nacelles. the actual livable space looks pretty low. on smaller ships of the fleet Ensigns would usually share quaters. the enlisted crew would be in shared rooms/ bunk area's
@@stephenramsey5585 Yorktown was a weird and cool one. Also in the weird and cool category, I do rather like the starbase design at the start of Discovery season 3.
One detail that kind of stuck out to me is that pretty much all the Federation ships we saw in the first two seasons were some variation of a saucer-and-nacelles design, and the only ships in the show that had the secondary hull were the Crossfield and Constitution classes. So... you could make the assumption that the Crossfield is so big because it’s the Federation’s first attempt at making a ship with that design configuration and they just haven’t figured out how to minimise all the technology (which could also explain why the Crossfield’s design is so blocky and angular). And then they started work on the Constitution class where they were able to refine the concept and scale it down to a more efficient size and design.
The Shenzhou and Enterprise Bridges were actually separate sets. The Shenzhou bridge itself has been reused multiple times or redressed to make other ships. There was another Starfleet ship in a Season 1 episode, which was fighting Klingons, so they used it in that. For Season 2, it became the Section 31 ship bridge and then, most recently, it became the central section of Starfleet HQ in Season 3. The Enterprise Bridge has only ever been used for the Enterprise, both on Discovery, Short Treks and the upcoming spin-off "Strange New Worlds".
Thank you so much for giving credit to the XB-70 bomber. I'm so old I remember my father holding a TV Guide magazine and telling me about a new series called "Star Trek" that would soon premier on TV, and I recognized the design long time ago from the bomber itself and the early 70's series that never happened.
One interesting bit that wasn’t in here, but revealed in Eaglemoss’s magazine that came with the XL Discovery was that the initial idea for Discovery’s defining feature wasn’t the Spore Drive, but a camouflage mode to infiltrate Klingon space: The outer ring of the saucer would detach, so the ship would be able to mimic the warp signature of a Klingon cruiser. Pretty cool idea. My personal headcanon about the segmented rings has been the ability to detach and or quarantine that segment because of all the science experiments that are on it.
Adam, are you sure you're not a character on that holodeck? You are too awesome and funny to be real. "Computer, create a holodeck character to make Data laugh"
The Enterprise bridge was a completely new build, even constructed on a separate soundstage on the Pinewood lot. Watch the behind the scenes featurettes on the Discovery Season 2 BluRay.
Actually Discovery's warp core is in Stamets' lab. It's an horizontal one like the Enterprise's from TOS. It's placed at the end of the of the room opposite to the entrence. If you google for images to 'USS Discovery warp core' it's the second search result. So one could argue, that the room with the spore chamber actually is engineering.
On the size, yeah it is long but it also appears to be much flatter than other ships so while it is longer than the Enterprise E the E looks to be 4 times thicker.
Despite my earnest desire to be a "good audience member" I cannot ignore that Starfleet put black boxes in every single ship for the express purpose of finding the cause is any catastrophic disaster to the ship. Then, when it happens on a vast scale (AKA "The Burn") it never occurred to the Entire Starfleet system to track down the black boxes until Burnham does it? That is stretching credulity, isn't it?
Burnham isn't the one who found the black box that had the final piece of the puzzle, it was Book. That final piece added to what was in Starfleets own records from when they gathered the black boxes. So yes, it did occur to Starfleet, and yes they just were not able to find all the pieces of a puzzle. Just watch the show and you won't have these questions.
Well, similar bridges make sense in the real world too. You would have to expect some standardization in building a massive fleet. I imagine the bridges of many naval vessels look alike.
Up until the '80s, when it came to ship sets, they had the excuse that they were doing a teleplay, with everything that goes along with that. But since the '80s, we've been in a position where we could produce plausible sets. Paramount/CBS need to take the right lessons from Babylon 5: make your sets as flexible as possible, and have a good excuse for saminess.
Star Trek as a whole should have (and in a couple of cases, did) steal ideas from Babylon 5. One of these was the overarching storyline, something that B5 had from the start, but that you don't see in Star Trek until DS-9, when it crops up around season...3?...when Rick Berman leaves and the new showrunners can actually start implementing changes to the narrative, turning DS-9 from a variation of the 'alien of the week' formula of TOS and TNG to a more arc-based system that B5 used to great effect.
To be fair. It would make sense for a large fleet to standardize ship designs. It already happens in the real world. I dont see why they couldn't do it in star trek either
so there is actually a fantastic explanation for the design differences between TOS and DIS in beta canon and it predates discovery by a loooooong time and that is all of the ships, stations, and bases of TOS era trek were basicaly designed by 1 person and that person is captain robert april the founder of the "modern" starfleet corp of engineers and first captain of the ncc 1701 enterprise. before his rise to prominence starfleet didnt really have a standardized design template and they just sort of built whatever the disjointed engineers of starfleet could come up with but the Robert came along and changed everything and created uniform design principles for all starfleet ships from that point on. the bit of fluff was created to add an in universe explanation for gene roddenberrys strict design rules for TOS, TAS, and early TNG ships and its clear that the creators of discovery took this explanation and ran with it but that still means that starfleet entirely changed the designs of their ships, stations, and outposts in about a decade so there is still that inconsistency but ya win some ya lose some
Exile Studios the flaw in this logic is that discovery was built after the enterprise so that design concept would have complied w/ tos design. I think the best explanation would be to admit that they wanted to do something different and the audience rejected it; in other words admit they fucked up.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo audience doesn't seem to uniformly reject it, though. I know I like it, even if that Phase II triangular Booty Section (that's the correct terminology, right?) is delightfully goofy. I really liked the Discovery-era Enterprise, too... after all, we already knew there were several refits before and even one during Kirk's captaincy.
For real. In canon, we have the CoE going from the NX-01 to the f'n Daedalus class, and tempering back to the Soyuz, Dreadnought, Enterprise, Federation, and Constitution classes... not to mention Crossfield.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated you do have a point about it not being uniformly rejected, it does have its fans. I do wish there could be a poll or something to gage the popularity of the series w/ the fans. My gut instinct says it’s not well received
The Discovery Bridge Set and Shensu Bridge Sets were different sets all together. The Shensu Bridge set was redressed to become the Bridge Set for the Section 31 Ship in Season 2. Their is a time lapse video of how they opened up the middle to make the downstairs area. * Remember, they had that Netflix money for season 1.
Umm, I’m pretty sure there are three different bridge sets on Discovery: The Discovery itself, which was also used for the Zheng He (sp?) in Star Trek Picard. The Shenzhou set, which was reused for the Mirror Shenzhou obviously as well as the Section 31 ship in season two as well as the new Federation HQ in season 3. And the Discoprise set, which they put a lot of effort in knowing they could reuse it for Strange New Worlds.
I think we need to have at least like 1 “lower decks” esque episode per season about the experiments that aren’t front and center. And the first can be Linus.
You know how the saucer section spins around when they use the spore drive? I wonder if crew in that area get flung around. Or what happens if you’re in the junction between the saucer section and the neck. Do those people get disoriented?
It is the warp core and it is the engine room. They've said that it was early in the first season and they would seal that door before going to black alert. It was the shows attempt to connect the design to tos
@@MattFergusonmwfergo Plus, the fact that their chief engineer spends all his time there also indicates that it's engineering. Even if he was only there to be the tardihumangrade, who then is running the actual engineering? .... hmm, probably Tilly.
The fact that so much of Discovery's technology was so advanced, even by Next Generation standards, PADDs, Free-floating holographic displays, children's toys that made hard light objects, etc and that they had such a culturally diverse crew including a cyborg, people with implementations and multiple alien races made it very hard for me to get into the first season of Discovery as an in cannon pre-Kirk and Spock show. Good writing finally won out but most of that first season was me scoffing at "Well, they wouldn't have had that, or that or that..."
TOS was the most advanced it could be done at the time. Even Axanar was made like the most Advanced it could be done. You know they are going to straight re make the OS.
@@valentinramos8264 My point is that I believed that the NX Enterprise was a ship that came before Kirk's Enterprise. They made that level of technology believable. And even for the 60's, it's not that hard to imagine the NCC Enterprise was possible, in four centuries. But the things on Discovery, not the spore drive, but the displays the general daily technology is advanced far beyond the LCARS of TNG. That's my problem with it. It doesn't fit between the two Enterprises.
USS Lantree will be number 1 on spookiest SF-ships on my list. Here a few more. Please feel free to add ;) - crashed USS Voyager - USS Pegasus - USS Stargazer - USS Yosemite - USS Constellation
About the size of the ship, remember, we can postulate that the flat bits of the nacel pylons mostly contain the mushroom blooms for the new propulsion.
As for #6 7:10 the process of reusing and repurposing the same set pieces for different ships has been done in EVERY ST series and EVERY ST movie as well. To make new sets for every ship would make production costs so high that none of the shows could get made
So Adam, what you’re saying is the USS Discovery is so large because it is literally nothing more than a super advanced test bed for starfleet and the federation in the research and development for new technolgies?
When Adam was talking about CBS started to talk about the ship jumping around and stuff. And then he discussed the Crossfield Class he might have slipped in that it was Timey Whimey
I it when you do these videos... Sorry to the other guys... But your humor and timing is just so spot on.... And yes, as an American, I very much want to hear a man with from the north talk... Cause any accent from the UK is sexy.
The cancelled XB-70 Valkyrie was meant to go to Mach 3+. Too bad it was never actually deployed, but its nice to know it influenced the final design of the Discovery.
you forget.. the glenn was the most horrific ship because of its last "spinout" with its spore drive, everyone of the crew came back inside out which was AWFUL to see, should have been in your horrific moments episode, but I agree as a longtime starship modeler both cg and polystyrene your video was perfect to the details no one asks about! love the show keep up the good work
I remember people complaining about the look of Star Trek Enterprise. Both shows have that modern look and then try and say the look in the original series is more " futuristic ". They had the same issues with the Star Wars prequels.
So good. Just watching you is entertaining even when you’ve lost me in Trekkie nerdiness. How do you do all that word perfect with no prompt! Brilliant
Re: size, I figured that the wings (since there aren't pylons I guess) to the nacelles might be solid material. Who knows what kind of carbon nanotube structure is optimal for warp and spore drives. I also figured that since it has to be able to flip very quickly, in more than 4 dimensions, in 2 universes at a time, the simpler the geometry the better. So a lot of it might be either solid or just cavities/porous material that doesn't bend. Or acts as a kind of transwarp Faraday cage. Or whatnot.
Somebody didn't do their research properly... it's only the corridors that are reused between different ships, the bridge sets for the Enterprise, Shenzou (used briefly for Gagarin) and Discovery (used for Riker cameo) are all completely different sets. The Shenzou bridge was rebuilt as the Section 31 bridge for season 2.
8: Non-Trek Influences Not gonna mention the giant Stargate that lets them teleport around? Even the energy "tunnel" they went through when finally returning to the Prime Universe looked like the gate travel tunnel visualization.
Reusabily is a way to keep costs down. One offs need to be avoided. The Enterprise in the Final Frontier had 78 plus decks. Remember the elevator scene? It didn't really bother me, but 78+ decks is huge.
Another great and well researched video... please, please, please do Terok Nor / Deep Space Nine. And please make that Phase II video, this is the second time you’ve dangled that carrot I think. The long the duration the better. WANT. xx
The design of the Ralph MacQuarrie concept bore a sneaky resemblance to the IDIC symbol. The finished ship still has the whole IDIC homage thing going for it.
Could we get an episode that explains the appearance of the Klingons in Discovery? shouldn't all Klingons in the era still be under the affects of the retro virus? Also how about a vid recap of the Starfleet uniforms through the canon timeline. 💙 this channel, keep up the great content
boxtym the series doesn't have an in show explanation that was mentioned on screen. Bryan Fuller wanted the bald Klingons and it was shit; felt like they were trying to do a game of thrones design cue and there was huge backlash. I really think we won't see Klingons again on this show, definitely not this season
Are you sure Stammit's lab isn't main engineering? The screenshot you use at 16:03 kinda looks like the TOS engineering. A room with technical stuff with ladders that lead up to a place where through a window you see enginey looking stuff.
First time to eye this behemoth, never watched the series, but the bronze hue was one of the first things I noticed in this video. I figured the person(s) responsible for the ship's design was just a Steampunker from the way the ship looked in general - the rotating, wheel-like saucer section in particular. Also (and probably about to get myself run out of town for this one), when I saw the layout of the hull my first thought was "proto-Voyager?" but they really aren't that similar after comparing their hulls. I guess it was just V's really long saucer that tricked my mind that way.
I like discovery...just recently got cbd all access...havent watched all 3 seasons...i was under impression that the show starts before rhe launch of kirk and his enterprise....yet its clearly a new design of a ship...i just have to say this...a lot of times when i watch discovery i feel like its a kelvin timeline show...i dunno why...just feels that way to me...picard...it feels more main cannon star trek...loved seven of nine coming back...that was a good 1st season...this show will be good...patrick stewart is such a good actor...i loved his 30 min comedy blunt talk...came on right before ash v evil dead...he surprised me with his live action comedy....i say live action cause he has been a voice actor for american dad flr years
