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Star Trek's Man Dress - Complete Story

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This is the complete saga of Star Trek The Next Generation’s man-dress, or skant uniform variant. It goes into the context and history behind this brief but memorable costume. The story of the Skant is also the story of William Ware Theiss, with his work beginning on Star Trek The Original Series and continuing on in-spirit on Strange New Worlds.
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00:00 Introduction
01:00 Skant Summary
02:32 Covering your Final Frontier… Space Dock… Decker Unit… Avoiding an Encounter at Far Point
04:15 Video sponsor promotion
05:30 William Ware Theiss and the Beginning
09:12 Creation of TNG’s Skant
10:00 Uniform colors
11:14 The Skant’s Legacy
13:07 Overall Thoughts
13:58: Rocks
14:30 End Credits

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18 авг 2024

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@JunkBallMedia 11 месяцев назад

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@xxxlonewolf49 11 месяцев назад

Correction, the 'emblem' was originally for Enterprise ONLY and all the other ships had other emblems.

@90lancaster 11 месяцев назад

I enjoy how they look over Trousers, this is not that far away from Polaski's costume. look

@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 10 месяцев назад

ah its a long shirt you are ment to wear pants with it!

@yuki-sakurakawa 10 месяцев назад

You just jumped from the TMP to TNG, without even a cursory mention of the monster Maroons (TWOK red tunic with coloured turtlenecks)-my favourite. 😂

@JunkBallMedia 10 месяцев назад

@@yuki-sakurakawa I had a short section on them, but since it didn’t tie to Theiss, I just skipped ahead.

@EnigmaticPenguin 11 месяцев назад

We were robbed of seeing Worf defend his honour to the other Klingons in Heart of Glory while wearing one.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

But we did get to see him in the dress uniform version, in Season 7’s “Liasons”! Riker even told him he looked good in a dress 😄

@alejandronopasanada5302 11 месяцев назад

I hope when they inevitably reboot TNG and they use writers who have nothing but contempt for the fans like STD, they have a STD Klingon fight and in STD fashion when Worf stabs Duras in the neck and it shows slow motion, then the camera pans down and you get a little peak at the ol double dong. Just for you. Double dong and quad sack.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@alejandronopasanada5302 dude at least a large portion of the fan base quite likes Discovery, and we’re now in an era where we have writers like the ones on Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. The Kurtzman boogeyman isn’t hiding in your ready room, chillax, put down the raktajino and replicate a nice soothing Tarkalean tea and a Risan doobie instead 🖖😄

@alejandronopasanada5302 11 месяцев назад

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated I don’t get any of that goofy animosity people who like it versus those that don’t get into. It’s an IP at the end of the day BUT let’s be real, they said what they said about the fans and they had Klingons using the bathroom on screen with two streams. I don’t know why jokes about that are not allowed without the projection of being bent out of shape. It’s you my dear, it’s you. Touch some grass and get some double dong.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@alejandronopasanada5302 I mean my mistake if you’re not as hostile towards -Pepe Silvia- Alex Kurtzman as I thought, but it’s hard to guage tone in text and I fully agree that we should be allowed to like and dislike whatever we do, I for example think the Animated Series is terrible (though I’ve been loving the Very Short Treks)! I haven’t heard anything about anyone saying stuff about fans, what’s that about? Personally I can’t say I have any opinions about seeing Klingons have a wee, and if I find a hot Klingon lady with dual disruptor barrels who’s into Earth women I’ll be sure to give your suggestion a try 🥳

@spacepiratecaptainrush1237 11 месяцев назад

imagine the absolute power move of opening hailing frequencies and there's the captain front and centre in his Skant, sitting in the centre chair with with knees apart, relaxed, confident.

@wendigos_eat_people7177 11 месяцев назад

lol, You have a dirty mind.........🤣

@swirvinbirds1971 11 месяцев назад

Airing it all out to Starfleet... 😂

@gerardoarellano7698 10 месяцев назад

Glorious.

@Jagunco 10 месяцев назад

faint smell of cheese

@etherealceleste 10 месяцев назад

If only we got a Scottish Captain...

@Hyreia 10 месяцев назад

Admittedly that one buff guy walking towards the screen with it on? He absolutely killed it. The way he rocks it (with the boots?) he makes it feel like a kilt-version of the uniform.

@peaceblossomvalentin667 10 месяцев назад

Ii know. That guy in the foreground is wearing it with so much confidence and what feels like positive attitude to see him. His look, his walk, his posture, his frame. It's like he is saying this what men can wear if they choose and everyone is equal and there is no division between the two. So great

@Hyreia 10 месяцев назад

@@peaceblossomvalentin667 Exactly! He made me believe.

@someguy4853 10 месяцев назад

Looked like a true Spartan

@shamancredible8632 10 месяцев назад

@@peaceblossomvalentin667if you're a man and you're wearing a dress, it better be a kilt. Otherwise I'm going to make fun of you, because no matter how far in the future humanity goes, you're fruity if you do that

@devenscience8894 10 месяцев назад

@@shamancredible8632 truly, you are the epitome of Star Trek's ideals. /s

@brynpookc1127 11 месяцев назад

I wore miniskirts in the 70s and you had to move very carefully, you never bent over and there’s a special way to reach/stretch up that keeps the skirt in place. Edit: It’s correct that the mini was a female statement of independence at the time and highly criticized by men.

@tomverlaine728 11 месяцев назад

Not leg men I bet.

@chrismayer3919 11 месяцев назад

In this day/ age, males are more likely to dress effeminately, so the slant today would have less of a sociological impact. (Especially if one is intersexed)

@thehigherman9918 11 месяцев назад

I still criticise it

@oiytd5wugho 11 месяцев назад

@@chrismayer3919 tell me you have no idea what gender or sex is without telling me you have no idea _Especially if one is intersexed_ jesus fucking christ

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@thehigherman9918 of course you do, you mewling _petaQ._

@c.j.nyssen6987 10 месяцев назад

The skant as a uniform variant actually makes sense when you realize the ambient temperature of Starfleet vessels with human/alien crews is set at 24°C (75.2°F) to accommodate various lifeforms. That's a little too warm for many people, so an opportunity to bare your legs would be welcomed by anyone who found it too much.

@sqlexp 10 месяцев назад

Yes, the view you can have when you climb up a ladder behind your crewmate.

@Frankie5Angels150 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, that’s it. For comfort… 🤦🏻‍♂️

@Crosshill 10 месяцев назад

why no short shorts or regular shorts under short skirt, you can wear a regular pair of modest shorts with a short skirt and get the exact same risky naked look, why is nobody out here with shorts on ladies paired with short dresses

@peterc.1419 10 месяцев назад

No that's an excuse to put mini skirts on women and to put them also on men. 24 C is not hot enough to have to operate in shorts and we also don't know what the humidity level was. And besides, shorts do exist.

@ChadDidNothingWrong 10 месяцев назад

They had desktop-sized freon air conditioners in 1980's japan, with a cooling loop you wear on the wrist.....so for them to not have a fully portable method of cooling a person in stsr trek is kind of silly.

@concernedcitizen6313 11 месяцев назад

While Picard never wore a skant, he and others sometimes wore the best dress uniform in any series, which looked a lot like a longer dress with pants underneath.

@Setnja92 10 месяцев назад

This is true. You have a good memory 🙂

@PaperbackWizard 10 месяцев назад

The earliest incarnation of that dress uniform had them basically wearing leggings underneath. Lwaxana Troi was checking out Picard's legs in her first episode and even tricked him into wearing the same uniform to her quarters later.

@emilybemily4397 10 месяцев назад

Worf referred to it as a dress in a later season. Liaisons, possibly.

@neverendinglute3125 10 месяцев назад

I think because it had slacks underneath it gets more forgotten. I was really looking forward to hearing it mentioned in this video but it went forgotten

@Scripture-Man 10 месяцев назад

@@emilybemily4397 Yes, it was the beginning of Liaisons. He said "They look like dresses" to which Riker angrily replied "That is an incredibly outmoded and sexist attitude. I'm surprised at you… Besides, you look good in a dress."

@aDifferentJT 11 месяцев назад

I love the irony of the TMP costume designer criticising TOS costumes for looking too pyjama-y.

@raven4k998 10 месяцев назад

it's that time for you to wear a man dress dude🤣🤣🤣

@Scripture-Man 10 месяцев назад

Everyone knows pyjamas are the ultimate futuristic fashion. Just ask The Traveler from Tau Alpha C

@Theduckwebcomics 10 месяцев назад

@@Scripture-ManArthur Dent is the Ultimate space style guru.

@Fridelain 10 месяцев назад

Actual NASA uniforms described as space pajamas by the actual astronauts in the ISS.

@kadmii 11 месяцев назад

just imagining Sisko undoing his skant while confessing to playing a role in the murder of a Romulan senator

@VegetaLF7 11 месяцев назад

"I can live with it..." *zip*

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

“It’s a _dreeeeeeess!!”_

@ObsessiveCostumingDude 11 месяцев назад

"But the most damning thing is ..." [zips up and closes skant] "I think I can live with it."

@ShamrockParticle 10 месяцев назад

I'd that doesn't redefine "IT'S A FAAAAKE!", then nothing will! 😅

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 10 месяцев назад

@@ShamrockParticle but we’re talking about Sisko in a _genuine Starfleet skant,_ not some shoddy Pakled bootleg.

@The2wanderers 10 месяцев назад

I feel like the skant with leggings looks more like a believable uniform than the jumpsuits ever did.

@Bionickpunk 10 месяцев назад

Then it just ends up being a really long shirt.

@deadend1041 10 месяцев назад

Funny how the jump suits from enterprise are very very similar to the used on subs when i was in the navy

@zilentis1835 10 месяцев назад

@@deadend1041that was intentional. TNG famously wanted a “Cruise Ship aesthetic”, luxury technologies, lots of carpeted space, in the early episodes Tasha even mentions going to some of the Enterprise’s “shops”. This sorta philosophy was continued in Star Trek, DS9 they wanted something a bit more communal and it’s kinda like an apartment complex and airport, Voyager they wanted sleek and sci-fi like a special fighter plane. For Enterprise, in order to sell the feel of this being much more primitive compared to the other Star Treks, it’s aesthetic was actually based on real submarines-even it’s hull-compact compartments, very little space and capacity for crew, hand rails and bracing handles spaced everywhere. And yes, their uniform is almost literally just an actual uboat navyman’s uniform.

@riftvallance2087 10 месяцев назад

@@BionickpunkMore like a tunic then, I like the idea of fashion being cyclical. Could use a belt to round off the look though

@zilentis1835 10 месяцев назад

@@aaronmoore3050 wut

@wylloughbye 11 месяцев назад

I LOVE my skant. Made it from Alex Beard's pattern about 2 years ago. They are really comfortable, and not nearly as revealing as you think. One of the fascinating things with wearing them, is that the skirt flap naturally falls to keep your warp core from showing when sitting.

@ObsessiveCostumingDude 11 месяцев назад

I'm glad you had a good experience with the pattern and enjoy your skant! :)

@armandoestebanquito2282 11 месяцев назад

That we have never seen O`Brien wearing a skant on screen is one of the great tragedies of humanity... (I love your channel, it's a joy every time there's a new episode!)

@martinez1701a 11 месяцев назад

Funny you mention him, I saw him shopping at fashion square Mall here in Sherman Oaks California lol

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@martinez1701a “bloody cardigans!”

@john.premose 11 месяцев назад

Why O'Brien?

@BlownMacTruck 11 месяцев назад

@@john.premoseBecause O’Brien is the ultimate every man. Also who wouldn’t want to see Colin Meaney’s hot Irish legs?

@PorcuPineAppleSauce 11 месяцев назад

O'Brien must suffer

@Hexagonal_Goblin 11 месяцев назад

15 minutes worth of skantposting is everything I could ever want

@J4ME5_ 10 месяцев назад

and rocks!

@Scripture-Man 10 месяцев назад

Just wanted to point out that you are skantpost-posting, and I'm skantpost-posting-posting.

@miklosernoehazy8678 10 месяцев назад

@@Scripture-Man ...and I just wanted to point out, Lt. Worf knows just exactly what the skant is Starfleet's version of... ... IT'S A KILT!!!... ... THAT'S WHAT CAPTIAN SCOTT TOLD ME!!!... ...SEVENTY FIVE YEARS IN A TRANSPORTER BUFFER DOES NOT MAKE THAT MAN'S OPINION INVALID!!!... ...IT'S... ...A... ...KILT!!!...

@ShamrockParticle 10 месяцев назад

I skant believe I agree with you! 😏 😁

@alexbruce9499 11 месяцев назад

I didn't properly appreciate it at the time, but Pulaski's skant-plus-pants combo may actually be my favourite TNG uniform. The SNW version is very nice.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

Skants-plus-pants was also essentially the dress uniform from TNG to Voyager.

@roadkillz78 10 месяцев назад

I'll have to admit, those two did go well together; they could have utilized that look for everyone else on that season, might have turned out pretty good.

@hackman669 10 месяцев назад

Hehe 😄

@kaitlyn__L 10 месяцев назад

I'm a big fan of Pulaski's uniform too, well, the second revision. Her first few episodes' one is chunky and uncomfortable-looking.

@sleepinglionarchives 11 месяцев назад

This discussion reminded me of a conversation I once had with my boss. I was working as a teacher and talking with the principal about our dress code. I was commenting that men had to wear suits, ties and all, in the warm months while female staff were free to wear sleeveless tops and skirts. His response was, "Well, you can wear a skirt," because shorts were not in the staff dress code. I did not wear a skirt

@temparalflux914 11 месяцев назад

Happens every summer in the UK, kids challenge the gender equality when it comes to Summer clothes as girls can wear skirts which are a lot cooler than trousers, and shorts are not in the dress code, so every summer we see an article on Facebook with a boy wearing a skirt because it is in the dress code but shorts are not (it has nothing to do with gender identity but practicality).

@r0bw00d 11 месяцев назад

So was the principal an idiot, asshole, or both?

@DawnDavidson 10 месяцев назад

Shoulda worn a kilt, obvi!

@kaitlyn__L 10 месяцев назад

@@temparalflux914 that's great. Back when I was in secondary school the dress code explicitly only allowed skirts for girls, the couple of boys who tried were sent home to wear trousers! Glad we've moved on at least a little bit.

@Escafrost 10 месяцев назад

I would get a kilt. Then it's manly.

@Setnja92 10 месяцев назад

This is what i like about Star Trek. Even such a small detail as a pants-skant-skirt isn't as small as one would think. It makes one think about stereotypes, history, pros and cons, one's own opinion and the possible dresscode of the future.

@lyrajaded 10 месяцев назад

We did see Picard in a dress uniform! Just like the skant, I love how nonchalantly accepted it is. Picard’s only complaint is that he hates the collar because it’s uncomfortable

@JudasBooth 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate the video mentioning that the TOS minidress was actually Grace Lee Whitney's idea; it gives credit where it's due (Grace came from a stage and dance background and was comfortable in such garb, similar to Nichelle Nichols, who also admitted to liking the outfit), it rightly addresses the issues Grace faced because of it (though she was already a substance addict before TOS, it certainly didn't help), and it helps to alleviate a certain negative view among some commentators (looking at you, TrekCulture) that it was Gene Roddenberry's idea to have women run around in short dresses, which tends to paint him as some kind of lecherous chauvinist. Far from it; Gene may have been a shameless womanizer in his personal life, but professionally he held women in high regard, especially in a time when precious few in Hollywood did.

@user-do2ev2hr7h 11 месяцев назад

Maybe so, but it's an undeniable fact that Gene did have a tendency to try to insert "sexiness" into Trek and it usually came off as awkward when he did.

@rolandogamez 11 месяцев назад

And Nichelle Nichols brought back the dress in ST4 as well!

@nlald 11 месяцев назад

Yeah! Roddenberry was a lecherous egalitarian.

@PixelLife101 11 месяцев назад

@@user-do2ev2hr7hI'd disagree, one thing TOS has is romance and inserts alot of beauty shots done tastefully. Ie focusing on the woman's face and eyes...

@starwarsnerd100 11 месяцев назад

@@PixelLife101 On the less tasteful side, Gene also proposed that the Ferengi have enormous cod pieces for their huge junk. Or the TNG episode Justice where the planet of blonde men and women are all frolicking and oiling up each other in the back ground. Gene was a multi faceted guy, it's true that he fought for things like women and minorities having a more prominent role on the show, but he was also a bit of a pervert and liked finding excuses to add weird sex stuff to the show, even if the skirts weren't his idea.

@shinyagumon7015 11 месяцев назад

I like the Skant on Troi, would've been better then the weird catsuit. Also love the uniform concept with sideboob for men and women.

@90lancaster 11 месяцев назад

+9:42 Very risque But it would be nice to see something like that for someone stationed on Risa say. I think the bare arms are cool though I'd like to see that made up as a costume I think it would really work well. Perhaps the colour on the side panels with bare arms would really work nicely.

@user-do2ev2hr7h 11 месяцев назад

I think it would have worked better if there were stockings or something to go with it. Bare legs with the boots just looks weird and makes the whole outfit look more shapeless than it probably should have.

@mechanomics2649 11 месяцев назад

Yeah I've never liked the catsuits. Didn't like it on Troi, didn't like it on Seven.

@DawnDavidson 10 месяцев назад

@@90lancasterwow, I missed that! I can’t imagine how the epaulets would stay down on the sleeveless version, though. Glue? Staples?? The mind boggles.

@Aerojet01 10 месяцев назад

They look creepy.

@jakmrnd 11 месяцев назад

In my own head canon I always took the Command and Operations switching colors to be a hold over from the Monster Maroon uniforms from the movies. That during the time between the movies and TNG the red uniforms became a symbol of Starfleet and the Federation across the galaxy. So when Starfleet decide to change the uniforms and go back to a more simpler design the red became the color for Command because it would be those officers who would be making first contact with new races and representing the Federation in other diplomatic, exploratory, and defensive matters.

@hackman669 10 месяцев назад

Alright!😁

@itubeutubewealltube1 11 месяцев назад

hate to break the news, but scotty wore his man dress, better known as a kilt, in 1967 during the original star trek run

@rhocat362 11 месяцев назад

Thank you ❤

@drewmonroe6782 10 месяцев назад

Sry but kilts aren’t skants.

@itubeutubewealltube1 10 месяцев назад

@@drewmonroe6782 aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, . . . . . . . . . she'd be a wagon.

@rhocat362 10 месяцев назад

@@drewmonroe6782 everybody's a critic

@HansBelphegor 10 месяцев назад

Yep scotty is why i own kilts

@Funct 11 месяцев назад

The effort that goes into the little details for these videos is so, so appreciated.

@Lost_n_Found_1 11 месяцев назад

I second that.

@jonathankirsch2121 11 месяцев назад

Seriously, all the amazing graphics and B Roll and photos, it's astounding how much effort put into these productions!

@mepm 11 месяцев назад

I heard sausage separation instead of saucer separation and thought oh that totally explains where the skant went :D

@CAP198462 10 месяцев назад

The assembly of the skant is so incredibly intricate. There’s zips, ties, and snaps all over the the outfit.

@jrnelson_ 11 месяцев назад

This is exactly the type of well researched analysis I have come to expect from this channel. Thank you for making videos talking about the real things Trekkers care about.

@joebartlett1505 11 месяцев назад

Zapp Brannigan was a fan of the skant, especially the velour ones.

@-GeordieDan- 11 месяцев назад

His eyes uncovered! Junk Ball returns.

@beyerdr 11 месяцев назад

I think its probably good for the show that the "skant" went away for a while. The more "military" look of the Starfleet uniform played well for TNG/DS9 and Voyager. Imagine fighting the Dominion war in a mini dress?

@rhocat362 11 месяцев назад

I just did 😂😂😂😂😂distract a Jem'Hadr❤

@DawnDavidson 10 месяцев назад

@@rhocat362yeah, they are so doped up already they wouldn’t be able to process what they were seeing. 😂

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

If you can fight a war in a pink minidress, you can fight a war in anything.

@Stealthwilde 11 месяцев назад

I always thought it was called the skant because it was… well, scanty. I never put two and two together and figured it was skirt/pant

@hannahlarge5738 11 месяцев назад

i love my TOS nurses uniform. made with real velour. i wear it with leggings and it's warm, practical, and comfortable, while also looking great. weirdly, this is my one cosplay that NEVER gets groped or harassed.

@r0bw00d 11 месяцев назад

That's weird. I suppose the logic behind that is, since you're not showing off any skin, you're also not being provocative.

@hannahlarge5738 10 месяцев назад

@@r0bw00d there are lots of factors but "skin" is rarely one of them, although perceived "femininity" certainly plays a part -disney princesses are always prime targets for sexual harassment at cons, even when they're being played by dudes with beards. personally i think it's that the creeps tend to like their targets to be vulnerable, and the ToS uniform gives me a lot of confidence.

@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 10 месяцев назад

Challenge accepted!

@DrWhom 10 месяцев назад

You should not get groped at all

@theRPGmaster 10 месяцев назад

Don't worry, if you're sad about it, me and@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 are up for the task

@Lazzars 11 месяцев назад

There's something about the pallet swap of Picard and Data's uniforms that I find really uncomfortable

@EmeralBookwise 10 месяцев назад

I was 9 when TNG premiered, and to this day I can still vividly remember how cool it was to see the Skant being worn by men. I've never really cared much for masculine "norms", and so the idea of a future where men could wear whatever they want without fear of ridicule always felt very liberating.

@StopMakingEveryoneDumb 10 месяцев назад

😂

@ianlassitter2397 10 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@StopMakingEveryoneDumb 10 месяцев назад

@@ianlassitter2397 , this guy just said he wants to wear a dress. 😆😆😆

@eureka5635 10 месяцев назад

@@StopMakingEveryoneDumb They're comfortable enough in their selves to wear one, unlike you.

@StopMakingEveryoneDumb 10 месяцев назад

There's entirely too much soy in our food supply. SMH

@johansmallberries9874 10 месяцев назад

Funny thing is, the media would have people flipping out about this today. Back then it was a throw away concept that at worst viewers found mildly amusing.

@margotsquirrell 10 месяцев назад

i like that the tng dress uniforms were dresses, definitely brings the feeling of "everything is gender neutral". I do kinda wish that they'd kept the concept of all the characters wearing the skant sometimes though.

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

The jumpsuit sort of went into that direction. It's functional first. It's what pilots and racecar drivers and engineers wear on duty. Enterprise also gave us jumpsuits, and even more practical ones than in TNG, because they had pockets where you could store all kinds of useful stuff. Yes, that is my main issue with Starfleet attire. No place to put things. Can't hide that mini phaser anywhere but in your buttcrack. No way to covertly carry a communicator on away missions. And how many phasers and tricorders get thrown around because the holsters are just open plastic rings.

@DurocShark 11 месяцев назад

I'm ordering a Warning: Rocks sticker, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make it on a mug! It would be great for the office!

@MarkDawsPresents 11 месяцев назад

This is the deep dive into the Skant we all needed.

@theblackwidower 11 месяцев назад

If memory serves the dress uniforms from early TNG were basically skants. The shirt being so long it nearly reached their knees.

@mcdouche2 11 месяцев назад

The day after Riker discovered the Skant existed, he invented shoe mirrors to assist in his level 3 diagnostics.

@jackplumley3308 11 месяцев назад

He was definitely a p hound

@Takegat 10 месяцев назад

I laughed way too hard at this

@footballrestored171 10 месяцев назад

Unfortunately, he had to get rid of the shoe mirrors as when he tried to sit down in a chair using his famous leg swing, one of the shoe mirrors flew off and injured a crew member.

@ravensnflies8167 10 месяцев назад

he didnt invent them; he simply rediscovered primitive ancient technology🤣🤣🤣

@Scripture-Man 10 месяцев назад

Riker was a stickler for the rules. After the skant was decommissioned, whenever he saw a female officer wearing one he would angrily insist she took it off immediately.

@JC_Chappy 11 месяцев назад

Junkball was my first ever RU-vid subscription... back when cats reigned supreme on this strange new site called RU-vid.

@lancebaylis3169 10 месяцев назад

It's actually kind of disappointing that we never got to see any other main cast wearing one, given several of them have said they actually would have been fine with it.

@hackman669 10 месяцев назад

Yeah Worf could use one while battling it out with Data over who has the best legs. 🦵 Then Riker enters the chat revealing his newly waxed calves winning the debate. Troy laughing 😅 in background.

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

@@hackman669Riker would totally do that. Show of his manliness to shut up the rest of the crew.

@brushfuse 11 месяцев назад

When you live in Berlin, there is nothing at all unusual about a guy walking around in a dress, or indeed, walking around naked. Star Trek was just way ahead of the zeitgeist.

@Game_Hero 10 месяцев назад

wait, what?

@brushfuse 10 месяцев назад

@@Game_Hero I should have said walking around clubs and certain FKK parks and beaches when naked. Not just anywhere :)

@HansBelphegor 10 месяцев назад

@@brushfuse you know i know better but the way you put it all i imagine is a bunch of muscle men running around in dirndl

@brushfuse 10 месяцев назад

@@HansBelphegor Pretty much anything goes if you're not bothering anyone else. :)

@rhocat362 10 месяцев назад

@@brushfuse how wonderfully refreshing!!!

@vasp99 11 месяцев назад

The skant looks exactly like the classic tunic which is one of humanity's most popular garments .

@jasonarthurs3885 11 месяцев назад

But it's a skant!

@rolandogamez 11 месяцев назад

Yeap! If you think it's feminine, dic legionario Romano! (Say it to a Roman Legionnaire!)

@ThreadBomb 11 месяцев назад

It's a bit more clingy than a tunic.

@vasp99 11 месяцев назад

@@ThreadBomb Marcus Antonius was famous for wearing clingy tunics .

@tankermottind 11 месяцев назад

Ancient peoples wore theirs a bit longer to avoid the skant's problem of constantly being at risk of flashing people. They also tended to get replaced with trousers over time because bare legs suck for riding a horse and horseback riding as a huge technological leap that nearly everyone took advantage of.

@RedCaio 11 месяцев назад

Ironically the uniforms from TMP looked the most like PJs. And man is it awkward to be able to see the perfect outlines of the ... stuff down there

@jeffkardosjr.3825 10 месяцев назад

V'gers and Decker units.

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

Some of my least favorite uniforms. My favorite ones are the later TOS movie ones (the red ones with the flap) and the late TNG-era ones (with the grey shoulders and colored undershirt) One of them fits into the slightly militaristic (but not too much) tone, the other is reserved and professional.

@thewiirocks 10 месяцев назад

The production values of this video are insane! I especially love how effortless you made the red/gold switch look while discussing the topic. Just know that us fans really appreciate all the time and effort you put into this video!

@john__lemon 11 месяцев назад

Glad youre back a little more often, lately :) Your suave video essays are always good.

@philipguyott3352 11 месяцев назад

Some warrior cultures wear kilts, which are basically skirts for both men and women. However they are longer than a scant

@JeremyLevi 11 месяцев назад

In ancient Minoan culture (Crete) the men all wore skirts that were about the length of the scant while the women wore long dresses that covered their legs (albeit with their breasts completely exposed).

@jw9737 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, im pretty glad that got left in the fever dream category of the early seasons of TNG

@EvanG529 11 месяцев назад

more like a fever nightmare

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

You say that, and yet it essentially remained into Voyager as the standard dress uniform. And Una Chin-Riley looks amazing in her derivative of it 😃 Face facts, my Sibling in Spock, _the skant rocks!_ 🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨

@alejandronopasanada5302 11 месяцев назад

I remember that episode of SNW where Spock jumped on The Kirk brother because he was distracted by crumbs. If I was on the mission at farpoint, I would have been in the funny farm! “Man getcho sausage up out of engineering bro!” I’m out here trying to boldly go while the kids out here trying to boldly show!

@helifanodobezanozi7689 11 месяцев назад

Patrick Stewart rocked a toga in "I Claudius", so yes, the skant would have been no big deal. Also, skants are rock resistant!!! (Was anyone in a skant EVER killed by rocks!?)

@alexandercaldwell1411 11 месяцев назад

Yeoman Leslie Thompson (TOS; "By Any Other Name") was wearing a skant when she was turned INTO a rock and then crushed by Rojan; does that count?

@helifanodobezanozi7689 11 месяцев назад

@@alexandercaldwell1411 No. She wasn't actually turned into a rock, but rather flash dehydrated into a solid. Also, the cause of death was a boot, not a rock.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 a hand, not a boot. RU-vid just happened to recommend me that clip about 15 minutes ago 😂

@helifanodobezanozi7689 10 месяцев назад

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Thanks, you're right about that! Worst.....handjob......ever......... 😆

@joshDammmit 11 месяцев назад

I remember watching this show as a kid, like OG, and thinking nothing of it. If you get bent out of shape by this kinda thing, it says something about the quality of YOUR character

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 10 месяцев назад

I think men should have the same privilege I have to not be looked down upon for choosing skirts and dresses. I don’t choose them because I’m a woman, I choose them because I don’t like fabric constantly brushing against my legs. As much as I’m a girly girl who does enjoy looking feminine, that’s far from being their greatest advantage (and given women’s jeans also tend to look more feminine, I’m sure a skirt or dress designed for a man could look more masculine).

@flyingsky1559 10 месяцев назад

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated No plumber is going to want to have bare legs when kneeling over a toilet.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 10 месяцев назад

@@flyingsky1559 ok? I’m not saying “let’s make trousers illegal”, or failing to acknowledge that in some situations, they are the best clothing choice. Huh, I just realised that Mario style plumber overalls are to dresses what trousers are to skirts…

@idlebaum207 11 месяцев назад

That segue from VPL to the video sponsor is pure gold 😄

@CathrineMacNiel 11 месяцев назад

it was damn smooth.

@Scripture-Man 10 месяцев назад

The clever link makes sponsored segments almost bearable. Almost.

@jamcdani 11 месяцев назад

Is it bad that I always just like a JunkBall video before I watch it? And then I'm sad after I watch it that I can't like it again? I didn't even know I needed a skant-based video. Awesome, as always.

@Lost_n_Found_1 11 месяцев назад

You can like it with as many alt accounts as you can handle, lol.

@bakomusha 11 месяцев назад

For the last year or so I have been liking video compulsively, since RU-vid keeps shorting the time on the little red bar to tell you you've seen a video before. First was forever, then 3 years, now it's down to three weeks for me.

@NuTacLLC 11 месяцев назад

It’s so strange to think that God knew Junkball would be the best Star Trek RU-vid channel when he made the decision to create the universe. It’s probably why he even bothered to create in the first place. Thanks to God and Junkball for being the reason I got to exist.

@DeavTech 11 месяцев назад

Patrick does look damn good in red.

@DarinRWagner 11 месяцев назад

Great! Now can we get a video about the NX-01 ballcaps?

@DogsRNice 11 месяцев назад

How about every time someone wears sunglasses

@DarinRWagner 11 месяцев назад

@@DogsRNice Nice. But the ballcaps were an actual uniform item on ST: ENT. They were inspired by the command ballcaps that Berman and Braga saw on the crew of the USS Houston submarine when they took a tour in prep for developing ENT.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

I thought you were talking about her ample nacelles for a minute there.

@lavahouse29 11 месяцев назад

People in the 1980s: What was Gene Roddenberry even thinking, having men wearing the skant?? People in the 2020s: Gene was ahead of his time, yet again.

@PaperbackWizard 10 месяцев назад

I remember seeing "Encounter at Farpoint" for the first time as a kid. When the guy in the skant walked past the screen, I could tell they were making *some* kind of point with it. I wasn't sure whether I wanted them to keep that uniform around or not.

@EmeralBookwise 10 месяцев назад

@@PaperbackWizard: I was 9, and not only was I very much aware of the point being made, I absolutely wanted to see more of it. I was always rather disappointed the skant never got much prominence and disappeared almost entirely by the second season.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon 10 месяцев назад

No no, it is still ‘what was he thinking?”

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 10 месяцев назад

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon we literally know what he was thinking. A few hundred years ago men wearing clothes that were essentially dresses or skirts was normal, and still is in Scotland, the fact they’ve become gendered in the past is a historical anomaly and there’s no reason to think such an anomaly would last into the 24th century. It’s a perfectly logical thought process 🖖

@Scotdod24 6 месяцев назад

I remember watching the first airing of TNG, not one person said any thing about the skant then. fast forward 30 yrs and certain men loose their shit over it 😅😅😅😅😅😅

@dhunter1133 11 месяцев назад

I've never understood why the Star Trek skirt uniforms were considered pandering by some. The crewmember wore undergarments, tights, and color-coordinated bloomers over the tights, which meant they had more layers and coverage over their bits than those who wore trousers.

@M167A1 11 месяцев назад

It's subjective. There was no obvious story reason for the garment so the assumption is that it's there to make a statement of some kind. This is reinforced because it looks so darn silly.

@dhunter1133 11 месяцев назад

@@M167A1- Well, you're not wrong; it WAS there to make a statement, one of female empowerment. No, seriously; 1964 was the birth of the miniskirt and Trek was born in 1966 and in that era miniskirts were all the fashion rage for "liberated" women. Now, if you mean the TNG skants...I've got nothing. Those were pretty weird, especially given how shapeless they were.

@DawnDavidson 10 месяцев назад

@@dhunter1133absolutely. Mini skirts were IN!

@kaktuskopf3214 11 месяцев назад

ALERT New junkball video

@kelandryyemrot1387 10 месяцев назад

I like the idea of the skant. Kind of wish it had become more of a thing. It feels like things coming full circle? Pants are a relatively new thing. In many civilizations throughout history, men wore what we would probably consider skirt-like or dress-like clothing items. In some cultures, they still do. I think it makes sense that we'd go back to that some time in the future. Yeah, it looks a little silly to us, but that makes it more real to me. I mean... I know what I wore back in the early 2000's. What looked normal then doesn't look so normal now.... Let the men wear skants. Let everyone wear skants. But... maybe name it something else? I don't like how it sounds lmao

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

Greek had togas, Romans had tunics and their legionaries had skirts, Scots had kilts, south asia has the kurta, arabia has the thawb, west afrika has the dashiki. In many cultures, dresses and similar leg-less garments are still popular.

@KingofPotatoPeople 11 месяцев назад

I like to imagine there’s at least one ship where all the crew where skants

@beccangavin 10 месяцев назад

You know, I didn’t like the skants when I watched TNG previously…but looking back they actually look pretty good. They made everyone’s legs look great and they also looked pretty comfy. I bet it was easier to go to the bathroom in those than it was in the full body suits. I just learned the phrase “mono-nip toga” and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to erase that from my memory.

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

Jumpsuits might be the most practical for engineering work, but two part uniforms are more practical in regular day to day work. Why there aren't any job specific uniform variants will always be a mystery. Business casual standard uniform, fancy dress uniform, short sleeved summer uniform, thicker winter uniform, away team equipment vest/jacket, jumpsuit maintenance uniform, raincoats. All obviously following a unified design.

@nicholasrudzwick4046 11 месяцев назад

Just watched 15 minutes of Junkball talking about a Man Dress.... I am not disappointed at all.... Great video Junkball!

@mxg75 11 месяцев назад

I feel like the skant also influenced Star Fleet dress uniforms all the way until the Insurrection redesign. (If it had been up to me, I’d use the officers’ Wrath of Kahn uniforms as dress uniforms. They always seemed overly complex for day-to-day wear.)

@Aerojet01 10 месяцев назад

Perhaps, not many people want to see it.

@hackman669 10 месяцев назад

Yep

@uss_04 11 месяцев назад

I imagine researching this video meant working off Skant information

@762rk95tp 11 месяцев назад

Unironically Alex Beard aka obsessive costuming dude has done all the research about skants. Dude has written a book about it, you can download 130 page pdf from his blog.

@Lost_n_Found_1 11 месяцев назад

@@762rk95tp Way to step on the joke, dude.

@Lost_n_Found_1 11 месяцев назад

lmao

@theodricaethelfrith 10 месяцев назад

There were Troi figures! It took months of searching back in the day but I finally located a couple. She's in her catsuit, however.

@hackman669 10 месяцев назад

Meow! 🐈 OH behave. 😄

@Angie-Way 10 месяцев назад

bless the youtube algorithm gods for putting this in my recommended; the skant is everything to me

@adamkares7549 11 месяцев назад

Nice of you to beam into my Friday evening Junkball, always a pleasure. This was funny, I can only imagine the look on Jon Frake's face when he saw that Space-Man-Geisha costume

@HeresWhyItsCool 11 месяцев назад

Man, you've got so much morphing in this video.... must've taken forever to edit... especially to get Badgey to jump at us like that!!! Nicely done!!!

@guardduvie 10 месяцев назад

First, I love your content. Best Star Trek RU-vid channel by far… I commend you for the smoothest ad Segway I have ever seen. Well done!

@fanOmry 11 месяцев назад

If I were to make a version, it would be a wrap variant were the folds also act as pockets. Like when people use that wrap scarf thing to hold babies. It would combine well with the toga like idea, In an IRL scenario would lent well to cost concerns, add a glue layer for when you are certain you got it propper, and you now can just take it off and on like a shirt. Fast. That can be the everyday version, while the pure wrap is for oflicial events.

@Adam_Boots 10 месяцев назад

I did notice that the male skant in SNW can be worn with pants. In Subspace Rhapsody them Ortegas is hit by the wave a man is walking past her wearing one. If you look closely enough you can see the two vertical stripes on the legs which show that they are the pants and not leggings. Shows that there is a choice as to how to wear them.

@AParadoxLost 11 месяцев назад

There is literally nothing that lifts my spirits after a hard week like a new JunkBall video!

@Mikeb-NH 10 месяцев назад

Imagine Worf fighting Duras in a skant. “He has claimed the right of vengeance…and the right to look fabulous”.

@The_Kiosk 11 месяцев назад

Man, we're digging deep in the dust bin. I grew up in the 80s, failed The Kobayashi Alternative on C64, and was able to borrow a book from the local public library that had costume patterns in them. The era would have been star trek 4 but the library had a lot of older stuff. The mention of Kirk as a Commodore and the designer of the uniforms were mentioned in the uniform pattern book, which mostly covered ST:TMP. Bro you just gave me a major flashback to a better time.

@ZontarDow 11 месяцев назад

It's like the fact that the Enterprise D had dolphins on the crew which included a dedicated living area and work area for them that's still in the technical readouts: one of those quirks of the 1980s that's charming specifically because it never really took off.

@nancys8581 10 месяцев назад

Yea I'm really disappointed in the lack of dolphin hires in the space force.

@TeddyBear97201 11 месяцев назад

Nice to see you back! A couple things though... First, Picard did wear a skant in at least one episode, he was greeting someone arriving in the transporter. I believe it was Troi's mom(?). Second, in one of the original series manuals detailing ship specs and all that, there was a mention that the skant was actually supposed to be a dress uniform (before it was dropped pretty much entirely). I wish you would've at least mentioned that second part.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

That was him in the dress uniform, so there were trousers under that skant.

@leehudson8202 10 месяцев назад

NAILED IT! My thoughts exactly!

@king_kurt_2000 11 месяцев назад

I'm a simple man, when i see a Junkball transmission, i klick like.

@cdrocrossdiscovery 11 месяцев назад

Doctor Pulaski wore a skant, combined with pants, as part of her standard duty uniform.

@while.coyote 10 месяцев назад

Picard randomly in a scant for an episode would have been so freaking bad ass, especially if they didn't mention anything about it and just had it there without comment.

@bastonneknight9478 11 месяцев назад

The design that went into the original costumes was quite impressive. I've seen a few outfits and seeing the patterns for the original series female uniforms was enough for me to nope out of that project 😂. Medieval tunics and tabards are far easier to make.

@EpicAdrian3D 11 месяцев назад

Smoothest Sponsor message transition ever. Didn't see it coming

@NicholsonStudios 10 месяцев назад

that was fun, nice work! the SNW Skant is really nice actually

@sasshole8121 10 месяцев назад

The scant actually gives a Roman soldier feel to the uniform. And hey, if it's masculine enough for Zapp Brannigan . . .

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

A real man can wear a dress without having his masculinity hurt. And a real woman can wear a dress without being reduced to her femininity. It all comes down to how you wear it.

@MattSidor 11 месяцев назад

I love how you always find a way to talk about the ROCKS!

@RebeccaLoran 10 месяцев назад

4:15 *clap* This has to be the absolutely smoothest transition I've ever seen. Bravo!

@MatthewCaunsfield 11 месяцев назад

A great analysis of this oft overlooked garment! BTW, were your end credits always so dramatic?

@RexRye 11 месяцев назад

You went above and beyond with the edits for this one Junkball, I was very impressed with your work on this vid.

@JunkBallMedia 11 месяцев назад

My pleasure. I had a blast making them. Glad you enjoyed the video.

@Maniac536 10 месяцев назад

No joke I asked Sirtis about this. They were referred to as Cheerleader Uniforms by the cast.

@HansBelphegor 10 месяцев назад

Until yt recommended me this, id have never thought about the scant, and i got a deep dive into childhood memories 10/10 would watch 15 more minutes of scant lore

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

Always great to see another Junkball video, and Rebecca Romijn _really_ rocks her skant, I’m so glad she fought for that ✊

@oXogon80 11 месяцев назад

I know you from the USS Pedant 🤗

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@oXogon80 woo, best ship in the fleet with a bald captain! 🖖

@billkendrick1 11 месяцев назад

DID YOU SAY "ROCKS"!? 😮

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад

@@billkendrick1 I wondered if anyone would catch that 🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨

@HappyBeezerStudios 10 месяцев назад

Rebecca Romijn really shows that a strong female character can be strong and feminine at the same time. And not just a character with classic masculine strengths plus boobs. And it also looks really good.

@ablaze1989 11 месяцев назад

I believe the best thing to ever happen to Star Trek was Roddenberry being removed from control of the franchise. the initial idea of a hope-filled future where technology solves most of our issues and things like sexism/racism are mostly gone is a fantastic idea, but the dude had lots of other weird ideas and quirks that kind of just dragged the show down a few notches. this lines up with the Rikers beard timeline too when his influence was relegated to the showrunner keeping his ideals in mind when they made the show. thats when the show went from a solid 6-7 to a 9-9.5 in my opinion.

@DoktorRotwang 10 месяцев назад

He did, and I agree. Roddenberry was in that class of creative genius that had to be tempered down somewhere near reality. For TNG, he wanted Troi to be a three-breasted hermorphodite but the other production people talked him out of it.

@DoktorRotwang 10 месяцев назад

@Paul-nj5xh Quark agrees with you.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon 10 месяцев назад

It’s insidious, isn’t it…

@jeffkardosjr.3825 10 месяцев назад

@Paul-nj5xhSo we're not like the Andorians?

@MLBlue30 10 месяцев назад

@@Beuwen_The_DragonRoot Beer? It's vile!

@theothersparrow 10 месяцев назад

The background cast that agreed/opted to wear the minidress show boldness worthy of immortalization in Klingon song.

@Hailey_Halcyon 11 месяцев назад

the over engineered zipper system was likely designed to prevent messing up makeup. a lot of the various series uniforms are put together in this way. look back at hires views of Kirk and spocks uniform you can sometimes see the zipper or pins holding the uniform together at the shoulders and neck and shoulder lines.

@JunkBallMedia 11 месяцев назад

Interesting. I never considered that.

@DrWhom 10 месяцев назад

Also think of how it rips in the tos episode where no man has gone before

@RyanLeCocq 10 месяцев назад

The aggressive progressivism and futurism of Gene Roddenberry stories are my favorite Trek stories. Like they're doing an episode, call him about some random point and he's all "Man dresses, I want man dresses. And a planet of androgenous people." "Gene it's 1988, man." "Fine, do the dresses, make the andro aliens ambiguous." CLICK

@Lost_n_Found_1 11 месяцев назад

My friend and I used to laugh endlessly when these skants popped up on the men in TNG. We were young and didn't know any better, so we just called them dresses. Now that I'm old and know better... they're still hilarious. Awesome work man, I really love the work you do here.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, it’s still goofy looking, always was.

@himynameisben95 10 месяцев назад

Just wanna say i love your videos man. They're exactly the mix of informational and silly that appeals to me. This is a truly special channel with a real unique identity.

@jessmac1893 10 месяцев назад

The skant in SNW is awesome. And the use of tights looks great while adding prqcticability

@AbsurdShark 11 месяцев назад

Fashion: the final frontier. These are the garments of Starfleet. Their mission: to boldly blend the styles of skirts and pants; to explore new statements in intergalactic fashion; to boldly go where no uniform has gone before!

@NeilBlumengarten 11 месяцев назад

As an 8 year old in 1987, I never gave much thought to the skant. Now, 35+ years later society is finally catching up!

@MrAranton 10 месяцев назад

I think I was twelve or thirteen when STTNG first aired where I live. My first thought when I saw the skant was: "Are they going to wear that on away missions into rough terrain? Those legs are gonna get scraped up pretty badly." I also wouldn't want to think about what crawling through a Jeffrey's tube would do to the knees of skant-wearers. There are many situations Starfleet personnel wouldn't want to face bare-legged, which makes the skant a uniform they need to change out of in order to fulfill parts of their duties, which would make unpractical. Granted, how often any pariticular crew-member would have to change out of a skant would depend on their exact work, but the skant would remain a uniform variant for certain occasions, not standard wear.

@NeilBlumengarten 10 месяцев назад

@@MrAranton Good points! We see them a lot in engineering, not a place you'd think they'd be conducive to the type of work they do. Well, the Jefferies tubes, at least. Many seem to just stand around to push buttons. On a larger scale, I've long thought the standard uniform isn't the greatest for away missions. I appreciate the coat in Star Trek II and the tactical vests in Discovery/SNW for that reason.

@EmeralBookwise 10 месяцев назад

I was exactly 9 when TNG premiered, and seeing men in skants is among my most vivid memories watching it. I just loved the idea of a future where all the silly gendered stereotypes had been abolished.