Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Killed Canon (And That's Okay) 

😕🤨Wut?!?!😂😂😂😂 The video just started, hopefully it's a joke I'll get later 😂😂

The Star Trek universe works on the idea that everything that happened in the past has already happened. People saying things means nothing. Any records that have incorrect dates are because most records were corrupted or lost in WW3. The timeline in all of the shows is and has always been the same timeline with the exception of when they have gone to alternate realities. When they return to the present it is always the same present that they left.

That was a genuinely funny line.

@@RandomNPC001 Good thing they didn't tap into the Barbie universe then.

​@@SnarkNSass that's a line from "tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow"

This is the new canonical answer!

Hahahaha NICE

It can't all be canon. It either fits or it doesn't.

I still think we could have colonized the solar system and beyond "without World War 3". I know this is weak.

That's the beauty of this explanation; even when it doesn't fit, it still fits. :)

"We're not going back!"

That’s a fundamental change I have serious problems with because of the showrunners literally saying that the Gorn are evil. The entire point of that original Gorn episode Arena was to illustrate that no species is evil, just misunderstood or operating from a different moral perspective. That’s THE essence of Star Trek and dumbing the Gorn down to xenomorph knock offs kind of taints the spirit in which they were meant to be depicted. Visually I have no problem with their redesign but conceptually it bothers me.

@@langleymneely 100% agree about the SNW Gorn ruining the very Star Trek theme of "Arena." I would like the new Gorn much better if they had been a new species of alien life, and not "the" Gorn.

At least it wasn't a rubber Gorn this time!

@@jp6869 I honestly prefer the rubber suit over the design and CGI of the new Gorn. I'm sure a practical Gorn (with CG enhancements) could be made today that would be superior to both the OG and the new Gorn.

Well said!

You gave up on timelines because ST world today is so broken there is no point to explaining anything anymore. It is just one big mess. The plotholes of past were worth exploring and explaining because they were just holes. But today state is just one pille of junk not worth even watching.

@@prolamer7Okay then, stop wasting your time watching. The rest of us will find our personal joy in the whole of Star Trek, wherever it may be. Live long and prosper 🖖.

@@kellybowe354 I already stopped watching new serries. Do you want to take my free speach away, to silence me? Because you have no arguments? The new stuff just is not Star Trek. It lacks everything old one had.

@@prolamer7 You are absolutely welcome to your free speech, your opinion and your defensive attitude. Have fun. I feel secure in acknowledging that some of the population is enjoying the ride rather than judging. Cheers!

Timeline Preservation Division: "And we thought Janeway was trouble......"

If they would have not messed with it in the 1st place starting in 2009, everything might be still great, and we wouldn’t be talking about it right now.

@@ChrisS-no3ft "still be great" 🤦🏻‍♂️ You aren't getting "that feeling I had when I was younger" anymore because........ you are not young anymore.

The timeline is like a stream. Throw a boulder into it and it will block the flow and divert it in another direction. Throw a few pebbles in and it will cause some ripples, but the stream will keep flowing in the same direction.

*Mark Twain has entered the chat* Nyahah-hah!

I've embraced the malleability of history and time in Star Trek.

I'm pretty sure Star Trek's timeline is butterfly-resistant too. You have to try, or seriously screw up, to make major changes.

This happens in STO in one mission. You stop an assassination attempt only for Captain Walker to show up after the fact saying something about a temporal shift. Your response is something along the lines of "Yeah. We took care of it."

Yeah..i realy like that point of view....it actualy fix and clear all controversyes

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Parallels

ENT's cold war couldn't retcon the Prime timeline. The Prime timeline didn't exist until JJ created the idea of it in 2009. Keep in mind, JJ took something that at the time he was unable to use... Spock. Specifically Lenard Nimoy's Spock. All the marketing around his character referred to him as Prime Spock which is an important marketing distinction for legal reasons. The idea of the Prime Timeline with no explanation, save for Nimoy's involvement did not state that Prime covered the shows of TOS to ENT... As JJ sneakily admitted through his script... "Oh... I... Implied..." When Prime was created, it was in reference to a timeline and continuity that had never been committed to screen leaving the audience to pull from what they knew. And what they knew was Classic Trek that filled in the gaps JJ left with his light of hand that allowed him to do no work in telling the audience what Prime was.

Came to say this

Thanks for reminding me why I can't stand Doctor Who.

timetravel opens up so many creative weirdnesses

so lazy writing?

Long before {sic} The Doctor said that, Douglas Adams wrote that reality is a "whole sort of general mish-mash" which punier creatures use "perception filters" to observe; creatures without such perception filters, being depicted as timeless & terrifying endgame monsters.

And I am fine with it. If it means that we see more touch screens and zippers in their uniforms, then its a plus in my books. And them having more media in the future.

Enterprise isn't even the breakup - the breakup is Movie 8, on which Enterprise is based on.

@@acmenipponair If you mean the borg guys found at the north pole...theres some indication thats a predestined temporal event. "Broken Bow" absolutely isnt. It in no way resmebles first contact with the Klingons as described by Picard

It' can't actually, but you're really good at fellating corporate entities.

So anything after First Contact (ignoring Kelvin) is a second Prime Timeline? Ie ENT, Disco and SNW?

@@dustojnikhummer Very much so. And the writers even confirmed it in SNW when they put in the line about how temporal agents (and thus, one can easily assume, the temporal cold war) have altered the order of events.

@@dustojnikhummer Very much so. And the writers even confirmed it in SNW when they put in the line about how temporal agents (and thus, one can easily assume, the temporal cold war) have altered the order of events.

@@replimatreviews honestly i like to think that after the xindi war and mining colony incident the temporal agents switched from fixing to timeline to putting bandaids on it to try and mitigate the damage done because of how irreversibly fucked it got

Don't forget about the Star Trek: First Contact Borg that were woken up from the ice in Star Trek: Enterprise. That too would mean the TNG timeline lines up to ENT's. Especially because the Enterprise-E could return to its future. And that kind of can't be a different timeline either, because we saw an assimilated Earth before Picard and co. did their thing in the past. (It's headache inducing.) And then we've got the Enterprise novels, which present different dates than ENT's finale and makes the death of a character a scheme to go undercover because of the upcoming Earth-Romulan War. And that information is found by Sisko's kid after DS9! (I do know that the novels aren't seen as hard canon, but still.)

Thanks Seven! Lol

I've always believed that every series takes place in its own timeline.

"we didn't make a mistake......uhm.......multiple timelines!" is a real Endgame-level excuse.

Not just each show; due to conceptual differences between the writers of one episode to the next, there are enough flagrant flip-flops in attitude, established tech, & clerical data, to warrant the assumption that we were shown _at least_ two Kirks captaining on TOS, three or four Picard TNGs, etc. The downside is that people who hate time travel stories may never feel that anything matters, in such a case (any realities being replaceable drops in a bucket); however, the upside is that any narrative inconsistencies a series exhibits, can be set aside with "canonically, multiple parallel timelines are happening, & sometimes our change of view is not revealed until later: therefore, maybe that flaw in this episode will be retconned into making sense, by a future episode of this or another Trek series". Trek's parallel timelines bump & rub so much they reproduce season by season.

I prefer the theory that all of Star Trek, from ToS to DS9, is just a bunch of Starfleet propoganda intended to romanticize space exploration and downlplay the dangers of it. That, I think, extends to what we see of the "history" of earth in particular, and the vulcans' history also, to a lesser extent. This covering up of the real history keeps most humans from asking too many questions about their own past, some of which might be very uncomfortable for Starfleet and the government of earth to answer. The only series that is less made-up, because it'd be too hard to hide most of the events, is DS9, except that the dominion war is almost all just pure fiction, as far as tactics and overall strategy goes, as no warfighting force can make that many terrible decisions and still win the war.

God I hope we get to Mars next decade

@@OrangeRiver I'll be happy if we make it back to the moon by the end of the decade, at this rate.

Yep. I think they'll meet that deadline, but they're most definitely gonna take their time. As they should, but we should have already been back anyway

I remember saying that about "the third Chinese moon mission", when I was 12. Nowadays in my own sci-f back story, World War 3 just ended right now. ！歳蛮！歳蛮！歳蛮

@@NextWorldVR Saying that the Star Trek universe has NOTHING to do with our actual universe is one of the silliest comments I've heard of, in many years regarding Star Trek. There are numerous people, images, references and callbacks to real world events, from TOS all the way up to SNW. The differences (as well as a the commonalities) are precisely the subject of conversation in the video.

Star Trek is fiction. Period.Fiction is dated after awhile. Alternate timelines in ST or any other franchise are fine with me. Its all good.

You remind of a fifth season episode of Doctor Who when the 11th Doctor discovers that his companion, Amy, has no memory of the Earth being stolen along with 25 other worlds. Turned it had something to do with current storyline.

@@sabrewolf4129 You aren't responding to anything I wrote. You're only continuing to make unsupported claims.

Yea, people don't fully understand that its fiction, except for you. What an intelligent comment, we all definitely needed to hear that. Who cares about logical consistency when it comes to fiction, that doesn't matter even in the slightest. What really matters is fanboying for a dead franchise that being picked apart by vulturous corporate entities for a quick profit. We're so lucky to have someone as smart as you to inform the rest of us utter morons, who can't even figure out that fiction isn't real...🖕🖕

Choke on your cough. I am star trek

@@dickhardpicard I seem to have hit a nerve. How sad for you...

@@peterschlange1832 just for you ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KL3WbzUAEok.html&feature=share8

​​@@peterschlange1832limpicard, that's the problem. I've heard season 3 finely got the show off the ground though. They took control from baldy.

@@deker0954 the end of picard was decent.I suppose, didn't start that way though

Thanks Alnarra! I didn't edit most of this video, but I like to think I do pretty well on the projects I do edit lol. I do have that degree...XD

@@OrangeRiver It certainly shows, a lot of little framing things in the shots and the cuts are well done :D Keep up the good work

Modern paradigms? Quit sniffing glue. The Trek being produced in Discovery and here with SNW will age faster than anything produced in the 90"s. The talent that is writing STD and SNW is so watered down that I get way more value in Sisko's struggle with racial inequality in one episode of DS9 than both of STD and SNW combined. The character development in these newer shows is.... Ah nevermind. It's like talking to a brick wall.

@@jasonvoorhees8545 Indeed- TOS holds up decently apart from production values, though it a little reflects the sort of mildly post-liberal democratic technocratic ideals of its era. We'll be back to those soon enough. TNG mostly holds up with the same caveat on production values for the early seasons, with few episodes that really reflect specifically 80s concerns. Though the complete inversion of how people interpret "Code of Honor" is funny. It went from a jumble of 80s postcolonial Afrocentrist tropes to being a racist parody. A rare such misstep. 90s Trek holds up just fine. Even Enterprise does. Modern Trek has Starfleet officers talking to one another like petulant Valley girls or whining about their feelings. People like that didn't get through any Academy.

All previous Trek was product of its eras, but none went so far as to have characters act and talk to one another exactly like the silliest of contemporary humans. Writers usually strove for some kind of paradigm that at least suggested the combination of human continuity and different cultural eras creating different patterns. TOS was at its worst when it tried to incorporate period tropes like hippies. Later series did not really have characters acting like 80s or 90s people in any explicit ways.

Thanks a bunch!

The idea that the timeline is altered is the best route they could've gone. This way TOS can remain its own thing and Discovery officially hasn't infected anything. The Discoverse is in its own universe, similar to the Kelvin timeline.

Separate timelines is just an excuse for the writers to do what they want. Yes, a lot of canon in TOS was written in the 1960's and events that happened in 1996 (Khan) must be overlooked, since we are clearly in 2023. But, canon is a big part of what made Star Trek great. It treated the world of Trek and its characters as if they were real. If there was time travel in TOS it didn't really change anything. Today's writers are not real fans of the Star Trek world and I honestly believe they are too lazy to do the proper research and don't care if they rewrite canon because it is so much easier for them to change things to suit their needs for getting a script into production.

​@@dexterfurman9118the crux.

had a similar reaction to his "more robust WD-40" comment" 🤣

Thank you!

Don't feel bad. I've never been a huge fan of Doctor Who, so my episode-by-episode viewing hasn't caught up with the new series (plural) of that yet, either. ;D

Singh & Soong are just microns apart, too: The Daystrom Institute seems to be caught up in Section-31 / Control shenanigans, as well.

Lol... Oh man.. I didn't suspect that.

@@od1452 What's worse is that it's not likely the only example of this, nor is it likely limited to the fictional Trek history.

@@prophetzarquon1922 The interesting part is, that in the TOS timeline Dayström only tested the first AI driven computer in 2267 on the Enterprise, while in Discovery they had to fight against an omnipresent AI already in 2259.

​@@acmenipponairwhich is another example of slipshod writing when someone can make up what they want. TOS being the source material is the easiest history to keep up with.

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Thank you!!

​@@OrangeRiver He is SMART.

Thank you so much!

Option 2 feels like "Everything is canon for that specific series' timeline as long as it isn't directly contradicted by something in that series"

The Powers that Be could care less about "Timelines". What makes them money is all they really care about.

I look at it more that the prime timeline is a little more malleable than previously thought. We already know some time travel events result in entire new timelines, while others seemingly don't affect it. Even in SNW, the fact that Laan couldn't return to her timeline until it was restored, is evidence of this. It's almost as if the universe course corrects itself to protect future events in the timeline itself. So it's still the prime timeline, and it's following the example set during the Berman era.

Old Ben Kenobi would be proud!

Or multiverse, timeline just cross over at points, some timeline changes are temporary, some are permenant, for example the timeline we see in All Good Things, that's one timeline on how things WOULD have played out if the temporal anomaly wasn't dealt with, if the ENterprise -D wasn't half destroyed in Generations, but because of Q Picard manages to fix the issue but erases that timeline, but he still remembers his jumps, in that timeline the ENterprise-E still arrived fromt he future and helped Cochrane launch his ship. However there's still some quantum bullshit that occurs resulting in multiple timelines like Nero's ship the Narada going back in time creating the Kelvin Timeline. I see it as that the changes we saw with Kahn in the timeline we see in this episode of SNW was erased from happening, the only one who knew it did was La'ahn with having her memories.

Which would make a specific persons birth occur at a different time? That makes no sense on so many levels. It would have to mean that his entire genetic line has shifted half a century in time. Just admit that the writers are lazy

@@Jim-pq9pm Why does everyone speak English in the Stargate franchise? Why did R2 run away when it did leading Luke to meet Obi Won and preventing Luke from being killed when the Empire attacked the farm? How, out of the trillions on the galaxy did Luke run into an old friend in the rebellion? What about the causality violating effects of FTL travel? At a certain point one must just accept absurdities in fiction, otherwise there would be no story.

@@clwho4652 You're listing minor coincidences that could be chalked up to clunky writing. I'm talking about blatant logical inconsistencies. Fiction doesn't mean no logic. I'm not familiar with Stargate, if there's no explanation for everyone speaking English, like Galactic Basic in Star Wars, then I would say that's a logical inconsistency. Shifting a mans entire genetic line by over half a century because you want to nostalgia mine Kahn for the umpteenth time is just lazy and uninspired

@@Jim-pq9pm I agree about the Kahn thing. It is just pandering. They could have easily just have easily just retconed the date, said Spock made a mistake, or added a third party trying to make history happen a certain way. If you look at any media that has been around a long time like Star Trek, you will find plot holes, inconsistencies, contrived coincidences and crap that just doesn't make sense (given what they've been shown to be able to do with the transporters, death should not be a thing in Star Trek). Star Gate took place when the shows were airing (1997 - 2010), the Air Force figured out how to use an alien transportation device called a star gate to travel to other worlds. With a few exceptions, everyone speaks English. There are no universe translators, people just speak English. It is a really good series you should watch it.

Haha good deal! Lol

Honestly, that's a really good point about Yesterday's Enterprise. I've thought about that before.

Also: We don't see Sela plotting stuff before Yesterday's Enterprise. So it's most likely, that the timeline got changed. It's by the way not really the fault of Tasha Yar - she thought that she would have died anyway, it was most unlikely that some of the Enterprise C crew would survive. By the way, interestingly Tasha Yar couldn't have told them about the Borg. Because most likely the Enterprise in the alternative timeline was never send to the Borg Cube by Q - and the fact, that Picard didn't even expected Q to have tampered with the timeline means that the Enterprise most likely never met Q in that universe.

Thank you so much!

Lmfao

like Pike asking why they always materialize in an alley when his party beams down to Kiley 279?

Thank you!

I agree, since in the Star Trek world there probably wasn't a show called Star Trek depicting the "real" future. Personally, I think a hand wave is the best way to keep the show fresh and fitting with the contemporary world. Our modern history already surpasses TOS and even TNG personal computers, the internet, and our usage of tablets, phones and our development of text to speech software, just as 1 example, have informed some of the changes in the modern show. Nobody in TNG swiped their padd with their finger the way they do in SNW. One little detail that was missed in the video was that Data referenced the reunification of Ireland as happening in 2024. I know we're not quite there yet, but I really doubt that's something that's going to happen next year. That reference was actually removed from the UK airing of the episode ("The High Ground") to avoid offending folk. Honestly, I think you just have to roll with it. My personal opinion is that it's not an alternate timeline, but an altered one. Every time travel episode of pretty much any franchise warns of stepping on butterflies, and I doubt it would be possible to time travel without doing it. If a new timeline is created when that happens, as in the MCU, then there would be no need for temporal accords or temporal investigations, since the new timeline would pop into existence without affecting the timeline the travellers came from. In that view of time travel, you could never get back to the timeline you left, because you'd return to the new timeline you created. The "prime" universe would always be safe, so no need to ban time travel. However, if that were true, then the history of the prime universe would record the destruction of the Enterprise D with all hands lost when it collided with the Bozeman. Kirk and his landing party would have blipped out of existence as soon as they entered the Guardian of Forever, never to be heard of again. Now I'm getting a temporal headache. My bottom line, I want modern Trek to be exciting, new, and able to tell whatever stories it wants to, without having to worry about what Unnamed Ensign #3 said in the 1960s, back when Star Trek wasn't a major franchise, but was a silly little space show that would soon be cancelled and moved on from. They weren't planning then for how this would lead to SNW or any of the rest of it. At the very worst, if some people can't watch the show anymore because of the changes, the "original" timeline is still there, on bluray, on streaming services, and unlike Doctor Who we have every episode, and presumably always will. Personally, I want to push on and have bold new adventures and not be beholden to canon. Time travel can be a handy plot device.

SNW is prime timeline and always has been.

anytime there is time travel and multiple timeline shenanigans, all bets are off lol

@@aaronmonse3643 no.

@lucasbachmann Didn't know you were part of Strange New Worlds' creative staff!

There's definitely several concurrent Picards, at this point. Not only are there separate timelines, but they keep influencing each other, too.

That's all a good excuse or reason or how ever ya wanna put it. Doesn't excuse or justify or even VALIDATE the writers who just don't care, who flagrantly believe their one story, one episode, one franchise, one series, is MORE important than the whole realm. Eventually it will be unreconsiable and ONLY each story it's own timeline-universe-reality. And no "World Building" can be relied upon, due to those writers who fail to do their job and know the content their writing about.

@@carolhenry7495 I agree, sort of. When the continuation of an old story doesn't hold up, it's painful for anyone who can appreciate the original; when it _does_ hold up & serves to extend & enhance the old story, it's marvellous... I see new Trek shows doing a _great_ job of revisiting old stories, but falling flat when they step _outside_ the existing canon; especially when the "new" things introduced are shoehorned in, it can feel like the elaborate setting the writer has been given, has been ignored in order to focus on _their_ story. Selfish, and lazy. When they make callbacks, I love it. When they break new ground, I'm usually entranced. When they overwrite for the sake of blatant patronizing, I feel insulted.

Great questions! TAS is technically "canon," but to be perfectly honest, I'm not comfortable reconciling certain aspects of it with the rest of the shows. I think at best it's a whimsical interpretation of events that might have occurred during Kirk's five-year mission. As for your second question, absolutely XD

Haha thanks!

Glad you enjoyed the video! It does seem like they're kind of picking and choosing what changes to make. "Oh no, we can't have the Eugenics Wars happen in the 90s." "A manned mission to Europa in 2024? Yes sir!"

First Contact is referred to by Seven of Nine a time loop, which I guess does serve as more connective tissue between TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise...my head hurts...

@@OrangeRiver Yep it's a bit mind bending. It sort of turns Star Trek into a Marvel-esque multiverse though, which is cool. Imagine a multi-Kirk movie, with Shatner while he's still around, the new fella and Chris Pine...

Thank you!

I know, we're so stupid to expect logical consistency in a set of stories. How foolish of us...🖕

@@Jim-pq9pm Listen Jim, I made this comment 7 months ago and I'd forgotten that I'd made it I don't know why my opinion made you feel so angry, but I'd ask that you look inwards and maybe discover why you felt it neccessary to get so aggressive about it, because I'm pretty sure that your angry comment not only made your day worse (because you had to think about it for slightly more time as you typed it out) but also mine. In fact, what I said is a perfectly normal opinion to have if you happen to think about media in a slightly different way than you do. In fact, we've never met each other, and we probably don't even live in the same country, and yet you have used the unlimited powers available to you over the internet to reach through the barriers dividing us and make my day worse Imagine your best friend had said this... Imagine you'd just met me at a party, you'd discovered that I like Star Trek too, and we'd got to talking about this topic. Would you have got so angry then? No. In fact, if you'd asked me to elaborate, I would've probably said something like "yes, I would definitely prefer it if the writers paid more attention to this stuff, but on the whole, I find endless speculation about how everything fits into the greater narrative to be boring and tiresome" so in that sense we don't even disagree But you didn't. You made me open up my notifications and read a couple sentences of someone being very rude to me about a comment I don't even remember making. So I thought I'd just type this out and maybe you'll read this and pay a bit more attention to the way you use your words in the future

Thank you!

Not every show.

I wish I lived in an alternative universe to the one that brain dead consumers make excuses for nice things being ruined

There is one show - Star Trek. Every new series is just further steps down the timeline.

Thank you! I worried so much that some people wouldn't be able to follow, and certainly that's been the case, but I'm glad plenty more people enjoyed the video! I blame the writers smh

Aww, thank you!

I cannot speak for everyone, but for some of us (myself being one case) the fictional universe itself becomes as important as the characters and the stories. We find great interest in putting the puzzle pieces together, seeing how all the events tie into each other and build on things from previous iterations. In short for those of us who are really into the worldbuilding side of a fictional universe changing canon can be similar to if your favourite character just started acting completely differently at a certain point, or lacked consistency at all.

@@neodigremo Oh i completely understand that! I'm very invested in the lore of trek and of course I prefer when everything lines up perfectly but I also have the critical thinking capacity to see that with a universe this expansive, in a franchise that's been running for so long, it just isn't feasible to expect no mistakes, retcons or plotholes. As I say, I think the responsibility rest on the viewer and their imagination to fill in the blanks, rather than on the storyteller to shoehorn their story into strict canon rules.

@@bananahbabe2998 Plot holes will of course happen, as well as mistakes. I am very much not a fan of retcons as.... easiest way I can say is that investment in NEW stories in the setting can be harder for me if the canon established in the setting previously is deliberately ignored or changed. IT's the same reason I dropped out of comics. Massive cosmic retcons looming to render the story I am reading non-canon one day saps my investment. It's similar to struggling to get the emotion to care about a character relationship when we know they are going to break up soon. It is always on a scale of course. A characters birthday being changed is inconsequential usually but then again there is no NEED to get it wrong so it irritates me a little. Changes due to new special effects and what not.... well it is not significant to the story or canon of events so whatever. I may not like the new look (such as the new changeling morph effects from Picard) but that is a separate thing. Personally I think a storyteller who enters a franchise owes it to the audience to get things as accurate as possible. They will miss some things of course. Throwaway lines from ages past will be forgotten until a nitpicky nerd like me comes along to question it. But to me if we can ignore the canon of the past, or worse handwave it away with a retcon, then it is disrespectful to the franchise and the story itself.

Trials and Tribble-lations counters that.

@Knightfall182 Eh, "Trials and Tribble-ations" strikes me as one of those instances where they subtly changed the past by traveling back to it. Much like "Past Tense."

The point was that DS9 takes place in the same reality as TOS, because they literally travelled into a TOS episode@@OrangeRiver

@@Knightfall182 Not EXACTLY the same - there are new sound effects on the Bridge and sections of the corridor are of a different design when compared to the original footage. So it could be a close parallel universe, but not necessarily the same one as TOS

@@MatthewCaunsfield Or more simply the bridge and corridors have multiple different sound effects.

I make that mistake several times a week

Thank you!

I agree that both the Pelia and Ortegas characters do need to be fleshed out more, and I believe that will happen in either the 3rd or 4th season. My issue with Carol Kain's Pelia character is that the accent she uses is pretty much the same that she used as Simka Dahblitz-Gravas in Taxi, the character of the Ghost Of Christmas Present in Scrooged, and Granny in Addams Family Values. I'd even go as far as to say most of her characters have a very similar accent.

So, my two cents about emotional conflict violating Roddenberry's vision. 1) That was more so a 24th century "rule," as there was plenty of interpersonal banter in TOS that no one batted an eye at. Humans in the 23rd century are still enlightened compared to today, but they're rougher around the edges than their 24th century counterparts. 2) When the TNG writers started to do away with some of Roddenberry's "rules," the quality of writing on that show improved dramatically IMO lol

@@OrangeRiverthoughtful observations

Pelia was a downgrade from Hemmer, TBH. Loved Hemmer in the something-Kingdom and hoped to get more of him….

Roddenberry would have run ST to the ground if everything had to follow his "vision". People need to let it go and allow them to adapt it and reinterpret it to a modern audience and world. Yes, it'll be poor sometimes as we've seen, but at least it won't be a regurgitation of TOS.

I don't really like them because it makes the universe more plastic and artificial, when it should always strive to be less so.

The ship SS Tsiolkovsky was launched from the USSR according to its dedication plaque (which I'm sure was not visible in the episode, this is from Memory Alpha)

@@OrangeRiver Ah, thanks. I'll take a closer look at the scenes that the plaque is visible. See what I can see.

Aww, thank you!

💯 Exactly this

While the Gorn don't sit well with me*, I agree with the overall spirit of your comment. * My issue is philosophical, not canonical. "Sometimes a monster is just a monster" is just so anti-Star Trek. I am choosing to have faith that we are actually getting a "Devil in the Dark" type story in a much bigger and longer form. Fingers crossed.

@@singularrookhart7501I kinda think thats what they might be going for in some form. In the SNW S2 Finale, there were a few points where we were starting to see more than Gorn Xenomorphs and how it may of instilled some questions into the crew. the scene with the gorn in the shuttle comes to mind. it didnt mindlessly kill them. there was a standoff, stare down and then it left. then the Gorn Adult on the wreckage in suit. showing more tech and stuff then just Murdering Eating and Mating Creatures. for me at least, the Gorn, while shown of very horror est, had that level of Unknown and by the end, while still unknown there was a hint of, just maybe in the future their might be a way they can work things out with them.

Thank you so much!

Glad you enjoyed the video! Just out of curiosity, where did the confusion arise, and how did the editing contribute to it?

@@OrangeRiver I thought it was around the 15 minute mark, but I just went through it again and didn't get the same feeling. Might of just been tired since it was 1am. However, the jumping between post edit and pre-edit captures was a little disorienting at first. I think I like it overall, but it's so different from your normal style I just wasn't ready for it. Maybe just give people a heads up when your going to crank up the jump-cuts (unless this is the new style going forward). You covered A LOT of complicated continuity and lore and kept it loose and interesting the whole way through. Not an easy feat, just felt a bit overwhelming at moments with the sudden cuts. Take my criticism though with a grain of salt since it was pretty late when I watched this the first time.

Sorry mate I still have no idea what you're talking about, but don't worry about it!

Solid take!

Thank you Mark!!

It's timey wimey

​@@kingrainbow5432I _think_ you'll find it's, first and foremost, wibbly wobbly

I do like this idea, and its what I conform to as well. The book series Star Trek: department of temporal investigations strikes a nice balance between both the theory of different quantum realities and the principles in time travel as we've come to know them in various tv shows. Namely, while there are branching universes, any timeline deviation that is too similar to the timeline it deviated from will converge with that timeline and overwrite all of its information. Meaning presumably that every time voyager crewmembers changed the past, the changed timeline did indeed overwrite and replace the original timeline. The same principles goes for the effects of the temporal cold war.

@@Tao_Tology you're taking me back to Wholockianism

@@kingrainbow5432 The finest of isms.

We take those!

@@OrangeRiver also a great video! I love timeline shenanigans! 😘

Thanks Jamie!

@OrangeRiver you are very welcome Tyler 🙏 thank you for your message 😊

Apollo was so far ahead of it's time that we had to catch up. We had no business going to the Moon when we did. I am not complaining, it kicked off the semiconductor revolution and Silicon Valley, but it was selectively pulling forward human advancement. Take a look at the videos where the guys rebuild old Apollo communication hardware and compare what was done vs what can be done with a few cell phones and access points and a big enough antenna.

It was even part of the original plan/timeline of NASA. But as Rick correctly said, because the Vietnam war was eating up more and more money, the space program was heavily cut back when Nixon came into office. Not because Nixon had something against space, but the congress, DEM dominated, didn't wanted to give him the funding anymore for the program.

@@Steven_Edwards Also the priorities of NASA changed. When the race was over, they focussed much more on low risk missions. Especially as they became much more a scientific operation, not anymore a military operation. The military didn't needed NASA anymore - the rockets were invented that could bring nukes to all places of the earth, so NASA focussed on pushing satellites into orbit and probes into space. And when you focus on that, you need RELIABLE rockets,as your contractors will not like it when their satellite or probe explodes during the start, also not so big rockets, as you need much less propellant to get into lower or middle orbit. Also the space shuttle, that was at the beginning of the 1970s meant as a vehicle that could bring us to the moon and mars was cut back to a low orbit lifter. Also: the pilots changed. The Pilots of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo were soldiers! Or you can say: human cannon powder. Test pilots even, where only half of them could expect to survive their service time. The Space Program was for them therefore MORE SAVE than their normal job, as they would only have 2-3 hot missions into orbit or the moon and not 20-30 flights per year in airplanes that were more death traps than flying objects. (Even the finalized Starfighter was called a "widow maker", we better don't talk about the prototypes.) But in the 1970s the personnel changed to scientists that also got a training in how to fly a space shuttle. Civilians. People that haven't signed up for missions where they could die all the time. Where the insurances most likely wouldn't even allow that risk they had with Apollo, while the death of a military personnel is covered by the Army, Navy or Air Force, with payments for the families etc. Don't forget, they later said, that they were LUCKY, that they had only 3 deaths and they were on the ground during the space race. When they started Apollo 8, they had a 50:50 chance of all engines starting correctly and lifting the capsule into space and all the navigation they had to do etc. That's also the problem Musk and Co. have to face: Also they cannot risk too much anymore. Whoever Musk puts into the Starship, wants to live and not die because the rocket makes boom again. That's why Space X tests their rockets so much, until the number of explosions go down to 0. One exploding starship with people on board and Space X is done. We are not in the pioneer times anymore, where people want to risk their lives for a trip to Mars.