Presumably you already know this, but Johnathon Frakes had back issues due to working as a furniture mover prior to acting and often put his foot up on pieces of scenery during long/repeated takes to relieve the strain on his back. Also why the "Riker Maneuver", his unique way to mount a chair, became a thing.
As cadets they attend Starfleet Academy for Astrophysics and Warp Theory but they're taught shooting at Crazy Uncle Sheev's Storm Trooper Weapon's Training and Shooting Range
@@YIAudta.. there's a simple explanation for that, the Federation outsourced the training. Can't you tell with the low quality of the recent versions of both Star Wars and Star Trek.
@@Zooumberg it was crappy writing but I'll say it was not Lazy. It was an intentional affront to the people who grew up on the original trilogy and the prequels They killed off the Skywalker's and put an impostor in place. The RISE OF PALPATINE WAS TRASH. Finn or Poe Cameron was more deserving of the Skywalker name than a Palpatine. That just sucked. What's next Roscoe gonna kill the dukes and start driving the General Lee and put a rainbow flag on it?
@@jamesphillips2285why would soldiers both walk into a trap and miss on purpose, aside from suppressing fire or a warning shot? Iirc, the reason for the Stormtroopers poor performance against the Ewoks is because their suit’s battle computers refused to recognize them as sophonts and wouldn’t target them.
Every time I watch combat on the ground in Trek and get the urge to make a snarky comment as an infantryman, I have to remind myself that they aren't doing too badly, for sailors. XD
One thing I love about this episode is that, with data in command, he mimics Picard's body language and manner of speaking. It's a great little touch how much Data pays attention and makes a good command officer.
It could also be chalked up to the favt that Spiner is a massive troll. There's plenty of outtakes and convenient footage of him messing with his fellow TNG cast members.
One thing that always got me about these phaser battles is in one episode they can create caverns out of rock with a single blast and in the next the phasers cant even penetrate a few small rocks.
Starfleet phasers at max setting can even vaporize a human. That dude that was killed was shot 3 times yet his body wasn't vaporized so maybe those weren't as strong. And ofc starfleet officers engage with their phasers in stun mode unless ordered otherwise
@@emisor9272 The small Type I phaser at its max setting of 8 can vaporize a humanoid. The max setting of 16 on both Type II phasers and Type III phaser rifles can decouple several hundred cubic meters of rock in a single blast.
@@emisor9272 a member of the away team was shot and killed and yet they need permission to use their phasers on the kill setting? No wonder the Dominion kicked their asses.
@@Rockhound6165 quite sure if they could land a shot, then a stun shot and a kill shot would be tactically similar. If you don't have to kill, then you don't, simple as that.
There’s a great subtle moment in the episode when Data is in command and Geordi calls him, matter-of-factly, "Commander" instead of "Data" because he is not addressing him as his friend but as his commanding officer.
Yes, because normally that is the only relationship where someone refers to the higher-ranking officer by their first name in everyday interactions. Geordi always says 'Data', even when Data is at least one (sometimes two) ranks higher than Geordi.
@@ZantherStone I'm sure they just fell that way, though. If you give enough rocks enough random throws on enough planets in enough solar systems across enough galaxies, you're bound to come across a few that just so happen to fall like that. ...right?
Its unfortunate though that everyone in Star Fleet forgot that phasers have a huge wide beam stun mode that can knock anyone unconscious in a giant radius without even having to aim.
I love how a random team of what are pretty much pirates are just so damned good that an away team from the flagship can't stop them on the ground, and the ship can't stop theirs in orbit.
These were mercenaries so they were very experienced and driven purely by profit. Their ship was also quite a powerful vessel for its size. I brought up how the Federation should've purchased them for use in the Dominion war - they were that good.
Keep in mind this was the same ship and crew under the same Commander Riker that was easily disabled by Ferengi attacking in obsolete birds of prey that subsequently boarded and captured the flagship. Worf missed a 3-meter range phaser shot on one of the boarders. They were lucky these Mercenaries didn't opt for the same course of action. Richard Lynch would have looked good in the Captain's chair.
Brent Spiner is an amazing actor. Look at Data’s body language as he sits in the big chair - perfectly mimicking the way Picard often sits. It is even more notable later in the episode when Troi sits next to him, and when they are in the conference room and he tents his fingers while chairing the meeting.
Yeah Brent Spiner is a good actor, but if you met him he's sort of a jerk! Patrick Stewart Deserves an Award for being an underrated Great actor, and too bad Levar Burton wasn't able to move up the ladder in his career as an actor. I did like watching "Reading Rainbow as a kid."
@@jamesberwith7061 I met Brent Spiner at a STCON several years ago and he was really nice to me. He has a comedic sense of humor but nothing bad natured. I got to take a picture with him and it was nice.
@@jamesberwith7061 i met him multiple times, and had multiple long chats with him. He’s really sweet. Yes, he says what he thinks, but never rude or insulting.
@@jamesberwith7061 I've seen him a few times, as I used to frequent various events that often had celebrity guests. He's usually been nice, but like anyone, he has bad days and can be a bit sour on those days.
It would be incredibly presumptive to fire on an unknown ship under the circumstances. This ship leaving the planet could have nothing to do with Riker's abduction for all they know, and until they were fired upon they'd have no reason to assume hostile intent. Frankly it seems that Star Fleet at least discourages, if not outright bans, preemptively firing on an unknown ship. You can imagine the diplomatic disasters that could ensue if they didn't.
Wouldn't it be kinda bad to fire on an unknown ship that most likely holds a *high ranking* hostage? It's not like they can set their ship phasers to stun
You'd think that after a while they'd see these thing coming. One reason I prefer DS-9. By then, they'd solved many (although not all) of these obvious plot holes. UPDATE: On second thought, they actually did have a stun setting on the ship's phasers in the TOS. It was used in the episode: "A Piece of the Action"
Idk what it is but there’s just something really therapeutic about watching this show specifically this era of the show is it just me? It just feels like a lovely escape from this crazy world and the news
Not just you. TNG especially the last 5 seasons were great. Everything thru enterprise at least kept true to gene roddenberry's vision. Nothing being made today counts as real trek.
@@troyterry6919 yeah I realize these shows and movies are fake that goes with anything but the memories are real! It’s a nice escape from the real world because I hate what goes on in the real world it’s depressing and very divisive
Enemy crew runs directly up to Worf’s commanding officer. One of them takes the time to bend down and check his pulse. Worf just stares and doesn’t fire back. Good job Chief Security Officer. Maybe you’re better off on a deep space assignment somewhere.
Worf is amazing. He's always just been written like garbage; he was basically Meg before family guy ever existed. They give him a few shining moments like when he was imprisoned at a Jem'Hadar prison. It's not his fault the script calls for what it does.
@@thebitlot I totally agree. I was visiting the site where they filmed his “I am not a merry man” scene today and I kept thinking about it. He played his part as told to do very well and he made the character good. But it could have been so much better if they wrote him better.
Does she die? I feel like everytime I see a person on the bridge that gets to speak dies, I remember when Wesley was on that console when they were sucked into a void in space that had a face, nagilum, then Wesley was replaced by a black guy, black guy dies, then Wesley is back again lol
So true! It sounds like they had her redub most of her dialogue for the scene after the shoot. It’s difficult not to sound like a robot when you’re essentially doing a reverse lip-sync. The last line she delivers sounds like original audio and she appears way more human. Or maybe she just flipped her emotion chip on for that line.
Worf sure does have an amazing variability level in terms of his competence. I mean, he sure does suck when the script calls for it, but man he's incredible when they need him to be a badass.
Part of the deal Michael Dorn made when they brought Worf over to DS9 was to stop the use of the Worf Effect. Basically, stop using Worf as the punch bag to prove how badass your new enemy is.
I think the absolute low point was in Season 6 episode "Rascals" where the Ferengi easily overpower the flagship in old birds of prey then board the ship and Worf misses a point-blank phaser shot.
@@AbandonedVoid Oh yes, the deadly falling plastic barrels on the Enterprise. Riker was nearly squashed by one too. I love Levar Burton's acting when he moves the extremely heavy barrel after Worf is KO'd.
Dang. Looks like the crew of the Enterprise needs to go to the phaser range a little more often. They couldn't hit the broad side of a Galaxy Class ship!
I always loves when this happens on shows: Person 1 on some comms speaker: "OH MY GOD THERE'S BLOOD EVERYWHERE, DEAD BODIES... THIS IS A DISASTER... WE'RE UNDER ATT...." Person 2: "Hmmm... interesting... I wonder what's going on... maybe there was a malfunction? Bah, I'm sure they're fine..." Like Data, bro, you were right there... you clearly heard him say "we are under attack" before he got cut off.
I love it at 1:12. Worf showing why he is so effective as security chief not even pulling security on the poor officer with the tricorder doing the scan.
I LOVE all things Trek. That being said, one would think in the 24th century, someone (not even Doctor Noonian Soong) would have made "smart" weapons that could lock on the heat signature and discharge one round to incapacitate the intended target. Everyone is firing like Tommy Guns" from the 1930s.
Star Trek was originally conceived as a Space Western, so not too much of a surprise. Problem is, technology we take for granted did not exist when Star Trek episodes were made, and it is difficult (especially for TV screenwriters, but even for scientists) to predict future technology and how it will be used. As an extreme example, look at Gerry Anderson's infamous puppet series such as Thunderbirds, with big control levers, totally OTT heavy duty machinery, and not a computer in sight. Away teams go to a planet surface and communicate by audio. They get asked what they can see. No one seemed to figure out that it might be possible by the 24th century to send a camera too. Likewise drones did not exist at the time, so the idea of flooding an area with drones reporting AV footage never occurred to anyone.
@@dakrontu They did experiment with a drone, but it could only be hooked into Geordi's visor inputs, and didn't repeat the experiment after it was destroyed.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 I do believe that good writing is the key (and foundation) to what makes - in this case - a great show want to strive for excellence. Peace!
Loved TNG and watched it all first run. Always marveled at how shooting a dustbuster phaser would play out with accuracy....and also chuckled at how people could duck out of the way of a phaser shot while it was on its way......Course they fixed all that by retconning Phasers in general for the Picard series.
Picard is more experienced while Data thinks/reacts/remembers better than an intelligent human like Picard but lacks as many years as a career officer. Data might be qualified to be a ship captain by this point but a post like Captain of Starfleet’s Flagship (that is also quietly a warship) is going to be take a lot more than just qualifications on paper and a handful of emergency command decisions.
They didn't do these kinds of shootouts in TOS because it was explicitly stated that a handheld phaser could easily blast the side off of a building. It's become kind of funny that all the series set in the 24th century or later depict phasers and disrupters as working more like Star Wars blasters.
Then again, if you look at the imaginary numbers of SW weapons, their Turbolasers are supposed to pack the power of a tactical nuke. But then, they take several shots to destroy a building...
On max power the phasers are very powerful, even in TNG - they use one to destroy an entire aqueduct in one of the earlier episodes. We can safely assume the setting is on stun or a similar low power
@@JohnnyDoeDoeDoe - In both TOS and VOY, it was shown that Starfleet phasers could do stun as an area effect. Although TOS also showed that the *ship's* phasers could stun a large area from orbit - which would have been *hugely* useful in a number of stories and was thus forgotten by the writers.
@@daniels7907 Due to a throwaway line in a DS9 episode that mentions personal forcefields its become a pet theory that wide area stun cant penetrate personal forcefields and also that theres a bunch of other wearable tech at play that we dont see such as the phasers having a limited smart function that gets thrown off by ECM which is why we see stormtrooper fights and no "sensible" sights on weapons.
There's also the fact that hand phasers apparently can't adjust for a target behind cover? We know that Starfleet hand weapons can adjust their focus to hit a target within a certain field of view... but they can't compensate for some rocks? Also Worf is a lousy shot.
This was how Roddenberry justified not having phaser shootouts in TOS. He specifically wrote phasers as having these capabilities so as to make the kind of combat we see here impractical. But later writers wanted more Star Wars-like scenes. Which is also why big fleet battles became all the rage in later Trek series.
She was actually a lead actress on the Cosby show [80s international comedy hit]. She was one of Cosby daughters. So I'm shocked at how poor , how flat her line delivery was. Didn't expect that from an experienced actor Edit; Some in the thread speculate that she was redubbed for some reason. But even her last line, the emotional input was too high/ amateur sounding
I have a whole SLEW of things in a negative light towards my father,....(like half a book's worth),......buuuut, one redeeming quality was him taking the time to watch this show with me (if he wasn't wasted drunk) daily,........"it can't rain all the time" mentality, had me going towards an inner knowing that it wouldn't last,........he went down a very selfish and self serving approach to life with no one attached to it eventually,..........this show is AMAZING to me, if not only for it's writing and action, but eventually thwarting my mind and make me think of a better "time",........
Fun FACT.... When Riker puts his foot up on the rock... It's because earlier before filming The guy hekoed a friend move. He wrenched his back moving a couch. Since that day his back gave him troubles. Lifting his leg up like he did on the rock helps ease the discomfort... There Are many scenes where he does this. That's WHY!!
The Riker Maneuver, where Riker always lifts a leg over the back of the chair and then sits down, is also a consequence of his back injury. Once you see it, you never unsee it through the whole show.
When Worf warns her that he target practices at level 14, Guinan says, "I guess I could come down to that level for a while." She then beats his score easily.
@@menacelurkingyet8345 I was thinking of that exact scene. Both Worf and Guinan were hitting moving targets, or at least coming very close in Worfs case, that looked to be no more than 6" in diameter. And yet Worf couldn't hit any part of a human sized target. I guess those attackers were operating at level 15+
Learned a few things here: Starfleet needs to upgrade their transporter to whatever their enemies are using, nobody in Starfleet aims their weapons and I now know where Sondra Huxtable disappeared to after her last appearance on the Cosby show.
@Armathy Whats really funny is the crew look like they are only like 10 to 15 feet away from the enemy. They could have flanked from both sides in under 10 seconds. I do this all the time in video games. Riker does a piss poor job of a flank.
Their enemies were jamming the transporter, they probably either disabled the jamming so they could transport or the jammer was set to not affect their equipment (or the other way around). The rest of it stands though lol.
I always kinda' wondered how Trek Universe could invent so many neat weapons but completely forget how to make gunsights. Even an iron sight would have been better then pointing a flashlight.
Accurate hand held sci-fi weapons go against the Hollywood Prime Directive and the Vulcan High Council of Logic Institute. Now that we have that sorted, anymore questions?
@@FirstLastOne well it’s all about the grip I know their no recoil however their weapons will never be a thing in a tactical situation u wouldn’t want to put your whole arm out their if anything it looked like they were pointing hard at the tv trying to turn it off after failed attempts lol
Maybe the fact that the phaser beam is acting like tracer fire? But how hard would it be to put a video camera next to the emitter, patch the video to the back of the phaser (or for Geordi, into his visor), so you know where the emitter is pointing? Heck, you could maybe even shoot around a corner that way.
Actually they are accurate and mostly automated. But the writers just wanted to create drama and leave no one that could be interrogated. Yes, it’s annoying. Edited: typo.
TOS and TOS Movie Phasers: Hold like a pistol. Don't have iron sights, but you have the top of the weapon. TNG/DS9/Voyager Phasers: Hold like a remote control. Aim over your thumb. ... what? Gimmie that 75 year old phaser pistol, thank you very much.
Data: Because if you missed that one you may have missed others. I need to determine if you are the problem before I ask you to perform another critical task.
WHY is not important. Having now detected the ship, what are your orders? That's what she's thinking. The ship is his to command, and he'd rather do technical review.
@@FallofAll33 Well that's weird. I just happen to stumble across this video again after a year, having forgotten all about making a comment. And here you are! In any case I am glad you got a chuckle.
Man, the tactics these guys throw at Commander Riker,Worf and Geordi is impressive! No wonder Commander Riker ends up getting captured at the end! Dang it,Will! You had one job!
@@krane15 I thought it was the captain that isn't suppose to go on an away mission unless absolutely necessary. It was always the first officer. Riker was always concerned for Captain Picard going with the away team.
@@sguinn91 That's true, according to TNG lore. At least they plugged that hole from the OS. But I was referring to reality. In that case, none of these officers would ever leave the ship. They are all too important and bound to the ship, which is their sole responsibility and where their expertise lies. SEALs leave the ship, or a low ranking officer with a contingent of Marines. At least in the explorer days.
Why don't ships ever provide some fire support from above? Even if jammers are active, ships in the Star Trek universe certainly have good enough optics to just see you directly. They'd be able to visually make out individuals and fire down on their opponents as long as it's not super close-in fighting. It would have been neat to see this capability used just once.
Especially in Voyager, since the Voyager can land it can also just fly close air support. Just have a starship hovering above the battlefield. In Star Trek Online, one of the away team abilities is actually phaser support form orbit, which is a nice touch.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 even if the jammers somehow didn't prevent them from beaming down, they couldn't see where they were beaming to or evaluate the situation. They could have been beaming them into a swarm of alien plasma bees or something.
Riker has a pretty good idea about setting up a crossfire then he holsters his weapon? When he gets shot backwards his phaser is in the holster. That is not good tactics.