Not in this case. No Females around too see it. And I said "Females" not "women". Females as in any thing Female from a horta to a kazinti to a Breen. 😂😂😂
If I was in Spock's place, I would've started talking trash about Garth and not let up. Kirk may advise against insults, but Garth's ego would never tolerate it.
Alex Palmer Are you kidding? Do ye not remember the slew of insults Kirk hurled at Spock in another episode when he was trying to make him angry enough to snap out of a trance induced by poppy-like plants? 😂
Why not just ask both of them a better question, like what's my wife's name? The real Kirk should have no trouble with this, Garth would have no clue. This is a fantastic episode, with wonderful performances by Steve Ihnat as Garth and Yvonne Craig as Marta.
Another good idea but I think when Kirk says just shoot both of us for the safety it shows Captain Kirk would sacrifice himself in order for better outcome.
other kirk: he’s fake shoot him kirk: shoot both of us, it’s the only way to save the enterprise spock: *shoots the other kirk* the REAL kirk would never pass up a chance to die for the enterprise
Spock's decision as I see it was based solely on the fact that Kirk told him to stun both of them. The shapeshifter would not demand Spock to do so because he would reshape into his real form. Only the real Kirk would have nothing to hide, since he is, in fact, truly Kirk.
@@fierysage6521 I think he just realized Kirk cared for the ship. Because in the other case, if he just said shoot both, without adding about the safety of the Enterprise, he could've been bluffing, and well, that wouldn't be the first time
@@redpyre Yes. Originally Garth was supposed to punch Spock and knock him out. Nimoy objected because it was against established rules. Spock is stronger than an ordinary human and no blow from a human - Garth was human just with this shape shifting ability should be able to knock him out.
You could kick your own ass, press assault charges,have yourself locked up then go bail yourself out. All in a days work,provided you don't die laughing!
When Spock saw the two of them . He said a clue . But he waited til one of the captains made the first move. William Shatner and Leonard Niony are both terrific actors
If Spock had known that stunning would cause the disguise to end, he could have just stunned them both from the beginning. The STUN capability of a phaser makes so many of our present-day techniques obsolete.
Except, if you know Spock, he is logical to the core and strictly by the Starfleet rule book (at this point in his career). Assault on an superior officer is a serious criminal act. Basically, he won't do that unless Kirk to give him the order, which Kirk kind of did...Finally. He made a calculated guess and happened to shoot Garth first. Its Kirk who should have told Spock, "Shoot us both! I gave you an order."
Why didn't Spock just stun them both, right from the start? I know, I know, he delayed so we could have drama and action. Spock's eyebrow raise and look of bemusement upon encountering the two Kirks is priceless. That was always the best part of watching Star Trek as kid: the episodes where Shatner battles the villain mano-a-mano.
Exactly, that would have been the most logical expedient choice, like taking care of the heartbeat in the transporter room. Besides it was only stunning and they have medical gear to fix lots of stuff.
@@Slashkamr Not exclusively. In "The Return of the Archons," Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock used hand phasers on that setting to subdue the Beta III inhabitants during Landru's attack on the landing party via the Body. You are thinking of "A Piece of the Action," when Kirk ordered the _Enterprise_ to perform an orbital strike to neutralize Okmyx's and Krako's gangs.
He tried that. First he asked (I think) about their last chess game. But Kirk probably doesn't remember chess moves the way Spock does. Then the next question that came to mind could be answered by almost anyone. Waiting was more logical....100% chance of success eventually.
The chess question was pre-discussed in this episode. Even Scotty was made aware of it on the ship. It was meant as a code before beaming up. Kirk was fully aware of it.
I agree with Spock the real captain Kirk would rather give his life than risk the ship and also you remember from a previous episode Spock said that striking an officer is a court marshal offence which he would probability want to avoid purely logical Arya daughter of Spock.
So.... I assume Spock shot to stun which caused the antagonist to reveal himself. That begs the question of why he did not stun them both and let it sort itself out. And that was a bone head move with the chair, Spock.
Gotta say, it's high time that casting found a stunt double with a really keen likeness to Shatner. It's really hard to tell them apart when they were wrestling, even though what you see of their faces is limited. Good thing Nimoy knew who to shoot. Otherwise, there goes TOS. 😂
Reminds me of a scene in Star Trek VI when Martia the shape shifter turns into Kirk's double and the Klingons try to determine which is the real Kirk. of course this came first .
The fake Kirk reminds me of the two women in the Bible when they both claimed that the baby 👶 was their. The fake mother said told Solomon to kill the baby & the other said spare it. The fake Kirk said shoot yet the real one said shoot us both to ensure the safety of the enterprise. Classic moment.
@@BedsitBob Is that a Red Dwarf reference I see? I absolutely love the show!!😃 ( I know you wrote this comment a while ago, so you might not even see this but I just had to reply)
Yes, but it seems that Spock was turned around by the blow and by the time he looked back, the two Kirks were fighting it out. He couldn't tell which of the two had hit him.
Thought the Kirks, when they were fighting on the floor, would roll around and rollover Spock. It was like a prelude to the Kirks fight in ST VI: The Undiscovered Country.
Does anyone know how the effect of having two Captain Kirks in the same room was achieved? I imagined that 60s technology would've made this very difficult, but I'm not really sure. Also, I wonder if it's possible to keep note of who is who throughout the whole fight so we can know who was the actual Kirk as soon as Spock entered the room.
They called the technique a "split screen" where 2 different shots are joined together as one. If you'll notice in the scene Spock in the background and the 2 Kirks are in the foreground, it's Shatner and I'm guessing his stuntman I think Ed Paskey was his name with Shatner on the left and Paskey on the right. With them facing away they didn't need to use the split screen effect.
Split screen was popular in the sixties but the limitation was that there had to be a distinct vertical line separating the two shots comprising the actor protraying the twin. Also the audio from each character was more easily handled if presented sequentially. (Harder to edit otherwise) Fight scenes had to be choreographed and edited with a stunt double so that only the principle actor's face was shown at any time. Lots of work, but doable.
It can be a multiple exposure technique (simplest) or two negatives overlaid on an optical printer with very precise masking (looks better but can blur at the seam between the shots). This clip has been digitally remastered to look better as well. Either way the camera must be locked and all background detail, including lighting, must match exactly.
Spock should have ask the logical question: “What side of my butt houses a large black mole, the left or right? Only the REAL Captain Kirk would know.”
Spock should have stunned both of them when he walked in. No permanent harm would come to Kirk. But then we wouldn’t be able to watch Kirk fight with himself.
@@apsoypike1956 Pillow Blindness. Remember the GIF set? And honestly interlocking fingers of both hands for a mega hit will give you no range and break your fingers if you actually land a blow.
If I were Spock, I would have stunned them both and wait. It would same the logical thing to do given the fact that I wouldn't know how was the real Captain Kirk.
Not to criticize an episode that brings back such fond childhood memories, but if Spock knew the fake Kirk would revert as soon as he was shot by phaser (presumably from no longer being able to maintain concentration), his vaunted logic would have compelled him to shoot both of them upon entering. He then could contact the Enterprise after securing the room. Even if Garth didn't revert, they'd still both be unconscious. He could apologize to his captain later for the breach in protocol.
Kirk on left: Kill him, he's the one! Kirk on right: Not me you idiot, him! Seriously though I really expected Kirk to use the "You must shoot both of us" line to the Klingon commandant of Rura Penthe in Star Trek VI.
Reminds me of an episode of "Karate Kat" where he's fighting his evil double. The Smart Guy of the series knocks out the evil double, and Karate Kat asks him how he could tell which was the right one. Smart Guy says "Oh, it was easy. I knocked out the one who was winning."
It was very easy for Spock to tell which was the real Captain Kirk. Once he heard Kirk mention the safety of the ship he knew immediately who the real Captain was. Kirk above all only cares about his ship first everything else second.
Even as an 8 year old kid when I saw this episode on the family B & W TV for the first time, I wondered- "Why didn't Mr. Spock just outright shoot them BOTH? It's STUN SETTING! He wasn't risking killing ANYONE!"
There must have been hundreds, if not thousands, of questions that only the real Kirk would know the answer to. I don't know why Spock would stop after the first one failed to distinguish between the two. Same issue with "Turnabout Intruder".
Yeah, but on the other Side, I wonder who the Stund double was? I mean in this Scene his Stunt Double to me looks a little bit more convincing that the Stunt Double used for the Fight Scenes in Space Seed Episode with Khan. There the Stunt double was someone called: Gary M. Combs. Maybe he was also the Stunt double for this Episode Whom God destroys, but it looks to me this Guy here is not Gary Combs. It seems to me it was another Guy. Maybe it's also the Hair. The Stunt double in Space Seed Episode has differnet Hair Style than Shatner. But here the Stund double has the Same Kirk Hair as Shatner. So this is helping the Illusion. You can still tell it's a Stunt Double. I do not know for you, but for me this Stunt Double looks more convincing than Gary Combs does in the Space Seed Episode. If you want (volunatry) you could go and watch the Fight Clip with Khan from Space Seed. I believe, I guess you will agree that compared to this Stund Double Cary Combs does not look like Shatner at all. I do not want to insult Combs or whatever. For me it's just that this Guy here looks more like Shatner inkluding the Hair as the other Guy Combs. I pity do not know who this Guy is. Maybe it's also Combs after all. Anyway, for me it look at least more convincing thant he other Scene (from Space Seed)... Just a Triva Fact. A Fun Fact.... Just my opinion.
You’d have to see it in 1969 when it first aired ... on a grainy black and white TV. I was lucky at that time because I could spot Kirk lovely bottom with ease.
