Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989). It's a Meh Final Frontier So Squirt a Kirk On It. 

Unless it’s new Trek.

Good point, that's a dog turd pizza. I'm changing the original post. @@ajclements4627

​@ajclements4627 oh no not new trek, oh noooooooooooooooo. Cry more

@@spoonhanz Where was I “crying” exactly? Oh right, you just live to try to troll people who have an opinion you disagree with. You like new Trek, fantastic.

Yes but this one had pineapple on it.

Exactly! ... Comfort movie is a perfect description ... It just feels a bit warm and fuzzy.

Glad I'm not alone in liking this movie. I enjoyed it when i first saw it on TV (didn't catch it at the cinema) and actually thought some of the special effects, mainly the exterior appearance of the 'God Planet' and the initial appearance of 'God' itself, were quite cool (really helped by Goldsmith's score, in my opinion the best of the TOS films, bar maybe TUC). The other effects are really poor though and the cost cutting can be clearly seen. Plus we have all these strange continuity problems: Spock's half brother, Scotty and Uhura being apparently romantically involved, the Enterprise A apparently having over 70 decks, starfleet having no experienced captains, being able to travel to the centre of the galaxy in just a few hours...etc etc. But the chemistry between the leads is fantastic, and the message it tries to get across is still quite relevant. Plus you have some memorable quotes: 'What does god need with a starship?' 'Then you are mad? "am I?" 'Damn it Bones, you're a doctor, you know pain can't be taken away by the wave of a magic wand'

@@martynstembridge7714 Yes, I haven't heard this expression before, but it's great! A movie doesn't have to be perfect or even technically sophisticated to give you that warm, familiar feeling, like you're visiting an old friend.

Yes - it's the only time in the whole original movie series where the three of them just banter with each other as friends throughout. ST:TMP - Spock is boring ultra-logical Spock and everyone else is a feint shade of their real character. ST2:TWoK - Bit of banter for the first half, but then separated and then Spock dies. ST3:TSfS - Spock = dead. ST4:TVH - Spock is boring ultra-logical Spock and McCoy is sidelined. ST5:TFF - Kirk, Spock and McCoy reunited and enjoying each other's company for most of the film. ST6:TUC - Spock shows dislike for his human friends for the first third, then they're separated, then only at the end do they enjoy other again.

And it has Scotty engineering a jailbreak. Scotty rules.

Chekhov should have been like Hawkeye in AGE OF ULTRON: "Done the whole mind-control thing....not a fan." And then kicked ass (wasn't he head of security on Kirk's Enterprise?)

@@OzBaxter : In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, yes. On the tv series, he was the ship's navigator.

III, IV, and V are all pretty much on the same level for me. IV is also goofy and campy, for example, but if done well (good production values, everyone playing it like they're in real movie) general audiences (who probably never watched TOS in the first place) get what they're expecting. I don't particularly want to re-watch any of these movies, but I'd rather re-watch V than III or IV.

i remember liking "nemesis"!

Well-performed, too. Lawrence Luckinbill took the material a lot more seriously than it deserved.

My headcanon is that “God” was a Cytherian. That’s the race from the TNG episode “Nth Degree” … the ones who made Reg super smart. They like to appear as big, floating heads, they live near the center of the galaxy, and they are able to teach/brainwash people to easily modify starships to reach their location.

@@mitcharcher7528 Nice! I like it. Headcanon subscribed.

Dont forget "Nageelum". He could be a child Cytherian. It's well established that at least 3 races in Star Trek, are willing to abandon their own very young offspring to destiny. The Founders sending off 100 inexperienced baby changelings, Odo and Laas being the 2 noted ones. The Xindi Insectoids left their eggs on a ship and only came back for them after Archer signalled them under the influence of baby Xindi Insectoid Pherimones The Q Continuum, Q (at first) gleefully threatening to let Q Junior be turned into an amoeba (yea Q Junior could be Billions of years old by the time he's a "teen" on Voyager, but he's still the youngest member of the Continuum) So it's certainly "possible" that the Cytherians have done a similar thing. Letting their young, do their own thing. The big Cytherian head that drew Barclay to get them to him, was a friendly and inquisitive guy. Nageelum was..friendly and inquisitive..lol. he really was though. Q... Friendly..i guess, in a sadistic sort of way, and very inquisitive. Maybe there's more examples im not thinking of. Trelane, (i believe confirmed to be a member of the Q Continuum) i know little about other than, he is basically the inspiration for John De Lancie's Q. Shown by Q's Marshall Uniform in the TNG Pilot. Anyhoo, Weed is legal here if you cant tell, ima go. Thx for readin. :)

Id watch that

@MatthewCaunsfield How many of me are in this thread?

@@OzBaxter In this particular thread? Only one of you!

How did you watch that on a plane in 1989?

@@sevenv2154 It was what was on - you didn't really get a choice, short of changing the audio channel and putting an eye-mask on.

@@nrgspike oh right I more meant in the respect that they even had TVs on planes in those days, interesting. Thanks 👍

@@sevenv2154 No, not TVs. It was a projector screen at the end of the centre row - the original flat-screen technology! ...And I feel old now.

Completely agree. And they could have made the force field some kind of rigged equipment capable of temporary interruption of signal. A small fix that looks cool and explains a lot and costs nothing.

_"But then, now Spock has a foster sister AND a half-brother"_ STD and SNW have recently been declared an alternate timeline to the Classic canon. I believe they kept the Picard series though.

@@OzBaxter Well, it really has to be now. They've made so many changes to canon, and I am still on the fence about SNW adding so many classic series characters. True, we never got any real background on the characters in the original series to really whine about continuity, but I wasn't that impressed with the stronger focus on the Augments and Khan's lineage. I suppose it adds to Trek history, but I never thought it fit in well. And making Number One an Augment just seemed arbitrary to me. I admit I haven't seen many episodes (mostly because I refuse to buy Paramount Plus), but what I have seem too often comprises changes for the sake of change and not for any real attempt to add to the canon. Same objection I have with the Kelvinverse, but that was always intended as an alternate history, so I don't hate the movies for that reason. I hate the movies because they stink IMO.

I pirated this movie and I asked for my money back.

You both need to watch Discovery then!

I think this is the only one I haven’t seen since the theater. I never watch trailers if I can avoid them, but in this case, it could have saved me some pain.

He's a dunce.

And yet, Roddenberry openly bashed the film at conventions, even before its release. He thought Shatner had stolen the story idea from him. Roddenberry poisoning the well with the fans is a big part of why this movie is as hated as it is.

William Shatner has seen the version with the improved SFX and said that was exactly how he wanted it to be! :-)

@@RJSRdg do you have a link to when he said this please?

Absolutely agreed. At the very least, V had some interesting ideas. Into Darkness is banal action fodder: villain, revenge, violence.

Star Trek VI: The Apology

Depends on the synths. It should give you more variety in sound vs an orchestra. Dynamism depends on the synth uses, the FM synths can change the sound quite significantly based on velocity where as on subtractive analogue synths the velocity tends to just make the sound brighter by connecting velocity to filter cut off in the mod matrix. Well, you did mention synths and I have like 30 odd of them. By 1989 the ROMplers and samplers were starting to replace FM and analogue synths until Rave and the TB303 became a thing.

@@6581punk I won't dispute your expertise re synths. In my opinion though Goldsmith's use of organic instruments (Planet of the Apes, Alien, ST-TMP, etc.) always produced a richer soundscape. I had no problem with Goldsmith increasing his use of synths, but only with his reduction in corresponding unusual real instruments. A better balance could have been struck at times.

George Takei has said recently that he found being directed by Shatner "surprisingly enjoyable".

Desilu didn't exist anymore and hadn't existed for close to two decades when this film released. Shatner had seen him in a production with him playing LBJ.

It was a bloody brilliant year for movies, wasn't it? Just not such a good year for studios.

Nothing released that summer from Star Trek would've made a fortune. That's one of the unlucky things about the film business.

Yeah, that's still the worst Star Trek film. Underwater enterprise my a**!

And where is the clip of Hasselhoff and James Doohan from? I recognize the Devon actor (not his name ) from Knight Rider.

Ok i guess I don't know $hit. Where is the Connery as a giant bear scene from?

@@joshpinchuk7061 That's the Avenger's movie with Voldemort and The Bride. It has a nice fencing scene in an English clothier and Uma Thurman in a leather cat suit. That's about all it has going for it.

@@neohermitist Connery is in the bear suit and Uma in the cat suit? Some cross species kink going on.

Imagine being a grown adult and calling naughty words "cussing".

No way in hell V is better than III. V is clunky and it doesn't make an effort to go beyond TV storytelling. III is fine space opera, action coupled with heartbreaking sacrifice. The only way V out does III is in terms of cinematography, the blocking is excellent and there are quite a few good shots.

@@ricardocantoral7672 3 is boring from start to finish. There's 90 minutes of dull introspection that had already been done in ST2, and three action scenes - one is played as whimsical science fantasy (let's steal a spaceship), the second relies on a ticking clock (let's blow up a spaceship), and the third has a fat man shouting "I have had enough of you" and stealing another spaceship. And frankly, by then, we've all had enough of him and want the film to phucking stop.

@@RCassinello because cussing or cursing more correctly is what that language is called. Naughty words is a judgement call, cursing/cussing is a statement of fact.

@@ricardocantoral7672 When you are dealing with TV writing of the caliber of Star Trek, it's not necessary to go above it. Top notch is to notch regardless of the screen size.

Hm 1 and 3 are pretty good still. Simon pegg helped write 3 as well

'Still better than Abrams and Kurtzman abominations' - you mean the films that re-invigorated the franchise? and received generally positive reviews 🤔

​@@listerofsmeg884what imaginary universe are you living in?

@@wouterl5316 the universe of reality rather than the moaning entitled universe so many sci-fi fans seem to live in 😁

@@listerofsmeg884 good one. That must be why Trek is basically dead today, has no cultural impact whatsoever and has nobody watching it anymore. But hey, if you like it, that's your right. Just like it's mine to despise Kurtzman and all his works.

10:38 I've never understood this. I know that's what Shatner drew inspiration from, but Sybok is NOT a villain. Anymore than Moses or Abraham are villains in The Bible. He's on a crusade, an adventure. It's a shame the movie doesn't really work. His abilities just don't make sense.