I'm fairly secure in the idea that the Star Trek universe is far more advanced than the Star Wars universe. Then again...they clearly do state it happened Long Long Ago...
I think those torpedoes the Romulans used in Balance of Terror would be pretty effective against those Republic cruisers. I'll try not to point out the stupidity of having huge hangar bay doors that run almost the entire length of the ship.
Phasers have always been more powerful. The pistols can disintegrate entire stone buildings and small hills. They just normally never turn them that high. Meanwhile, Imperial vehicular blasters just barely destroy trees.
***** You keep claiming to have done your research, but with everything you say it becomes clear that you haven't. You're referring to DS9's fleet battle episodes, such as Sacrifice of Angels, among others. For one, there is an unexplained inconsistency going on in those scenes. The crew of the Defiant is claiming that they have shields, but the CGI does not depict any shield effects. Given that the nature of Federation shields has not changed, and we do see shield effects later, we must assumed that, for some bizarre reason, everyone in that scene dropped their shields. Second, those unshielded capital ships were also unarmored. Not only were there ships more than 100 years out of date at that battle, but they canonically have no armor. Compared to Star Wars, where virtually everything is armored, it makes no sense to compare the effects of a Phaser on a hull against a Blaster cannon against an armored ship. Our lack of knowledge concerning those weapon's operation aside, those scenes cannot be reliably compared. Third, in those battles, the modern Federation warship, the Defiant, was taking shots that destroyed the other ships. That's because the Defiant is actually armored. It can take those shots without burning to dust like almost every other ship present at the battle. The other scene with the Galaxy-class against the Dominion bugships, where it was taking direct hits to the hull, it actually wasn't receiving too much external damage, just massive internal ones. Then it got rammed. At the battle of Chintoka, where Phaser shots made swiss cheese of the fleet, keep in mind that they were being fired upon by Orbital Defense platforms. Weapons mounted on those platforms are much, much more powerful than standard ship weapons. Conclusion: You're either not doing your research, or trying to make things seem simpler than they actually are.
***** Then you should actually clarify that! Don't automatically assume that people will know what you mean by "they". Especially in a Vs. argument. There are two instances of a Phaser destroying 21st Century land vehicles, which is what I'm assuming you meant by "destroying a pickup". The first instance was when a hand Phaser absolutely disintegrated a pickup. Granted, it was a Phaser from the future, but that's rather irrelevant when you consider the fact that TNG Phasers can destroy entire buildings if you turn it up high enough. The second case involved a shuttle blowing apart a semi. Given that said Phasers can take on ships of equal or larger size and comparable technology, this scene was extreme overkill. I would expect that gun on top of the AT-TE to damage capital ships, after all, that was what it was designed for. The Federation doesn't have any onscreen armed vehicles (except for that fucking dune buggy), so we don't know what a Phaser of the same size would do. We can't make a comparison here. A Phaser cannon of the same stature might be more or less powerful, we don't know.
I should also clarify that by powerful, I'm really talking about how effective it would be. For example, battleship's main guns are more powerful than a cruise missile, but a cruise missile is more effective in certain cases, and is more cost-effective per target. Also, longer effective range. Just to clarify.
***** Riker claimed so in one episode. He never actually fired the thing, but assuming that he actually remembered his training correctly, his statement can be interpreted as accurate. Obviously, a setting like that wouldn't be used often. That would be extreme overkill and would result in massive collateral damage. Starfleet wouldn't be able to defeat the Republic army, because Starfleet is their Navy! You wouldn't ask the US Marines to attack the Chinese Army without the assistance of their ships, so it doesn't make sense to have Away teams fight an army on the ground, since orbital fire support has supplanted land vehicles. Deep Space 9 gives us a brief glimpse of the Federation's Army (which actually exists, surprisingly). They mention "Hoppers" which seem to be a helicopter analogue. They are definitely in possession of massive theater shielding capable of withstanding orbital bombardment, a'la Hoth, and they most certainly have artillery pieces. However, we don't get a good enough view of their overall capabilities. So we don't really know if the Federation can beat the Republic on the ground. Ground combat isn't as important when ships in orbit can Phaser you to death. Theoretically, they most likely have gunships of some sort, along with armored vehicles armed with Phasers and micro-Torpedoes, and the Photon Mortars showcased in TOS. However, this is speculative.
As you've alluded to in this comments section already, the only way for the Empire to defeat the Federation would be to either run in and blow up a key planet with a Deathstar in the hopes of immediate Federation capitulation (which is extremely unlikely, but not impossible), or else bury it in broken Imperial hulls. As you also pointed out, from the Empire's point of view such a thing would be possible, but thoroughly impractical. The entire reason Vader and the Emperor were using so few ships to put down the rebellion is that the Imperial fleet needs to be constantly spread out all across the galaxy to maintain control. If they were to concentrate, huge swathes of space would be left undefended as you said. You seem to be familiar with the Star Fleet Battles universe, Idazmi. Am I the only one who is reminded of the Tholian Will and what ultimately became of it when I think of the Empire and what became of it?
I just noticed, the impact explosions of those Person-sized ST torpedoes in 1:46 are about the same size as the explosion caused by those considerably smaller projectiles in 1:09. Is your comparison taking things like caliber and whether or not the targeted ship still has functioning shields into account?
1:28 That could have very well been the ship itself exploding, either due to damage to It's main reactor or to an effect similar to a popping balloon. 1:34 Wow, you instantly vaporized an object that's mostly ice. congatulations The fact that the only photonblast we observe clearly in your demonstration that couldn't have been masked by a ship-explosion, is relatively small, leads me to believe that Photon torpedoes aren't as potent as you claim them to be. On the topic of adjustable yields. Why would they waste 5 of their person-sized torpedoes, going as far as disabling parts of their payloads while firing one torpedo with higher yield would have been enough to instantly destroy any ship, as you claim? Also, you haven't addressed the issue of caliber yet.
can you man a video of star trek vs star wars ship to ship comparison of the star ship enterprise against the star wars clone wars ship the malevence that would be awesome
Okay, because I probably made it harder for both of us when I flailed around trying to re-post my reply, I,m going to post what basically happened in our short-lived debate. Me: Hey, a better example of cloaking in star wars would be the Carrion Spike. It's a "Perfected version" of the cloaking device seen here. Tarkin used it as his personal ship. Idazmi7: When exactly did this thing appear? It doesn't seem like it would be canon. Me: It's in the canon novel Star Wars: Tarkin, the canon comic "Poe Dameron," and makes a brief appearance in Star Wars: Catalyst: A Rogue One Story. Okay. I'm ready for your response now if you are willing to continue.
That's not exactly what I said. I said the cloaking device you described (and you neglect to fully describe again here) sounds like a complete ripoff of the _Scimitar's_ cloak from _Star Trek: Nemesis._ In the Star Wars Universe, such a device would make any armed ship overpowered to the point of being unbeatable, and thus has never appeared in canon. The comics and spinoff books aren't canon: the films are. That's in addition to the fact that Tarkin is the only person with such a cloak in the _non-canon_ and thus it would have no real impact on the conflict.
Idazmi7 the novels published post Disney acquisition are considered canonical. Look it up if you don't believe me; I could post a multitude of links that prove my position. (I'm not going to do it right now as I am replying on my phone)
Idazmi7 www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page "“We have an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon,” said Kennedy. “We’re set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics, and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before.”"
in addition, Wikipedia article on "Star Wars Canon" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon the timeline of star wars canon www.slashfilm.com/new-star-wars-canon-timeline/ wookieepedia's article on the canon policy starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Canon_policy Screenrant's thoughts on the new canon policy: screenrant.com/star-wars-story-group-new-canon-vs-expanded-universe/ and last but certainly not least, lucasfilm's own description of the CANON novel A New Dawn: STAR WARS: A NEW DAWN by John Jackson Miller "Our very first official canon novel set solidly in the legendary “Dark Times” between Episodes III and IV, A NEW DAWN will introduce readers to two main characters from the upcoming Star Wars: Rebels animated series-Kanan Jarrus and Hera Syndulla-and will feature jacket art by Doug Wheatley, as well as a foreword by Dave Filoni, one of the executive producers of ‘The Clone Wars’ and ‘Star Wars: Rebels.’ It goes on sale September 2, 2014." The "Spinoffs" are most certainly canonical.
And that was just one Romulan ship in Balance of Terror. So the Republic are basically cannon fodder, sitting ducks, target practice, whatever term you prefer.
Hyperdrives are way faster and superior to Warp drives based on the fact that the Star Wars galaxy is canonically the same size as the Milky Way galaxy and Star Wars weapons have superior range over there Star Trek counterparts
Hate to break it to you, but Star Wars weapon ranges compared against Star Trek is like a knife fight compared to an ICBM. Star Trek _vastly_ out ranges Star Wars.
The standard Phasers used in The Federation have a range of about 1 light second or 300,000 kilometers. Some have a range of up to 900,000 kilometers. Star Destroyers in Star Wars have a maximum range of approximately 6,000 kilometers.
