Star Trek War : A Victorious Dominion 

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Data starts mass building himself, and ST Data begins. That tied with the voyager upgrades would keep races that have become damned near extinct out of much of the fighting. Also using the Voyager Holo doc systems for man power

No one attacks my homeworld and lives!! Earth, Qo'nos and Romulus above all!

I've always wanted to see a heavily militarized Federation fleet, even though it would go against what the Federation stands for. However, this wouldn't be about revenge. It would be about survival. The Dominion would get to see firsthand the oft-underestimated power of the Human spirit and tenacity.

Good video but I think you underestimated two things. First, is that I believe *if* the Federation would be pushed to the breaking point, then all the banned secret weapons, and time-travel technologies that the Federation (and Section 31) had locked up would suddenly be put into use. They wouldn't let the Federation fall. Maybe they just use a couple Genesis Devices on key Dominion worlds. Or, I could totally see them traveling back in time to prevent the Dominion from ever winning. Second, is Gul Dukat. I believe it was hinted at that in the show (particularly in the comics, and books) that Dukat had plans. In particular to discover the secret of the Jem Hadar,. I can see Gul Dukat taking over production of "Alpha Quadrant" Jem Hadar that would be loyal to Cardarssians (and ultimately himself). Cardassians would be the new "Founders". Gul Dukat would "Order 66" all his enemies and take over leadership.

I think that the Starfleet leaders tasked with protecting the core worlds would be VERY tempted to make the Dominion pay for every inch of space close they made it to Earth and such. If Starfleet Intelligence knew that the Founders would likely commit genocide after the war, that makes it all the more likely, since they are already dead anyways. The Andorians, being a warrior race, would probably totally be on board for this plan, while the Vulcans would be more for trying to find a way to preserve Federation culture in some way. I think that in the end, there would be a compromise between the two, where a fleet of starliners, and explorers and surveyors such as the Galaxy, Ambassador, Andromeda, Renaissance, Nova, Intrepid, Nebula, and maybe a few Sovereign class starships are secretly sent away from Federation territory. Maybe a few Oberths might be given instructions to just make a break for it too. Not all of them, mind you, but just enough that they could fool everyone into thinking they went missing or were destroyed. Any explorers that were on 5 or more year missions that hadn't made it back home yet would be discretely transmitted instructions for to them to stay away from the Federation, and if possible, rendezvous with the outbound fleet. I see the Federation perhaps trying to use the time it takes for the Jem'Hadar ships to travel to Earth to fortify their defenses, and protecting Sol with a viciousness similar to the Battle of Britain. Same thing for attempting to build more orbital defenses for member planets, making them harder to take. In the mean time, every shipyard in the Federation would be commandeered, and be pumping out Akiras, Sabers, Defiants, Norways, and Steamrunners like never before, if only to keep up appearances. Civilian ships might be modified to fight, either by their owners along the lines of the Rebel Alliance, or because Starfleet commandeered them, or both. Any that are captured by the Dominion could be programmed and rigged to self-destruct the moment their sensors detect any Jem'Hadar or Vorta anyways. But there is the possibility that morale would drop to the point that officers even start to abandon their posts. And the Jem'Hadar would also likely encounter resistance similar to the Nazis with the Marquis, though I don't expect them to have much success. Once the Jem'Hadar have

In other words, a Star Trek Battlestar Galactic.

You have forgotten the biggest factor; the Borg. They came to earth to change history and still would. No federation defenses left so they would succeed and the federation not being born but the Borg assimilating earth, the founders would need to rethink their plans and worry about losing to them.

Issue with Quark's price of freedom idea. Historically it has never been true. During stalemates neither side would attempt to achieve peace because in a stalemate you aren't winning, but you aren't loosing. Peace is at a premium when 1 side holds a distinct advantage.

I don't think you can count on the federation fleet that left. In season 3 of Enterprise, we saw a human fleet go and make a new colony. I think history tends to repeat itself, especially in star trek. I think the fleet would run for decades and settle down and make a new federation elsewhere. Coming back would put in jeopardy the civilians they had. Oh and the klingons would be assimilated into this new Federation.

I'm really looking forward to the next video.

I feel like Voyager's fleet would act like the Rebel Allience and the Dominion like the Empire

How about this - Starfleet would make a deal with the Klingons - Romulans would be on their own. The carrot to elicit cooperation from the Klingons? Starfleet would share some technology (weaponry and shielding) it acquired from its encounter with the Cytherian civilization and the Voyager's encounters with the Borg and Species 8472 in the Delta Quadrant. The Klingon military would fall back deep within Klingon space to rebuild it's fleet. However, with Dominion presence becoming heavy in what was Federation space, Starfleet took a different approach - using Graviton technology received from the Cytherians, Starfleet would transport its armada light years away, within the Delta Quadrant. I would imagine it would take less than 3 years for Starfleet and the Klingons to develop an armada of ships fully capable of taking on the Dominion in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant. And in an all-or-nothing campaign, armed with highly advanced Borg tech, Cytherian tech, and tech brought back by future Admiral Janeway, the Klingons and Starfleet armadas would win engagement after engagement against the Dominion; the Klingons along the perimeter of Dominion space and pushing in, and Starfleet, using their Graviton jumpdrives, to establish multiple jump points deep within Dominion space and severely fracturing is military presence.

The Dominion wins but the founders died. GO!

Towards the end of the final season, I heard about a "surprise ending" for the series. I though it would be the Tamarians entering the war against the Dominion and helping destroy them. Since a single Tamarian ship kicked the hell out the Enterprise in one-on-one combat in the Darmok episode, they seemed like a potential powerhouse race to align with. The "surprise" turned out to be the Cardassians rebelling en masse against the Dominion.

The Pah' Wraiths. They could close the wormhole at the cost of one single person. A host to carry them to the wormhole. But that still wouldn't address the Dominion's war machine. They would have stripped entire systems to build their fleets by then. Entire populations enslaved to build their ships. A simple military victory would likely be unattainable. They would need to find a way to tear the dominion apart from the inside. If they had access to Voth technology they could simply transwarp to the founders home world and release a more immediately lethal virus to kill them off entirely. The Dominion is top heavy. Without the founders to keep everything running they crumble. The Jem Hadar are barely controllable even with the founders constantly holding their hands and they and the Vorta hate one another. The death of 90% of their population would leave the founders in the alpha quadrant vulnerable and isolated. Their relatively small populations would be easier to find and poison. But it would be most effective if it happened everywhere at once.

Your best video to date looking forward to part 2.

Honestly, when you said the part where Humanity would be affected by the Blight, I shuttered. The idea that the Dominion would engineer the death of the species is genuinely disturbing.

The Dominion War was pure and simple the best and bad-ass conflict in Sci-Fi, TV history, even now.

Awesome show!

Great video I really love the map with different quadrant 👍👍👍

Ty so much for your videos

Interesting. I'll go through what I feel are holes, the rest I agree with. 1) You don't make explicit, around the 1:00 mark, that it's the Prophets/Wormhole Aliens failure to intervene that is the hinge point in your AU, I had to intuit that from a replay; 2) I find it unlikely that a post-victory Dominion would either have to kidnap further humans for their anti-Homo Sapiens plague virus, as it's likely the Changeling impersonating Bashir sent his people a complete map of the human genome and that they had several hundred, if not thousand human prisoners to experiment with, or that they'd need to be covert about it, as by that time they had conquered the planet anyway. 3) Dominion racial structure policy has already shown in the GQ they prefer to parcel skills unevenly across cloned servant races, this makes sense as we have seen Vorta make excellent military strategists/scientists/diplomats etc but lousy troops, with little physical strength or visual acuity. Jem'Hadar of course are excellent fighters but struggle badly with engineering/sciences. Almost a blue vs white collar split. Now imagine if some renegade JH or Vorta possessed BOTH sets of skills; any uprisings would be extremely dangerous. You would therefore not want clones with human ingenuity, plus Tellarite science skills, plus Vulcan intellect/physical strength, just one gone astray could wreak immense damage, possibly catastrophic. 4) I don't see what use the Dominion would have for humans; as above humans only unique selling point is creativity, and frankly it's arguable whether there is much unique about ours. I think Weyoun is correct, and that the Founders would agree; unless you have since stabilised the cloning process so that exceptions are a one in a million, not one in a thousand, humanity is more of a pain in the ass than it's worth (if you've just conquered it), and they order that the Blight, instead of keeping us for generations in suffering, kills us in 2 hours, 2 months after the first infection. Other GQ races we've seen are allowed to work, trade and play, so long as they don't misbehave, lest they get a visit from the JH. Not us, though. Given the human spirit and its ceaseless appetite for resistance, dissidence and indeed all forms of contrarianism, the risk-reward ratio is hugely stacked AGAINST keeping us around, cloned/ modified or not. The Dominion simply creates billions of Vulclones who logically believe (and frankly the logic would be hard to counteract) that might makes right, and the Founders as conquerors of TWO Quadrants are rightful masters of all territory. 5) Given the extreme adeptness of the Founders at espionage/surveillance/investigation etc, their ability to mass-produce ships/Vorta/JH at terrifying speeds, and how poorly the Tal Shiar failed to insulate itself in the events leading to their near-destruction in the Battle of the Omarion Nebula, it is extremely unlikely that piecemeal assassinations of Vorta and random destruction of JH warships would either produce significant weakening, nor is it likely the saboteurs would live long enough to continue gnatting away at the Dominion Elephant in the Room. Other than those 5 I am in agreement with you. I think the wildest cards, and therefore meat for future videos, at this galactic game of Poker are in the hands of the Borg, and S31. I'd also love to see a video speculating on what an Earth looks like if the Dominion actually did decide to keep humanity around.

Great video, thanks! I especially like your attention to detail describing smaller powers and their fate. In this vein, what are your thoughts on the circumstances of one of my favorites, the First Federation? Though we don’t know just how powerful it is, I suspect that a Fesarius-type vessel could easily prevail in an encounter with the most powerful Dominion ship, perhaps even a fleet, that happened across the First Federation’s defense outpost buoy network. In the long term, the Dominion would most likely have a quantitative advantage, the First Federation a qualitative advantage. “Long live tranya!”

That... that was amazing! More! :)

I'm so looking forwards to the next one!

Good work!

love the story telling way u present your videos

Because I think it might be fun for you and make for great content; could you theory-craft a modified ship from the escaped fleet? How would generations of federation/klingon intermingling in a multi-generational exile effect ship designs and systems? Would we see galaxies with cloaking technology and disruptors? D7s and Vor'chas with phaser arrays and federation-level shields and sensors?

Awesome video

Great parallel universe idea for some fan fic! Rebels Vs Dominion

What about making Klingon/jem'hadar hybrids to make a more improved soldier?

Sweet love it .......more please

that deep dive for the core of the federation... good ;luck protecting those extended flanks during a rapid advance

Oh, do the founders are dead episode please.

Awesome.

Love it!

One thing that could happen is that the Borg decide to attack the Alpha Quadrant at some point after the Federation has fallen. This assumes the Borg aren't aware of the Dominion take-over and they are still obsessed with humans/Earth/Federation stuff.

Excellent 😎

Your right that star fleet would fall back fron earth preserving what assets they could and buying time ti consolidate a defense. Thats what they did earlier in the dominion war and it worked. The dominion would be vulnerable to counter attack and it would likely come down to whether the romulans joined just like it did originally. Good vid

Loved this video! Did you ever do a sequel to it?

I really enjoyed this video, thank you! That being said though, I do think that by the time of the turn of the 25th century, cutting off the wormhole would benefit the Starfleet/Klingon remnants little. In a lot of potential futures by this point, the Federation seems to have access to engines that can get from one point of the Galaxy to the other in very little time. I do think that the Dominion would easily be able to have that kind of technology themselves. Sure it wouldn't be near instantaneous like with the wormhole. But, I can see Gamma Quadrant ships reinforcing their Alpha Quadrant territory in a matter of days.

Well thought out.

Hey Lore, recent subscriber here!! What became of the Dominion after the war?? I mean there is a lot of Dominion hardware and military infrastructure left out there!!!

A quick thought.... Ive seen the whole series, but what is there to keep Starfleet in exile from building a few Xindi super weapons that could be sent to the gamma quadrant to start cracking open dominion worlds like eggs?

The whole Starfleet exodus fleet makes sense to me. Doing a Battlestar Galactica move but this time in secret as the Dominion are attacked head on at the front. I could see this fleet heading to the Delta or Gamma Quadrant (or maybe even to a neighboring galax) and built up a mini federation in secret to come back and retake their home. I could see them trying to connect with Voyager and other wayward ships.

That is brilliant

Happy New Years to all! Make 2018 a great year.

Part 2 please

very logically thought out video

Wow. I wanna see that show!!!

After intial loss of 10 cubes, it would take the Borg approximately 1.1 earth years to rebuild and come back with re-estimated needed 28 cubes and 7 diamonds, taking into consideration Dominion rate of manufacture.

Just as as FYI, "comprised" and "compromised" have very different meanings.

Great video. I found it very interesting to listen to. One nitpick if I may be so bold, I think you used the word "decimated" in the most common-but incorrect way. It was actually a Roman punishment and means to reduce something by one-tenth. In Roman terms, it meant to punish a unit/group of soldiers by picking out every tenth man to be beaten to death by the rest.

If Voyager would hear the Alpha Quadrant was toast! I strongly think they might back track and find a friendly planet and settle down.

This would pave the way for the Borg as with the assimilation of the founders would give them what they need to assimilate species 8472 on their road to perfection. They would send hundreds of ships perhaps thousands to assimilate the founders.

Nice Vulcan👍

Awesome video. Just a point: the Voyager can't have the anti-borg technology because the Dominion have destroyed both the Federation and the Klingons, so no future Janeway and no time travel technology. P.S: how do you think the Borg will react to such huge changes? Would they change strategy ?

EDIT: this has actually been addressed later in the series... but it's still interesting to consider how this might play out differently if Voyager had managed to make contact with the Federation earlier. The one interesting unanswered question here to me, which I just don't remember the answer to, is whether Voyager had already made contact with Starfleet from the Delta Quadrant at this point... if they hadn't, it seems likely Starfleet would try sending those ships off in secret in multiple different directions, to ensure that if some wound up getting caught by chance by the Dominion others could still get away -- ensuring the escape itself would be absolutely paramount. If Voyager had made contact, though, it seems more likely Starfleet would send at least the majority of those secret ships towards the Delta Quadrant, and if they thought they could do so without giving themselves away, to try to send a message to Janeway that they were coming. With Voyager being their only known asset guaranteed to be completely free of the Dominion at that point, and with not much else left to lose, and even without knowing about the technology Voyager was gaining, Starfleet would still know that that ship was their best long-term hope and that it would make the most sense to send it all the help that they could.

Excellent analysis! Question for the Romulan leadership though, pre-Romulus supernova: wouldn't the Changelings attempt to infiltrate the leadership?

Wasn't this covered in an episode of ds9 when those uegenix enhanced humans theorized about tactics against the dominion

Fantastic. It would have made a great but very dark series. I remember hearing rumors that DS9 was going to end with the defeat of the federation. Glad the rumors we’re unfounded...

Great story telling thru theory

One thing is forsure. The Borg will definitely take interest is the Dominion since they defeated the Federation. The Federation being the Borg's most tricky enemy.

So the missing Starfleet/ section 31 (SF31) would be the First Order from Star Wars. I think that this alt history should include that the Dominion noticing that equipment, weapons, ships, material, important persons and manpower start going missing, covertly at first then openly to SF31. At first no one notices but when time goes on it becomes a bigger concern. Shell companies will start popping up to funnel money, tech and supplies to SF31. Worlds quietly start backing SF31 then openly when Janeway comes. Underground training facilities also pops up ready to receive the word.

Considering what happened at the Battle of the Omarion Nebula (DS9: Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast), I don't think any Romulan plans to secretly build up a fleet over multiple years would get very far.

The title of this video gave me thrills lol

I know nothing about star trek, but good job on the video

I think the Borg would detect the huge huge conflict going on, and make a move.

Ohhhhh. . . The thing about Voyager coming back to Dominion occupied Alpha quadrant would have been great!

I got an awesome idea go from when the Dominion over the alpha quadrant you know how you ended it with voyager coming with a few ships have them draw up another alliance with the Borg to take back the alpha quadrant cuz it all the movies and shows everything the human seem to be really important to the Borg so much that they create a liaison

just started watching Star Trek a few weeks ago. Tried the Original and didn't like it. Tried TNG and didn't like it. Tried Enterprise and hated it! Then tried DS9 and liked it! Almost done with season 1. Can't wait to find out what the hell you're talking about:D Cause I've been playing these videos in the background for a while now...

Lore, Who do you think will win, the Voth or Dominion? If Voyager were able to say get the hold of some voth tech (they're a few million years more advanced than Federation) to liberate their combine home world from the dominion, who after 20 years would be pushing into the Delta Quadrant as well and into their territory as the Borg area would be a detente, more or less.

Would the dominion be stronger interms of their ships strength and technology wise? Looking forward how the video goes forward from this! 😌

Thanks!

i think the romulans would do just like you said. Sit back watch whats happening, and in their backyard preparing new Warships and weapons of massdestruction to be launched at dominion core-worlds. They wouldn't hesitate to use them. The Star-Empire still may fall, but not without taking as many of the Dominion they can. (Even makes more sense than an overseen nova, to me.)

A long-range fleet assembled to leave, and return decades or centuries later, returning more powerful than anything seen before? So kinda like Battletech/Mechwarrior's Clans? I like it!

One thing. you forgot about the Borg... its possible that the Borg could make another major strike into what used to be Federation space around htis time.

I can see this happening such as if Dukat never sent Odo to DS9. The original plan was for him to entertain the troops. Now what about the Brier Patch and its healing rings? I'm stunned that DS9 never referenced them since Worf was a crew member but I figured the writers chose to ignore the movie since either Sisko would take the planet for the healing rays or have to destroy it to keep it from falling into Dominion hands.

The Dominion vs Katherine Janeway is something I would pay good money to watch. Fresh off the back of killing the Borg only to find her home destroyed and federation enslaved? She would be a force to be reckoned with!

What would happen if the borg assimilate "The Founder's"? What will they look like? And more importantly what will they do...

Fantastic video what about a scenario after the Federation loses before the demean invade earth involved in that drama as does knowing the long-term they would need those positions in order if I did the minion to one of just before the dominion of been in earth the board came in with they have the same resources and know how to defeat the Borg before being destroyed and then quitting the Federation then launch it’s on counterattack or species 856 from voyager

This would make a great group of films based in a splintered reality, a darker take on Star Trek

I wonder how the Dominion would handle a Borg incursion? Probably the only thing which kept the Borg from trying an invasion in the middle of the war, was that they were occupied dealing with species 8472, and localized plagues spread by booby-trapped assimilation subjects in the Delta Quadrant.

One group of allies I could see from Voyager are the Unimatirx Zero/ Borg Cooperative movement. Perhaps even Species 8472 or other Delta/Beta quadrant allies. I could also imagine the Federation/Klingon Flotilla could perhaps come up with some tech similar to Memory Omega in Star Trek's Mirror Universe novel Rise Like Lions. As for who would win it would seem a tossup. Also in STO it is revealed the Iconians were behind the destruction of Romulus by manipulating the Tal Shiar. That could still happen or perhaps not, perhaps in this timeline the Dominion might have caused the Hobus supernova. Also we're still assuming the Defiant was destroyed or displaced in the timespace continuum.

Why would you not take the Defiant and Akira classes? Sure, they might be too small to survive on their own... but you're taking a fleet of Galaxy/Sovereign etc ships that can help with the supplying and maintenance. The individual ships don't need to be self sufficient, as long as the fleet is.

i imagine the sheliak would also rebel....buuut probably not effectively. and if they can cement themselves there, the borg would no other have a chance at least without decades of prep

I love DS9, but I've ALWAYS hated the totally convenient plot solution of the Defiant flying into the wormhole to confront the incoming reinforcements, and the prophets make them all magically disappear.

Another option for the Federation/Klingon remnants would be something similar to the Memory Omega project in the Mirror Universe novels. Entire self-sufficient colonies in areas of the UFP and the rest of the galaxy thought uninhabitable, but rendered habitable with perfected Genesis Device technology. These colonies serve as research bases, centers of resistance and even shipyards.

What about the Borg invasion of earth. And what about if some of the ships meet up with Voyager

I want this as a show

Or in other words, what the Hydrans did after the Klingon invasion or there home territories, the the Star Fleet Battle Universe.

I think the Betazoids as full telepaths would be added to the mix along with the Vulcans, so Vulcan discipline and logic would combine with full telepathic capability.

How about a scorpion like alliance between Voyager and the combined fleet of starfleet and kligons, who meet in d delta quadrant. Make a deal with the Borg, assulate the dominion. Either that or the defiant returned with the help of the profits.

I realise this is an old video but on re-watching it I'm wondering about one part of the video. Where you say about voyager coming back with borg killing technology, would that even happen in this timeline if starfleet is destroyed by the dominion? There would be no admiral Janeway to go back in time, unless it would be from an alternate timeline but then you have to work out all the temporal mumbo jumbo.

One question.....isn't it possible captain picard and the enterprise would turn to Q and ask for his help in defeating the dominion....heaven knows he has the power and i believe he would give picard what he asks for.....but at what cost.......just a thought.

A fleet of Federation/Romulan/Klingon ships from a distant corner of the universe..throw in some Free Borg, some other aliens, scimitar technology...quantum slipstream...the Dominion could have a very deadly rebellion on its hands.

Why would the Tholians side with the resistance? They see a kindred spirit in the Founders, non-humanoids who want order and stability and see humanoids as a nuisance at best if not a serious threat. In STO, in the timeline Sela is from, the Dominion won the war and returned to the gamma quadrant, leaving the Tholian Assembly to govern the beta quadrant on their behalf. That honestly makes a lot of sense to me.

Is it just me, or is it also a high probability that if the Dominion or even the Borg where to successfully invade Federation and other such spaces that the Planet / civilization that the Enterprise came across (and only Data has the knowledge of) in the episode "Clues" would also have the invading Force / forces attempt to invade / takeover, thus being wiped out by that civilization?

A version of this scenario was plotted in the DS9 Episode "Statistical Probabilities" by Bashir and his genetically engineered friends.