When somebody tells you the EU didn’t make sense, and that it was for the best to erase all these stories. Think of how the creators felt, 40 years of content.
@@electricfeverx976 the sith were the species that were almost wiped out of existence (some survived), but the sith as in dark side force users only took up the name because of the alliance they formed with the species sith
Virgin "strong woman" Rey:i am all of the jedi Giga-Chad strong woman Kreia: I hate the force, it always seems to have a will of it's own and leads to countless deaths just to achieve a sense of balance.
Kreia was the best female character ever written, I hope dysney shows some respect for her, and that Aspyr understands what they have in their hands with her.
Canon Luke: "blue milk tasty, i'm better on exile after failing once with a student" "oh.. you convince me after a few sec, allow me to send a force illusion just to died a few minutes later" Legends Luke: "Nothing is going to be easy. Which is fine, as nothing worthwhile is ever easy." "None of the stories people tell about me can change who I really am."
Wasn't there also a time where he briefly fell to the Dark Side, forged a second, red Lightsaber for himselfand kept it after coming back to the Light Side?
@@Lord_Numpty yes, to defeat reborn Palpatine, and then was turned back to the light thanks to his sister, and after Palpatine's ultimate and final death that was aided by all previous dead jedi, Luke became a better man, learned from his mistakes, fought the last remnants of the empire, the Yuuzhan Vong, dark jedi, revived the jedi order, became a father, and then years later, after going through years of struggles and sacrifices, passed the torch to his son and became one with the Force
@@darkwolf4434 Disney Luke: I tried to murder my nephew and hate everything about the Jedi despite my greatest achievement being the redemption of my father, who actually committed war crimes beyond comprehension ahd the jedi having nothing to do with the attempted murdering. Also, I will scream at my master's ghost for destroying the history of these people I apparently hate. Legends Luke: I despaired and fell to the Dark Side. I made a mistake yes, and is was a *_horrible_* mistake, but I ultimately pulled myself together and came back to the light. Also Legends Luke: I'm going to feign allegiance to this monster who orchestrated everything and attempt to destroy his kingdom from within. It didn't last long, but it was a good effort. Also also Legends Luke: The Jedi fucked some things up to a frankly ridiculous degree, so I'm revising the rules.
Honestly, Chewbacca going out by having an entire moon dropped on him is a better service to his character than having everyone he cared about die around him and be given some medal, like him getting dragged around like a useless pup and being captured was worthy of being praised.
It’s insane how there were so many stories outside of the Skywalker family that Disney didn’t even bother to even attempt, so they just de-canonized the entirety of legends so that they could make their material look original.
The empire in canon: lasts 23 years for a miracle as everything in it is either shitty, inefficent or made out of carboard paper. The empire in legends: Allow me to introduce the Fel empire, born from the unification of the remaining imperial remnant forces who joined under admiral fel to form an empire that even after 100+ years still stood, even when a sith took over it, the empire stood and fought back, lasting forever after. Their ship was the ISD up to 130 ABY, a ship so strong that no pther ship, even if built to counter it, could actually counter it unless if of greater tonnage. And agter over 100 years of service, the palleoon class was introduced and became a worthy successor. Not to mention the badassery and efficency of the stormtroopers.
But even in the first Star Wars movie ever Stormtroopes were useless, badass storm trooper is definitely not in line with the original, and don't come to me with the "they weren't supposed to kill anyone in episode 4" theory because they kept being useless in the other two movies.
@@rafaelalodio5116 even so, badass stormtroopers only make sense, otherwise an empire with useless troops in a galaxy where there are races that can tear humans apart in seconds would last barely a year or two. Espegially in a galaxy where i can buy a large ass 600 m long battleship for barely the price of a modern day humvee.
Canon: Lmfao Palpatine bad New Republic good Extended Universe: Infinite Empire creating The Star Forge and enslaving hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands of species, Hundreds of wars between the Sith and the Galactic Republic, Millions of other smaller conflicts, Empire Chad Time, Imperial Remnants, Warlords Era, Thrawn, and then The V O N G, AND EVEN MORE as we go into the Legacy Era and Darth Kryat’s Sith Empire, and it still continues after that.
@@droid5796 pre-Disney independent LucasFilms isn't just "authors" lol maybe devote some time developing your critical thinking alongside reading Star Wars. If I can do it god willing you can to.
“There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. we don’t have 800-page novels, we don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does.” - Kathleen Kennedy
if disney took stories from legends and did them justice, imagine the money those movies would make. just a few examples are dark empire, old republic revan story, vong invasion, abeloth (we already have the ones canonized), the great hyperspace war with sadow vs the galactic republic, vitiate, nihilus, exar kun, and many more
@@AndreNitroX back when they announced the episode 7 before watching the trailers I was hyped that it was gonna be the yuuzhan vong invasion. After watching the trailer my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined
@@Dankumemes i wasnt even a mega star wars fan yet and even i knew there were books about the kids of luke, han and leia, and that they had to fight evil aliens from another galaxy. i wanted that
I hear many fans saying stuff like "sadly this is Legends". The fact some good stories are called "Legends" doesen't mean they are less important than others. We have two versions of Star Wars EU, we are free to enjoy what we prefer. Never underestimate a good story just because it's not "Canon".
The issue with legends is the lack of new content for it. Still, at least Disney have left it alone. As it stands, the worst thing to happen to Legends was the 2008 Clone Wars.
@@AlexanderDiviFilius hmm. I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to but as general rule, if Legends conflicts with Disney, Legends is canon. On the other hand, there are times where Legends goes too far from the source material and gets kinda wild!
@@AlexanderDiviFilius I heard there was an anniversary story released for the original Marvel Comics run. I'll have to double check what number it was, possibly #108?
Thrawn in canon: Stop destroying my TIE defenders! Thrawn in legends: Imma single handily push the new republic back with just one single star destroyer.
To any Sequel fan (or anyone in general) who doesn't know or understand why we disregard the Sequels in favor of Legends, imagine if you will that after the Rise of Skywalker Disney started to create a ton of books, comics, and games that tied into all events and time periods of Star Wars. They could range from small stories that help characters grow closer together or set up new stories, to large epic high stakes stories that spanned across multiple books and comics. They continued the story of old characters you loved like Finn, Rey, Poe, etc. But they also made new characters you loved. And while not everything about it was great (looking at you Revan Novel, Dark Empire storyline) it was still a worthwhile experience. Then 30 years later Disney sold Star Wars to Universal Studios and they decide to disregard all of it and says they aren't cannon anymore. And they canceled any and all current/ future projects being worked on.
@@Memelord1117 actually, Veer was a tragic character. After surviving endor he tried to join several imperial remnant factions, but all of them looked down upon him because he used to work very closely to vader, and vader also liked him, and since now most remnants didn't like the sith, he travelled for a long time before receiving the message to reach balmorra. He was degraded for some reason, but he still served loyally and would eventually die in a suicidal mission.
@@michelecastellotti9172 Exactly. Maybe joining the NR, then sacrificing his life in either the Thrawn trilogy or Yuuzhong vong invasion would been a good goodbye to the character.
I'm not a fanfiction character, deal with it! Oh, you really want Legends back? With a children-eating slavetrader named Dezono Qua, the Yuzzhang Vong, the most boring looking beeings in the whole Star Wars Galaxy, a story that seriously spans a hundred years after the Original films, the more boring looking Rakata, to much OP Galen Marek, who kills Shaak Ti for the 431. time and so much more of this stuff? I seriously like "The Old Republic" and the old Comics from the 70's and early 80's, or some background characs like Teen Graneet, and Dude chill your life, a great part of Legends come back to Canon (exept Mara Jade, Starkiller or Cade Skywalker), even the Yuzzhang Vong will be mentioned in the 2027 book "The Great Book of Star Wars" as one of the first species to colonize the Galaxy and even some members will be named
@@thebavariansidonithano9050 yes I want them all back. Because it's far more more original than that mediocre Disneyshit lore. Palpatine returning? That was in the EU first. He returned, explained it why, and so powerful no one could defeat him. In fact it took the dead Jedi who became one with the Force to finally end him for good, never to return, thus ending his reign of evil permanently, but his legacy continues. Star destroyers that destroy a planet? EU made it first with star destroyer Conqueror, who could destroy a continent, moon, or small planet. Your great and wonderful lore created a gazillion fleet out of thin air and brought back Palpatine because they couldn't create original and new villains/factions. It's true that Galen is OP, but in the novels it's revealed Palpatine was toying with him. Neither him or Luke could defeat Palpatine for good, but some nobody who perfectly became a jedi in one day ended one of the most powerful Sith Lords. Disney making great EU characters part of their mediocre lore will be imitations, just a fraction of their creation and respect
Jedi in Canon: We're the good guys! We always win our wars with minimal casualties and we're pure at heart. Jedi in Legends: We have committed crimes that would be considered treasonous to the Republic, we have lost friends and family we have grown attached to some of which we have killed ourselves, most of us were taken from our families as children, we must find a way to push back and survive some of the largest, most deadly conflicts in the Galaxy while remaining on the side that almost always loses, we've been manipulating others for hundreds of years and essentially used a slave boy that was taken from his mother, many of us have fallen to the Dark Side because we have failed as teachers and we were unprepared for the Clone Wars. We consider ourselves good while everybody acknowledges the atrocities we have committed throughout our history as an order of heroes that try their best to walk the right path, but do not always succeed because even we know that we aren't perfect.
Disney should just release 90 minute films in the 2003 clone wars animation and title them “Star Wars Legends movies” It’s a win-win. Disney makes more money and they appease both fandoms.
Canon: "Jedi good sith man bad haha" Legends: *The Jedi are hypocrites who constantly fail to listen and the Sith are blinded by their thirst for power, they end up losing everything. The true evil, is the Force itself*
Disney Canon: Rey, Finn, Rose Tico, Admiral Holdo, Cobra Commander Grevious, Dr. Claw Thrawn, Ben Whino, suicidal Luke Legends: Jedi slayer General Grevious, Sun Tzu Thrawn, Revan, Kriea, Jacen and Jaina Solo, Kyle Katarn, Jedi Grand Master Skywalker
cobra commander grievous is such an accurate description of canon grievous. also not just jedi grand master luke skywalker he is basically a demigod at that time
@@ltb1345 I think the main problem with new thrawn is that he was confined in a certain timeline for the normal thrawn disney trilogy. In legends he could make whatever he wanted with whatever characters he wanted, in new canon (even in ascendancy trilogy) he is confined to what kind of characters he can bring out or create. Then every thrawn book has to be set within a specific time slot, except the first one. But the 2 other books have to be while he is gone during rebels
I want some scientist to put this on a sonar and just to launch it into space. Some poor alien race will be inspired to help the other aliens stop the evil ones I guess
Megalith always kicks the right way, not sure about the other song... Star Wars EU/Legends is one hell of a ride none the less... Dark Forces and Jedi Knight Remastered would be a nice treat
The funniest irony is how so many people wanted the EU scrubbed because of stuff like Palpatine coming back from the dead, only for Disney to do the exact same plotpoint but without any of the buildup or explanations the EU had for it's version of Palpatine's return. You used to hear that argument specifically all the time for why the EU was '''bad''' and now people are awfully quiet on that front... lmao
The funniest thing was when whoever said it, I think it was either JJ or Rian Johnson, called fans "misogynistic" and "racist" for not liking their botched abortion of a trilogy.
Disney should just release 90 minute films in the 2003 clone wars animation and title them “Star Wars Legends movies” It’s a win-win. Disney makes more money and they appease both fandoms.
Not defending Disney's canon but they killed off half the original cast in their first 2 movies and there are cases in the original trilogy where you could argue plot armor was in effect. Couple scenes from a new hope come to mind. Honestly a miracle that Luke, han, and leia weren't shot at any point while on the death star considering how many times a squad of storm troopers was firing at them in the open. Plus the scene in og clone wars where grevious ties up shaak ti for no reason instead of killing her feels like a real plot armor moment. Plot armor isn't really a strong argument between the differences of both canons.
@@limymage9186 Haven't you watched ANH? The Stormtroopers aboard the Death Star were under orders to let them all go. It is fully stated in the movie. George knew the escape would make the Empire look like fools, so he added a neat explanation to tie everything up. Even in ROTJ we are shown the Empire winning and killing Ewoks en-masse up until Chewie steals the AT-ST. Meanwhile Disney and Filoni make them so awful the Empire turns into a complete joke, never threatening, only stupid comedic relief.
The shear amount of ineptitude on display in the sequel trilogy is just baffling. They spent billions of dollars on the most profitible franchise in existence only to make a series of hollow and directionless films that hardly anyone are willing to defend anymore. It boggles the mind how the biggest multimedia company in the world could be so idiotic.
While I won’t deny some material that has been made under the Disney banner is good. The majority is meaningless. Legends still has the best stories and makes you love Star Wars
Canon: Empire suddenly crumbles after Endor, and the Emperor started Operation Cinder which is to destroy every remaining Imperial territory. Legends: Empire didn't fall after Endor and gave birth to the Imperial Warlords and Remnants which became their own factions later on. The Imperial remnants aren't exactly evil and are actually morally grey and complex. So was the republic and their rise to power. The Republic war forced to fight its way from birth into a successful faction, fighting every Imperial Remnants surrounding it. The fall of the empire makes sense in Legends. A galactic civilization doesn't simply disappear after the death of their ruler. The Legends fleshed out the Empire and their government and actually showed a very realistic downfall of an empire. An Empire doesn't just disappear after their fall, if they did, majority of the countries now would have been gone.
The Sith Eternal : Somehow, Palpatine returned. The Sorcerers of Rhand : We shall expunge all life from the universe and return everything to a Null State, for existence is fleeting. Destruction forever.
Over 300 trillion civilian casualties in the yuuzhan vong war. That sounds like a lot on its own but then you realize that's the only the officially recorded number only the civilian deaths that we know of. If all the civilian and Military casualties were counted I wouldn't be surprised if that number doubled or tripled.
Well with that superweapons thing in particular, Legends was kinda even worse, after DS 2 there was World Devastators, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, Dark saber....
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
"canon" luke:the utter spit in the face Actual canon luke:the most powerful force wielder and Jedi of his era,a god of war in mortal form that could fight even the greatest warriors to a standstill,a redeemer of the fallen,and one of the few beings in the cosmos to battle abeloth and WIN.
Honestly even though it's not as good as the Old Republic, I think High Republic is actually pretty good so far. I can kind of see why people are calling it a "replacement" for the Old Republic but it's really not. It's best to just view it as its own thing.
I love how rich and expansive Legends is. Disney’s lore by comparison is extremely underwhelming and it’s not helped by the fact that most of the major events now happen into shows and movies…and not in novels or comics
The moment when i lost all hope for starwars was when Kathleen Kennedy claimed that the sequels were hard to write because there was no source material to base them off of, like books or comics...
I honestly feel bad for all the people who worked on expanding and writing the old canon. Imagine just straight up having your work being de canonized just for a new trilogy that ended up being a dumpster fire of a mess with no concrete story planning from the beginning. Hell i’ve even heard they even complained of having an issue with lack of “source material” As if decades worth of story telling and expansion had existed before….
I haven’t looked at the lore side for everything in legends but the things I know are the things I really like, ex: boba fett being the mandalore, Vader’s 501st, the force unleashed, the entire history of the mandalorians, swtor and kotor
"You know, it is hard to make stories in the Star Wars universe. Because there is so little to work off of." - Kathleen Kennedy... Bitch, there is literally more books, comics and games than you can read in a year. What do you mean no source material?!
Disney should just release 90 minute films in the 2003 clone wars animation and title them “Star Wars Legends movies” It’s a win-win. Disney makes more money and they appease both fandoms.
If you get to switch to a powerful version of Star Wars, then I get to switch to a more powerful version of Warhammer 40k. I present to you The Dark Age of Technology. However, this is not even the most powerful era. Then I present the War in Heaven. Where Star Wars would be dwarfed in power.
This unironically hurt there was just so much love and actually diversity like Damn we had a slew of badass women, poc, etc in the expanded universe and dumbfucks want to act like we are just mad cause the put women in Star Wars. No Star Wars was for the people now it’s even more corporate
Canon: Haha Death Stars blow up planets lasers Legends: And they don’t stop coming and they don’t stop coming and they don’t stop coming and they don’t stop coming
Disney should just release 90 minute films in the 2003 clone wars animation and title them “Star Wars Legends movies” It’s a win-win. Disney makes more money and they appease both fandoms.
I'm sure if Disney had the chance to redcon the prequels and originals just to make their own star wars, they would use it. That's why I love only the Prequels, OT, Clone wars and star wars legends
I don't even like Legends that much, it's sometimes to ridiculous and people and things are too overpowered, but you gotta say most Stories are so much better than what we've got now.
RIP Mara Jade Skywalker. We thought you a Mary Sue at first, but if only we knew the true horror that was Rey we would bring you and your great relationship with Luke back in an instant.
Who thought Mara was a Mary Sue? People who hadn't read anything to do with her? People who only read the stuff after she was a Master? Her entire initial arc is failure, and her entire second arc is rebuilding herself after the very core of her existence was revealed to be built on a lie. Yeah, eventually she's kicking all sorts of butt, but she goes through a _lot_ of failure before she's dropping mountains on sith lords and using telekinesis and grenades to fight off enemies while she's stuck in a wheelchair.
