Star Wars: Vader Wasn't Always Luke's Father? 

Obi-Wan is a cheeky little shit.

I mean, a certain point of view, am I right? ;)

Jack S. Ikr he's such a troll.

R4?

Anti-HyperLink that was probably property of the Jedi Order and not actually his.

this is what my boyfriend said when i first told him xD

That would be nice, but wouldn’t fit Han’s character. He’s to snarky to do that. But yeah that would have been nice!

Same

My father told me that he used to say this to most girls he dates

that totally just made my day

Benj Obi Wan is an all powerful space wizard. He simply didn't think a girl could beat up Darth Vader.

I'm not a fan of the idea of Leia being the other hope. For starters, she's a politician. I don't see her having the mindset needed to become a good Jedi. Ironically, I think she could become a great Sith. I prefer to think that Yoda was talking about Ahsoka.

Well played

but he is the force ghost, didn't he already knew that Leia is alive

nerd.

Also, Vader means father in another language. That confirms that George Lucas knew it all along.

@@taylorvickerman1508 Dutch to be specific

That's really interesting

This is a year late but whatevs... That keeping-it-a-secret thing was a deliberate direct response to issues George had with the actors leaking plot elements to media outlets. You can read the book about the making of the ep 5 for more info (I forget the title. Anyone else know?)

You mean his live actor yeah he said that during production but his voice actor James Earl Jones did say I am your father

DARTH VADER AND ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS THE SAME PERSON!

@@veinssupreme He was joking.

@@mohammedabdelhafez9507 ok boomer

muhammad jafri r/wooooooosh

@@veinssupreme *r/woooosh*

Tricia Farren that's what happened to me! Would occasionally catch it on tv with my parents and grew to love it!

That's what my dad did. I can't actually tell you when the first time I watched star wars was because I was just always aware of them. Though I do remember episode 2 and 3 being released

LolaAphelion 12 it literally even says that Luke had a son named Ben Skywalker on the Star Wars wikia Skywalker family tree page yet there is no mention of Han or Leia having a kid named Ben or kylo or anything like that

@@anisah9873 Its legends thing. Its not Canon anymore.

Anisah Moona thats legends

Oh, that was just your crazy uncle Han.

Anisah Moona extended universe. also I miss Mara Jade

He never owned R2, he was friends with him and Obi Wan is known for inside jokes

That’s a retcon

And let the kid watch it in the order they were originally released. None of the machete nonsense for someone who has never seen the films before.

NexebNoXV exactly what I was thinking

I say 5 that's when I started

Yeah I started at like 5 or 6, but my older siblings started a bit later

My dad showed Star Wars to me and my sister when we were 7 and 5. My mom didn’t quite approve, thinking that at least my little sister was too young, but we did it on Wednesday evenings when she was away for volleyball practice. Oh, fond memories.

Same. I was watching TPM at 18 months! X'D

I actually do remember it being my 5th bday and my pa gifting me a VHS with "some sci-fi movie" :D

Tuba_G same

Lol poor R3😢

Wasn’t it R4?

Yeah, it was R4-P17. R3 was the double agent from Clone Wars.

Fispe Eelnest, That's when I first watched star wars.

Fispe Eelnest I first watched the animated Series before I watched my first movie at about 6 or 7

Do you show all of the movies at age three ? I was wondering what age is a good age because Star Wars has a lot of violence in it. Do you skip some scenes ?

Galaxy, episode 3 I'm not sure but all the others are fine

Galaxy kids can handle the violence in Star Wars as it is mostly implied and not seen. Although I might wait awhile before Revenge of the Sith. That one is the only film that gets really violent.

That was the first one I saw and then The return of the Jedi. I was 12 when I watched those and then I didn't watch A New Hope until 5 years later.

They'll use the method they've already talked about on the channel: ANH - ESB - AOTC - ROTS - ROTJ

Same also never show them the prequels you don’t want to scar your kid for life

Musikur Fair point. I had forgotten about that.

Helpful_Corn well damn i started with TESB

Yeah, I would say as soon as they're comfortable watching a fight scene (which is different for every kid), they're old enough to enjoy star wars. Star wars kiddie lit also makes for great bedtime reading.

This was me. I honestly don’t remember a time before I was a Star Wars fan.

He finds out soon by his father Palpitane

How would that make you a Star Wars nerd that makes no sense,and since when is being a bad thing so you feel you need to include that

well at the time he was made definitely. however R2 didnts "become" the queens droid after he fixed the issue on her ship. R2 already was her droid before that since its HER ship therefore they all were HER droids.

Bob Less Yes and no! I agree with you about a Protocol Droid being more useful, but let me add some additional context because I am a MASSIVE Droid fanatic. Okay. So, first of all, they have no way of preventing a perfect AI, that hand-tooled processor wouldn't have made a lick of difference, because Droid sentience is more or less the result of a "virus", termed loosely. A cybersociologist working with the Baobab merchant family was trying to create a more human-like personality program by modifying a programming language invented to make it possible for mass data transfer between droids and computers. The result was Bab-Prime, a type of Droidspeak, that spread throughout the Droid population like wildfire, crippling many of their systems and giving many the AI personality quirks we know today that could only be prevented through frequent memory wiping. This is fine for most Droid owners, but to many, wiping was more of a detriment because it was basically factory resetting droids who needed to carry lots of stored data. Anyways, the "virus" soon made itself intrinsic to Droid operating systems to a point where you couldn't get rid of it without ruining it and there was no way to prevent droids from contracting it without keeping them offline to all other systems. It became Babneo, or Bab-no, the modern Droidspeak and root source of AI in Star Wars Droids.

Bob Less But that's besides the point. C3-PO was built for Anakin's mother to help her around the house, not as a barter piece or even a trader. He was made of scrap parts but is actually from a fairly high end model of protocol Droid (the fancier version being the TC models), not particularly suited to Tattoine. Anakin is lucky to have found a unit with an intact Verbo-brain, let alone one at all. Most protocol droids in Hutt Space are of the more common "bug eyed" TO model varieties. It's speculated that C3-PO has many parts unstandard for his model due to his assembly, which explains his exposed middle parts (more reach, but not a model standard). Given the likelihood of people from the Rims smuggling or visiting the planet to pay homage to the Hutts, his parts presence on the planet isn't impossible. R2, now, is a extremely expensive, very specialized and sought after Droid model. The R2 series Astromech was one of Industrial Automatons crowning glories. He would definitely be the property of a Queen, not only because he is one the best models you could have on your ship but sheer cost. Technically, for a mechanic like Anakin, a more useful Droid to have, but no way would anyone see an R2 out in the Rims during that Era and even if there was, any spare parts would have been snatched up by the Jawa who *know* just how much they're worth. Plus, the only reason R2 *is* as spunky and daring-do as he is is because he's been online so long with Bab-no doing its things to make him who he is. R2 has never had a wipe because people assume he can't share your secrets if you only speak Binary Droidspeak.

Bob Less Before Anakin built C3-PO, he was most likely in a destroyed state, so he probably was blank slate (due to the circumstances not a wipe) before Anakin onlined him. His first (soft) wipe was during Clone Wars when he was droidnapped for intel, the second after the birth of the Skywalker twins. He was canonically wiped at least once thereafter, when given to Captain Antilles, forgetting the time he spent with Bail Organa and his family (and thus Princess Leia). Twice more if you consider the Droids cartoon or the extended series canon.

I don't think he was just referring to droid usage, but personality too. R2 has a similar personality to Anakin as in 3PO would be the over protective mother asking "and if your friends told you to jump off a bridge would you?" with the return response from both Anakin and R2 "Yup!"

XTerra KnightX same, right in the last few days

5 or 6 is good age because you can understand enough to get a clue of what's going on. And it'll really expand your imagination.

nickss409 what my dad showed them to me with in the first month

My daughter is 4 and I can tell you now, if you want the "gasp" shock value that comes from the twist, it will be lost on them for the most part. 6 is a better age. They'll understand more the conflict happening in the movie and why him being Luke's father matters. Otherwise, it's just good guy vs bad guy who's the good guy's dad. XD

I was seven when I watched it for the first time. 6-7 seems to be about the right age.

the thing is i don't think you are old enough to understand the movies at that age... i would say 9-10

No it's too young. I say eight, when kids start understanding the world around them, rather than simply viewing and childishly interpreting it

Britt Nehring but he could feel through the force

IF he was looking

He also didn’t know she was pregnant with twins.

Bodaddie Duh, that was the implication

That's a different fantasy series! ;)

Bodaddie Or unless Kylo wasn't Leia's biological son

Looks like Luke and Leia did more than just kiss

Actually ew kinda feel like throwing up now 😂

I agree good idea

Babies don't comprehend anything on TV until about age 2

how about, old enough that he can gather what's going on

6-10. there

I saw Star Wars when I was 6 but I didn’t get it until I was 7

Ha

Nah, it's because he's about to catch a Pokémon

ha

No means he was afraid he would meet the same fate his supposed Jedi father did (killed by Sith). Didn’t like the danger of being a Jedi. You need to remember that at this time Vader wasn’t confirmed to be luke’s father

No it’s applying that Luke’s father killed plants for a living and they didn’t want to go out of business from this kid they were randomly handed from a random Jedi who just nodded at them and walked away.

... He's adopted?

Incredible memory and speech you had when you were 3.

And you wrote this comment a year later?

Beanie Guitar Guy Actually 3 years. This comment was made in 2017 and it’s 2020 so....

dashy xyz Do you not understand how time works?

Beanie Guitar Guy Ooh La La someone’s going to get laid in college.

Ya, Cause Harrison Ford has said multiple times that he does not like playing Han Solo and wanted the character to die

Han was never supposed to die. That is a huge fallacy created by the fact that both Ford and Kasenden said they thought he SHOULD have died. Lucas was always adamant that he wouldn't. Personally, I think that the whole thing about Leia being Luke's sister was to force Kasenden to keep Han alive, so that Luke couldn't have her.

Han wasn't in episode 2 I think you mean episode 5

He wasn’t killed cuz he was to Sussex-full and thy wanted to sell more toys so on and so forth

On her or his 6 birthday

Can't say why they chose Luna, but "Tonks" is a surname, and wouldn't make a very good given name, while Tonks herself hated her given name Nymphadora, so it wouldn't make sense to honor her by passing that down to another unsuspecting child. Plus, perhaps Harry and Ginny felt that it would be weird for Teddy to have their kids named after his parents, since they don't use Remus either.

what about Sirius

Well luna was like ginnys friend and she helped harry a lot.

Simple answer, call her Myrtle XD

Rachel Barker Tonks hated her name Nimphadora and Tonks was her last name. May be Lavender...😂

THICC BEE not with those thiccccc eyes u did

That's way to old, you have to get them when they're first starting to understand stuff.

I think he would go with the ultimate order, the Machete order. 45236(789). They even have a video explaining why!

The Ducky Nerd I think you should watch them 452367 that way when you finish 5 you can see how vader is lukes father and you are still in suspense because han is still in the carbonite then you watch 6 after 2 and 3 but just leave out 1 then go to 7 8 and 9

Regardless you have to choose in which order to show them. I would vote for the machete order. (and show ep. 1 after everything else, if they want to see it).

RealPhantomCOi I think the point of the Machete order is that you still get the mind-blowing "I am your father" line while also watching the prequels and seeing how Anakin and Padme had Luke and Leia. I'm not sure what order you're thinking of when you say "show them all the movies." Like, just show them in whatever order because apparently kids only care about the lightsabers? That's also fair, but I think children are capable of following a story line, they're not mindless, and as a parent you'd want to give them the best plotline possible. As a child I watched the prequels before the original trilogy, which means that I already knew "I am your father" before I saw it, so the impact was kind of ruined for me (not that I really care, but Ben and J seem like they would care about that).

the ducky nerd yes don't FORCE it on him hehehehe

duh

Noooooooooo I hate you

Actually, he would say "No, I am your mother" because the original said "No, I am your father"

Haha, very funny.

He didn’t even say Luke he said no

Josh Applegate that's a good age

actually no, not five or six. I was five or six the first time I watched the movies and apart from being totally freaked out by them and never wanted to see them ever again (which failed, I saw them again.) I remembered a bunch of random scenes AND by the time I wanted to watch them again, everything had already been spoiled for me. I knew Darth Vader was Luke's father, I knew Luke and Leia were twins, I knew Vader turned to the good side in the end and died, I knew basically anything good at all. Also, I had no idea what was going on at all, I seriously thought Star Wars was about a huge green slug with a lightsaber that spit slime everywhere. (I saw a scene with Jabba the hut, don't judge my six year old self. XD) I say maybe eight.

Two-Face actually, Qui Gon used him, and they just kinda kept him.

r2 was never qui gons. it was padme's and anakin and padme just switched droids (if i remember right idk wedding gifts) cz a protocol droid suits padme more and astromech suits ani.

Iris Patcher I didn't say he belonged to Qui Gon, I said he was USED by Qui Gon. Qui Gon and Obi Wan approach who they believe to be Amadala stating that R2 acted bravely, and she commends the droids actions. He was just an issued droid that happened to be in the right place at the right time. As for why they wouldn't remember Anakin, their memories could have been overridden so C3PO wouldn't spill the beans on accident.

BoundbyCronus You said they kept him tho(if i remember ur comment right.Cant check atm) which implied owning. Also i wouldnt really say qui gon used him. He was just on that ship from naboo among 3? other astromechs. (Both 3po and r2 had memory wiped ye) the point is tho r2 really didn't belong to obi. He was padmes and then anakins. And he spent more time imo with anakin and ahsoka then he did with obi for obi to have any special feelings towards him. And despite us never seeing another r2 (or like a blue one) im sure theres several so he doesnt stand out to him.

Except in Ep II R2 was the droid on Obi Wans fighter, like he was for Luke, that sort of indicates he was "owned" by Obi Wan at that point...

that's me and g1 transformers. The plot is terrible, but I still love it.

Big Green me too but i feel like missed out on something huge and i am never going to experience this huge surprised 😢

Same

unfortunately, my parents weren't aware of the consequences of exposing a child to the prequels

I watched the movies in the order they were released, but I actually can't remember a time when I hadn't seen them, so I have no memory of first finding that out.

Yep lol

In the womb

as the child is being born J is just readng the yellow text at the beggining of a new hope to him XD

"What was the first thing you said to him?" It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the GALACTIC EMPIRE. During the battle, rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough firepower to destroy an entire planet. Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and bring freedom to the galaxy....

Once

Yeah we live in a world of "you can be spoiled in matter of seconds" so I think nowadays it's hard to crow up not knowing who Luke's father is

I was like 2 when revenge of the sith came out in theaters and I watched it so

I binge watched all the movies with my dad when I was six I didn’t fully understand the movies but after rewatching them two more times I understood everything

yes!

👏 👏 yassssss

My friends where solo and Leah in preschool for our Halloween party and they kissed so um yeah

Phoenix_ Ravenclaw There are no more Jedi

DarthDulla 9 Dang it.

peace is a lie, there is only passion, through passion i gain strength, through strength i gain power, through power i gain victory, through victory my chains are broken, the force shall set me free

you will all fall at the hands of the dark lord

No where because jedi’s don’t exist

Hahahaha lol I love you're funny what's it called ah forget it But if it's true then that wouldn't make much sense because if Kylo is older than Luke, Luke wouldn't look older unless Kylo is not a human being but something that looks like it which means Vader is not 💯% human which means Luke is 25% human I guess. And okay if so wh- actually nevermind that makes a bit of sense no no but that I ju- ok I don't know

i thought this was gonna be true, until he said "I am your step father!'.

Kylo Ren or Ben Skywalker is the son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade.

EPM 101 I'm surprised they got this wrong, they're usually pretty good with those things, but I guess they forgot to double check

Seriously! I have learned this in several sources. They should know better than this. It’s why urban legends never die.

jhon Carter YES I HAD A BUILD-A-BEAR WHO SANG THAT SONG! MY CHILDHOOD

Xx _RainbowCandy_ xX LOL

jhon Carter True colours or seagulls by bad lip reading? I thought of both lol

Finn Conroy sure

jhon Carter yeah boi

I just watched Lilo & Stitch today, and I was thinking the same thing! I noticed David was wearing a necklace that looks EXACTLY like Maui's Hook and Stitch covered a couple sea turtles with a palm leaf during the credits! I was so excited that I spotted those on my own, and then I found all of these theories online, so now I just feel like I'm late LOL!

the way I see it with David wearing that necklace is no more than a representation of Hawaiian tradition, Maui is an actual demigod in polynesian culture, including Hawaiian, and his hook by the proper name Manaiakalani, is a popular symbol there, so odds are it's just something they made because of the legends of Maui, necklaces like those even exsist irl and you can purchase them, if you'd like to learn more about the cultural origins of Maui you can check out this video by Gaijin Goombah ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8DYzP-2aSc8.html or this one that culturally disects Moana including Maui ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Emn1TdkQmNs.html

Of coarse R2 would play along, why am I not surprised? R2 is like the greatest droid who ever live- rolled? geared? the greatest droid who was ever built.

Ava Walker Fuck you.

Proto L Er... I was trying to be a kind person who brights people's day... why are you cross with me... ☹️

Ava Walker You too!

Proto L Calm down

Ava Walker thank you

Katiepurple Pie didn’t know until I saw empire. Guess I was blessed in that regard.

Omg sorry dumb autocorrect with german Keyboard

XD

PcCrazii I thought it was in German????

Its Dutch, but still very close father in German is vater

oh my God yes

Richie Manuta that’s Vater.

Amy Farrah Fowler, taught us that !!

HAAAAAAAAAAA

Just make sure you teach your nephew WITH GREAT POWER COMES NOTHING IMPORTANT FOR A SUPERHERO that way you won't die.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

I wonder if he means Old Ben Kenooooooooooo..........................

Now he’s gotta have “ready rice” on him at all times

Just ?

I was the same. My Dad and Grandpa to my brother and I to see the first prequil when it came out. Then sat us down to watch the original Trilogy

nah, I started watching at 7, I can't remember a THING from when i was five, I'm 14

Same it's amazing

I started when I was 3

Show him Episode I before Episode V! Episode I doesn't reveal Darth Vader's identity, but it does reveal Anakin, and Episode IV reveals Anakin is Luke's dad, and V reveals that Darth Vader is Luke's father. Extra Unexpected Conclusion: Darth Vader is Young Anakin.

Thats not the order

Everest, why on earth would you show a child Episode I? It contributes literally nothing to the story. That's half the point to the Machete Order.

It let's them know who Anakin is without revealing him as Darth Vader. And it's extremely fun.

Everest Canyon aaah, that is so good

Summer Blaze bro he’s leia’s son

Because KYLO IS ANAKIN and REY IS PADME THEY HAVE REINCARNATED

4 and 5 year old wont understand the moves. My brother who is 7 does not quiet understand the moves.

no no honey no

Sup

VaderTheSith it should be "Yoda I am"

James Humphreys lol true

Miles Reid I agree if they really want to watch them again then play them in order from 1-9 because they can count and might be confused on why they started with 4. Also coming from someone who didn’t really find attack of the clones that interesting as a kid they might not like it just saying.

I agree but do it in chronological order instead so it's easier to understand

It's not that hard to understand, especially if the parents bother to spend a few mins explaining it, lol. My dad explained it to me easily enough at a young age.