Star Wars: Why Darth Vader Was Right (And Had a Secret Plan to Save the Galaxy) 

Wow

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* spelling error "gully"...assuming you meant "fully"

I don't think he was ver irreedeemable and I think that's the point. You'll allaways have time to change. Kinda like the point on Logan. "You still have time". For me Vader was allways a good guy in heart, regreting everthing he has ever done, but not knowing how he could do any better.

I always felt it was too big of a rush between his "fall" and his horrible deeds right after. To me him doing truly horrible deeds would have felt more "real" after he got burned and left for dead by Obi Wan

savage

Yooooo

Well said!

Maybe expect the Joker, he enjoys being the bad guy

@@LoneWolf677 the hero releasing ppl from their life as a comic book character and with a laugh and smile as they depart. He knows hes a comic book character and wants to either prove it or end it all or get rich and powerful and just have fun while he can.

No, every villain is the protagonist of their own story. Some villains know that they're bad, others are misguided.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

It should have happened - Disney sucks.

Because Disney hates Prequels.

No need to taint his image by associating him with that mess. As far as Im concerned it was just a quick force vision Luke had after picking up Grogu.

@@griveouswithhislightsabers3665 The prequels sucked as quality films but they had heart and personality that the new trilogy failed to have :/

@Giovanni Roman How is his opinion a lie?

That may have been the intent, but for me, it just left me sad thinking of those poor additions to SW cannon. Here's to hoping those are written out.

I know this video is a year old, but it was such good rage bait, that I had to come down here and add to the comments and say "well played, very well played" :)

Bruh I just thought that scene was funny

They not only found a kid that looked like Jake Lloyd, he even had the same stilted delivery 😂

@Mr Glass now that's a bummer LOL. Talk about looking too much into things 😂

Obiwan to Luke. “This is your father’s lightsaber. It’s killed a-lot of children.”

@@BrunoSarlas Not at all. It doesn't change anything for me.. Whether or not it was intentional is besides the point. The metaphor works, regardless.

" Soul Calibur " video game, Vader body slams, tosses, or does an Emperor Palpatine on opponents he defeats. My D&D RPG game shop I went to over viewed the " overthrown the Emperor " scene along with reading the novel. Emperor, " Well young Skywalker you are a Fool just as your Father was ! And now you die." Vader did not take insults lightly.

Oh he over [head] threw him alright

He literally threw him

@@dirisiri1267 Exactly.

Well he did THROW him OVER, so I say he did OVERTHROW Palpatine. 💪 I feel like Vader was biding his time and strategizing. Then he said, "Eff it", and just killed Palpatine in a bout of emotion.

The rule of 2 is really the rule of number 2 overthrowing number 1 (you are, Number 6), so Palps has to both stifle that and be proud that his apprentice is trying to overthrow him.

@@tbx59 it's all about the punctuation

Yes it's pretty great.

You need to separate all these comics and books from George Lucas's Star Wars. None of that has any influence over his creation. "When I said other people could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." - George Lucas 2005

@@JackRipper8881 That is true, but the post-purchase fiction is all officially canon, sayeth The Mouse.

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@@LuxInvidious 😳

"Ironic."

"Life-long?" yeah nah

@@mouseshadow5828 for those in order 66, yes. „Life-long“😂

His acting still sucked.

@@adamjones-ps why did they write him to be so whiny? Also his character arc was so off then rushed I don't think the actor ever had a chance man

There's another video by Star Wars Theory where he discusses a book about the early SW days, showing quotes from George Lucas, referring to himself as the king of wooden dialog. In those quotes, Lucas explains how he uses dialog the same way he uses music and sound effects. He puts more value on what he considers to be the way a scene feels as a whole and seeing what he wants to have communicated, disregarding the acting quality or realistic dialog, etc.

@@savageshot3723 You guys are the biggest whiners ever. 🙄

he got a lot of flack for his ''whining child acting'' - and I was among those critics of him as well, but exactly like you said, when you drive into the lore so deep, like I have really been enjoying, and understand what the character was, ie the child, then into the Jedi, then the loss, the fear of loss of his love that drove him to the dark, etc etc - yeah hat off to him he done an amazing job.

I love this

That doesn't look as good on a T-shirt tho does it.

Vader did kill a few people, but not half the universe :)

@@jochenstacker7448 The thing is BOTH Vader and Thanos WERE RIGHT.

Palpatine played Vader like a puppet. He was a master at mental manipulation!

Nope anakin was the chosen one he had the power to see the future easier and everything he saw actually happened

@@sohrab4371 yes it happened, but it was a self-fulfilling prophecy

That was largely rumored that Palpatine did that. I wouldn't put it past him, either.

That’s a weak theory. Palpatine at best reinforced Anakins fear by offering a solution. Anakin ALWAYS had visions of the future. And the future can always be changed. Anakin seen a possible future and Palms led his down the path that made that possible future become a reality.

Disney really messed it up Palpatine coming back is almost illegal lol

And at least they have some continuity. Maybe only because the story had to end the way it ended to fit the original trilogy

I agree! I love Darth Vader tho, so..biased! 🤷‍♂️

When ROTS came out, Lucas did an interview in Rolling Stone and said (IIRC): Anakin is potentially 120% of Palaptine's power in The Force, but only about 75% after he becomes Vader.

Yea but the war would've kept on and the Jedi wouldn't realize their folly.

And thus bring balance to the Force. Be wary of prophecies, they might not go the way you expect. Like Thanos,he did bring the force into balance. "Perfectly balanced. As all things should be." “A small price to pay for salvation.”

@@debianswami8204 Dork.

Thank you

It all goes back to the line he said to Obi-Wan later... "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." Mace Windu showed he was no better than the Sith because when it was truly important he threw aside his Jedi code. Mace Windu lost himself to his fear in the end, it just happened to be Anakin's lightsaber (and Palpatine's lightning) that cast him down from the heights Jedi claimed to inhabit.

@@justinjohnson9627 Windy was fighting for his life. Just watched Palpstine take out several jedi easily. For all their failures, it is absolutely not true that they were just as bad. Anakin killed a helpless Dooku and how many innocents later on. He didn't care about Jedi code when he tried to stop windu, it was about using Palpatine to help padme. He already knew that palpatine had been using him and manipulating both sides in the war. Windy having a tough moral decision in a life threatening situation is not all like machinations and manipulations and deaths caused by the sitj

Or was he truly saving the younglings from a more gruesome future or death. Left alive Palpatine would’ve used those children for his own desires including experimenting on them as he tried with the stolen younglings.

Sounds like Art Imitating life(real history). Good points! agreed!

Anakin wasn't the least bit remorseful about what he did. He literally told Padme that he enjoyed killing the men, women, and children. And to top it all off, he blamed Obi-Wan for supposedly holding him back.

@@decepticonxhunter4850 He was upset and crying over it. He says I’m a Jedi. I know I’m better than this. About killing the Tuskens. He thought Obi-Wan was holding him back regarding his training.

Well, he actually saw 3 corpses and 1 who was struggling to deflect Force Lightning.

well, that first one was cut down in like half a second so I dunno if you can really call that "trying"

it doesnt exist, just a force vision that didnt come to pass. VII, VIII and IX should all be retconned as such.

I'll believe it when he calls her Rey Skywalker

@@dAeveFellows And the prequels right with it. The whole Jedi fighting in the War and _as generals_ on top of it made absolutely no sense at all. Seriously, in the Clone Wars cartoon, Ki Adi Mundi deploys friggin _flamethrowers_ and not against droids, against the Geonosians!

Agree. When Disney goes bankrupt and sells off Star Wars, whatever studio owns it should come out with its own new Episodes VII, VIII, IX. Just ignore the Disney ones were ever made.

@@peewypeabody4284 I'm sure that was part of Palpatine's plan. Getting them out of their comfort zone to leading a war and twisting their morals so that they're pulled out of their inner balance and becoming vulnerable in their minds and souls, becoming something they once considered as abhorrent. Also that's why they were leading actual people instead of droids. Even if they were clones, they were depicted as human as possible in the animated series, to reinforce the idea that Jedi believes in preserving lives, yet they are leading these clones to almost certain death.

I was sad this was ended after revenge of the sith.

I just watched Ki Adi Mundi deploy flamethrowers against the geonosians (not the droids, the actual humanoids)! This is not the Jedi I know and for me, this is what finally made me stop watching the series. It's just all a senseless clusterfuck made for 12 y/o.

hopefully they retcon it in the future since dave filoni has been offically named the creative director of star wars

And the usual bombing of cities was indiscriminate firebombing. Most cities have some kind of military value during war such as factories and military facilities, but LeMay decided to firebomb places rather than do precise bombing because it was safer for the crews. But it also resulted in entire cities burning to the ground and at least as many deaths as an atom bomb would result in.

Yup, I abhorred TLJ, but having Luke become disillusioned with the Jedi and try to understand their total failure in the Clone Wars was actually the best part of the plot IMO. How Luke reacted to his disillusionment, however ....

I completely agree. Those were my thoughts after watching IX

AGREED

Lol I'll accept it Multiverse 😂😂😂

Feels like The Old school books Had the Real Lore it was GEORGE Lucas Approved lol

@@puertoricanoutlawsgaming The Star Wars Multiverse Star Wars has always had a multiverse of continuities: 1.) George Lucas episodes 1 - 6 The G-Canon, & his sequel treatments. 2.) The EU Episodes 1 - 6 plus mirror alternate universe expanded lore from fan writers. This includes Clone Wars(2003) which was meant to be in between episodes 2 & 3 but fits the EU’s interpretation of the films a lot more then the films themselves. 3.) George & Dave’s new continuity of The G-Canon Episodes 1 - 6 plus The Clone Wars. (George considers the 2008 Tv show that he worked on with Dave as apart of his continuity since it was made, He felt the same way when the 2003 show was made until he made this one.) but despite George’s view this show while a masterpiece has glaring flaws in continuity errors and narrative errors to both his films, & The EU, it doesn’t even fit the continuity of (2003) two part tv show which I remember the media at the time believing this version to be a continuation of that very show when it started. Even though this was meant to be apart of George’s G-Canon and he had no intentions of fitting it into The EU which he saw as a parallel universe for fans, at the end of the day Filoni (genius Star Wars storyteller) created a lot ideas with his staff in the stories of the show that contradict the continuity & narrative of The Films lore, which is very evident. (As much as I love Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars & Rebels, despite their errors this is the same man that was behind disney Lucasfilm’s backwards direction of Their sequels including Jake Skywalker.) 4.) The New Disney Star Wars continuity at the beginning: Episodes 1 - 6, The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, & Their films and books (With all my gripes behind The D-Canon I got Star Wars Rebels, rogue one , and solo a Star Wars story, despite the various flaws in all three they were the closest to feeling like genuine Star Wars projects.) UPDATE: Well it started off with The G-Canon then the multiverse formed as a result of George wanting to create a space for fans to tell their own Star Wars stories. Star Wars & Indiana Jones work Off a Multiverse Canon systems for their IP’s. For Star Wars, G-Canon was at the top, In the continuity of this main universe George’s versions of events which started off The Sith, The Jedi and The Republic happen. "Everybody said, 'Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other of, and there wasn't anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he's not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master." So within The G-Canon The Sith ruled the universe two thousand years before The Phantom Menace but they killed each other out of their lust for power and then The Jedi & The Republic formed over the course of that time to build a better time of peace for The Galaxy and The Universe. The events of The Six films happen: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith Star Wars: A New Hope Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi With The (2003) Clone Wars show that was made during the run of The Prequel Trilogy was originally taking place between Episode 2 Attack Of The Clones & Episode 3 Revenge Of The Sith before later being retconned by George Lucas & Dave Filoni with The 2008 TCW (The Clone Wars Show) Also within The G-Canon is George Lucas’s plans for his sequel trilogy which my project is based on. T-Canon below it as an Alternate Timeline where the early version of the 2008 TCW show took place before Star Wars was sold to Disney. EU (Legends) as a whole Parallel/Alternate Universe where all The Old Books, Games , etc take place along with The (2003) Clone Wars Show that used to be apart of The G-Canon but was retconned for the creation of The 2008 (TCW) The Clone Wars Show, and now permanently placed within The EU afterwards. This is The Pre-Disney Star Wars Hierarchy of Canon. Aka The Star Wars Multiverse Canon System. G-CANON: The Six Star Wars Movies. T-CANON: Star Wars The Clone Wars. C-CANON: AlI Expanded Universe Books, Comics, Video Games etc... S-CANON: Some Pre-Zahn works and alternate choices in Video Games. NON-CANON: Star Wars Infinities and alternate endings to Video Games "Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history.” “Our goal is to present a continuous and unifed history of the Star Wars galaxy, in so far as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's saga of films and screenplays'. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars tales. Everything else is considered canon." Sue Rostoni, Editor at Lucas Licensing Star Wars Gamer Magazine, Issue #6, July 2001 There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe- licensing world of the books, games and comic books." -the George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002 "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005 "But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008 The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products. Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well. "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I dont know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005

"But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008 The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products. Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well. "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I dont know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005 “There are two worlds here; There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” - George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001 “Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it’s hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, ‘OK, go ahead.’” - George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007 When people don’t know this or don’t want to accepted a lot of confusion happens in the fandom over what matters and what doesn’t. This isn’t me saying George didn’t care about the EU or that it’s not important this is me filling in the facts, the concept of parallel universes or a multiverse for different specific continuities has been there since the start of the EU so fans can tell their own Star Wars stories while George can tell his own Star Wars stories since he is the head of Star Wars. Disney trying to make this all one timeline and just erasing other Star Wars continuities is contradictory to George’s approach with Star Wars. Fun fact The early Clone Wars that came out before Revenge Of The Sith, Star Wars Clone Wars (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky was originally apart of The G-Canon because under George’s direction it was meant to explore The Clone Wars at the time, George & Filoni’s TCW was also meant to be an extension of that original show but it ended up just being added to The EU as a Secondary Canon or C Canon over time. Now this is my more speculation approach To The Star Wars Multiverse with facts and opinions of what happened in it. The G-Canon which is George’s personal canon is episodes 1-6, his ideas and plans for 7-9 and his ideas of what came before the events of episode 1. Sometimes he includes The TCW(2008) show but while mostly a great masterpiece that show still has its own inconsistencies. He also originally included the (2003) clone wars show back during the run of the prequels and they still match a lot with the continuity of the films so they’re technically still canon but toward the later half of them like TCW has inconsistencies that can’t be un noticed. The EU is Universe Two of The Star Wars Multiverse where all the old iconic Star Wars books, games, and such come from and the events of the 2003 show coexist in this universe as well but the first two universes have a few events that co exist. Star Wars TCW (2008) from the end of season 5 -7 kinda branches off into the Disney canon timeline, as in George’s original vision Ahsoka would’ve died in Order 66, furthering Anakin’s fall to the Darkside so that happened in The G-Canon but in Pre Disney Canon when George was about to sell Star Wars To Disney Filoni made Ahsoka a survival arc because he was in the Ahsoka lives camp. Their are a few other things which cause inconsistencies by the end of season 5 to season 7 but I won’t get into that. That alternate timeline which lead to The Disney Canon continued with Star Wars Rebels and later Star Wars Resistance leading to the infamous Disney trilogy (famous if you like it.) So yeah we have three main universes. G-Canon, EU , & Disney Canon and a multitude of minor alternate timelines inbetween all of them.

Let's hope not! Hew's had a few questionable moments!

So am I. :/

At least that's Dooku must have said at the Confederacy's Senate.

Also, he never really liked Jedi younglings. When he joined the Order at the age of 9, many other padawans, who were raised up in the Temple kinda bullied him for coming from the outside world and being a slave... and he never had a chance for a comeback. I guessed he never could get that grudge against them to go away.

It was only crisis general when the general gave up power. Which wasnt all to often.