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@RGVAerialPhotography
@RGVAerialPhotography Год назад
Sorry wrong date 2023 not 2020
@firstduckofwellington6889
@firstduckofwellington6889 Год назад
Operating on Elon time?
@ErnestCF
@ErnestCF Год назад
Don't worry
@zphreak217
@zphreak217 Год назад
to be fair 2020 was a really long year.....
@Mallchad
@Mallchad Год назад
Old habits die hard huh? :D
@rtqii
@rtqii Год назад
Only three years off. That increases your credibility.
@bendobbing7015
@bendobbing7015 Год назад
For anyone wondering, SpaceX still don't plan on installing a flame trench. They've constructed giant steel plates for under the launch mount that will be water cooled to prevent the steel melting which should hold up significantly better. Next launch should be in 1-2 months but those are Elon's words so I can imagine we're looking at over 4 months atleast. If SpaceX manage to get the pad back into service in 2 months I'll be absolutely gobsmacked
@OversteerEngineer
@OversteerEngineer Год назад
Where can I see some pics of the plates?
@nickrobinson7096
@nickrobinson7096 Год назад
He’s only tweeted about them. No pics yet
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Год назад
The damage no doubt looks much worse than it is. Mostly the concrete has been blasted away which will be reasonably quick to fix and needed to be dug up anyway to install the deluge system. I think realistically it will be more than 2 months to get all the work done, after all the GSE tanks have also been damaged.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Год назад
The base mount foundation ring beam has been compromised - that will require a complete demolition and rebuild to replace it.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Год назад
@@schrodingerscat1863 You can’t patch structural concrete. You have to dig it out and replace it. The rebar has been ripped apart.
@alanjm1234
@alanjm1234 Год назад
The position of those fuel tanks seems crazy. Very fortunate they weren't completely destroyed.
@favesongslist
@favesongslist Год назад
Makes me worried about using steel under the pad, What would molten steel flying towards the tanks do?
@jeffw8057
@jeffw8057 Год назад
Actually...they might be destroyed from a functional perspective. The large dents might weaken the tank's integrity or interior linings.
@jackfrost3573
@jackfrost3573 Год назад
The tanks have an outer shell. There should be no damage to the internal tank. They have access doors too.
@mustang607
@mustang607 Год назад
May be a reason the law says the methane tanks have to be laying down instead of standing upright.
@GBHeiser
@GBHeiser Год назад
@@favesongslist you see what it did.
@BigBoneESB
@BigBoneESB Год назад
That was quite the concrete rich liftoff!
@mattc.310
@mattc.310 Год назад
Thanks for the photos. Aerial assets make a huge impact on what we know about many things. They were willing to go with stage 0 as it to make the April launch window. Now they, and we, know.
@element5377
@element5377 Год назад
i think the rocket dug the trench away from the tower and towards the ocean because the tower was obstructing the full and easy flow of exhaust gases. fluids always seek the easiest path.
@metalmachine4433
@metalmachine4433 Год назад
I'm a fan of spacex, but it's a bit unbelievable how no one predicted such damage starship's engines can cause. Flame diverter or water deluge system is super important to be built there
@jor7137
@jor7137 Год назад
Elon tweeted: "It might be a bad idea"
@blazemonger1
@blazemonger1 Год назад
Elon has both said the choice to not have a flame diverter may be a mistake (years ago) and that the deluge system is not yet completed (but they went anyway). Their data from static fires appeared to indicate they would be good, as it turn out that was not the case.. SpaceX is and remains to be a "push the button and see what happens" company though and so they wil l (probably very quickly) iterate and improve from here.
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Год назад
It would no doubt have been impossible to predict that the rocket exhaust would get under the concrete lifting it away. Modelling such extreme environments is often impossible because you never know all the possible failure modes up front. Concrete spalling was their main concern but this turned out to not be the ultimate mode of failure. This is why they do these tests to see what fails and how, make improvements then try again.
@CB-bi1be
@CB-bi1be Год назад
They did predict it. They said screw it and we will fix it later. Watch all the conferences and interviews. They knew it was not enough. Probably cheaper to let it get blasted away and then fix it later.
@cannonfodder6299
@cannonfodder6299 Год назад
I believe they realized how bad it would be, but decided that in order to make the changes necessary, it would need to be ripped up anyway. You can only make so many modifications before you need a new model.
@ThexBorg
@ThexBorg Год назад
They underestimated the force of the engines on the concrete. Going to have to make some big changes in Boca and Florida.
@jont4504
@jont4504 Год назад
I think Florida is on hold till Texas launches are ok. expect Florida parts to be moves too Texas
@archer1133
@archer1133 Год назад
@@jont4504 Florida on hold since NASA said they couldn't launch at 39A
@OneBiasedOpinion
@OneBiasedOpinion Год назад
That rocket is devastatingly powerful. We’re starting to hit that point in rocketry where new solutions are going to have to be found to combat this, because I highly doubt the traditional methods are gonna work on the Moon and beyond.
@egooidios5061
@egooidios5061 Год назад
Indeed. Maybe a suboptimal solution would be to have the engines higher up, in aircraft like nacelles? Imagine a ring of nacelles on the top side of booster, protruding from the craft. Offcourse all sorts of other problem would be caused by this, like exhaust gases impinging on the side of the rocket but still, what if?
@element5377
@element5377 Год назад
the side of the olm away from the tower took more foundation damage earlier. was trying to dig a flame trench. the damaged engines in the outer ring are all located over olm legs. debris bounced off the legs and up skirt into engines
@ZachAlanPhotography
@ZachAlanPhotography Год назад
That's exactly the same conclusion I came to as well, watching the launch on the SpaceX feed you could clearly see huge chunks of heavy debris being launched halfway back up the rocket before it even left the pad. It's a bummer because there's a decent chance the rocket could've made it all the way if not for the half baked launch platform.
@knowledgeisgood9645
@knowledgeisgood9645 Год назад
Great video Mauricio. You really work hard. I admire that a lot. 👍
@danieljckson
@danieljckson Год назад
Mind blowing damage! Stage 0 is wrecked! Mistakes were made!
@obersmith
@obersmith Год назад
i really dont know why they didnt build a flame diverter to begin with. They knew this one is more powerful than the saturn 5, and that launchpad had one, they could have gotten some data to see what damage if at all that caused back then. they should have known this will happen, i think this was an unnecessary destruction of infrastructure.
@archer1133
@archer1133 Год назад
They can't fit a flame diverter that close to the water table Edit: But yes, they could have raised everything when they started construction but they didn't have Raptor power levels nor engine count back then
@GroovyVideo2
@GroovyVideo2 Год назад
was like Giant Pressure Washer but with fire
@jessicakirsh
@jessicakirsh Год назад
Thank you, Mauricio! 🙏🙏
@chadjones2308
@chadjones2308 Год назад
Well this definitely cleared the way for them to do the flame diverter. Lol Don't really got to do a whole lot of digging now. But it was definitely a site to see and honestly I've been waiting to get pictures to see what stage zero looks like
@goodgremlinmedia2757
@goodgremlinmedia2757 Год назад
#mightaswelldoitnowtheholeisalreadydug.
@MrVanhovey
@MrVanhovey Год назад
@@goodgremlinmedia2757 And it was good to see how the engines might stand up to a Mars landing.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Год назад
@@MrVanhovey NOT... I think they're gonna have to use elevated engines for landings, on the Moon AND on Mars. The stuff you see in movies is pure scifi. This problem will never go away until we invent the repulsor lift.
@raptor2265
@raptor2265 Год назад
They unfortunately can't dig down that deep - they're not all that far up above the water table, making underground trenches a hassle. It's the reason why LC-39A and 39B at Cape Canaveral are built up on man-made hills; rather than digging down to build a trench, which would be flooded and have all sorts of other problems, instead they built up.
@chadjones2308
@chadjones2308 Год назад
@@raptor2265 oh okay That makes more sense. Well then it's definitely going to be interesting to see what they do. Cuz clearly what is going on now doesn't seem like it's going to work. The damage that has been posted it looks pretty bad clearly the tank farm is way too close
@thefowlyetti2
@thefowlyetti2 Год назад
No surprise it would make such a mess. I don't know what they were thinking. The launch mount needs to be at least double the height above the concrete to have any chance.
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Consider that they are looking for simpler launch pad solutions than what government space programs consider standard... Radically simpler. And these thrust numbers are going where nobody has gone before, we should note. So results from physics simulation may have quite large an error for the unusual conditions. They go and test, first principles. Test to destruction is a thing. Before a destructive test, engineers think that the piece will get destroyed. Can't rule out that that's exactly what most of them were thinking.
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 Год назад
Double teh hight isn't nearly enough to get the pad out of the high pressure exhasut... its hard to tell how long it is because its nearly invisible but its much longer than double the hight of the current launch mount. In any case they just need a pad base that can take the heat and that is all... they don't need a full deep diverter or deluge system.
@jackdbur
@jackdbur Год назад
​@@Wingnut353 the deluge system parts are already at starbase and were installed during the construction of the Cape tower.
@happycamperinc.
@happycamperinc. Год назад
B7 be like - if i am going down i am taking everyone with me.
@MC-xt6xf
@MC-xt6xf Год назад
Those sea launches are looking more attractive now….😮
@slimj091
@slimj091 Год назад
I think we're gonna need a bigger boat.
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 Год назад
You guys are a crucial piece of the puzzle for all of us. Thank you so much.
@imensonspionrona2117
@imensonspionrona2117 Год назад
3rd world countries don't have the monies for flame trench. It was always going to be a once off. The exhaust flames turned out to be two times more dangerous (and longer) than the rocket itself!
@pankakelovers1
@pankakelovers1 Год назад
Thank you RGV....
@mustang607
@mustang607 Год назад
Guaranteed excitement delivered.
@PolluxPavonis
@PolluxPavonis Год назад
If you look at the launch mount first time, without knowing what happened, you couldnt tell if the rocket cleared the pad or exploded at liftoff LOL Amazing footage, fascinating stuff.
@Group_Anonymous
@Group_Anonymous Год назад
Huh?
@rtqii
@rtqii Год назад
What???
@raptor2265
@raptor2265 Год назад
If it exploded at liftoff, the entire launch complex would be gone. When the soviet N-1 exploded, it completely obliterated the launch complex, and only about 1/4 of the fuel actually combusted. Starship is FAR larger than the N1, so it would have been akin to a low-yield tactical nuke going off.
@egooidios5061
@egooidios5061 Год назад
Starhopper still standing, the indestructible! They should move it in a museum eventually!
@chet3louisiana558
@chet3louisiana558 Год назад
The damage is huge in more ways than one. Not only will the pad need to be stronger and higher, the tower itself will possibly be required to be higher. Then if the tower is higher it might need to be wider to increase strength.
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Solutions with plating and deluge, won't we consider those first? There's plenty of ways to strengthen the foundation, first of all. The picture clearly shows that only the connecting beams contained rebar. The rest of the surface was just plates that flew away. Quite obvious that you could add rebar everywhere. Pour it in one piece. Add thickness.
@chet3louisiana558
@chet3louisiana558 Год назад
@@u1zha I'm looking at the concrete sections of slab that were blown away. I think they are a couple/few feet thick. This controlled explosion is incredibly strong. I'm no engineer but I'd think deflectors will be required, and with deflectors requires more height. I hope you're right with your easier solution.
@jackdbur
@jackdbur Год назад
​@@chet3louisiana558 There are many ways to solve this problem you could dig in flame tubes as ICBM's use or just a flame ramp maybe enough.
@cratecruncher6687
@cratecruncher6687 Год назад
It appears once the blast pierced the concrete under the OLM there was only soft sand underneath allowing a whole section of the pavement to be lifted away nearly 100 feet away from the center of the blast (1:38).
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Pavement flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the slab in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
@darrenhatch8301
@darrenhatch8301 Год назад
I think they will have to build a flame diverter for this. It is amazing the power of the booster engines, but I also think they were expecting this to happen so they could plan accordingly. The next lift off will be one to watch.
@LostFart
@LostFart Год назад
Yeah if they can build a flame diverter on on Earth, why cant they build one on Mars?
@Head-ck4hu
@Head-ck4hu Год назад
They're going to have to raise the pad and Mechazilla. If you dig more than 10 feet below the concrete you hit water.
@sam23696
@sam23696 Год назад
Their plan is a water cooled steel plate and water deluge system. We'll see how badly that breaks next launch. I'm just amazed that they nearly got into orbit with a half broken rocket. That is the real historical moment honestly.
@LostFart
@LostFart Год назад
@@sam23696 Lol that doesn't sound like a great plan. Yeah that is seriously amazing.
@randyschreiner7807
@randyschreiner7807 Год назад
@@sam23696 Well unfortunately they didn't really get close to orbit if you check the vehicle velocity and altitude.
@jamesreid8523
@jamesreid8523 Год назад
This is why you need a Flame Deflector !!!
@wally7856
@wally7856 Год назад
No Flame Deflector, Flame Deflector's are for sissies!
@OwnGrid
@OwnGrid Год назад
They really built a monster, but it was massive oversight to not make sufficient mitigation; they don't call controlled explosion for no reason, and it was obivous from the mere seconds test that kept destroying the pad
@EverydayRoadster
@EverydayRoadster Год назад
It is by purpose, to learn for takeoff from Moon or Mars.
@kingghidorah5213
@kingghidorah5213 Год назад
​@@EverydayRoadster that doesn't make sense, as from moon or mars, only the upper stage will take off and land which only has three raptor engines and can't be compared to the super heavy.
@OwnGrid
@OwnGrid Год назад
​@@EverydayRoadster The moon ship is designed differently because the regolith is a nightmare that you don't want to wake up, and mars is very much just a dream, so if they get there safely by that time this ship will already be absolute probably in more ways than you can imagine
@GrindHouseBlues83
@GrindHouseBlues83 Год назад
@@EverydayRoadster The Lunar variant isn’t going to use Raptors to land or take off from the moon. It’s going to use a ring of thrusters near the nose.
@markanderson3201
@markanderson3201 Год назад
thank you for this view of the works. Quite something to see the power of 33 raptors at work. Keep up the good work and look forward to the next video as well, your shows are so informational to watch.
@MCRuCr
@MCRuCr Год назад
I think a launchpad made out of thick steel plates could actually work. Concrete is too brittle of a material and will crumble into pieces under extreme vibrations. Steel on the other hand is very ductile and heat resistant, thats why the rebar and metal structures are still there
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 Год назад
and if it has water behind it... it won't overheat during the few seconds it needs to withstand the rockets heat.
@Powertampa
@Powertampa Год назад
Molten metal everywhere, yay says brother hydrogen
@StarBaseFR
@StarBaseFR Год назад
Awesome, thanks for sharing! Can't wait for tomorrow's live stream for more pictures :)
@nlo114
@nlo114 Год назад
Wow! As soon as the concrete under the rocket melted, the hot exhaust got under the concrete slabs and blew them away like confetti in a hurricane.
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Slabs flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the foundation in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
@MrWolfstar8
@MrWolfstar8 Год назад
They think it cracked, not melted. You can see by the lack damage to the steel that temps was not that high.
@imconsequetau5275
@imconsequetau5275 Год назад
​@@MrWolfstar8 Concur
@ridhasaadaoui8499
@ridhasaadaoui8499 Год назад
Frankly, the starship for me will become the safest rocket in the world once the flame deflector and the water deluge are operational, you saw the launch pad in what a disastrous state, the concrete and iron armor plates flew with the starship it was the apocalypse in bocachica, and the starship as if nothing had happened took off to overtake MaxQ, it made a right and left loops, the structure held, it made several loops, before being destroyed, another rocket would have exploded on stage zero, bravo spaceX, good job.
@aaronscottmatthews7883
@aaronscottmatthews7883 Год назад
Great vid I appreciate that parting shot of Hopper
@stuartbrown1677
@stuartbrown1677 Год назад
Brilliant photography and feedback , thank you Stuart in Ireland ☘️
@jamesowens7176
@jamesowens7176 Год назад
Wow! They're going to be rebuilding that for a WHILE!
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Depends if the piling is damaged. Otherwise I think they can get it redone stronger (more monolithic? more rebar?) in quite a short time, just like after the static fire damage.
@imconsequetau5275
@imconsequetau5275 Год назад
It mostly takes time to assemble the thick rebar mats before pouring the concrete. Much of that work can be done off to the side while excavators contour the base layers.
@blakedsm
@blakedsm Год назад
Thank you so much, RGV! 🚀
@DropBear69
@DropBear69 Год назад
Thanks RGV for getting up there so quickly. Waiting anxiously for more pics...
@jason_m_schmidt622
@jason_m_schmidt622 Год назад
Thank you RGV 😊
@edwardsummey8843
@edwardsummey8843 Год назад
Thank you for your tireless work!
@AndrewEddie
@AndrewEddie Год назад
To say SpaceX completely underestimated the forces during liftoff is an understatement. On the other hand, the launch essentially "dug" the flame trench that needs to be designed for the pad. A lot of rethinking about Stage 0 to be had.
@M_IkeLeBlanc
@M_IkeLeBlanc Год назад
Thank you for the great footage!
@geekthesteve6215
@geekthesteve6215 Год назад
Some elements in the design worked well and others did not. I suggest they (SpaceX) will be focusing on what worked and build on those design ideas and will avoid the elements that did not work so well, or will mitigate or will redesign to strengthen them. The trolls that just offer "they didn't design it right" offer no original thoughts and their idea of innovation is to do it just like it was done 50+ years ago. If they were commenting on the automotive industry they would be advocating that we all drive model T's because to try anything else would be too risky. Mauricio, thanks for the pics and thanks for flying and trying to get shots in between clouds!
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist Год назад
BEST COMMENT on this vide, honestly every person on here that is negavite and no real solutions and just puts the whole team of engineers down is honestly for real, disgusting to see and like i love how you give the best comment on here and like that is what everyone should be thinking.
@shirolee
@shirolee Год назад
Thank you so much for making this video!
@aa-lg8go
@aa-lg8go Год назад
Excellent shots.
@davidb6576
@davidb6576 Год назад
Thanks for this, the before and after images are impressive!
@paulpark1170
@paulpark1170 Год назад
Well, it looks like the Starship launch pad at Cape Canaveral will have to be redesigned big time.
@jordanlarson6488
@jordanlarson6488 Год назад
My thoughts exactly.
@pietervaneeden2370
@pietervaneeden2370 Год назад
Awesome pics! Thanks a lot for sharing
@JeremyDWilliamsOfficial
@JeremyDWilliamsOfficial Год назад
Thank you! Great shots despite difficult conditions.
@Pico_444
@Pico_444 Год назад
It literally removed entire slabs of concrete. Holy shit!
@jgrenwod
@jgrenwod Год назад
Thank fur the before and after. Really pots it into perspective.
@chuck7299
@chuck7299 Год назад
Thank you for your service!
@MarkSmith-wj5bp
@MarkSmith-wj5bp Год назад
All that hard work ripped apart in seconds by the raptors.
@SynthOSphere
@SynthOSphere Год назад
33x 🦾
@scottgaree7667
@scottgaree7667 Год назад
Clever girls!
@JFJ12
@JFJ12 Год назад
It may be said it is a wonder the rocket managed to escape this inferno of smoke and dust and concrete blocks ejecting hundred meters into the sky and that it didn't blow up with the whole launchpad installation and the tankfarm.
@officialspaceefrain
@officialspaceefrain Год назад
In my mind it was the mother of all stress tests. Jesus.
@Antares2
@Antares2 Год назад
@@officialspaceefrain It wasn't. It was sheer luck that the rocket didn't fall back down on the ramp and ruin the whole site. And next time, it might... fingers crossed.
@kennybevan11
@kennybevan11 Год назад
​@Antares2 that's probably why the rocket crabbed sideways right after launch. If something did happen, it wouldn't fall directly onto the OLM
@EddyKorgo
@EddyKorgo Год назад
guess they are testing Starships rigidity plus, functionality.
@Cobalt135
@Cobalt135 Год назад
@@Antares2 Whatever. Just because your screen name'd rocket had a turbopump failure and did it on the Orb-3 mission does not mean it is sheer luck that everyone else's rockets don't do the same.... 3 Falcon9 flights since 2012 have had an engine prematurely fail during ascent and all the primary missions were accomplished. Starship lost 3 engines by 12 seconds into flight probably due to debris, and 2 more engines thereafter. Lost 5 engines total and it still delivered the 2nd stage to its intended separation point.
@AdmiralPreparedness
@AdmiralPreparedness Год назад
I would not doubt that the FAA accident review board pulls SpaceX launch licence to ensure launch pad flame diverters are installed with water deluge is included before any future flights leave that pad.
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist Год назад
why dont you just shut it honestly there people
@Jeeptalkshow
@Jeeptalkshow Год назад
You hear the numbers, about the power on each engine, and the number of them running at once, but it does not prepare you for the amazing power that is really coming out!
@jimbrohn2100
@jimbrohn2100 Год назад
Great Job !👍 Thank You for the best picures I've seen👀so far !!!!! 👍
@patrickjack2943
@patrickjack2943 Год назад
A lot of excellent data that will contribute to a successful landing pad build on Mars !
@catbertz
@catbertz Год назад
I always bought the suggestion that they couldn't dig trenches due to swamp-like soil conditions, which is true to a degree, just like at Cape Canaveral. Having said that, looking at the deep hole under the mount, they might be able to dig out trenches in several directions to help direct the energy from this monster. I'm not convinced that a deluge only approach will cut it, so I'm very interested in how they proceed.
@HunterAtheist
@HunterAtheist Год назад
I'm not sure what they were thinking. Any simulation of this launch would have told them that the exhaust gases would destroy the pad.
@isaac_ayling
@isaac_ayling Год назад
Same here, I feel a flame diverter of some kind is needed because I feel if they go for a deluge only it will end the same way
@catbertz
@catbertz Год назад
@@HunterAtheist I saw something from Elon, maybe a tweet, that he thought the pad survived pretty well during the recent static fire, and he and the team thought the pad should hold up to ONE launch...lol. That was an unfortunate miscalculation.
@HunterAtheist
@HunterAtheist Год назад
@@catbertz We all know Elon is an investor, not an inventor or and engineer. He comes up with ideas and people listen. People that know better, but go along with him because he has power to end their careers if they don't listen. Space X could do a lot better with different leadership, imo.
@gas33z
@gas33z Год назад
@@HunterAtheist Be careful, statements like that are considered the highest degree of heresy in these circles
@TeslaRebuilders
@TeslaRebuilders Год назад
This is unbelievable the damage done by Starship, glad I got to see it one week before the devastation! Can't wait to see the next flyover of the launch site with better pictures.
@Klaatu-ij9uz
@Klaatu-ij9uz Год назад
Excellent coverage! Going forward, I'm wondering what the SpaceX community will decide to do in re-building the launch pad structures. Yes, the Starship could have exploded just prior to lift-off which would have made this present damage look like a picnic. Sadly, I would give the rest of 2023 for SpaceX to re-build the Boca Chica launch facility.
@mdcannon1974
@mdcannon1974 Год назад
Thanks!
@dksaevs
@dksaevs Год назад
Well on the bright side the new flame diverter trench is partially dug out.
@blastfiendsunite420
@blastfiendsunite420 Год назад
I can't wait to hear from Zack, I sure hope he's okay. I can tell this really got to him. If you read this Zack, love ya man, keep your head up!
@sabriel1969
@sabriel1969 Год назад
Thank you for this view. Considering what just took place, the damage could have been a whole lot worse. Star hopper, the immortal, at the end….. priceless!
@queazocotal
@queazocotal Год назад
This is simply amazing. I can't imagine that that is under 2000 tons of concrete and infill shot up to hundreds of meters away.
@arseniyseleznovveroboj1571
@arseniyseleznovveroboj1571 Год назад
Гарна робота за декілька років, Маурісіо!!
@diraziz396
@diraziz396 Год назад
Thanks M.
@craneman2201
@craneman2201 Год назад
this is a really good idea, History recorded!!
@pacoperez2201
@pacoperez2201 Год назад
Impresionante Mauricio me estoy recuperando😮
@runningray
@runningray Год назад
I am still cracking up over Musk saying they will fly in a month or two. Like no man, this is gonna take the rest of the year. See you in 2024.
@grogman1911
@grogman1911 Год назад
Thanks. These pictures were enlightening as to How not to layout and build a launching facility.
@MrWolfstar8
@MrWolfstar8 Год назад
It’s testing facility. They’re expecting things not to work and to break. Losing the tower would have been a major disaster, but the launch mount itself isn’t nearly as hard to fix.
@grogman1911
@grogman1911 Год назад
Right. Testing the machine(rocket). Finding out what works or doesn't work. Disregard for years of rocketry experience is ludicrous. Building a proper launch/testing mount with flame trench should've been done from the get go.
@MrWolfstar8
@MrWolfstar8 Год назад
@@grogman1911 sigh, more midwit crap. Stage zero is the most expensive part of Starship and they’re trying to reduce costs. SpaceX got the worlds only low cost reusable rocket working by testing the shit out of lower cost solutions to the issues involved. They’re doing the same with starship. Flame trenches are extremely expensive. If you can build a launch facility without one there’s a large cost savings. Sure it’s costly to test new designs but testing such designs is how you ultimately reduce costs. Otherwise you just end up launch rockets like SLS, a rocket so costly that it can only be flown once every 2 years.
@grogman1911
@grogman1911 Год назад
@@MrWolfstar8 Sure, proper planning, engineering and construction would've alleviated this issue for stage zero. Instead, just ignore good engineering recommendations and delay the whole shooting match. He is damn lucky that there wasn't a bleve.
@Ikann1
@Ikann1 Год назад
Well this pretty much proves everyone right that has been saying for years that they need a flame diverter. Elon is saying 2 months till next flight... but this is gonna take longer than that to get this all repaired.
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist
@M_Lopez_3D_Artist Год назад
so what? your not working there? who cares what you say honestly, they will change and adapt like they do, so shut your negativity man you have a negative life
@jeffnewcomb601
@jeffnewcomb601 Год назад
There should be a "love" button for what you do for us rocket faithful.
@chrisloeffler4366
@chrisloeffler4366 Год назад
cool thanks for sharing
@roberttherrien352
@roberttherrien352 Год назад
Minimum delay to next launch at least 6 months . More, if they change approach to Stage 0.
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 Год назад
We should all appreciate how lucky we got. The pair of engines that cut out were away from the tower side making it lean that way on lift off. If it did that starting translation toward the tower and just touched it, it would have opened the tank like it was made of tissue paper and the whole thing would have fell right there on top of the QD, Worst case scenario. Or the translation was part of the flight plan and im just talking about nothing lol but i thought your explanation of why it should try to come straight up out of the pad was a very well founded. Do we recall how deep those main legs go into the ground? 60 feet or something?
@kevinstory872
@kevinstory872 Год назад
its really amazing any rocket engines were working after that. truly incredible. also, this would not be an issue with ocean based launches im guessing.
@chrisoconnell8432
@chrisoconnell8432 Год назад
The launch pad exploding on you wouldn't be an issue, but many other issues would crop up. Mainly the issue is fuelly the rocket. Not easy to refill a tank farm out in the ocean. Would need to perfect the technology to created methane from air and water before that could be viable.
@imconsequetau5275
@imconsequetau5275 Год назад
Ocean based launches might direct the enormous sound into the water and permanently deafen or kill sea life. The offshore stage 0 design should deflect the noise generally upwards. Along with concentric air bubble curtains to decouple the energy.
@Real28
@Real28 Год назад
Starhopper: YEEAAHHHH THAT WAS AWESOMEEEE!!! DO IT AGAINNNN!!!!
@BloodSweatandGears
@BloodSweatandGears Год назад
Holy crap, @2:30 the dent in one of the tanks at the tank farm is humongous!
@EritoKaio
@EritoKaio Год назад
Let's pay our respects for all the cameras that were on that no-longer-placed railing next to Star Hopper. F
@trails3597
@trails3597 Год назад
Great photos. Do you think they got the rocket right? It would of probably performed nominally but for the OLM.
@stevej7139
@stevej7139 Год назад
Nice views, thanks a lot ! I'm still amazed at how much cement was just blown away like cardboard. Seeing big chunks of cement that must weigh a ton flying up in the air was absolutely insane, part of me is glad I wasn't able to make it down in time for this launch, having sand rain down on me isn't something I actually want and from what I hear that was a thing.
@ketelin4285
@ketelin4285 Год назад
I'm more amazed that they built that wonderful beast of a rocket and missed this disaster of a pad system .I guess only wishing for "no trench required" is not enough .Now what they have is a mixed bad .. a good rocket but a disastruous base when Musk wanted to get rid of that booster to test the next one . Anyway good job .
@devlinwalters7650
@devlinwalters7650 Год назад
Phew,what a blowout!!!
@ampeg187
@ampeg187 Год назад
Dude that is some serious damage, we won't see a starship launch for quite some time now possibly even for a half a year. They really need to make some sort of flame diverter or came up with some new solution. I don't think water cooled steel pads will do the trick on a long run.
@m1shuC
@m1shuC Год назад
The orbital launch table and tower look surprisingly well, they just need to figure out the concrete and ground part which I have no doubt they're well capable of doing, I'm optimistic
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Год назад
They announced that a water cooled heavy steal shield is going to be put over the concrete along with a water deluge system.
@m1shuC
@m1shuC Год назад
@@schrodingerscat1863 I know, they already had solutions even before the test flight, now they have even more data on how those insanely powerful engines affect Stage 0. Something hard to simulate other than actually launching the rocket
@LG-ct8tw
@LG-ct8tw Год назад
OK boys, clean that up, get ready! Boss said next in one hour!
@Akumetsu02
@Akumetsu02 Год назад
The amount of flying concrete, I wonder how much damage there is on the tank farm. You could see spray of concrete falling into the sea during takeoff, crazy! Awesome, but crazy :D
@pipersall6761
@pipersall6761 Год назад
Thank you! Wow, the pad sure took a beating, along with everything else. Amazing in all their engineering expertise they thought they didnt need to put in a flame diverter or deluge system for the worlds most powerful rocket. Probably will now!
@patricktracy1966
@patricktracy1966 Год назад
Replace the word "they" with one guys name. He doesn't design the rockets, but he does interfere with things like the normal flame management Space X Engineers would have had in place if they were allowed to.
@imconsequetau5275
@imconsequetau5275 Год назад
The next attempt will be an array of parallel rectangular pipes welded into a flat matt. Water cooled and covering a new concrete base.
@garthbews4863
@garthbews4863 Год назад
well great shots as always ..ty..lets hope the mounts ok and this just removal of grade beam to put scoop diverter out to sea.
@KaiseruSoze
@KaiseruSoze Год назад
OLM is officially painted into corner. Or build a mound - a really big one with a built in flame diverter pointing away from the tank farm and mechazilla. And then put the OLM on top of the mound. Easy peezy.
@paulpark1170
@paulpark1170 Год назад
As they say, you learn from your mistakes….this will take many months. Also, not sure if FAA or EPA will grant them a license as per previous protocol or will demand much stricter requirements
@johndoepker7126
@johndoepker7126 Год назад
Totally incredible, the power that was unleashed !!! Looks like the "2 weeks" thing needs to be upgraded to "2 months" 😂 but seriously......I got a shopvac an a buffer if they wanna borrow them...!
@goodgremlinmedia2757
@goodgremlinmedia2757 Год назад
The launch mount shielding really did its job and then some
@EverydayRoadster
@EverydayRoadster Год назад
StarHopper still standing strong. 💪
@BlunderMunchkin
@BlunderMunchkin Год назад
Well, it did have a lot of cladding blown off it.
@quarrycliff
@quarrycliff Год назад
Note to designers: The launch pad is not rapidly reusable. Conclusion: Starship Program Achilles Heel identified - in anatomically and metaphorically congruous location. General Personal Observations: 1. I was surprised that the concrete shrapnel munition that was created didn’t shred the tank farm. 2. It never pays to try to save money on your foundations or damage mitigation/protection systems. 3. In this case it likely contributed to heavy adjacent infrastructure and, who knows, maybe ship damage during liftoff. 4. It definitely already has damaged the schedule for running the other rapidly prototyped horses already chomping at their bits in the barn.
@Wingnut353
@Wingnut353 Год назад
That is the thing though... the launch pad itself is a stage, and you need to stop thinking otherwise, there will be a bunch of them and after they are designed they won't be changed too drastically because of certification reasons and this is the time to do crazy stuff with stage zero...
@techraan2160
@techraan2160 Год назад
Do we have a read on how bad off the OLM is? Like, the plumbing and the clamps and such?
@Gadget0343
@Gadget0343 Год назад
WOW! Did not know those huge concrete blocks got uprooted and blown away. They can't have that.
@u1zha
@u1zha Год назад
Yeah, I was a bit surprised it wasn't a thick monolithic pour. Blocks flying has quite an obvious solution, pour the slab in one piece. With rebar. And more thickness.
@imconsequetau5275
@imconsequetau5275 Год назад
The concrete will need expansion/contraction joints, and those seams will need telescoping bars that hold the sections together. Nothing new, but scaled up to withstand Super-heavy. [If you want to omit seams, hold a monolithic slab together with post tensioned cables.]
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