Couple things: -I talked about how the Tamaraneans wear little clothing but didn't note that they also absorb ultraviolet radiation though their skin, which enables them to fly and sustain themselves. They also learn new languages through skin-to-skin contact. -I called the CN version of Starfire "kinda controversial" because some fans dislike the changes, when a better to way it would've been "a few people here and there dislike it" because it really isn't a big issue from what I've seen.
If I remember correctly from the New Teen Titans comic, it's not languages that they learn through contact it's actually just knowledge. Language being what she needed to learn when she grabbed Robin (she was also simply attracted to him) so that's what she got. Honestly, it was a shortcut for the writer (Marv Wolfman) and he never touched on it again in the series since it's a bit of a broken ability for Starfire to just grab people and know stuff about them.
@@StormKoriHQ They believe Starfire to be a IRL black woman. At one point in time Kori was inspired by Naomi Campbell which I believe was for the Red Hood Starfire, hence the colorist comments.
Im happy that you talked about the fan service design. Female characters can show off skin but it also comes to a point where you ask your self how is this practical and it just becomes exesively skimpy outfit.
Yeah, superman should showoff too. He absorbs sunlight through his skin and the best way is to go fully naked. Let clark show his kent too. It's unfair that only the girls get to be half naked, give the ladies some eye candy too
@@youtubestudiosucks978 lol sure. Honestly despite me complaining about the fan service I like the single piece bodysuit design. It covers up enough while showing off a part of what makes Starfire her orange skin and her Tamaranians heritage. As to why they never went with a Superman who shows skin I suspect it comes down to Superman coming from a farm. It doesn't justify not giving him a design that shows skin but Superman has been pretty much the same design wise from day 1.
@@allstarwoo4 supernan should show skin because he comes from a farm, many male farmers go shirtless during the summer heat and superman absorbs sunlight through his skin so he should be comfortable enough to expose at least his upper body, it's not like extreme cold weather has any negative effect on him. Superman doesnt need to show his abs, he's required to show his super abs, otherwise it's blatant sexism for the male gaze and limiting comics to only male fans not only limits the amount of people who pay for and love to read comics, which that in turn limits the dating market for people who are really into comics, and we already live in a society where nearly every hobby is divided by genders, it's a small step but any subtle change to remove that gap might help for the bigger steps where most might start to like men hobbies like videogames and see the use in playing them instead of breaking their significant others ps5 the moment they argue for the first time in their relationship. Women already want to do male stuff but thanks to certain things being limited by gender exclusivity they feel confused and pressured to try and be hostile at the mere thought of liking the same things their men like to do, making them further disconnected to each other needs, men like to relax with a comic and videogame after a long day of nobody caring how they feel, imagine somebody finally caring caring because they share the same hobbies enough to at least connect and understand the issues of fictional characters enough to see the similarities in stories told to feel that your boyfriend shares similair struggles just because nobody cares about they feel. Sometimes all it takes to understand each other is a small step to make way for bigger steps and i'm sick and tired of this gender war our society has
@@kingsbay1 She never looked particularly alien, she looked like an orange woman with impossibly long hair. I still love that design, but the only massive difference in her design is the amount of skin she showed. I honestly get the impression that you're just sad she isn't as sexy anymore. I do agree about the cuteness, but cuteness is subjective.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 I know there is a bit of subjective, but she didn't look like all the other female characters, even ignoring the costume. Now she looks cookie cutter.
That 2015 costume looks like it was heavily inspired by her cartoon network design. I like it when you can see the lineage and inspiration in certain designs.
The reason Tamaraneans wear so little clothing has two points to it. The first, and most important, is that they store energy from the sun that allows them to fly through their skin. The second, and Starfire remarked on this a few times, is that sunlight on their bare skin simply feels good to them. One of the issues Starfire had early on in New Teen Titans is that her culture has no taboos about nudity, probably due to them being a race of sunbathers, essentially. A lot of the fanbase and the writers of the cartoon took her behavior as a sign of "innocence". She wasn't "innocent" she was ignorant. She knew nothing about the culture she was in. Honestly, Starfire was the least "innocent" of the Titans when she first appeared. Her original origin was far darker and more traumatic than even Raven's. When she landed on earth she'd just escaped six years of slavery caused by her sister. So, she'd been a slave since she was twelve years old and this happened after she'd spent her early childhood in Marine boot camp supervised by a bunch of aliens who taught her to have fighting skills on par with some of DC's best hand to hand fighters. Probably the only thing that allowed her to survive all this was the simple fact that Tamaraneans don't suppress their emotions. Their aliens and they don't think or feel like humans, something Marv Wolfman wanted to make very clear about Starfire early on but somehow got turned in to this "she's so sweet and innocent" thing later on. People tend to forget that Starfire also took a while to understand why she couldn't just kill anybody that she got in a fight with. That last point is why it took so long for her and Robin to get together.
So does superman and he wears a full bodysuit. If you're going to use the absorbing sunlight logic then you cant pick and choose on who to enforce it when there are multiple characters who absorb sunlight too. Superman should go in just a speedo or shorts to show-off his supermember
This is insightful, thank you. And for the response above, I don't think Superman is Tamaraneans. Sure both species absorb sun light but it seems like sunlight is more vital to the Tamaraneans cause it's their main source of energy intake. While Superman utilizes sun light to empower his strength, something that isn't strictly required but still necessary though.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 You didn't read my whole post. I said Tamaraneans are scantily clad mostly just because sunlight feels good on their skin. Also, Supes isn't same kind of alien and he's got the morals of a boy from rural Kansas, not an alien culture that embraces following your emotions regardless of the consequences 😜
@@katnerd6712 why do you fear a naked superman? Crime rates would go down significantly if supes was nude. Nobody wants to touch a naked dude and nobody wants to be touched by them. People wil stop doing crime because otherwise they'll see a naked dude flying at them.
Same on both choices; I miss NTT Kory characterization and arc (her philosophy on violence was more complex- she doesn’t shy from war but importantly always prefers peace & eventually decides not to kill anymore. She never fights with her friends, and her innocence isn’t naïveté but a belief in loving w/o cynicism). Post-Wolfman at least Post-Crisis, that characterization got flattened to “kind warrior w/ anger issues” & it’s annoying
For real! I think her poofy big 70s/80s hair looks the best, it gives alien vibes cause it's so voluminous and the comet trail it leaves looks cool. There's already so many straight haired characters, bring her back!
Maybe it's because CN TT was my intro to the TT, but I love her CN design! It's warm, expressive, and still built enough that her strength is fully believable.
My biggest complaint with her design is that they never drew her with a navel in the Teen Titans cartoon. It's just one of those small details that have to be done in my mind.
I want one that leans more into the space alien warrior even more. Some of the designs looked inspired by DBZ and I want them to really lean into it but not too hard and mix it up with more Red Sonja. More armored, almost like how the 80s depicted a female barbarian but more covered up
In my honest opinion, her NTT/80s design is wayyyy better than any other design she’s gotten. She’s also had more covered up looks in the 80s teen titans run like that one look where she has the tank top and pants on and even that manages to be better than everything on this list besides the original
I LOVED this in depth analysis of WHY the costume works/doesn’t work and you explained the whole idea of the character so concisely. Please make more of these with some more characters!
My personal favourite is the NTT one, I feel like it really captures the core aspects of her personality and overall being. Kory is very expressive with her emotions but also with her sexuality, it's something I love so much about her that I feel no one;s managed to do right in decades. She LIKES showing skin (other than it being practical due to her powers) and in NTT and later stories it felt very normal and not oversexualizing, yeah she's sexy and hot but in a very different way from the New 52, where her sexuality is purely for fanservice rather than being part of her character.
As a kid Starfire had me the first time I saw the original comic book character . She was tall ,strong , a dark skinned red maned proud to be Alien warrior princess and so different than what was going on in the comics at that time. On each version since she becomes more whitewashed and dumbed down for kids eventually resulting in the recent Teen Titans Go parody of the Alien valley girl fish out of water
Most of her main designs you mentioned are among the best I think. NTT, 2015 and Rebirth are probably my top 3. Though I'll always have a soft spot for most of the TV series designs. Storm's my 2nd favorite Marvel character behind Spider-Man and StarFire's probably top 10 for DC so I think you for sure got good taste in superheroes!
I never knew about the Red Sonja inspiration, but you really do see it in the Perez art! It seems the warrior aspect had gotten lost over the years and the metal elements of the design got lumped in with the alien aspect. The traditional looking bracers became sleek and shiny, more sci-fi. I never realized I liked them until you pointed them out. Anyways, great video. I know you’re literally named StormKori HQ, but it’d be cool to see some more character design analysis.
wow crazy that Starfire was partially inspired on a puertorrican dancer, i´ve always got that vibe from her, to be more specific i´ve always found her look alike Angela Bofill, a puertorrican/cuban singer from the 70s and 80s, especially her beautiful facial features
injustice 2 starfire is the one i think about now as the best because imo its the closest to the og one when it comes to everything. its kinda what i hope another live action starfire will look like one day.
aside from new 52 imo any depiction where she has big long fiery curly hair and solid green eyes without pupils is the best look they can go for, it stays true to the original while also giving her unique and iconic features
My personal favorite is the 3rd most iconic look, her reboot look within the Old 52 line. It’s sleek, sexy, and doesn’t have TOO much coverage, but also doesn’t have too little like the New Teen Titans look. It’s right in the middle. I also love her cartoon look as a close second.
Also one thing about her appearance i love (that sadly gets nerfed the more modern we get), is how tall she is. I think her and Cyborg were the tallest in the Titans, Dick was definitely shorter than her. I love her tall she is, its so nice to see a tall woman still treated as beautiful and desirable!
Honestly the story of the Teen Titans and especially Koriand’r is so good in my eyes that it deserves it’s own Spiderverse or Arcane like animated TV show or set of movies. I hope that DC can create something like that in the future. That and Dick and Kori give me alittle bit of Gwen and Miles vibes especially after the recent movie. Point is if they were to make something along the lines of Spiderverse and Arcane for the Titans or Starfire, they better make it as deep as those two stories are. Especially if you use Arcane as an example.
As someone who does like Kori in New 52, I agree her main outfit needs some tweaks for it to be great. I know Kori's whole thing is showing a lot of skin for her powers but DAMN. I mean, as a fellow Starfire simp I was eating that up but- I personally like a lot of the more casual outfit they gave her in New 52, they all look gorgeous on her (kinda, the bikini outfit was eh) but I think the main suit needed something to pull it all together and make it look better. I think a way to do this would be to connect the collar and the plates attached to her chest, making it more of a revealing crop top then a collar and a bit covering her chest. I don't know, that's just my opinion :) I still love her in Red Hood and the Outlaws though.
Her Justice League Odyssey design is easily my favorite. It's the perfect mix between her NTT and more modern designs and the gold accents work amazingly. It also really gives the regal warrior vibes that I feel the modern versions often lack
Look I don’t read comics, but goddamn I didn’t know they got down like they did with that new 52 outfit lmao. That’s crazy for what I assumed were all just aimed at kids for the most part
I don't mind as long as her lines are predominantly straight and parallel, with sharp angles and low ribcage, low waist line and hips, with big torso, wider breast, long limbs with tense, yet lean muscular appearance, large facial proportions, while still possessing an innocent look. In real life, she would more like Ana Hickmann, less like Gal Gadot.
I started with StarFire in her 1980s look. I was like 6 reading all these old school comics and Starfire was one of my favorites in DC. Look before I was interested in Wonder Woman. Always liked Starfire. Thanks to my Mom's friend giving me all his old DC comics when I was a kid. And read them all. SO back in the 80s I was always into reading comics at a very young age.
Personally I love all of Starfires designs, even get new 52 design!❤ To me, I'd make her 52 design be completely made of fire like a super nova, so only the bits of her clothing would show up with her eyes and silhouette being visable; but that's just a design choice I'd make.❤
I like the classic star fire design it's beautiful ❤️. I think the titans design was trying to combine the classic and cartoon designs together. I actually like that one it isn't that bad especially the cover art
As a fan of Kory from DAY ONE (she was my dream girl as a 10 yr old boy reading NTT), I agree that Rebirth Version is the best. I would love it 100% if they had've echoed the original shape of the boobage covering from the NTT costume, with the white/grey design on her purple giving it a deeper 'v' rather than the small 'v'. I HATE the live action version of Starfire. Top to bottom, written on the page translated to picture, full stop. They messed up with the hair color, her iconic orange skin, the fire instead of bolts,... I didn't watch every season, so I don't know if she flies, but I'm sure they didn't do the hair contrail right either. The actress they chose was fine. They just didn't have the right character on the page or in the execution of her look. But as a fan of the original NTT, I have MANY problems with the live action characters. All of them.
I love when ppl go in deep with why they like or dislike designs. Much appreciated! And when I get to the Live Action Starfire video, you will be vindicated muhahaha
My favorite for adult Kory (or at least early 20s Kory) is her 2015 one bc I think it had the best balance btwn Kory’s sexual liberation while not overly sexualizing her the best (when most of Kory previous outfits drifted a bit too much into over-sexualization). However the Rebirth one (esp for a late 20s Starfire) has definitely grown on me and it is my favorite of her one pieces (2018 JLO, 2021 TTA, and 2023 current I don’t love lmao) Though 2003 CN Starfire might be my overall favorite just for nostalgia lmao. Great job with the video!
Not that I’m not into dc comic superheroes, moreso on a casual consumption and I’ve seen some of the teen titans animated series, but I was drawn into this video just because of your sheer enthusiasm for starfire! I will subscribe :)
The Teen Titain CN design is probably my favorite. I do, admittedly, like the New 52 design-wise. But her perosnality however wasn't really it. Starfire in my opinion whould be more cheery, curious, and playful. The Rebirth is also up there too. The dark pruple just really works.
My favorite one piece design of Starfire’s outfits is the Justice League Odyssey outfit. It isn’t just straight purple. The golden shoulder guards, collar, gauntlets and at the outline of the main outfit and the emeralds embedded give a neat contrast to the purple, which in color theory represents mystique royalty and eroticism.
I still like better her original design by Peréz, because he didn't design just HER appearance, that's consistent Tamaranian design, EXCEPT for Black Star, that rejected the people that rejected her.
@@Gemini053 Sorry for the mistake neither of them followed the precise naming here, not even they Tamaranian names, with vowels in the place of the apostrophes.
As an artist I can understand why artist sexualise thier females the answer is that we don't do it for the fans ,it's because we design what we find good looking
Not sure if it’s her because she’s on earth or all tamaranians but she needs her skin exposed, the more skin that’s exposed the more energy she can absorb or along those lines
I read the current Titans series and complained on artist Nicola Scott's Instagram that Starfire isn't allowed to be sexy anymore. Her costume has a diamond shaped boob window in the design but you can tell DC said color it purple to close it up and she's drawn much less endowed from every angle. Nicola Scott liked the post so I think she secretly agrees with me. She's no stranger to drawing cheese and beef cake.
Interesting! it's always cool connecting with creators (when they're not being assholes lol) As for the current design, I dig the ponytail but the outfit itself leaves a lot to be desired. Even so, that Tales of the Titans cover that she did was 👌👌👌👌👌
I'll always like classic comic version of Kory but shes kinda problematic. It got annoying for awhile that her whole life revolved around Robin/Nightwing and they didnt develop her decently until the 90s came around.
TBH I didn't like The New 52 as much everybody was giving so much backlashing so Thank The Stars they change it so The Artists can do whatever they want just as long they don't make it unappealing.
I stopped liking the cartoon network one when I found out about the comics not because the comic was "sexy" but because her noticable black features from the comics were erased. I'd hate to be petty, but I know what I saw.
I hated New 52 Starfire on every level. I liked the redesign of that better than the Rebirth version. But that’s because it strikes a nice balance between the original and the CN version. Edit: her initial New 52 characterization was garbage. That being said, I really appreciate your reasons for praising the Rebirth version. Especially because comics have matured and gratuitous near nudity isn’t necessary anymore.
I feel the 2016 Teen Titans Rebirth design is by far the best looking one; the Cartoon Network version is the second best. Also the newer versions where you can see pupils are an improvement which includes both of those.
I'll be honest, I don't like the revert redesigns. From then on, all of her designs, in my opinion, are quite empty. They don't have anything that's particularly notable or anything that says it's her beyond the fact that they're all purple. My problem isn't even that they are not sexy my complaint is that they are too simplified and in my opinion as far as aspects can be said she hasn't been herself since revert. which is just sad😓
Well from what was told in volume 3 of teen titans and then titans as well Cory menshioned that on her planet she and her people try to not wear clothes at all(because they get their powers from sun and exposing to sun by absorbing light through bare skin makes them more powerful and alive so basically they'll die if they won't get enough sun on their skins) and this explains why she wears revealing outfits all the time, sometimes on earth she sunbathes without any clothes to keep being alive other times she wears as many clothes as she can.
I think the starfire from the recent nightwing run has become one of my favorite,def very blk coded and I love it And ntm on new 52 version is it functional (no) does the outfit make any sense (no) is it cunt!(well yes!)
I understand that they did create a reason as to why starfire shows so much skin but we have to admit that her character design was totally made for the male gaze and sometimes I hate that about her design.
I've always wondered something about Starfire, could she be bisexual? And I'm not asking that for fanservice reasons, I mean, based on her "hippie" nature and views on love and emotion, I honestly think she would not be opposed to dating women. In fact, I feel like all Tamerianians might be the same way. It's like Ancient Greece. Everyone swings both ways. 😅
I like every design of Starfire. She's probably the hottest comic character ever, and she's also an interesting character, not just eye candy. Rebirth would be my least favorite but I'm not really knocking it. It's just a little bland. Lot's of modern comic character designs have become bland and it's not just Starfire. Speaking to modern designs in general, it's like they are trying to inject some sort of realism into a character design but I love the escapism of comics. I'm not looking for how someone would realistically go into battle. Especially characters whose skin is better than armor anyway. This approach tends to fail anyway because they only ever go halfway. I prefer the over-the-top look on superheroes. Let loose with a design and have fun with it and not worry about how it might look in the live action movie one day.
For me goes in this order: 1-Teen Titans cartoon design 2-OG Design 3-2015 design 4-Rebirth 2017 version (mostly because is a leotard and I love leotards but, I prefer Star when reveal more meat) 5-New 52 version I will be honest...........this is not BAD, sorry I absolutely disagree with your take, as a pure just design alone and art, I mean after all was Kenneth Rocafort who draw this and that dude art is amazing......the only reason I agree in put it last is....that the design doesn't FIT STAR FIRE, is a good design for someone like Red Sonya, Vampirella, Lady Death, but SF is a lot more cuter and friendly, even in her OG who have revealing aspect, she gives this friendly inviting approach, she is too adorable and nice to have an outfit that go too overboard......but design wise is pretty cool, is just if was for any other character, maybe a villain with top of sex appeal, but not SF.....at least that's my opinion.
