I know what you're saying, but I don't think I'd consider the Nebula class a kitbash. To me a kitbash has the feel of slapping stuff together, whereas the Nebula was designed to look like the Galaxy's little sister. Calling the Nebula class a kitbash is like calling the Reliant in ST:WOK a kitbash.
Nebula was absolutely a kitbash, designed for no other reason than to destroy it and use for the graveyard scene. It is 100% a kitbash when originally conceived. It is just one that got a little more attention later on to make it more presentable as a viable ship to share the screen with Enterprise D (the platforms were an elemwnt added later, not present on the original graveyard kitbash). Even with the work it received over time, it still cannot escape the look of a blindfolded child sticking together and Enterprise D kit all wrong. Still, it is the best of the kitbashes and at least got some additional development in episodes where it was an actual star and not a background ship.
I liked the New Orleans class myself. I always kind of head cannoned it as a precursor to the Galaxy class. Kind of a smaller scale test bed for some of the tech that went into the Galaxy that ended up doing well enough on its own to build a few more.
Starfleet being cheap? No. They would have to go out of their way to purposely make it look like that. No matter how many excuses people make, one cannot escape the simple fact that it was two vastly different models simply glued together. For a quick shot of a destroyed hull in Wolf 359's graveyard scene, it was fine. By choosing to use it later on as an active ship, they could have at least smoothed out some of the raiders blocky surface so that it blended better with the Voyager, and add some real nacelles...ANYTHING to make it flow better. It really wouldn't have taken much effort at all to fix the model up just a bit for use in DS9. Very minor work could have made a world of difference. As it stands, it is among the bottom three in completely lazy ideas and the number one spot for ugliest thing ever to be made for Starfleet. If it was made as a backwater planet Star Wars ship, it would be fine. For Starfleet? Forget it.
So... one thing that seems to be consistently missed when talking about Adam Buckner's original Centaur kitbash: the ship was originally contructed with a Miranda class bridge module. The scale of the excelsior saucer and shuttle bay were from a smaller scale model, and so the saucer is very clearly much smaller than an excelsior saucer. Buckner even included some larger windows to imply that the saucer was indeed smaller than an Excelsior saucer. The Eaglemoss recreation of the Centaur ignored this, and that model was recently used on Prodigy... so I guess it's been officially retconned. But I would maintain that unless we assume those torpedo tubes are GIGANTIC, the saucer should still be smaller than an Excelsior's.
I wonder why he didn’t point out that the reason the Yeager had so much technical screen time was because it was in the opening credits of DS Nine for quite a few seasons.
The 3 "pods" on the New Orleans are designed to be housing for the experimental long range precision triangulator for astrometric surveys. (Or off-the-record can be used for extremely long range torpedo targeting) The equipment was designed by one Professor Marcus Stabilo and his research crew fondly calls the long range device the Highlighter because it lights up the target for all the sector to see. Officially, Professor Stabilo called it the Biased Oscillating Sensor System. On the field, it gets called the Stabilo BOSS Highlighter.
Ahhh... the good old Trinary Arrays. Don't fly too close in front of them, the radiation danger is severe enough that by the Iconian War of 2410, they're more often deployed as stop-gap heavy weapons than actual sensor suites. When you give a bunch of Federation Scientists free range to Science, sometimes they come up the most nasty unintentional toys.
Could you do a video on navigational deflectors, why Starfleet uses them when relatively few other powers do, and how Federation ships without them- Miranda, Challenger, etc- work?
I love the Centaur. I always wondered if the Excelsior would have it's smaller variant just like the Miranda and Nebula are to the Constitution refit and the Galaxy class. As soon as I saw it I was like "Ahhhh, there it is". One has to wonder if the Ambassador has a similar ship to compliment it.
I headcanon the Wambundu-class as that smaller Ambassador relative, somewhat, @?Control ? See also the design 'USS Pellucidar' online, for my favorite take.
From the DS9 episode “The Maquis” indicates that the Maquis Raider was a modification of a popular courier and supply vessel so it is likely that the Yeager Class had a decent supply of retreating or requisitioned colonial and private vessels to use for the engineering hull.
I really liked the New Orleans class, I wish we would have seen more of them during the Dominion War alongside the Nebula, Ambassador and Galaxy class. As ships representative of a more modern era.
Correction. Redemption part 2 the federation task force was 24 ships including enterprise. ( not 17 ) in the early dialogue they had 17 , but picard had words with the yardmaster and they rushed another 6 ships. 17 wasn't enough to make an effective net . Some ships were not quite ready for service, like the uss suterland wasn't finished yet . Her bridge and safety systems. Ect
And also, the Tolstoy is a separate ship, an (unseen) Rigel-class ship (NCC-62093) from the Chekov, and which is often given the description meant for the Niagara-class USS Princeton.
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Rest In Peace Greg Jein. Your legacy through Star Trek shall live on. My favorite kitbash will ALWAYS be the New Orleans class. I mean who doesn't love that ship? I mean yes it's mostly just 2 1/2500th Enterprise-D kits and some highlighters as well as the bridge part from the larger 1/1400th E-D kit. I left the bottom highlighter/pod off my model because I just hated seeing it there. In my humble opinion it looks better without it. Still it's beautiful and majestic in my opinion. I've got Starcrafts' model of the New Orleans and I absolutely just love it. I THINK the pods are supposed to be either torpedo launchers or some sort of sensor pods. I can ask Doug Drexler, he might know. The Centaur is probably my second favorite kitbash. The third I would have to say is the Cheyenne class. It's definitely unique. Especially the pylons and warp engines. Also one thing I always found puzzling, is when they first showed the Wolf 359 graveyard after the E-D got there before the commercial break, it showed the secondary hull of a Constitution Refit. Yet after the commercial break it was gone. I wondered why it vanished in the next shot and wondered whether or not that was an actual Constitution Refit that was pulled out of the mothballs for the battle of Wolf 359. By the way thanks for doing this video and Merry Christmas to everyone at Trek Central !
... I'm going to say it I actually like the design of the Yeager Class It'd be interesting to see a refined version of it that blended the 2 aesthetics together into 1. And maybe put the deflector on the nose underneath the saucer
4:49 Didn’t one of a Buckner’s tugs make it onto screen in “A Time To Stand” towing a damaged Excelsior? Same shot where the Curry-class appears? 22:57 not sure why it’s hard to find footage of it, it’s in a lot of the establishing shots of DS9 in Season 6. You won’t find anything of it actually doing anything though.
Springfield class must have been designed by Protoss, because they're always going on about needing additional pylons. Also, I actually kinda like how the Yeager class looks.
*the Smurf Class of ships might have been one of the more obscure class of ships that was assembled by some of the more remote colonies on the fringes of the Federations influence but it was reliable and easy to find parts for and overall was a very Smurfy ship*
I don’t care what people say I like the Yeager class simply because it’s different and like you said it was built in an emergency and was supposed to look rough
So, here's my headcanon for the Yeager: First of all, the secondary hull is not a Maquis raider. It just looks like one 😉 but is clearly bigger. The ship is an engineering research platform, a way to try out different warp cores, impulse engines and deflectors. So it's all modular and therefore "boxy" looking. During the Dominion war, they put her into regular service, maybe as courier between Deep Space stations. I don't even think she's ugly. Nothing can be as ugly as most of the ships we've gotten since! Even the Titan-A looks like a horrible retro-style fan design, imo.
Video is great, love to see the ships. One that would have been forgotten is the Starfleet Runabout which was turned out and based on the class of ship that made up the USS Jenolan from that episode where Scotty wrecked into the Dyson Sphere, big difference being the warp engines and they flipped the jenolan upside down to make the runabout
Funny thing, I fell in love with the Jenolan for some unknown reason when I first saw that episode. Something about that tiny, old boxy looking ship appealed to me. Then when I first saw the Danube class runabouts I recognized them instantly and they became my new favorite. Since then I've been obsessed with the little ships. They just seem more "real" to me. Back when I fancied myself a writer I started on a story about a ship that was basically the bastard child of a Defiant class and a Danube. Ugly, slow, and bulky with less than half the firepower of a Defiant and much more spartan and cramped, but just as tough, if not tougher, and a lot more reliable. Designed to be "Ensign-proof" and way over built, using older systems salvaged from older starships. Originally meant to be a support and training ship, Starfleet rushed to build as many as they could during the Dominion War as a forlorn-hope "holdout" ship that could allow the Federation to at least maintain some semblance of resistance, or at least allow humanity to survive in some capacity.
I always had a soft spot for Charlie Reynolds and the Centaur! Nice video. Where is the Yeager class in the ST Shipyards book? I can't find it in Starfleet ships books 2151-2293 or 2294-The Future.
I like the yaeger class it's the federation version of the Klingon bird of prey. There's also a couple of kitbash ships in the original era I can't remember all of them but I know one was a reliant saucer with the nacelles angled up it looked like the federation version of a romulan bird of prey from the original era
I'm getting serious FASA Star Fleet Battles flashbacks here. It's like a live action Ship Identification Manual - which was very early kitbashing and even called it such.
The New Orleans' pods are probably modular mission loadout pods and probably make up for the smaller size of the vessel (as opposed to the Galaxy class) by allowing specialized equipment to be swapped out efficiently.
Nobody seems to ever mention The Constitution variant with saucer and neck and the nacelles are attached to the lower end of the neck on two short pylons. Looks like a 2 nacelle Destroyer/ Scout like Franz Josephs Saladin/Hermes classes
The 3 pods on the new Orleans class could be multiple purpose multi role pods capable of holding defensive and offensive systems as well as research and exploration systems etc.
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I love having a model of the Yaeger-class. It was never intended to be seen up close and rather a chance to fill a space far in the background of DS9 when watching in SD TV quality. They could have used something like the usual Excelsior class but that ws getting boring over and over all the time. At least, this time it was something completely different and kept people guessing what it was.
I believe the New Orleans class' "pods" were prototype anti-Borg weapons with the class being put into service not long before the Battle of Wolf-359, but that could be apocryphal.
I have a fondness for the Nebula since one of them is named after me. Outside of narcissism, I do like the overall design, especially with the triangular module. It just looks like a ship with a bad attitude. As for the Yeager class... I might be an odd one but I actually like the design. It looks aggressive and kind of like what I would imagine the result of a Klingon design influence on a Federation ship might produce.
A Kit Bash on a local kid's show on Washington DC's Channel 20 hosted by spaceman Captain 20. They used parts of AMT's model kits USS Enterprise and parts of a Klingon D7 and displayed it upside down. I wish I could find a screen shot of it but so far no luck.
Love how in lower decks they took a page from the kitbashing days and made the California class to create a ship that made to feel like the third line workhorse that gets stuck with the boring and dirty jobs that goes with an interstellar power that usually gets overlooked by the audience in favour of the cool and flashy frontline explorers, science-ships and warships
@@TrekCentral Good video, and incredible photos of the Wolf 359 models, more detailed than usually seen before! A few small corrections though - the USS Tolstoy is a separate, unseen ship, often given the same description as for the USS Princeton. The Niagara (Princeton) is also probably only 480 metres, scaled to the nacelles, meantime. Oh, and Centaur had a Miranda bridge, initially. Plus, it may be an older ship after all, but opinion tends to vary. Happy Christmas!
I believe the Excelsior II-Class was from Picard (the USS Excelsior (NCC-42037) and the USS Eureka); Lower Decks had the Obena-class (the USS Archimedes).
I know people love to slam the Yeager class as a horrible design, however it would be interesting to see a Klingons take on the vessel They could "capture" an incomplete/damaged Intrepid class ship and using the warp systems of Vorcha class battlecruiser on it You know they'd add lots of weapons but they could use the ship a planetary assault style ship
there is some other kitbash, or more like design reuse going on. there was TNG 5x09, a matter of time. the interior of the timepod was reused several times, some times as a federation shuttle, sometimes as some alien shuttle, etc. it's always recognizable because of the diamond shaped side appliances. I guess, shuttle interiors are expensive.
gonna catch some flak for this but i actually kinda like the Yeager class. oh it will never be on my top ten list and maybe even not my top 5 kitbash ships but i don't hate it. hell with some slight modifications it might be decent. mostly just smoothing the transitions between the two parts a bit a more would go a long way in improvements. i see the Raider half as looking somewhat unfinished. sort of like the Star Wars rebel Y-Wing that has so much of the armor plate missing. its like the build a rough engineering hull with parts the had on hand but didn't take the time to put a more curved looking outer shell on it. may having even been a test bed for the Phase cannons later used on the Defiant (not sure which one was constructed first).
I always saw that weird ass Yeager class as "star trek in the front, star wars in the back" What a freak of nature... When I first saw it orbiting DS9 back in the 90's I didn't even think it was a Starfleet ship as my small 21" tv only let me see an odd-shaped blur.
Love it!!! I watched it again hoping to see some kitbash ships from the Picard season finale. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do an updated episode featuring any kitbash/STO ships in the finale.
The Nebula is definitely a kitbash. Someone tool apart a Galaxy class and then had another person put it together without knowing what it should have looked like, and that person put it together better than it was the first time. It's the best class in Trek.
Centuar-class The shuttle bay is forward, because the basher was high after gluing everything together, and only then did he realize the saucer was backwards.
I've found a shot of the Yeager class. It's five minutes into the Series 6 episode 'Waltz' in the wide shot of DS9 just after the opening credits. It's in the back left of shot.
My main ship in star trek online is the maquis raider, I wish I could kitbash it into the Yeager just for kicks and because it's an affront to the eyes lol
The Yeager is by far the best of the lot. While it has an intrepid hull, it is the only one that doesn't just look like a kit bash. The total break-up of the ships silhouette by the blocky lines of the secondary hull give it distinct visual interest, and the blocky nature of it gives it a plethora of potential. It also looks far more aggressive than the other ships - perfect for the Dominion War. It's only failing is the totally lack-luster imagination in writing its non-canon background. The simplicity of the Intrepid hull gives it immediate identity in Star Fleet, while the rest makes it clear that this is different, inelegant, and functional. It looks like a genuine product of war and supply shortages in the Federation. With a modicum of effort, would be the ideal platform for a hero ship - as it is just waiting to be resplendent with character flaws, quick-fixes, and unique qualities that can differentiate it from the fleet at large. That's the thing about the Galaxy Class, the Intrepid Class, or the Defiant - they'e almost unique in their shows. We never really see many others. The Galaxy Class is the most generic in terms of seeing other ships-of-class in its show, but even then, they're rare and mostly explode to cheaply create tension for the real star of the show. The Yeager, in its ugly duck heritage, is already unique, with a unique history, and a lot of potential - and thats despite knowing, and seeing even, that they were serially produced.
I love the kit bash ship the Intrepid/constitution class starship variant. its a medium cruiser with 225 crew, a power plant of one 1500 plus cochrane warp core. length of 444.39 meters and beam of 133.44. hight 87.78 meters. its mass is 1300000 metric tones. its basically the saucer of the Intrepid put on top of 2 constitution hulls. just wish i could find more info on it. I have been told the the size should only be slightly longer than Voyager, so around 360 or so metres. Most of the other stats should be fairly close, though. im still trying to find more info on about it.
Honestly? Smooth out the coupling a bit more and round out the raider, and the Yeager class has potential to be an epic looking ship. Then again, I also think half the Uglies in Star Wars look better than the ships they were made from, so what do I know?
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do a yeager-B hull. you take the appearance of the yeager dorsal view. so when you flip the model over. all that marquee ship areas are filled in. so you have smoother ship lines.
According to Mike Okuda, the modelmakers were not responsible for where the ships were placed in the Wolf 359 post-battle "graveyard". It's interesting how they picked the most Galaxy-like of the models they were given - the New Orleans - to be most visible, instead of giving the viewers a better idea of the variety of ship designs.
I would very much like to know what happened to that damaged Niagara Class model ship. I've not seen it in any catalogs, nor at any auctions heard of. Would love to know the status of that damaged ship from the Wolf 359 battle.
Late, but I love the Yeager Class. I’m currently flying around in one in Timelines, before I was flying around in the Enterprise A. Would love for all of these other ships to be included in Timelines, like that frigate class. Still salty with the Star Trek Hallmark Collection. They have so many ships and characters that they haven’t come out with yet.
I'm new to this channel. I have to say, the narrator in this video provides some of the liveliest voice-over work that I've ever heard! There are moments when the narrator sounds remarkably similar to Christopher Lloyd in his delivery. Are all the videos on this channel presented in the same manner?
"Kit bash" is real. after her completion, the Nuclear Guided Missile Cruiser USS Long Beach (CGN-9) didn't have any guns. She was designed with only missiles and torpedoes. Later, the USN realized she needed some type of gun system onboard, so they took a pair of surplus Mk-30 5"/38 single turrets, scavenged from WWII ships and mounted them amidships (where an aborted missiles system was originally intended to be). An even better example was the Garcia class Frigate. The US Navy had a new escort ship designed as an upgrade to the Bronstein class frigates. These ships carried a surplus 5"/38 forward and a new Mk-22 launcher for the RIM-66 Tartar surface to air missile. These were the Brooke class FFG. Unfortunately these ships were considered too expensive by Congress, who only funded 6 ships, No where near enough needed by the Navy. So they kit-bashed - stripping out the missile launcher and its expensive electronics (which was a large part of the ships cost) and replacing them with another surplus WWII single 5"/38 turret. These new, far less capable, ships were dubbed the Garcia class and 11 of them were built.
I don't see how the New Orleans class could have type 10 phasers, since they weren't even invented or in use until the late 2360's, after the class' launch. Unless they were upgraded after Wolf 359 or during the Dominion war. Also, it's not really kitbashed since it was built as an original, standalone type of starship.
The Yaeger never made any sense. Those Maquis fighters (which I think Starfleet also used in battles against the Dominion) are about the size of a runabout. It shouldn't be big enough to fit with an Intrepid saucer.
I actually like the USS Curry (NCC-42254) and Raging Queen (NCC-42284). Imagine if there was a Galaxy class like Curry-class. It would help negate the neck vulnerabilities. The New Orleans class had "mission" pods. They can be swapped out for mission essentials.
considering that according to a book i once read about the fleet that appeared in angels fall first the kitbash fleet is actually something the federation had done
Given the show staff decided to replace the Phoenix-type Nebula structure because they didn't like it and it was never seen again after "The Wounded", the triangular structure could easily be considered a retcon rather than a separate variant.
