@@Jukantos not cruel. They stepped through the gate and had no knowledge of anything after. Cruel would be to have a flamethrower on this side of the gate, and set them on fire when they stepped through so they burned to death.
@@Jukantos It's more like 'poof' and you are atoms. What I always think about in this scene is the dread of those who watched it. They just witnessed helplessly as dozens of their comrades just evaporate. The demoralizing effect this has on a person must be devastating, and then comes realization that the mission is failed - without reinforcements they can't secure the city and stop enemy from further hindering their plans.
Like O'Neill, the jokey carefree surface disguised a first class soldier, an absolute nightmare for the enemy. Shepard wasn't to be messed with. The whole episode was "die hard in another Galaxy" and it was brilliant.
Yes that's really well done. I believe on filming they probably had the entire transporter on wheels and moved it to another room. If you look closely you can't see the door during "transport" and the door gap means you don't have to align it perfectly for a seamless transition.
Such a badass moment. One of Sheppard's smartest plays. He leveraged his superior knowledge of the city, and he worked against their expectations of where he would be and what he would try. John McClane would be proud.
@@TeeDubzz By subtracting where he is from where he isn't, or where he isn't from where he is (whichever is greater), he arrives at a deviation. His brain uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive himself from a position where he is to a position where he isn't and arriving at a position where he wasn't, he now is.
@@Snapper314 I already did-but it did make up my mind about a character. Stargate has a few villains I love to hate like Kinsey, a couple I hated to love (like Ba'al), and a couple I just want to see dead. Kolya belongs in that last group.
Its a culture constantly set in the cold war, with a fierce us vs them mentality, they cant admit they were wring because their reasons were pretty solid but their methodology and reasoning were panicked and flawed
This was probably the moment I was sold on Shepard as a character. He spent the whole episode single-handedly taking down the Genii like it was just another average day for him.
@@2wings1bird31 All the female leads in Stargate generally have been written pretty well in the past. But I can acknowledge your point living in the times we are living.
@@alexpowers4388 yes I agree the women in Stargate were all written well. Strong capable females with out it being rammed down your throat, occasionally poking fun but never preachy.
I like this episode. This and some other episodes shows Shepard despite all lighthearted wittyness can be really professional and ruthless when needed.
Using these naquadah generators to power Atlantis was like operating a nuclear aircraft carrier with a bunch of garden diesel generators from a hardware store.
not really, those naquadah generators powered mostly sensors and lights, nothing that would be really energy intensive. Remember that the city still required a ZPM to use its sublight engines/hyperdrive, shields and the chair.
Mmmm.... i think it would be closer to the truck size generators than the little hand portable generators, but yeah, pretty close. You ain't going anywhere, but you can turn on the lights
3:20 Kolya just realized he drastically underestimated them. It's not so easy to take their base since they already have procedures in place to stop the enemy; even with hostages, almost no manpower and ongoing base infiltration.
one of the funny things I find about this episode is that Robert Davi, who plays Kolya, is also the voice of the Spec-ops leader (or "half-jaw") in Halo 2, where he also leads a small team to infiltrate an ancient alien facility under the threat of an impending super storm, and the game and this episode came out very close to each other.
I love this scene and this entire episode because it reminds me of when the SGC on Earth had to deal its own foothold situation. So of course its sister program SGAC would have protocols and contingencies in place on how to deal with a foothold situation. Combine this with the fact that Shepard is SGA's O'Neill but with about a decade less of service, trying to take SGAC with Shepard playing Die Hard be a nightmare for anyone. And you know Die Hard is amongst John's favorite films, he knows what he is doing.
Well that is one way of doing a K/D ratio of 30. Atlantis lost 2 soldiers. Sheppard killed 2 at the control station which got damaged, an additional 3 predator-style and 54 by using the gate shield...ohh and he lucky shotted one guy at 3:05. Kolya has and doesn't have the right to be pissed....he lost brutal amounts of man by 1 guy yet he is the invader so...yeah...
Don't forget at least two more killed by Sheppard and Ford in the gate room as they were escaping, and the two stunned by Ford plus Sora making three prisoners of war.
This is the moment Koyla lost. Outside of military services that subscribe to "climb to victory over a mountain of our own dead" those numbers are enough to end the career of every officer that survived. Even if he took the city, he personally has no way back from this.
Koyla had a victory in hand and, risking no more than he already had, tried to get a second victory. When that proved untenable, he chose to increase his risk instead of take the win he already had. As a result he lost everything. Koyla's mistake wasn't overextending his men, it was in not accepting that he couldn't achieve a total victory. He could have returned to original parameters, claimed a win with minor losses, and been done. Instead he committed himself to a fight he did not have the knowledge or resources to win.
Trying to hold the city with such a small force is a bad idea. If I were Koyla, I would have taken some of the Naquedah Generators, maybe a Jumper, and any other tech I could carry and leave the city. A single modern laptop probably would have helped the Genii civilization advance their technology greatly.
The point is that from the Genii perspective the Tau'ri have unilaterally occupied what should be at the very least shared heritage of all Pegasus humans, so the city itself was their aim, not just technology
Like realistically Shepard should have lost. He was severely outnumbered. Koyla realized taking Shepard would be difficult hence is insistence on staying grouped as much as possible. But he knew bullets would shepard. He was not some indestructible threat. Ultimately Koyla realized taking the city was feasible and logicaly went for it. It was to big of a prize.
@@theyux1 I don't think Shepard should have lost. Shepard is a modern military soldier, a professional warfighter with years of his own experience fighting other trained and semi-trained opponents with hundreds of years of refinement going into his training and more advanced weapons and technology. He is going against the Genii who clearly have limited if any combat experience, they are no doubt well trained but training based on fighting the Wraith who they cannot stand and fight led by an arrogant guy who just plain doesn't realize he's in over his head taking Atlantis and fighting Shepard. The Genii might have had numbers on their side at first but didn't have many other advantages. Didn't have the home field advantage so Shep could outmaneuver them knowing the city especially with the tracker he had, didn't have the training advantage, and didn't have the numbers really either thanks to Shepard closing the iris.
@@theyux1 A fascist police state that had existed for generations. Doubtful they had many internal threats and most likely when they did it was beating up civilians in true police state fashion. Essentially Kolya was a bully who finally met someone who could fight back.
They probably did, but given that it's Colonel Sheppard... he probably figured it out quite easily. Keeping in mind that we have Atlantis tech as well as our own being several hundred years in advance, it wouldn't be hard to track radio chatter.
@@EternalScarecrow to be fair it’s only about 40-60 years in technological advancement. Not hundreds. Hundreds would be Napoleonic era weaponry. These are 1940s-1950s eta.
I made the assumption that given their situation of being the only advanced civilization other than the Wraith that they had encountered, combined with a need to keep their undercity secret, limited their need/options for multiple frequencies of communication. My understanding is that those kinds of innovations tend to sprout up out of necessity. If your civilization rarely encountered other advanced cultures, and your own society is extremely united, why prioritize development of multiple channel communication?
It's a little oversight but given there limited technology maybe the number of frequency's they have is limited. He may of just been using a frequency for all his men. Later on we see kolya and sura talking to each other but noone else can hear.
Two nickels for the times that Robert Davi has been in a storm on a platform built by an ancient race that is long dead, trying to hunt down and kill someone on some far off and alien planet.
@@hawkeye5955 The quick logical thinking of a Mensa leveled individual combined with the emotional and mental control of a soldier is a dangerous combination.
@@SpiritAce33 drop a grenade before they turned. So lock the gate and throw a couple of grenades 5s apart and voila. They're all gone... but the plot called for them to live for another few mins esp the chick
That was probably their largest one, plus, how would anyone on the other end trust anything from the other side. “Come on though” “And have the gate shield come on again? No, screw you buddy”
Its also worth mentioning they likely only had 60 guys geared up and ready to go. Remember initially they did not realize taking atlantis permanently would be feasible, only after they realized some atlantis members stayed behind some form of plan must be in motion. The point is they had every incentive to send every guy they could when sheperd blocked the gate.
@@theyux1 not to mention it was a “we need men to hold the city NOW, call up everyone” type situation, so that was probably their reserves, standing army and guards. It’s no wonder they hate the Atlantis team, that action probably cut the Genii by probably 15%
Yeah the Geni were to the Tauri as the Tauri were to the Wraith and Guald. They really would not have worked as well in SG1. But in SGA eith limited resources and backup, they made a decent problem for SGA. To me they were a far better version of the Kazon in Voyager. Mostly because the Kazon were so technology inferior it dropped any form of suspense.
@@AemerFactory But earth beat superior enemies only for the Genii to get the better of them. Maybe if the Genii were good guys it would work but for them to beat the Wraith, Guald and replicators only to get captured and outsmarted by the Genii... Naw
@@jamaicantillidieinmyownwor5517 The Ori were only in SG1 as I recall, they may have been mentioned in Atlantis but they were never featured, there was the episode of SG1 where Odyssey went to Atlantis that featured an Ori ship, but that was SG1 (except Teal'c) in Pegasus and Teal'c and the Ori ship in the Milky Way.
five five of sixty sounds like someone was a real noob at taking Atlantis they didn't expect any sabotage or resistance or anything like what Shepard put them through cause they were total noobs at that sort of thing you have to love it this is what fighting the wraith does to those commandos makes them weak against humans like Shepard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They changed the mission parameters after attacking atlantis when they realized they could potentially keep the city. The initial plan was just to take the c-4 and anything else useful. They likely did not have more guys ready to go. It was ambitious, but candidly almost worked.
Their only military experience is overpowering tiny unadvanced villagers or scattered survivors of advanced worlds culled by the wraith. They never had the experience of an actual competent military enemy (the wraith don’t count since they can’t use their guns against them or the facade would be over) that has multiple plans and failsafes
They don’t. The Genii think because they’re standing firm against the wraith everyone in the galaxy owes them one. They tried to take Shepard and his team hostage once and they been hostile ever since
@@Batou3 to be fair, the Atlantis expedition did promise C4 explosive and medicines in exchange for food, but I believe neither side delivered on the promises, so no, Atlantis did not owe the Genii.
@@terryforsdyke306 you think the travelers will hold Rodney and/or Daniel responsible for the loss of their people and ships? You think there is anything sinister about the travelers?
