Stargate: Atlantis - History of the Asurans 

WHY THE ANCIENTS DID NOT BUILD GIANT MECHAS ROBOTS CMON WITH ALL THAT TECHNOLOGY THEY DID NTO BUILD THEM THEY COULD WIN THE WAR

@ROBERT KALAUZ I was just wondering where I heard that quote xD

It’s kind of ironic because it was the machines getting destroyed by their creators not the other way around.

"Does this unit have a soul?"

all of this has happened and will happen again

the day the skynet matrix fire nation attacked

But like, we don't know if they're lying either.

Ha the ancients were such dicks 😂

it just may

It’s had its time. We got Galactica, and Stargate. It’s good.

Every ancient on atlantis was a huge dick, except the ones in the simulation while in stasis

Yeah, but bombing a species that was programed not to harm them wasn't exactly hard? The ancients where just like humans, just more technologically advanced and "further" along in the evolutionary chain that they bestowed their next generation of humans (the humans in the milky way, Pegasus etc).

The replicatactors were similar to the ancients at atlantis. But they didn't anticipate the problem of the humans hating them along side of asguard.

Why bother? These Replicators weren't a threat to the Ancients, and would have devastated the Wraith.

Are you saying the Ancients weren't incompetent at war, because inserting Replicators into Human populations to infiltrate Wraith Hive ships sounds pretty smart to me. But what if the Wraith could detect the difference between Human and Replicator, well the Replicators in Stargate SG-1 fired missiles made of Replicator blocks at Asgard ships why couldn't they do that? Or even better, lets get some damn diversity in the loadout of the drones, as in drones designed to deliver Replicators onto Hive ships. Simply put the Ancients were wholly incompetent at war. They seemingly have no imagination, case in point the Replicators. Weapon, soldier, it doesn't matter they were versatile, loyal, and lethal but nooo it wasn't what the Ancients envisioned so lets just waste a bunch of ordinance on pest control by glassing one of our own freaking planets.

That wasnt the problem. Even in nanite form the replicators were winning the ancients the war, but it became more apparent when they took human form and the ancients started to realise the only way to win the war was to destroy the wraith. They weren't about that, and the human form replicators slaughter of the wraith made that more apparent. It really was a moral battle as well with the ancients.

Or they should have respected the Asurans as a sentient life form rather than a Slaves/weapons and removed their aggression programs and let them evolve

​@@nihilityjoey the Ancients should have realised that Wraith genocide was the only way to win the war. An enemy that needs to feed on humanoids to live (and apparently can't find alternative sustenance by using animals instead) is never going to opt for peaceful co-existence.

@@tompearce5418 I think this was more about hammering home that the ancient didn't really want to fight an all out war in the end. By the time they realised they were losing they didn't have the will to completely eradicate the wraith, despite realistically having a few means with which to do so. They more or less always discontinue an experiment that would lead to victory via genocide. The replicators and the aterro device were both means with which the ancients could be absolutely certain of complete victory, they just didn't want to pull that trigger. That's why they chilled behind their shield, probably hoping for a non-combat end to the war (maybe altering wraith DNA to not require human life etc). They realistically didn't need to even leave Atlantis, they could power the shield indefinitely even on the surface. By the time they left the Pegasus they had no fight left in them, instead choosing to pursue ascension.

@@BattlestarZenobia Indeed, its why AI will eventually go all Hal-9000 / Skynet / Vicky / General Robotics (Fallout Franchise) on us, instead of going all Megaman (Battle Network video games) / Ghosts (Destiny Franchise) / Cortana (Halo) / Commander Data/ 95% of all Japanese Anime Androids Wifus..............................

because they are to busy eating the " Reese's pieces " to care about what they are called

I’ve been laughing about this comment for 15mins.... I suspect it will be more ! Thank you kind sir

Probably the peanut allergies.

Only robots made of flesh have souls. 😉

@@nealjroberts4050 Fascinating.

Sam was trying to fight for Fifth’s rights originally. And even Daniel got over his love of machines eventually.

I think they were just mentally exhausted back then and didn't wanna deal with the guilt also it's kinda cool they had an flaw like that to overcome its an pitty it never was tackled

@@eternallylearning2811 "I think they were just mentally exhausted back then and didn't wanna deal with the guilt" The writers or SG-1?

There are a *lot* of missed opportunities for advancement for the Atlantis crew specifically because the writers had to limit them as much as possible. Pegasus Asgard? Automatic enemies with no real effort to try to reason with them Todd and Michael the Wraiths? Always in a rush to stab them in the back so they'll *never* trust you The Pegasus Replicators? Create an enemy for life by treating them as something to weaponize instead of as people The Genii? Botched early contact followed by no efforts to try to ever try to make peace with them before it was too late That doesn't even get to the various technologies that they came across but lost or couldn't keep At some point, it gets kinda ridiculous and really calls into question the competence of the entire organization

@@InfernosReaper As a writer, what bothers me the most is that that it all could have been avoided without risking a loss in tension. Stargate to me just feels like its not sure how serieous it wants to be. Some moments and even whole episodes will blow you out of the water with the tension and impact and then you get others where it just feels the effort was dropped completely. They could have addressed and built each episode in a way that everything played out to a more logical outcome and still keep the tension. But in doing so they would have to toughen the enemies, increase the risk of death or injury, etc. And I think that is also where they get cornered because if you are trying to build a cast of characters your audience will stay connected with, killing off characters every episode or in every fight is not a great way to support that. And if you chop it down to just nameless deaths which no apparent conquence to the organizatio (which this show is already guilty of), then the idea of death looses its value. Its so fustraiting from a writing prespective. I have honestly considered re-writing the show as both a test of my own skills and to see if I could put my money where my mouth is and prove its possible but I can't find a decent copy of the scripts.

@@christopherpoet458 sadly, you would probably have to rewatch with subtitles and transcribe it yourself. It's a time vampire, but it does come with the benefit being able to figure out along the way things you'd change without ruining the core of the characters. Also, SG Teams did a better job than Atlantis when it came to making friends and enemies, while the Atlantis teams almost seemed to constantly make enemies. I'm not sure how that writing came to be

@@InfernosReaper SG1 did it best in terms of balancing practical outcomes, making friends, etc. I do love the concept of Atlantis, but yea... they step around the wrong corner and they make three enemies. It is a time vampire, but that is also very true. The only problem with relying on subtitles is that you only get half the script. Dialogue is just dialogue and subtitles won't do anything for narration or description segments of the Screenplay. I would have to write the script with the assumption that whoever was reading it had seen the show and would know from other ques, where they were in the episode.

@@christopherpoet458 The subtitles are to help with the dialogue. Sadly, they can't help with describing the scene and action, which is part of why the show is going to have to be watched to make a script.

335is make sense just wish they acknowledged it on the show

its non-canon, but the replicators from the pegasus and milky are vastly different from each other, different origins. i distinctly remember milky way replicator were created by HUMANS on reeses world not an ancient. reese designed, built the first replicators, not an ancient.

@lolaz wabby Reese was built by a/one human (her 'father')... and you don't know if he wasn't an ancient... so it's still legit canon (even it's not offiicial)

Corb4n you never know besides we don’t know how old the replicators are nor do we know for sure if the scientists were in fact ancient or not

*Corb4n * Yep. They never told us so I have no problem imagining that Reese's father was an Ancient that fled Atlantis. More interesting that way. :)

The Pegasus replicators, yes. The milky way ones would probably fail. They relied on replicating from enemy ships and tech which in Wraith's case were bio-organisms instead of mechanical.

Also, why fight nanites with bombers? A few of them are enough to rebuild. You'd have to destroy every one of them. 50 of them managed to get to another planet via a gate? They'll come back.

They built the replicators to be essentially unstoppable and programmed not to harm the ancients therefore removing any need to have an additional failsafe, their ego made them short sighted thinking they have 100% control over the replicators. Look at a show like Terminator, they built skynet to attack humans that threatened the US, but neglected to think that they themselves were the enemy in the computer they programmed.

Maybe they became so complex that flipping the switch was impossible

It is shown throughout the show that the wraith were capable of hacking ancient tech. Having a off switch would make the entire project a waste

@@xXShadDragXx Actualy the Wraith had switched replicators off in the past. Todd once said that.

@MinecraftPro15 To quote Daniel Jackson to Thor "You mean you needed someone dumber than you?"

"You may have come to the right place."

An advanced race/species is only as smart as their creators (i.e., the writers).

@@Ragitsu The thought that Rodney had would've been made *by* the writers.

@@Jackson-ub1uv Precisely.

They did say the ancients were overconfident, perhaps that really was their biggest weakness.

hycron1234 True at the moment I'm rewatching SG1 The Goa uld have the same flaw. Their arrogance gets the better of them every single time. Same with the Tollan. The mkment you underestimate the enemy you're done for. No matter your vast technologicial or numericial superiority never underestimate your enemy.

It was shown why in the first season of Atlantis. Basically, Atlantis defeats the first wave of Wraith ships, but then detects an even bigger wave of ships incoming. The Ancients could win every battle, but eventually they'd be worn down and the Wraith would win. They'd run out of ammo, their shields wouldn't have enough time to recover, their defensive emplacements would be ruined and there wouldn't be enough time to rebuild them. The Wraith could trade 1000 wraith for one dead Ancient and still end up winning in the end.

It's pretty much the old quantity vs quality thing. The ancients might be stronger but the wraith could just throw bodies at them practically endlessly without any regard for their losses.

@@AdeptKing Quantity has a quality all of it's own.

I suppose that's what arrogance can do to a person or in this case a species.

It seems that practically every antagonist faction in stargate has some connection to the ancients in one way or another. I suppose the OG replicators and the random aliens from "Grace" might be exceptions though.

Even the original Replicators were caused by them. They are just copies of the Asurans

Voidlord I am pretty sure the replicators (not Pegasus replicators to be clear) were made by a planet not apart of the main 4 species. However the tech that helped destroy them was created by the ancients probably as a fail safe against their own replicators. This is a late edit but I wanted to add my reasoning behind my theory: in Stargate Atlantis we see numerous computer models (either direct telescopic or otherwise modeled versions) by both the Atlantis Expedition, and by the replicator flashback that Elisabeth experienced. These models do not show any similar shape to either the replicator blocks in standard replicators or the humanoid replicator blocks. And we saw these blocks when the SGC was investigating the first humanoid replicator they had found. And just a quick glance between these two models can show a significant difference in the two technologies. Additionally we can see that the Humanoid replicators of SG-1 cannot do things that Atlantis replicators can do (mainly walk through matter). As what we see is that the Humanoid replicators can walk through standard replicator block structures but appear to be stopped by regular matter. Meanwhile Atlantis replicators have always been able to walk through matter as shown in first contact with the Atlantis replicators. All this gives me the feeling that the Humanoid replicators are a worse technology than the Ancient replicators and therefor are likely not of ancient design.

@@Syberactive That's the explanation in retrospect for us lowly imbeciles to make sense of the lazy writing. I Highly doubt you could ever reach that level of technology/civilization and be THAT ignorant/shortsighted and stupid at the same time.

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@@thehantavirus It is hard to tell beacause Pegasus replicators simply took their creators form and knowledge, they never actually had the need to change and adapt, meaning we haven't really seen them pressured to the point of having to "improvise". They also did not have a blanked command to replicate, they simply chose not to as there was no need for it. On a side note, Milky way replicators might have been able to infest ships but we don't know if they would be able to do the same with ancient ships as they have been portrayed as much more powerful than even Asgard ones.

I feel like the replicators would be able to infest the ancient ships, but I think the Pegasus replicators would be able to defeat the Milky Way replicators because the Pegasus ones are nantîtes, ways smaller than normal replicators from Milky Way. They can infiltrate and destroy from within.

@@Mercedesxoo The ones from Milky Way are also nanites... They evolved

@@Domihork those damn thinking machines

They would almost certainly be enemies. The Milky Way and Ida Replicators core command is to replicate above all else, everything they do is with this key goal in mind. Even the humanform Replicators are stuck with this core command, with only Fifth showing some ability to put other desires ahead of it, and it is debatable whether he truly overcame it or just saw a different path down the same road. The Asuran wants and needs are more complex. Their core command was to wipe out the Wraith, but they managed to disable that core command. The Asuran were content in living quiet lives on a single planet and not interacting with anything else until the Atlantis Expedition showed up. The Asuran would see the Replicators as a threat to be dealt with and the Replicators would see the Asuran as a source of technology and resources too great to not attack and consume. Who won would be a matter of how the first encounter took place I wager. If the Replicators attacked first the Asuran would be overrun before they could do much, there are simply too many Replicators and the Asuran have again and again proved vulnerable to surprise attacks. If the Asuran had time to prepare I wager they would be able to hack into and alter/control the Replicators with ease though, the Asuran have superior tech and a higher intellect than even humanform Replicators exhibit. I don't think the Asuran would bother absorbing the Replicators into their society though. The Asuran don't have interest in growing their society or gaining numbers and the Replicators are too alien from the Asuran to be natively absorbed. I actually imagine the Asuran would find the Replicators a bit of a revolting thing, a sort of pale imitation of themselves with none of their creativity, personality, intellect and higher goals. The simplistic consume and replicate goal could be seen as almost an insult to their form of life.

He knows medicine and at least one psychic

Because they had already seeded the Pegasus Galaxy with millions, if not billions or trillions, of human lives that were at risk of being culled by the Wraith. A bunch of space vampires were trying to kill their children. A bunch of space vampires that they had unwittingly created and were responsible for.

@@lauralynnasteriahathaway6819 They still eventually left Pegasus, leaving the humans to fend for themselves, and they didn't bother fighting the Goa'uld when returning to the Milky Way.

@@Jackson-ub1uv They were loosing a War. The Ancients probably protected every populated planet in Pegasus as long as they could. But they lost. As for the Goa'uld, they were created by the Furlings, according to the old stargate mmorpg. And if that isn't canon then they evolved on their home planet naturally. The ancients were very few in number when they returned from Atlantis, and they probably didn't see the Goa'uld as their responsibility, or even as a threat. Keep in mind that Ra found Earth about 6000 years ago, and the Ancients returned 10,000 years ago, 4,000 years before Ra.. As for the ascended ancients and the rest of the others, they have a strict non interference policy, which is smart because power corrupts and the last thing the galaxy needs is a bunch of Anubis' or Ori. Corrupt beings with untold power and a lust for more. Although, I would point out that Goa'uld technology is primarily, or at least largely, based on ancient tech that they stole, or discovered and reverse engineered, but an Ancient was probably made a host at some point.

@@lauralynnasteriahathaway6819 I like to think Anubis had an ancient host when he stsrted his acension quest. Like how Ra had an asgardian, both of them gained power based off the more advanced beings they were literally feeding off of.

Well yhe had just been forced to leave yhe milky way due to some super plague. I mean im sure they didnt waby to coke back to what tjey all assumed would be a galaxy filled with nothing but corpses. I guess they could have crashed with the asgard but i doubt they would have let tge ancients make more of their pet humans.

Correct. In SG-1

One reason why Stargate: Atlantis is garbage.

@@dan8t669 Supposedly those two (Asurans and Replicators) are two different "species" based on a same design. They just made stuff up as they go along. They did the same in SG1

It was the Atlantis expedition that called them Replicators. The Asurans themselves never claimed to be related.

I reckon they were ascended the whole time and everything they did in Pegasus was just role-playing. Makes a lot more sense.

@@Sam-zz7oz The Ancients: OG LARPers

Okay then.

I know what you mean but they both are still created from the same base element: Neutronium. But yes, as a society, there is a big difference between the two. I'm going to update the title. Thanks!

I like the travellers. propably my favorite faction in sga.

Well now the humans have access to the knowledge and history of the Goa'uld, Asgard, Alterans, and presumably now the Ori. But they're still a type zero civilization even if they now posses type two technology. It's still gonna take them a while to figure everything out and implement it on a galactic scale.

@@CoyoteSeven dunno why they are so slow tbh, why use Asgard hyperdrives when you can use alteran, or naquada generator (badly spelt) when you could just use the power sources the asgard use for their ships.

@@smoothie9931 Asgard ships can travel between galaxies in minutes to hours. Alterans can't do that. And Asgard power sources are probably way too complex for Earth to use. It's like giving Columbus an iPhone.

@@hectortroy8671 shame and really?! I thought they would have known, given they are many millions of years ahead of the asgard

Uh... No. The replicators made the first move by deceiving and capturing the Atlantis team when they went to talk to them (if I recall correctly). The replicators started the conflict because they wanted revenge and to destroy Atlantis out of anger towards their creators.

No.

@@Hei_Darkfire Doctor Weir even states that the Replicators see humanity as the favorite child making them jealous and more angrier.

Did you even watch this episode? Literally seconds or minutes after this sequence, they announced plans to go and destroy Atlantis. Sure, the situation got worse later on. But the Replicators weren't innocent. Bearing in mind, they also later planned to wipe out the Wraith by eliminating their feeding stock, aka the Pegasus galaxy Human populations.

Agreed, they’d been abused and continued to know nothing but abuse and when one of them reached out a hand of friendship and tried to bridge that divide they stabbed him in the back

They lost fighting the Wraith for the same reason the Ancients did, not enough resources and manpower. The Asgard ended up hiding on a poisonous planet that not even the Wraith could get to just to avoid their destruction in Pegasus.

@@unitedstatian Those Asgard were unprepared. If they were, perhaps the Wraith would have been beaten back. In a SGA novel, a single Asgard scientist who'd been exiled was smart enough to hold off a Wraith clan.

@@robertfeld5829 what? The asgard were from the ida galaxy. If they were helping the ancients - WHICH THEY WERE they could have easily sent rienforcements. The asgard had the same luck or worse than the ancients. Where do you think the wraith got the tech for culling people??????? The wraith were a powerfull adavanced species that also had the numbers, then stole a zpm and had more numbers. There is much more but you obviously didnt grasp what the writers were putting across. The asgard, while very powerfull had a treaty with the goauld for good reason. Because they were a threat, even to the asgard. And the less problems the asgard had the better. The asgard could have stepped in loads of times to help humanity, they were about, and didnt. Why???? The asgard were not as powerfull as the ancients in anyway really. Asgard beam weapons take at least 4 shots to destroy a hive. The ancients platform did it in one shot. The problem the ancients had in the war was a moral one, not one of tactics and battle as was described in the bloody tv series.

@@nihilityjoey Exactly morals are what held both species back. If they had fought the war the way Anubis or Baal might have fought the war they might have won or steamrolled the wraith even (and great cost but regardless). A good example of this is the Ori. They sent a plague to the milky way galaxy that destroyed all ancient life in it. Later when they invaded during sg1's time they were massacring people left and right in more ways than one with no regard for life at all.

they used the machiavel way

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@@Syberactive Thank you kind sir!

but the name is used due to the way they came to be... by replication. give the replicators that the Asgard fought against more time and those too would be just as advanced as the Asurans. there's a reason why Repli-Carter was probing Daniel jackson mind... it wasnt just for the ancient weapon on Dakara. it was for all the knowledge the ancient had. ZPM, hyperspace engines, drone weaponry, etc. Daniel might not have the knowledge in his head, but he still has a link to the ascended plane. Repli-Carter had all the time to tap onto that after destroying the Ancient weapon. but that is only a possible scenario

They are the replicators though

@@imperiousimmortal8888 So an android phone is basicly an iphone too. Who would've guessed...

Yeah, I got a couple of comments like this. I changed the name to Asurans instead of Replicators because they are both still created from nanites but they are two distinct cultures.

You're not wrong. I asked myself the same question.

I suppose the asurans tried to starve the wraith. The same as they tried when reactivated. And if you include a directive that they couldn't also attack humans, they would become useless as a weapon , since most wraith ships would have humans on board for feeding. And with their own strength depleted ,in sadistic twist of fate, the only way to ensure the survival of the humans was to leave them in the hands of the wraith, since they wouldn't hunt them into extinction in fear of starving themselves.

Because as Niam clearly states they didn’t want to be used as slaves/weapons to protect humans they wanted and had a right to simply exist in a manner they wished

Oberon didn't want to ascend. He kept the society overall from ascending.

Maybe the Ancients decided to pull the plug on them when the Asurans started trying to kill all humans to starve the Wraith, just as the Atlantis expedition began turning on them for the exact same reason.

Because they evolved into a sentient race who DIDN’T WANT TO BE USED AS SLAVES/WEAPONS Niam says this quite clearly, the Ancients wanted a weapon the Asurans just want to be…

So it seems that Reese was built with similar technology to the Replicators. Possibly by one of the scientists that worked on the Replicator project in Atlantis. stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Reese

Well she sure was the original creator at this time, for both spectators and writters. Then writters went like, mah fuck it let's add tons to this.

EricIseeU Lol. Honestly does look like this now you've mentioned it. The fact that it lasted about 10 years or more (can't remember and I'm drunk) makes me think of how many teams of writers did they go through when doing each season, all the spin offs and it's eventual demise on Universe.

i remember her too

I believe it was Season 5 episode 19 "menace".

It was the golden era. Let’s just be happy that we have the DVDs.

The Orville is pretty solid imo. It's more star trek than discovery.

The expanse is one of the best sci-fi shows currently in production. There are still good sci-fi shows. But yes. A lot of bad ones too

Nah. They're "separate but equal". The Ancients created nanites themselves which began to emulate their creators.

I think the showrunners dropped the ball on this one. DIY "toy" AI-Replicator invention built by a brilliant tinkerer - vs - militarized/weaponized AI-Replicator invention built by the minds and resources of an entire civilization.

Yeah Jason Moana was in Stargate Atlantis at the begining of his career

Reggy2000 they were to cool to have on off switches xD

Because the ancients didn't think to put an on or off switch

@@imperiousimmortal8888 and we call them the smartesg beings in the universe xD

@@Marguns21 May be it seemed like a bad idea to put an off-switch onto an weapon they planed to release on their mortal enemies? Wraiths are far from stupid and although they were technologically inferior to lantians, they were still pretty advanced (which in SG unverse reads as "pretty much able to mess with lantian technology), so I bet lantians disliked the idea of some wraith scientist isolating some nanites, finding an off switch, then experimenting with the tech safely and then sending it back reprogrammed.

@@sirien.neiris well i guess, maybe they should have had a central commandcenter and use them as dronlike creatures. so when a certain signal came out they could be turned of and then dissposed off instead of destroying a destroying the surface of the planet. like it would have been more safe just to blow it up honestly. Or order them to take a ship and fly into the nearest sun.

Yes.

the milky way replicator fifth di the same thing.

It isn't the fact she let go of his hand that made it end, it was that she was ready for it to end. Letting go was simply symbolic.