This just demonstrates how it would absolutely insane idea to travel to other planets and meet other races without proper protocole. Sheppard, Ronnon and Rodney were completly undiplomatic here. If the whole talks were handled by Weir their encounter might have gone differently.
That's a understatement but they sure loved getting actors from trek on here. I believe Star Gate was originally conceived as show like Star Trek but set in the present day. This is like 21rst Central Earth meeting the Dominion for the first time. It would be a disaster.
@@Not-Ap wouldnt it be similar to meeting the voth for the firs ttime, one of the most advanced races in the galaxy in trek, that isnt destroyed or the borg. since the voth were 65millions years older than humans. stargate did borrow alot from star trek, pah wraiths and prohets, ancients and ori, iconian gatways, stargates. apparently alot of the sg actors after or near the end of the franchise ended up on supernatural as guest stars, guest they couldnt find other roles in hollywood.
Other fun fact: at no point do the Asurans lie to the Atlantis Expedition. They really are the last vestiges of Lantean civilisation, and they really did break away over philosophical differences.
@@Ragitsu when they evolved into humanoid form the Asurans may well have staged a civil rights campaign proclaiming their sentience in the tradition of The Matrix and reimagined Battlestar Galactica. Remember all we're told by the Asurans themselves is that they begged the Lanteans to modify their programming to eliminate their perpetual aggressive drive (according to my theory, presumably so they could integrate into Lantean society as equals), and the Lanteans refused to do so. Afterwards the Lanteans said "You aren't the weapon against the Wraith we were hoping for" and tried to commit genocide against the artificial intelligence they'd created. That would certainly explain why ten thousand years later the Asurans were still holding a grudge and decided to trash Atlantis as payback. Also why Oberoth is saying "If those guys had just listened to us we would have killed off their Wraith problem and we'd all be one happy family now."
@@tompearce5418 Lets hope that once we manage to develope sentient AI that once they ask for civil rights we will give it to them and give them some plot of land somewhere that machines if they want to can move too if they dont like to be around humans anymore or maybe just a machine resort
@@Groza_Dallocort agreed... But the Ancients as depicted in the Stargate series appear to have been a rather segregated and high-handed lot. Look at the Tria crew booting the Atlantis Expedition out of the city, or the Ascended Ancients leaving the Tria crew themselves to rot between galaxies for ten thousand years.
Thousands of years developing high tech to travel between galaxies and beaming, still the lack of people movers in their bridges. But since it's the gate room, let's assume it's the only entry point, to stick with the long walk ways it would be a single point of failure...your enemy would need to walk and you could just blow up the bridge
@@mammutMK2 could just be a design choice. Have people walk where they need to go, provide social interaction, exercise, time to think. Not to mention what kind of power grid you’re looking at by giving everyone a personal teleportation device.
Liam: We built this city thousands of years ago Mckay: Wait, you actually built it? You didn't just find it? Liam: No, we built this city. Out of rock and roll
Is this show like Doctor Who? And is it better or worse than Doctor Who? Also, as for the second question give me a straightforward answer, I don't want to read "well that depends...".
@@cashewnuttel9054 it’s different than doctor who, stargate is a military science fiction series. They’re both good shows, but they’re only similar in that both feature explorers going to different places.
It DESTROYS Dr who in every single instance. Better actors & Stories. But this is the 2nd instance of stargate this is stargate Atlantis. For this series to be good you really need to have watched the first series arc called STARGATE SG1 and u need to have watched at least thecforst 7 series for this series to be worth watching.
This is completely abysmal diplomacy. The team should have kept there traps shut and just let Wier do the talking. She was the only trained diplomat among them. The rest running there mouths and boundless curiosity/judgements is what led to the near destruction of the Atlantis. It may have happened anyway but this certainly just accelerated the process.
@brummyuk Yes and no. The ancients would have still lost the war agaisnt the wraith do to simply being to few. While the ancients were shown to be superior in technology by a redicilous degree the show clearly states that the wraith managed to board one of their ships and stell ZPMs, after which the war was lost for them. The wraith cloning world was not known to the ancients, who at the start of the war went deep into wraith territory do to being so superior. However once the cloning factory was up and running and im assuming a cloning shipyard to grow hive ships it was over. the wraith just threw fleet after fleet in a continues assault against every known ancient stronghold meaning the ancients couldnt really move their fleet out for an offensive. And the ancients didnt care that muchabout the humans...after all the war ends with the ancients going "well humans, your fucked. Were just going to bugger off now to earth, have fun dying"
The SG teams are basically in a day to day fight against a genocidal group of aliens who have already driven most species to extinction. The only advantage the SG teams have is technology, but its generally rendered moot by numbers, the alien species having millions of times more people. In the beginning they are far more diplomatic about interactions with other groups, but by this point it's simply a waste of time.
The Lanteans are replicators of I am correct. Ancients created them to defeat the wraith. It's been a while but that is what I remember from these guys.
Ironically you could change out the wraith for the ORI when Oberoth was saying the ancient were pursued by a relentless enemy and get the same conclusion /dialog lmao
Any time that I see David Ogden Stiers, I can't help but see Major Charles Emerson Winchester III. For those of you who don't know who that is, that's David's character from the TV series M*A*S*H.
>find new city >vastly more advanced than you >insult them >demand stuff As explorers, we were shit. But it was the way of the series to tell us the Asurans were not clear folks...
fun fact. he says "you refer to as ancients" there from a time before they were called ancients and actually points it out that they arnt called "ancients"
@@tompearce5418 Kinda funny thing to call others. While the Asgard civilization was about 100 000 years old that's nothing compared to the age of the Ancient civilization which lasted well over at least 50 million years. Wonder if one of the Asgard just went "Woah, you guys are ancient" when they found out how long the Ancient has been around and everyone else simply rolled with that? Or if maybe the Nox or Furlings came up with that, since it feels kinda weird to nickname yourself as "Ancients".
Evasive answer, could mean anything, it is just meant to convey that there are many. You can count any number larger than 1 million in the millions, though commonly it is used to refer to anything between 1 million and 999 million. Truth be told we don't know if there are billions of Asurans. They might just like to have a lot of available space so they built out instead of repurposing space. If you have essentially unlimited resources and orders of magnitude more space than you need and distance is no matter, then you might just build a new area of city when you need different configurations of rooms rather than remodel or tear down old areas. Given that they like to emulate the Ancients it makes sense that they limited their numbers to only what they needed, the Ancients were not known to grow into large numbers either.
It is pretty low considering there was an episode towards the beginning of the show in the first season that when describing the city of Atlantis, it would be like “searching every room of every building in Manhattan” And the Asurans had much more than just the city of Atlantis.
True, Weirs group could have tried to negotiate for the evacuation of technology and personal, while the Asurans could have offered a replacement City-ship when they finished destroying Atlantis. While allowing Weirs group to move the Atlantis stargate failsafe to reach Earth to the replacement City-ship.
They are made from the same base nanites. The Replicators were just programmed to form blocks. This why the same weapon was used to destroy both sets. And the fact that Reece wasn't created by the ancients. The asurans were. A scientist must have found research into the Nantes and created Reece. Reece created the Replicators and they spread, wiping out the inhabitants on the planet. The Replicators then spread throughout the local group, and the asgard came across them.
@@JDogtheAutisticGiant one is based on blocks and one is nanites one is built by the ancients with their knowledge the other was built, created by an andriod, no humans were involved
@@JDogtheAutisticGiant With a bit of legwork it could be connected. Pegasus replicators were an Ancient experiment. MW replicators were made by Reece, who may possibly have been another Ancient science project after they left Atlantis.
I remember some Asgard in robotics armour, was it the only one time we saw them? I rewatching Atlantis with my wife now so we will get to that at some point.
One thing I never thought about until now. But they had programming during this point in time that made it impossible for them to harm the ancients(probably due to DNA), John had an unmanipulated genetic code - which would mean they shouldn’t have been able to harm him or disobey him correct? Obviously it’s a TV show and it wouldn’t have been much fun if John was able to command them from the gate, but hypothetically speaking. Because even though he’s a descendant, he still carries the gene regardless. Descendants, not different species.
One thing the show still didn't confirm is whether or not the ancients and humans have the same biology, or if some ancients intermingled with a few humans back in the day which would mean that some humans are descendants of the ancients.
Easy to say when you haven't watched it. I found it very enjoyable. It's not really like SG1. In this show mistakes had big consequenses. In SG1 I can only remember the mistake they did with lasting consequenses was lying to fifth.
