I dont hate Jeff's falsetto but i agree it's overused, and i love his natural voice. Get in my mouth and america is great again are two of my favourites because of it
i don't hate it either, but it's not my favorite. i doubt it should be used very often unless he really works on his falsetto. starkid should just put more shine on their sopranos head voice.
He gets the best out of his falsetto when he's using it for comedy, imo. Compare his final high note in What Do You Want, Paul w/ that "I can show you the path" line from Monsters and Men (Reprise): they both end up sounding goofy, but in the latter it doesn't seem like it's on purpose.
Honestly in Black Friday I noticed him hitting a lot of insane notes full voiced that he usually would only attempt in falsetto. Hopefully we'll see more of it. I'm new here, and I'm currently in my honeymoon stage finding everyone's niche. I only just got to the part where you realize how just insanely technically proficient Jeff Blim is. I mean he makes great choices on the fly, and is a great improvisor. Plenty of feeling. Soulful even. But powering the engine is just staggering technical prowess.
I don't suuuuper mind Jeff's falsetto (though he's my favorite so I acknowledge that I'm biased) but whenever he pulls out his really strong natural range I do feel a bit cheated that he doesn't stick to it more
I think I really really only loved his falsetto during tgwdlm when he was singing the ending not in what do you want for comedic purposes. But I love his voice nonetheless.
Honestly, it wasn't until Trail to Oregon that I saw just how bloody talented Rachel and Corey were. I think splitting that season into two separate casts definitely enabled those two to show their amazing voices.
Show stoppin' number had EVERYTHING. The amazing singing, the passion and personality, the energy, the amazing song itself, the COMEDY, the CHOREOGRAPHY UGH YES, the lyrics, the harmonies In this essay i will
It can still be criticized, like the final chorus choreography being shotty, the whole song being a family guy-level side tangent with no real significance to the story, and redundant spoken word refrains.
@@gspiderstudios the choreography being subpar isnt subjective. You can say it's not that important, but you cant say it's actually well performed. Its objectively poor choreography.
Your Show Stopping Number bit made me realise how tired Robert must have been singing that. I mean, it's not exactly an easy song to sing, and he's doing the dance, and he just came from the cop song where he's once again doing a relatively hard dance (while in both his Hidgens and cop costume so he can do the quick change)
the two songs I can think of as 'the cop song' happen way before (Show Me Your Hands, towards the end of act 1 while ssn is robert's second scene in act 2) or right after (America is Great Again, starts after Ted leaves Paul and Emma at Henry's house). everything else is true though! it's a challenging song and he's very on top of it
i really disliked trail to oregon’s ending (although it is also one of my favorite starkid shows) and the only thing i actually liked about the ending is when the son says “i don’t see a light, i just see a skeleton in a robe going “c’mere, c’mere””
The problem for me is that it's one long shit/fart joke and it's also meant to be sort of emotional and you're probably going to watch it five times. I like naked in a lake at its core but it takes a while to get good and it's a weird thing to end on. I do like the line "who would choose one of the children *looks at audience*" though that's really fun
Ya. It was supposed to be funny but I just don’t think farts are funny :/. Otherwise it’s a great musical though. And the naked in a lake song was just so so.
join us (and die) really allowed jamie lyn beatty’s incredible voice to shine. her chest voice belt was wonderful, and her ability to sneak in the breath between words and still have enough air to sing loudly and clearly is excellent.
i don’t agree with half of these but at the end of the day we all ADORE team starkid and that beats all!! we are all still friends!!! and i love that !!!
Woah reading the comments I’m starting to think loving Not Your Seed is actually a more unpopular opinion, idk it’s just so perfectly tailored to Bill’s fears of Alice being like “I’m a bad girl now and because you didn’t protect me” that it cripples him so a big part of why I like it (besides the amazing vocals) is seeing Corey’s character react to it I guess 🤷♀️
I just feel like it would have more of an impact if Alice was a larger character. Sure we get Bills perspective on Alice but only a few scenes of just Alice
I just wasnt a huge fan because i thought she was supposed to be an alien so i didnt really understand why she was still trying to guilt trip bill instead of making him an alien too
I really like “not your seed” because It layers on all the guilt that the guy has about his daughter and it presents it in such a way that it makes me cry... But I am extremely emotional, so take that as you will.
My main problem with it is the lyrics. Literally every time Alice is brought up, Bill wants to get back together with her. The entirety of Not Your Seed is the Hive mocking Bill for not wanting to spend enough time with her. Also, it calls Deb a hardcore stoner, even though the one scene we see her in, she's giving up smoking for her girlfriend. However, it does back up my pet theory of the Hive steadily knowing more and being able to subsume more knowledge from a singular brain as it grabs more people. Therefore, of course it would torture him with the very thing that he was afraid of. "It's all your fault! That was the last thought that went through my brain before they broke down the door." There's literally no reason that the Hive would tell the truth here. In this essay I will
I thought Lauren's were kinda funny plus her rolling on the ground is classic, the mom and sister made up for it with how they were "revived" and Corey's (Rachel's too) good voice distracted me so it didn't bother me as much. Jeff Blim's was really annoying to me though and he played it up so much more unnecessarily.
The whole dysentery scene is funny the first time you see it. After that, watching it once with subtitles is humorous. Once you’ve done those things, just skip over the dying and watch Naked in a Lake.
Due to the backlash it's gone full circle. I personally don't think it's their best song, but I love it and it is my favourite from TGWDLM. It was my first musical of theirs too, so I had no previous influence to like some songs more than others. It just really stood out to me when I watched it.
Show Stoppin’ Number is an amazing song, not only because of the lyrics and such, but how it was preformed! Robert did an amazing job getting into this character and it shows so well in the song!
Out of all of these I fully agree with Rachel being underrated! Oh my god no one ever talks about her. Yes Lauren is fantastic, Jamie is brilliant and Meredith is amazing but Rachel is such a talented performer in all the roles she plays!!
I have been a fan of StarKid for a few months now and when I watched TTO, although the mother was kind of annoying, I thought Rachel really got into character making us kinda thinking she was an uptight mother. Emberly ( Firebringer) and the Princess (Twisted) were really well done by her too. The power in me was very emotional and she played that very well.
I don’t think Alice got enough attention in TGWDLM to have “not your seed”. In other words, I feel like the song would have been way more effective if she had more of a relationship with Bill. I think that his reaction to zombified Alice was well written, but I think that I would have genuinely cried if we got more from Alice besides the montage before the meteor hits. Instead, she ends up being really forgettable and there’s a bit of tonal whiplash when the whole “we all have to speak at the same time thing” happens. One final note is that Paul had basically no reaction. I’m not blaming this on Jon Matteson because I genuinely think he’s a great actor, but as Bill said earlier, he used to pick up Alice from school, and according to Bill, she thinks he’s cool. It would have made that little confrontation between Paul and Alice before McNamera shows up so much more tense if they had an established relationship besides those few lines about Paul going to see Mamma Mia. I still think that TGWDLM is good, but Alice should have either gotten more character, or a cut from the script.
But it isn’t about Alice. It’s about Bill and his relationship with her just like it has been the entire time. Maybe it’s not intentional, but she even says that herself. Bill never really pays attention to what his daughter wants but rather who is the favorite parent or why he deserves to spend time with his daughter without her gf tagging along. It’s never about Alice because he only thinks that he gives her the attention she deserves
I think the best example of that is the line “Did you know that I wanted to live with you? And when you needed to fight, you gave her that too” I understand that you wish Alice was around more and I think she wishes that too. She felt like a background character in her own father’s story just like she is in the musical
I headcanon that show stopping number (the only song written and performed by a human) is the only song that has any real human emotion and thoughts and feelings and meaning behind it, and anything sung by a goo infected human is literally just an alien hivemind trying to replicate the sort of thing they think a human would sing about without understanding what that person actually felt and was like when alive. They instead just sing whatever will hurt/convince any remaining humans to join them. For example, human Sam clearly does not care about Charlotte, but in goo form he's suddenly singing about how she's stolen his heart and how he loves her. And Paul the whole time says how he hates musicals and near the end is willing to sacrifice his own life to destroy the meteor and save emma and the rest of humanity, but then at then end, he's been infected and is trying to sing about how emma should join them, something human paul would obviously never do. And finally with alice, the in the last we hear of human alice is when she's calling her father for help, and though we don't hear what she says, it's clear she told Bill she loves him, probably because she understood there was a real chance she may die and at least wanted him to know that. But then when they arrive and see infected alice, the first thing she does is claim the last thing alice thought was that everything was Bill's fault, despite the phonecall leading us to think otherwise, and then they sing a song about how they think alice feels about bill, but they get details wrong, like alice's age, about debbie being a hardcore stoner (even if she does smoke, we see earlier in the play that debbie admonishes stoners for trying to pressure alice into smoking, and then ditches them to be with alice, calling the stoners "losers") and they completely misrepresent how alice actually felt about her dad in an attempt to force bill to off himself and join them. I mean, literally infected alice picks up the shotgun while paul is trying to talk bill down, and SHOOTS HIM IN THE HEAD. I don't think it's hard to say that human alice would never shoot her own father. A human is dead the moment they become infected, what's left is an alien using their corpse and trying to act like how they think the human does, but they fail, because they don't understand that sometimes, you can't convey the breadth and entirety of an entire lifetime of thoughts and feelings into a single song.
@@maplepainttube8158 Your theory makes so much sense it physically hurts me. Also, both times Alice tries to kill her father she's 1º being controlled by and 2º under the influence of one of the Lords In Black.
I’m not sure if it’s unpopular? But of all the Starkid shows I’ve seen, Twisted is by far the best. Plot, characters, jokes, and ESPECIALLY music wise.
Twisted is by far my favorite it is actually how I got into the Starkid fandom. I had already watched all the AVP's but hadn't yet gotten into the fandom. I knew they had a lot of other shows, but I didn't know how to approach them. So months later I was on a bus and decided to watch the most approachable of their shows a mixture of Disney and Wicked. Then I fell in love with the show and the company and needed MORE and here I am.
Actually music was kinda my least favourite part of Twisted, I thought the instrumentation was really nice but I wish the songs could have been more original instead of clearly trying to be soundalikes to Disney songs, I know that was the point but to me they just ended up sounding like inferior versions of good songs
Nicholas Purcell I see what you’re saying, but I think the amazing vocal prowess of a lot of the performers (prime example-DYLAN) and a lot of the really witty lyrics took that concept and ran with it. All the illicit disney references, for example, or the line “whether tis nobler in the mind, to be well liked but ineffectual, or be moral but maligned,” which is so heavy with meaning. The only song I wasn’t into? Twisted. I think it felt really forced.
Aliceson Orbe I do agree that the lyrics from Twisted were very good, as opposed to songs by Jeff which are usually my favourite in terms of music but slightly weaker lyrically. I also like how the music is arranged in Twisted, nice to see some more variety in the instruments since the other shows are mostly bass drums and keyboards
I have to agree very strongly with 13. His falsetto was extremely overused in TGWDLM, and, as the composer he should have made Let It Out lower to make it easier and better for Paul (sorry, I forgot the actor's name, I'm sorry!) to sing. I mean, a C#5 for the very first note you sing in a show? That's really high even for the highest tenors!
Definitely agree about Jeff. Listening to him sing “show stopping number” in his natural range was amazing! And then he switched to falsetto. Just doesnt sound... real? I guess
@@sassonfire6808 Ok but can we take a moment to appreciate that character? He's got this weird quality where he can be saying something like 'all hail Achmed, the tiger f*cker' and still sound like an innocent bean... and 'those are stretch marks, they happen' is such a great line and the delivery is so earnest and great and look I love Robert Manion ok.
He was the Starkid I was most nervous to meet at TGWDLM, I nearly broke down and awkwardly asked for a hug after saying something I barely remember that equates to something like “I love everything you do”
Starship deserves way more recognition. "Hideous Creatures" is actually a really good song. Twisted is just a teensy bit overrated. Still great, but a little overhyped. "Climate Change" isn't bad, but it's disappointing compared to the rest of Firebringer's soundtrack. Jemilla and Zazzalil have a really cute relationship, and I love that they get together before the end of the play. Seeing them as a couple is nice. Black Friday's cast is probably the best we've seen so far. Firebringer is very underrated, and is often shafted in ranking or reward videos. Not Your Seed is pretty good, especially at selling the tension in Alice and Bill's relationship. Corey and Rachel have absolutely amazing voices. Rachel is an amazing actress. Her performance in Twisted especially- she really pulled of Jasmine's idiotic sincerity.
i like not your seed bc i like how it shows the alien manipulating Bill with his weak spots and where they know it will hurt. honestly the emotional part was unneeded and felt shoehorned in to be like “look guys, angst!”. when honestly it couldn’t been just pure, delightful alien malice and it would’ve had the exact same impact.
I do really love Firebringer, but I think you’re right that some of the repeated jokes really don’t land. I did laugh a lot, but it was definitely much less than other Starkid shows. Those Brian and Nick ones though,,, you are completely correct.
@@laurenmanion861: The thing I like least is the swearing. I heard from an unreliable source that TGWDLM has more swearing than Firebringer, but Firebringer's swearing seems more forced and like swearing for swearing's sake.
@@laurenmanion861 Funnily enough (and please don't kill me guys) the whole Starkid humour very rarely ever lands for me, it's just not my taste at all. It's almost like I 'bear with it' for the creative storytelling, awesome songs and dances, brilliant acting, wonderful vibe in general - and damn, the creativity of it all - as well as the genuinely touching moments that all their musicals have. I never really dared to say it online but from the comments this seems to be a safe space, so here goes nothing. ^^
I thought Firebringer was hilarious for most of it, but Shwoopsie was NOT doin it for me. I guess the joke is that Shwoopsie isn't funny at all, but like how the fuck are we supposed to laugh at something not funny?
I think that they should've still dragged the body to Oregon, and maybe had an endearing number about the importance of sticking with your people through thick and thin. Throw in a couple jokes here and there of course, but I think it's a lot more of a cohesive ending imo. I still absolutely love that show though!
It had some really good concepts, like having modern day speech with obvious holes in it, and "normal" things or actions being discovered, but it didn't have the kind of clever jokes that a lot of their other works have had
i might be reading too much into it but i think that kinda shows how genius they are cuz it’s a play about cave men and they were pretty dumb and probably thought anything random was entertaining you know. i mean it’s probably just me but it makes me feel like i’m actually watching cave men on stage. so it may not be super funny but if that’s what they were trying to do it’s pretty effective to me at least
Most of their shows have at least one running joke of that nature which is super funny and for firebringer I think it was the duck, but the rest of the jokes being of that same nature are hit or miss.
@@pepper12399 basically they are saying that thinking show stopping number is overrated is the unpopular opinion, while thinking it's the best is a popular opinion
Yes. Just yes. TGWDLM is my all time favourite Starkid show. It was the first show (beside AVPM) of their i watched, and after that i watched many of their other ones, and nothing compares to how good tgwdlm is.
I really think they peaked with it, I love all of their show but it's the only one where there wasn't a single scene that felt..forced or over the top to me? That's personal preference I guess ahah, but it's my favourite they've done so far
@@estherfichtenholz4838 I had to fast forward almost all his parts in blackfriday, they're like all falsetto. Just because he can doesn't mean he should all the time :////
나는 누구야 god, this fandom needs to learn what a falsetto is. You can say you don’t like his upper register, but he literally only uses his falsetto ONCE in Black Friday. Christ. Try to know what you’re talking about.
Maddie Imm like I said before, I slipped most of the times he went to his higher register so I genuinely don’t know how often he ditched from his head voice to falsetto. During other productions, he tends to use a mix so I assumed this show would be the same.
I love that Darren was mouthing the words for Bonnie's verse because he literally wrote it the day before and wanted to make sure she had all the words
I mostly understand/respect all of these except I think Firebringer is hilarious, but I do get that people have different humor preferences so I ain’t offended
For me, Firebringer is proof that a musical doesn’t need to be of great intelligence be good and enjoyable. In its ingenuity and simplicity, I find it to be really funny (although with a few jokes that do fall flat), creative, and one of Starkid’s best.
I feel like they were really funny in teh context of the show but since the video only shiwed the punchline I can get how one would think they are boring Also, I don't wan't to do the work today is a meme song and we all know it
Matilda Ryder the bit where they kept saying the beginning of an idiom like “two sides of the same coin” but finishing with “....I don’t even know what?” Really annoys me especially since they say it the exact same way every time. But damn it’s got some great jokes
I think that the ending for TGWDLM makes sense, it's an apocalypse, you can't expect a happy ending for it, but for the Trail to Oregon, I hate the ending. A character dies, there is a while song for their death, but are immediately revived afterwards. I believe that the death is super unnecessary as they are brought back immediately just for that happy ending.
Yessss!!!!!!!! Robert did SUCH a good job with that song with his natural accent being Australian and his voice naturally being deep he did such a great job with it!
Most of these are reasonable but I was crushed when you mentioned “not your seed” oh boy do I love that song and I was personally offended. I’m gonna sue
My biggest unpopular opinion is that A Very Potter Sequel is better than the original by a lot. Both are great, but the sequel is fantastic. Also, Joey Ritcher is my favorite Starkid member, but I don't know how unpopular that is.
I think the Bonnie/Meredith thing is also partially to do with the quality of the versions we've seen of them? If the original VPM had been recorded better I think it would've been more fair
i think america is great again is AMAZING- the problem is it comes right after show stopping number, which is such a fan favorite so whatever comes after obviously can't live up to it.
@@laurenmanion861 Both were great- Bonnie created that version of Hermione while Meredith made it her own and had the added pressure of Starkid being massively popular and knowing it would be all over the internet AND that some people would compare her to Bonnie. I hope none of them actually feel that kind of pressure though because I'd imagine it's a lot to live up to
Honestly Meredith is more openly flawed as hermione- smug about being smarter than everyone, a little unapproachable and self superior. It’s easier to sympathise with bonnies hermione but merediths feels more real
I think Meredith's is over the top, which is fitting because as the fandom grew, the characters became charicatures of the original, especially in AVPSY. It worked for that production and Bonnie's worked for hers
I agree with number 9, but Joey Richer had some o the best acting of his in that show, I love the scene where he tries to get Harry back, so powerful, even if the audio messed it up some. Edit: also I agree heavily with numbers 10, 11, and 16
I think firebringer is funny when you think about the fact that the humor is simple because they are cavemen. They have the humor of 13 year old boy because it’s simplistic and cavemen are simplistic
Lavender Roses I think it’s overused but if you listen to the soundtracks it can sound really good recorded well, for example at the end of what do you want Paul it’s great in the recording
i know its your opinion, but i think that bonnie brought the imperfection that hermione has, meredith makes her too sweet and it just doesnt seem like hermione...
S Christie or the whole squirrel part ‘no don’t give him a family’ and Lauren’s ‘I just finished killing my family’ and the whole squirrels are better at collecting bits then we will ever be part
Emberly's completely heartfelt "you would part with this hideous, shit-covered rock for me?" and basically all of the painting scene gets me every time. Or maybe I'm just a simp for Rachael, idk
I remember during “show stopping number” when he went “business calls, I’m up to my ass in shit” I BURST OUT LAUGHING the first time I watched it and had to rewind it because I couldn’t hear over my own laughing Also YES Ani is so underrated, and I remember looking up of the music was original because it was so good and had such 80s vibes I thought they were covers
Alright I mostly agree with 10/16! Dream a Little Harder is definitely very good. Charlotte was annoying but I didn’t really dislike her. Brian Holden is absolutely incredible. We Got Work To Do got outside of the fandom and I heard it way too much but the rest of the song is good. I really wish they’d been able to have a better production of AVPSY because they had so many people involved. Nick is so great!!!!! Obviously I love Show Stoppin Number. Ani has beautiful songs, the band included Clark and Meredith so of course it was great. MAMD is awesome, underrated, and funny probably because they really didn’t censor themselves. I WOULD CRY IF CLARK GOT A BIGGER ROLE OH MY GODS HE’S GREAT.
Personally I found Firebringer quite funny and enjoyable, but everyone has an opinion and I respect that. I agree with 'We got work to do' because it's overused outside the fandom BUT it is how I found Firebringer, and then Team Starkid, and so on, so I am grateful for that
anxious_ floss exactly! i wonder what my opinion would be if it wasn’t what got me into starkid. i think it’s not the best starkid show but it’ll always have that sentimental place and i still enjoy the music, plot, and comedy. we got work to do is just overplayed and not the best song in the soundtrack
tbh I mostly liked bonnie's hermione for her 'the coolest girl' performance and not over enunciating some stuff but other than that I think meredith's hermione is really great
I can never tell how I feel about Meredith's Hermione because there are a lot of jokes made by/about Hermione in AVPSY that just make me uncomfortable to a greater extent than Hermione jokes in the other two shows (the implication that she was molested while petrified gets played for laughs and then brushed aside?? yikes) and her earnestness in delivering them really doesn't help :/ I don't mean to blame Meredith for those jokes though, and I believe that Starkid has come a long way over the years and some of their more off-color jokes from past shows would be handled with far more care today (i.e. McDoon in Trail to Oregon and Aladdin in Twisted are laughed at for being creeps rather than Mouthface or the Princess being laughed at for being victims of said creeps) ...this got off-topic pretty fast but it's something I've had on my mind for a while now and I guess I just needed to Let It Out (ha ha), would love to hear other people's thoughts on the subject!!
I think Meredith captured Hermione's nervous energy better than Bonnie, while Bonnie was a more cool, level headed Hermione, so I guess it's up to preference. Meredith also had to contest with Bonnie's legacy for the character, so she might have been trying too hard to be a different version of Hermione.
"Show Stopping Number" is truly a show stopping number, something for shock'em. It captures classic Broadway musical numbers so well and was done only by one performer without having any back dancers or assembles.
The thing with Jeff's falsetto is that his notes are actually perfect almost all of the time. The only issue with it is that I don't think he's singing some words properly or correctly, and tends to sing them as if it were still in his chest voice and supporting it like it was his chest voice. No disrespect to him, I'm sure he's a professional. But if he was more accurate with his vocal modulations (mouth shape when singing a certain vowel) and adjusted it accordingly to where in his range he's singing, and got a bit more proper support for his falsetto then I reckon it'd be less annoying.
I mean is Rachel underrated? I love her, but she has played two leading roles. Yes, she could do more, but it's not like she has done nothing, while Corey indeed is underrated
I think it's less about her roles and more about the amount of praise from fans. Sh doesn't get talked about nearly as much as some of the others even though she is just as talented. Either way Corey is definitely underrated love him ❤
A lot of people didn’t realize she played both Emberly and the mother/Slippery When Wet and I think that’s partially because she isn’t talked about often. The first name I learned was Lauren’s and then probably Joey’s because they are very popular in the fandom , more so than Rachel. I would say even Meredith is underrated in the same way
@@christalcavanaugh I love Rachel so much! All her roles are so different from each other and she does such a wonderful job. The only reason I could tell Princess from Twisted was also Slippery when wet is because of her distinct voice!
I agree with 8-13 and 16. Corey really needs more love, Ani was great, and I hate fart jokes (although I do love the daughter pretending to be dead in her ending).
For no.7 not your seed is one of my favourite songs, it just has a lot of emotion and really shows pff a character that didnt have much of a story at all
I was in agreement until 7. For things like Charlotte, they're things I learned to love especially knowing what happens later in the musical, but "Not Your Seed" was so impact every time I watched it.
ANI is devastatingly underrated! That’s the show that I go to when I’ve had a bad day or I need a pick-me-up. And I love that it gives the less talented singers in Starkid a time to shine. I wish people gave it the love it deserves.
I love Clark. He's an amazing singer, super nice, and just a great musician overall, but while we all know he'd do great as singer for a lead role I don't know how he'd actually do on the acting front just because he seems like a shy guy who wouldn't be up for some stuff. But still, we all know that he doesn't have to be an actor to be the super talented guy he is
1. AGREED 2. DISAGREE (it's the final third of the title song) 3. disagree 4. Now I'm upset 5. Agree 6. HOW DARE YOU 7. it does drag on a bit 8. disagree, let's get naked in a lake 9. Agree but the ending is still the most emotional of all their shows (because of the implications) 10. AGREED 11. Not even the best in the show, but it is very good (I will defend Let It Out to the death) 12. AGREED 13. Kinda agreed 14. Mostly agreed (tied with Ani for funniest for me, because that's where the humor comes in) 15. #justiceForCourtney 16. Devyn Lytle would like a word
I started Starkid with TGWDLM and I had binged all the other shows but Show Stopping Number has still been my favorite through them all. The only one that got close was Kick it Up a Notch.
