The state of mich,did nothing. First of all they should have dropped doe tag prices to 5 dollars across the board and a one buck rule for atleast 2 years. I am very disappointed about the lack of concern for the deer herd. It is obvious this is about money.
You don't want the legislature making decisions where wildlife is concerned, it will become more political than it is now. He who throws the most money to the politicians will have their way and you won't have a voice. I've lived in states where one or the other controlled decisions. The states where a regularly appointed board with term limits make decisions based on best known facts have far more to offer than ones where the legislature is in control. Turn it over to politicians the Farm Bureau will lobby for wiping the deer herd out completely!
Sadly the dnr has little say, it's all the NRC nowadays making poor decisions. It's a broken system now because all decisions are based off political influence and not proposal G as voters required.
Typical government policies that treat the symptoms, but do not address a cure. Other states with healthier herds have provided a template for Michigan to follow, but it is disregarded due to greed surrounding license revenue.
This is why our hunting numbers In Michigan are declining And hunters myself included are heading out west to hunt. Our state has failed the hunters with A liberal Buck harvest. We should only be harvesting one buck per hunter in that buck should be in the upper class if we want to increase the QUALITY of bucks in this state.
We have told MI officials for years they should do like Ohio and go to 1 buck and check your county deer records. That will tell you if how many or any for said county doe limits need to be placed.
I love how everyone has the answer when they don’t have a clue. Look, insurance companies and insurance lobbyists run the MDNR. They get what they want and the hunter gets the shaft. This is a great way to produce higher kill numbers… if there was the hunters to do it. I know several hunters that used to hunt and never miss a day now they don’t want to bother because of all the rules and restrictions. One old hunter told me, I need to hire a lawyer every year just so I don’t misunderstand the rules and get fined. I understand his point. Right now Michigan is at an all time low for hunters since hunting became a licensed sport given the difference of population differences between then and now. How many guys and girls do you know that USED to hunt. I’ve lost count and the future is not bright. Good luck ladies and gentlemen
The sportsman is a very low priority "stakeholder". All the dnr public meetings (DMI) is just a front to pretend they care about the outdoor sportsman. Heaven forbid they upset our bank rolling them with our license dollars. NRC members are appointed by the governor, they do what they are told which is influenced by special interest groups.
Each hunter has a certain amount of hours they can dedicate to a hunting season. By January I don’t even think about it anymore. If the State is wanting more licenses to be purchased then opening day should be moved to second Saturday in November and end on November 30 each year.
The main reason for wolf reintroduction and protection in U.P. was to lower the deer herd numbers, no other reason. Their cover story (excuse) is the endangered species act. If they could get away with it you better believe they'd have a large growing population of wolves in the lower peninsula. The nrc wants the deer herd numbers low, their "stakeholders" and lobbyists are demanding it. The nrc members are hand picked by the governor. The common outdoor sportsman is far from the DNRs primary stakeholder, we are very low in the pecking order.
Live in Johnson city TN, have a huge issue with the deer living in town, they destroyed my garden, bushes, fruit trees and keep me up at night when they wake up my dogs that sleep with me in bed. During hunting season you have to be a 1,000 feet from a dwelling to use a compound bow, which means hunting is really outlawed and the state has a small bag limit on does, which my neighborhood is completely overwhelmed with. So my next step is starting some kind of class action lawsuit against the state and city for the damages that there deer are costing us said homeowners. The deer have almost totally lost their sense of fear towards humans and show no fear of my dogs behind the fences. I can almost guarantee a deer attack in the community sooner than later, this is no joke, deer can and will attack in certain situations.
The shop owner is 100 percent correct. He isn’t quite harsh enough imo. DNR are clueless. It’s all about money and serving lobbyists. It’s pretty simple. Age class and buck quality only improve if you let them live longer. Doe population has to be controlled by any means necessary to achieve the correct sex ratio. If you have a 50 acre property with twenty doe you have to kill ten does every year to keep that population from growing. It’s very difficult. Stop charging for doe tags. Implement earn a buck program. Require at least one doe harvest before a buck can be taken. Charge more for buck tags. One buck only with antler restrictions. It’s not that complicated to fix…
Michigan now has the Deer Manager that Indiana had for many years. These new laws are a carbon copy of what instituted in Indiana. It put our deer herd in the toilet. In 2012 when EHD was rampant he denied that it was state wide only admitting it in September. What was his solution to a desemated herd....no decrease in bonus antlerless permits and let the special extra late season go on as planned. Result was a new state record harvest. A record that in 10 plus years we haven't been within 10000 of since. Thanks Mr Stewart.
@@censoredAmerican Not that many, seems to be few coyotes , a few bobcats, some bear in the area , but I haven't seen any, where I used to live in Osceola, was full of bear and coyotes, but still had lots of deer, nothing like a number of years ago. Plus almost no hunting only hear a handful of shots all day , I honestly don't know why there is so few deer. have corn fields , hay fields, soybeans etc, I can go months and never see a deer ,
Theirs probably 1000 deer in a 4 mile square....DNR is doing great at increasing the heards IN Isabella Co Mi...deer are Evan helping the farmers harvest early
This why we need to get back a county wide approach and not a statewide approach with management. Many more areas have very few deer in the state. Of course this would take more man power hence more cost and DNR is about making money, not spending it.
In Nebraska (southeast) season's choice permits have been around for decades. Anterless only. Can be used for the particular season opened (e.g. archery, rifle, muzzle loader, late season). A hunter can keep buying permits until quota is met for its region/boundary. AND each permit came with a bonus tag. One year I shot 7 out of 8 tags. Each permit cost $26 (=$13/deer). We process our own because you can buy a lot of beef with what processors charge. You make your money back (grinder, stuffer) in 1 or 2 deer. But then 2010-11 came along and some insect caused a 66% reduction in herd numbers (based upon harvest report). Thirteen years later harvest numbers are still down and fees are now $42 for one but we do see more roadkills. Disease die-off is coming your way if numbers aren't brought down.
There is literally a dead deer at 1 per mile on our roads. Some places more. We have an insane amount of doe per buck ratio and big bucks are few and far
I have an idea. Keep the two buck rule but make both 4 points on one side. Then since we are required to buy a rodent license, make that good for doe. Manage doe like small game for two years. Firearm for doe starts October 1rst though the first week of January. Give processors incentive to process doe at a reduced price for the hungry and allow hunters to sell their doe meat. The herd would be reduced by half in two years.
Minnesota, 1 buck tag, 2 does, and 2 cwd tag maybe 3 i forgot, rifled up north, shotgun down south, depending on the regulations you hunt at, also we have special hunt for state park deer hunt, been state park hunting for 3 years now, this is my 4th year for state park hunt
God I wish we had somebody in Lansing that had some brains and would know how to pass the right laws Baiting in every state around us but Michigan but if you live in Michigan you have to be punished and you can't throw out a little bit of bait so that you can get a deer using it but all the other states do it so now how stupid does that make Michigan look
We live in the upper peninsula, we are still allowed to bait up here, our property just made the cut off. And the wolf's up here are killing off all our deer, weather people want to believe it or not, it is true, wolf's on my property constantly, and chasing us during deer season. We live on the property we hunt. We hunt for the food, and if you're lucky enough to see a nice buck, which are few and far between in the UP now, you bag it. These new rules are ridiculous, it's all about the money in my opinion
The one buck per season rule is the only way to bring back the quality of bucks in the state. But MI is to greedy to do that. Gotta make 6 figures to even find a place to hunt now days with all the leasing going on. GREED has ruined the sport.
Here in North Carolina you get 6 tags, 2 Bucks and 4 Does. Yet most take only Bucks not reakizing if your hunting for meat the DOES are far superior for table fare. The bucks fighting and full of hormones from rut meat is tough. We had black tounged take a bunch out years ago and again just a couple years ago. I tried to tell hunting club if they want twice as many does gone we need to comply so they don't over populate no one wanted to kill does and disease thinned them. Herd Still not rebounded from it.
Trophy hunting is not gonna solve the problem. Apr is gonna push guys with limited time to hunt out all together. I'm on board with a one buck tag limit but I as a hunter with limited time do not want to be restricted as to what I take .. that and opportunity is limited any more with the likes of entities like big buck leasing and others turning the sport into a a pay to play situation . Most of us can't afford thier pricing .. ive looked up many of thier lease options and have seen ridiculous pricing upwards of 100 dollars an acre .. more in some places .. might as well hunt high fence operations or like in my case not at all. I'm no fan of the dangers of hunting public land at all ...
Maybe they do?... Its the only part of rule change that makes since since they want to lower the population. But to me sounds like a money grab. If they would actually take the hunters advice on rule change then they wouldn't have to put on a later doe season then what there already is.
How about hunting doe with a government sponsored half off of basic doe processing. Take away half the cost to get the meat off the bones, and i guarantee the herd would be corrected. They just worry about the revenue and not the resources!
I think if the State stops giving away hunting land to the developers, It might help generate more hunting. Really when you are sitting in the woods and it sounds like ww3 in a 50 acre parcel its kind of discouraging to want to take your kids out in that. I have lost lots of hunting spots to developers with 500k plus homes, That was once good hunting land.
Oh and antlerless in michigan isn't a doe license, it's antlerless. Anything with antlers under 3in long is fair game, button bucks, small spikes, etc. So a big buck that shed is out of luck and fair game.
I've totalled 3 cars and hit 8 deer in 2 years in 2011- 2012. I was a deer magnet in that short stretch of time. One even hit me. It slammed into my back door while I was doing 45mph.
Easy to get deer hunters to take more does. They have to tag a couple does before they can get a buck tags. Way to many guys are only after that giant set of horns. Farmers cause them for not shooting what is needed to keep a herd in check.
Right now there aren't enough mature bucks to bring hunters to the state and locals are hunting out of state because the hunting sucks. Follow states like Kentucky,Illinois,Iowa,Wisconsin. Improve the hunters probability,and people will buy tags.
In Ionia county we had the 4 pts per side rile for three years and we were really starting to see the difference. Then they pulled it. It’s become the Department of Natural excuses. Money from lobbying controls all in our state. Sound management comes in about 4th
New York put a 3 point rule in and it helped create bigger bucks and increased the herds. At least till the over issuance of doe tags. Montana is following suit. To many doe tags and to many predators. Humans included with a quadruple pop increase. The hunting gets worse every year.
State land is now a mess. So much habitat has been clear cut it’s nuts. Vast areas as far as you can see are now stumps and dirt. This pushes deer and hunter into much smaller areas. This causes huge problems for hunters and deer. The current lopsided deer population problems are a product of a micromanagement, mismanagement and an incompetent DNR. Hunters are also responsible to a degree. But if you vote for more government that’s exactly what you’ll get. Politicians never fail on that promise.
This DNR is a joke. In Kansas when I hunted there, anyone could buy a doe permit over the counter for 5$. As many as one wants. EVERYONE HAD TO APPLY FOR ABUCK TAG. Resident and nonresident. They hav very good trophy quality there. Michigan DNR lets all hunters get 2 buck tags. Trophy quality in Michigan is CRAP. THANK YOU DNR. 🖕🖕🖕🖕😡
Deer management ! What a joke !! You mean money management for you pocket , all license and so called management is nothing more than a money grab PERIOD
Deer are wild animals, making them very difficult to manage. If the habitat is great and the food supply is high quality the numbers explode, 60% of does have twins and 15% have singles and 25% have triplets. Make sure to stay up on the counts. Iowa didn't and have experienced huge numbers of young deer sl late season antlerless have been issued for over 10 years in the lower 2 tiers of counties across the state.
Well..man continues to play GOD and and allow nature take its course..They did the same dang thing where I live and suddenly there will be no doe permits ..
Make the whole of October doe only. People that don’t agree with this really need to consider weather or not they hurt for meat to feed their family or are just a worthless trophy hunter just so they can say “I shot a monster buck”.
No HE DID NOT SAY THAT you "genius"... " I JUST HIT A DEER IN WYOMING IT CAME OUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PLAYGROUND"......... As in hit it with a vehicle.... I hope you don't hunt... You are too "lacking intelligence" to be armed...
