@@PioneerRifleCompany Mostly Income tax. But there's excise tax, fuel tax, state tax. The list goes on... Anybody in the US, either earning money or buying something is paying taxes.
@@benjurqunov So they are paying taxes with the money that citizens paid because they are then using that money to pay taxes? Please break this situation down and explain exactly where their money comes from and what taxes those folks pay. Be very specific about where their 'earnings' come from and what INCOME tax you are referring to.
I'm just confused how they entirely revoked his license. It's one thing to deny a REAL ID, but for them to go out of their way to make life harder for the man is cruel.
If you attempt to get real ID and fail the credentials they're supposed to void your license. It forces you to eventually get the fancy ID that way. However, most DMVs won't do that, to avoid the inevitable screaming incident.
Here in SC new licenses AND RENEWALS have to be upgraded to "Real ID" standards now. And the bastards here don't remember that we had to offer the exact same documentation to get a driver's license back in 1974- now they want to see it again? Wasn't once enough? All of our government is seriously effed up.
@@jasonwomack4064 I agree. Citizenship and immigration are federal matters. Having said that, TN should not be making arbitrary rules on determining citizenships.
Agreed 100%, my parents that were Canadians had a home in Florida and the Florida government and I think it’s the same in all states that after you have been in the state (living) for 30 days you must transfer your vehicle and licence over to that state. My mom and dad had Florida DL and Florida Tags
They are doing the real id here in Maine too because the government won’t except out license as legal id because of how easy they are to get so without the real id we can’t fly or enter government buildings
@@tray3120 There's also other funky laws, I was at an event and some mid-30s guys with Washington, DC licenses were trying to get others to buy them alcohol because the ABC store in that state claimed "Washington, DC is not a state, we can only accept state-issued driver licenses for proving you are 21"
I am an American citizen born abroad at an American Military Hospital. I have 4 birth certificates. One from Germany, one from the American military Hospital, one from the American Embassy in Germany and when we came back to the states my mom registered my birth in the State of Texas. I'm 70 and definitely feel sympathy for this gentleman. 😎😎😎😎
I was born to American citizens when my father was stationed in France with USAF. I have 3 birth documents; French birth certificate, hospital record of live birth, and Consular Report of Birth Aboard. It is unfortunate, however his parents should have file a CRBA many years ago. BTW, I live in a State(Oregon) where even illegal aliens are issued driver's licenses. Voters twice approved a ballot measure to prevent this, but our Legislature over rode the voters wishes.
Same here. I was born in Germany in 1958 to military parents. Actually, my brother-in-law was in the army with Elvis, but that’s another story. I wish him luck getting this straightened out. This sucks.
@@danepcarver4951 That should not be legal. If the voters wanted something and the representatives went against that, we basically are throwing out any form of democracy that our government has. Yes, we are a constitutional republic, but we use democracy to determine many things other than just who represents us. This is one of those things, ie. voting on a serious community matter.
Yep. Like HealingSwordsman says, we are one of only 3 countries in the world that forces citizens living overseas to pay taxes in both the US and the country where you live. During the time period you're doing the citizenship process for another country you're still paying taxes, and then an additional fee to give it up. It's $2,350.
Not necessarily, It is not clear what documents he presented. It is one thing to be born in a foreign country from US-citizen parents, and another thing to prove it.
@@bobwatson8754 wrong. This has been a deliberate effort for years for Republicans to make it harder to vote by reducing locations increasing ridiculous requirements such as in Texas, where a persons ID must match exactly to the voter log and if even the abbreviation to the street address is incorrect they will deny you to vote. There have hundreds of laws being pushed through in the last several years to reduce voter turnout because the more people that vote, the less Republicans win. Go do the research. You will see this is a movement they are purposely doing under the guise of preventing fraudulent voting that does not exist. The very few cases of voter fraud that have been found were almost entirely Republicans anyway.
@@bobwatson8754 no it’s a deliberate attempt that Republicans have been working on for years to make it harder to vote to make it harder to get IDs to vote and to make it harder to become a citizen to vote because when people vote, they lose! Very deliberate go look at all the new laws they’ve been trying to put in the last five years, including eliminating voting location, places, eliminating places and hours to get your license. Republicans do not care if you get one or not they’d rather not have one because then you won’t vote. They’ve also been working hard and spending a lot of money to convince you that Government is broken just so that you stop voting and they can deregulate themselves some more as they have been doing. This is all on purpose.
And people forget which party was in control at the time... There is damn near nothing in "The Patriot Acts" which even faintly resembles something patriotic and parts of it are clearly unconstitutional. We need to change our government just as Jefferson told us we needed to do.
But his birth abroad still has to be registered with the State Department (since he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate) - provide birth certificates of parents or naturalization certificates (proof of parents' citizenships), marriage license, and proof the parents lived in the US or its territories for the required time. Guaranteed eligibility isn't any good without proof.
No. Registration is meant to be done at a Canadian consulate before the child is brought into the US or as soon after the birth as possible. But, at the time of this man’s birth that was NOT a requirement. I know because I have the exact same situation that I am going to comment upon above. The State Dept becomes involved only if the man (or myself) seeks a passport.
I was in a similar situation, having been born in Germany. My father was a US citizen, and was working in Germany for a US company. I have a "Report of live birth abroad by US parents" issued by the State Dept. This has served as my "birth certificate" my whole life. It's not a new concept.
Exactly, this man's parents did not file the paperwork before they brought him into the US as a child. Your parents did and saved you from this problem.
You are 100% correct that is what should have happened. The problem is government institutions ( state, city, school) were more lax back in the day and you could get away without having the proper docs as long as what you had was close enough. Take Driver's licenses at one point in time you could bring the souvenir birth certificate from hospital ( the one has your baby foot prints on it and probably ribbon) to get one. Then you could get a license and get them to to put whatever name you wanted on it. Wasn't supposed to work that but nobody cared to strictly enforce it. The real id law implementation unfortunately got every government agency to start to enforce their own rules that they weren't really following.
@@drago1149back in the day you could find a death certificate, use that to obtain a birth certificate and Social Security card, and then use those to get an ID
In Michigan my home schooled son was over 18 was unable to get a license because he had no photo ID. He eventually got a passport which took almost a year after sending piles of documents they kept saying no we want another ton of documents. Eventually he said forget it send everything back, then someone felt sorry for him and sent the passport. I'm convinced bureaucrats find it easier to say no than to anything that requires effort.
That is a good idea ONLY if the people from Tennessee believe that having a US Passport is acceptable as a means of Citizenship. I got the same problem in Houston, Texas, and when I was asked by an official ID, I gave the clerk my Newly Renovated Passport, and she did not accepted it. Then she called a Texas Trooper to escort me from the premises, so I called my boss at DHS, explained what was going on through the phone, and next thing I knew was that Mr. Rumsfeld himself was asking all the personal info from this clerk and the trooper, and I had my Driver's license three hours later. You always have people that are a real disgrace working for the Government, specially State Agencies........
This is crazy. A drivers license is permission to drive, not proof of citizenship. If you can prove residency, you can get a DL. Someone owes this man an in-person apology.
Have to check if they even offer standard licenses anymore. I remember being told in my state after a certain date they would ONLY issue real id licenses. Don't know if it's true or not but I do have a real id now. A friend I knew worked there and when I was getting it renewed asked if I wanted to get a real id or wait so I had all the documents with me anyways and updated it. Not sure if this is the case for TN or not.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade That's only a sorta thing. On the federal level we have agreements with other countries that allow them to drive on our roads. But thats a complicated thing.
No, I blame the bureaucrats for being too stupid to use common sense and bring this to someone's attention. The law doesn't get fixed if no one brings attention to it. This should never have been allowed to get this far. Not to a 77 year old veteran. Not to anyone.
This has been playing out the last 4 years as state after state implement REAL ID . Millions of U.S. citizens that don't have the "right" documents have been hit with this kind of stuff . Women who got married but never went back to their maiden names that matches their birth certificate after a divorce . Homeless people who can't even get their birth certificates because they don't have the additional documents demanded by the REAL ID Act to get a copy of a birth certificate . People who can't get a replacement SS card because Social Security demands a birth certificate and drivers license . This is in no way new .. at all . This story just found a way to go viral by exposing a very common problem under a new headline that misrepresents what is actually going on and why ...
If the people who run the Athens DL office were not told what the 14 A states on citizenship, this would not be an issue. You can probably add legislators in there too. Mr. O'Connor's parents might not have known they needed to change his BC. 77 years ago is a different time frame.
Wife is Canadian citizen but lived here for decades and has had her drivers license for as long. Now she's also a US citizen. TN really is a terrible state.
I had the IRS declare me decieced one year, when I was doing my taxes. They said I changed my birthday. I asked them how? They told me I had to be the one who changed it, or i was wrong about my birthday. I asked them how it could have changed? They said I had to have come in and physically told them to do it. I asked them if they had any records of me doing that, they said no. So someone at the IRS changed my birthdate, and they wouldn't admit it. Morons.
I have told my grandson many times, the most dangerous people in the world possess a small mind and a little bit of power. Stay away from them, stay away from Tennessee.
I am now a US citizen with a real ID. but in 1976, as a UK citizen, I worked for Carnival Cruise Lines out of Miami and spent every Saturday on land in Miami. On a weeks dry dock, I rented a car and visited the FL DMV and took my driving test (been driving in UK for over 10 years) and passed. I was issued a license with a SS# of 00 000 0000. I was not even a resident at the time but was legally let loose in USA on a C1 and D1 visa. I am so sorry that this happened, especially to a vet. No excuse guys. Do better!
His bad luck that the application processor saw the word Canada and didn't read that his parents were both American (making him legally an American in any country). Pettiness and stupidity you can't win against.
@@shallowgal462 They took away his regular driver's license. They say that because they don't believe he is a citizen, he can't have a driver's license period.
You can get a drivers license in Pennsylvania with just a work permit. Not a permanent resident (green card) although you can get one with a green card too.
@@shallowgal462 i don't know what you mean by "enhanced", but it is a real id driver's license. It can be used for ID on domestic flights within the US.
Senator Raphael Cruz is also constitutionally qualified to run for president. And when he was born in Canada (where his birth certificate was issued) only ONE of his parents was a U.S. Citizen. And, no matter how little I like his policies, his claim to birthright citizenship is entirely valid, and he has every right to a US Passport, a REAL ID, and to run for president.
To me this sounds completely normal for the government. My grandfather died in Feb. Served 41 yrs airforce/post office. We have mailed death certificates to a dozen gov. entities trying to get survivor benifits for my grandmother. Today I'm dropping another in the mail because they still need proof of death. He passed in the V.A. We burried him in a military cemetery. His gov. benifits (insurance, retirement, etc.) have all stopped. It's been 5+ months now....
Did your grandfatther select survivor benifits when he retired? Selecting survivor benefits reduces the amount of the benefit but is passed to the survivor. If he didn't select survivor benefits the only thing your grandmother is entitled to is social security and medicare.
@@tomcede6428 Everything, and I mean everything, was in place well before he passed. We were aware of what needed to be done. Not our first time being here. The V.A. helped get the process started like they normally do but here we are months later and some other office wants a death certificate. We started with 12 copies and blew through those. Requested another dozen and 4 of those are gone. The federal gov. has known this man since age 16. The gov. knows he's passed because they are the ones sending us the death certificates....it's stupid and that's why the gov. does it. They know no other way. I know from experience.
@@chedelirio6984 You don't even need to have the right to work in the US. When I was on a 6 month assignment in Tennessee I was stopped for speeding. Ooops. The police officer let me off but informed me that if you live in the state for 3 months or more you must obtain a TN driver license. I was unable to obtain a TN drivers license because I didn't have a SSN. I applied for a SSN. When asked why I needed a SSN I told them I needed it to get a DL. The SS administration agreed and issued me a SSN even though I only had a visitor visa good for 6 months. I got the US DL and all was good. The SS card had printed on it "Not valid for employment".
This was a common occurrence when I was a recruiter for the US Army. If it hasn't already been suggested he could request a certificate of birth abroad from the US Secretary of States office. He would provide his Canadian birth certificate and his social security card. It has been a while but I believe an EPSQ (electronic personal security questionnaire) would need to be filled out. I hope this reaches him and that it's not a dead end. Good luck. No veteran deserves to be treated like this.
What would be the point in that? Demographically speaking, he's likely to be a Republican (white male boomer veteran living in the south). Why would they want him off the voting rolls, or want to risk angering his friends who can still vote and are also likely otherwise to vote Republican?
@@DS-lt7fw Yea, not like TN has any history with disenfranchising it's voters... If you live in Nashville or Memphis, you don't deserve representation because you elected a black democrat, and they'll kick your rep out for being a black man calling for gun control. (Can't call bullshit - it already happened)
Brett Hull was born in Ontario, yet played his entire international carrier for the US. This young man obviously doesn't make enough money to be important. And people wonder why we (US citizens) no longer trust our own government.
Had a relative go through this in Missouri. When he went to renew his CDL, it was denied because he was born at an overseas US military base (both parents US citizens). Ignorance is rampant, and some of those ignoramuses get jobs in state bureaucracies.
They're also immune from any negative repercussions for their incompetency, I believe, so there's no incentive for them to even care about doing things right.
Oh my god that's hilarious 😂 Do these people not know that being born on a military base counts as US soil? Do they not know that was written into our constitution? They should read it sometime.
@@Delimon007 they could have even been born in saudi arabia of all places and still been considered a US citizen, we literally have laws for this, if your parents are both us citizens and you were a child at the time your automatically considered a US citizen, regardless of which country you were born, because otherwise you'd be without a country of residence
In all fairness, what did these people expect? Recruiters can say whatever they like to induce people to sign up and whatever lies they tell are rarely sufficient to get you out of the contract.
The cynic in me has concluded the government does NOT serve the people. It exists only to serve themselves, the ruling class that is becoming increasingly hereditary, and the wealthy class, already very hereditary. ‘The People’ are just fauna on the land to be managed and consumed, or mistreated for entertainment.
What do you mean? They are always just to the rich and powerful. It's kind of uppity for us commoners to think the government is intended to serve us. :)
The process for becoming a citizen is in dire need of reform as this man, regardless of where he was born, is indisputably American is every way that matters.
As someone born to US parents outside of the country, this is not surprising. The state of Kansas did not want to acknowledge my paperwork from the state department. I lived in KS for 4 years and could never get a license there. Moved to where I am now and had no issues with the DMV here.
This is happening to me as of the video. I was born in Japan to an American father stationed in Tokyo, Japan as a member of the USAF and a Japanese mother and I was born on a American air force base. I'm retired USN and I was denied the renewal of my TN DL because the drivers license center told me they can't accept my birth certificate because I was born out of country and that I need additional documentation from the State Department verifying my birth to a US citizen. It's been 10 weeks since I sent off my paperwork to the Dept of State and have heard nothing and I have contacted my Congresswoman to resolve this problem.
It took me 3 months to get my certificate from State after my original carbon copy document was stolen. Stick with it, they will get it to you. It helps if you know the original form serial number, I had very luckily taken a photo of mine so had that info.
McCain was born on a US military base, which is US soil. Any American parents were required to file a form with the US government requesting citizenship for a child born outside the US within a year of their birth. Otherwise, the US government wouldn't know they existed, much like never filing a US birth certificate application. Do you think you could have a child at home, never file an application for a birth certificate, yet the US government would somehow know the child is American? This guy has been an undocumented immigrant and subject to deportation since he arrived here as a child.
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You speak so authoritatively but there is no requirement to do this within a year of the child’s birth. I know this because I have read the CRBA rules, since I filed and received a CRBA for my son, and the people in line in front of me were doing the process for their daughter who was several years old.
This is what happens when bureaucracy runs out of control. It happens often and they have to be slapped down. The problem is it takes so much effort and time to do so.
A friend of mine was born in England while his father was serving in the navy. He was able to get a US passport using this document. If the US government considers him a citizen, why can’t the state of Tennessee do the same for this person?
Same thing applied to John McCain, who was born in Panama while his father was serving there in the US military. There was some back-and-forth about whether this made him ineligible to be elected president, but the question was settled in his favor. One would think that would set a precedent, but apparently those Tennessee bureaucrats knew better....
This guy's parents apparently never applied for his US passport, so now he has the nearly impossible task of proving at least one of them was a US citizen when he was born 77 years ago. That proof is much easier when the US citizen parent is still alive and the foreign-born child is still young.
@@CrankyBeach I went through something similar when applying for my Merchant Mariners Document the first time...I was born in NAS Yokosuka Japan while my dad served on the USS Midway in mid 70"s, Mom was from Mississippi dad from NOLA. My birth certificate being issued by US State Department caused an issue at the CG station in Slidell LA. The first GC member kept trying to tell me my birth cert was no good because it wasn't a state issued BC, It took me asking for his boss for it to get approved, Station commander was asked for and him to explain why my BC was good which was because I was a US citizen born abroad and that is why I had a US State Dept. birth cert and why it was better than just a state issued one.
@@jerryinmon2731 automatic citizenship isn't very useful without the documentation to prove it. Being born in the US also gives you automatic citizenship, but without a US birth certificate or equivalent you may be unable to claim the rights and benefits of citizenship. His parents should have secured a US passport or citizenship certificate for him while he was a kid.
Clearly we need more government. They are so efficient, thoughtful, and kind. They protect us from common sense. They protect themselves from unemployment. What a deal!
What if I told you that there are multiple governments and some are better than others? Your tone seems to imply that you consider any government to be a mistake, which makes you an extremist.
@@bonochromatic6841 Some governments are better and some are worse. None are good. George Washington quote: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master." With that in mind government isn't to be trusted, but watched carefully. Also know that moderation isn't bad, just don't take it to an extreme. It is worth thinking about. You may disagree.
I lived in TN for 9 years and at that time they allowed non citizens to get a drivers license. Guess they changed that law. I was born overseas to American parents, my dad was a pilot in the US Air Force, my birth certificate was in a foreign language because the off base hospital had better facilities for a life threatening birth situation. Years later, after a divorce, when I went to change my name back to my maiden name in the local social security in NM, they didn’t want me to have my Social Security card, same reason. So my mother, being a very wise woman, had me send off to the federal Department of State for my American Citizen Born Abroad papers and in the mean time she had a 2nd cousin who was a state Senator and she asked him to get involved because he knew I was a citizen, he did and I got the name changed back to my maiden name on my Social Security card. About a month later I got my papers from the State Department saying American citizen born abroad. So I understand his frustration.
@@july8xx That seems like the pot calling the kettle black, one look at your RU-vid and it's safe to assume you're a Red Neck yourself. You're thinking of the virginia's and other Appalachia mountains, not the Smoky mountains. Which hasn't been an issue since we invented the auto mobile and interstate highway; blue bloods are exceedingly rare and nobody I know in Kentucky, Tennessee, or Virginia is in a relationship with their kin; but I do know SOME second/third cousin stuff happens sometimes. I find that nasty personally.
@@George-rb3byNot really. Any American parents were required to file a form with the US government requesting citizenship for a child born outside the US within a year of their birth. Otherwise, the US government wouldn't know they existed, much like never filing a US birth certificate application. This guy has been an undocumented immigrant and subject t9 deportation since he arrived here as a child. He has political signs all over his front yard promoting the right wing, anti immigrant candidates, when he probably should have applied for the dreamer act since he was brought here as a child that is a foreign national.
@@freethebirds3578 -- True, but they can double-check the law to see if there are exceptions or a process for him to follow, instead of refusing AND revoking his current license.
Never underestimate the ability of the DMV to create a problem. I am a volunteer firefighter/EMT and the registry in my state can issue "red light permits" so we can legally use lights when responding to incidents. Our fire chief recently retired and the town decided to not hire another chief so the department is now lead administratively by a commissioner of public safety. Well, the registry is refusing to acknowledge his signature on the red light permit applications because he isn't a fire chief. One of our lieutenants called and explained to them the situation and nope, it needs to be signed from a chief. So now we are in a situation where no one can get red light permits because of some idiot at the registry. SMH
There’s also a current case in FL where a marine was recruited and promised citizenship. Got a license, worked here for decades…. Now they have cancelled his license.
Met a bunch of people like that in the military, including our chaplain. He was a very sweet older gentleman. He was recruited with the promise of citizenship (he's from South Korea and was an interpreter for the US Army there for years). They tried to pull his green card in the middle of our deployment.
This case is apples and oranges form the one in TN. This gentleman was not born to a US parent(s). He did not meet the requires for automatic citizenship sadly.
My son had a problem with Virginia. He was born in Hieldelburg Germany. He had a Department of State Birth certificate and all his documents from the USArmy. It took the US Virginia Senator, and Virginia Governor to fix the issue.
@@blackosprey2219 Absolutely! It's crazy how each state has taken the law and follow whatever they want. The way the instructions for the states are written, everyone with a SSN, now a primary credential for ID and work purposes, can get a driver's license, but those licenses will generally have some federal restrictions posted on the license if the applicant hasn't qualified for a real ID.
Not the state, the guy applying for a license is the one that should be following the provisions, yet can only seem to whine to press rather than requesting the proper documents from the Canadian Consulate.
Because this is a federal issue and not a state issue. For a RealID, you cannot use a birth certificate from another country. However, he can get a valid document (Certificate of Citizenship) by applying for one from USCIS.
Steve, someone needs to ask the gentleman if he has ever held a US passport? - That's the only ID I have that proves I'm a US Citizen, never let it expire either! I used it for my REAL ID!!
So basically one ignorant desk clerk at the DMV ignorantly issued an ILLEGAL action, and they doubled down to avoid admitting the totally fucked up. Yeah, any first year law student could have a field day with this.
In Canada there was a woman who fought for more than 20 years to get her passport because the passport office wouldn’t accept the validity of the birth certificate. She was resident of the province of Ontario but her mother gave birth to her in a hospital in Quebec. So she had a Quebec issued birth certificate on which was stated that she was an Ontario resident. The province of Ontario agreed that her birth certificate was valid, the province of Quebec agreed that her birth certificate was valid but the passport office didn’t consider valid a birth certificate where the issuing Province is not the same as the province of residency of the person. It took 20 years of legal battle for an administrative tribunal to tell the passport office that the law demands that the person have a valid birth certificate and it’s the issuing province that decides if it’s valid or not and the passport office is not allowed to add additional rules to consider a birth certificate valid or not.
Kind of reminds me of TSA agents who won't accept District of Columbia drivers licenses as id to board a flight, because DC is not one of the 50 states or liquor store and/or restaurant owners who won't accept said id for purchasing alcohol for the same reason.
The district is not intended to be a permanent residence. The whole purpose of the district is to serve the states. Permanent residence in the district is self-serving to the federal government.
@AutonomousNavigator More than half a million people live in DC. The fact that residences have Bern built in DC since the 1790s kind if blows a hole in that argument. People who don't live in DC don't realize that only a small fraction of the area of DC encompasses government buildings. The rest is made up of neighborhoods, just like any other city in America.
Ha! The guys is a US citizen. He just doesn't have documentation acceptable to the Federal government (and the Tennessee DMV) to prove his US citizenship for the purposes of obtaining a Real ID drivers license.
My daughter was born in China. I adopted her in 2001, at age 14 months. The law, which was passed during Bill Clinton's administration (in 2000), said that a foreign adopted child becomes a citizen when her US citizen parent brings her to the US. So my daughter became a citizen when we flew from China and touched down in Chicago. Immigration took all her documentation and (because she was too young) I took the oath of citizenship for her. I thought that was the end of that. But noooooo. Social Security insisted she was a resident alien and wanted her registered as such. I'm arguing with a SSI clerk who insisted I was wrong -- until I got her supervisor get involved. The supervisor finally agreed that the law had changed and gave her a social security number as a US citizen. Then the whole thing started again with the Department of State. They refused to issue her a US passport, saying she was a resident alien and she needed to pass a written exam to become a US citizen first. They actually admitted that the law had changed and I was right -- she was already a citizen -- but they said they weren't "set up" to follow the NEW law and we just use the OLD law -- because it was easier for them. I have no idea how a 14 month old takes a written test. They even got into a shouting match with several other Gov't. agencies saying to me, "You think I'm afraid of them???" I finally contacted my Congressman. I guess they WERE afraid of HIM and she got her passport. Although I had to jump through a number of hoops to get her birth certificate certified because it was written in Chinese. Imagine that! A Chinese baby would have a birth certificate written in Chinese! So nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to bureaucrats.
Having a two tiered system like that is absurd on it's face. Why should someone even have to be a citizen in the first place to get a driver's license?
If he has a passport this should be a slam dunk. If he doesn't have a passport, why not? I do agree that it was asinine for Tennessee to revoke his normal driver's license.
Something’s fishy. What documents has this dude presented over the years to show citizenship? How did he get a passport? Or, it could the Tennessee DMV are a bunch of morons.
He wants a Real ID which requires a birth certificate among other things. And a Real ID (if they don't have them where you are) is essentially a driver's license with extra hoops.
@@thatjeff7550 yeah, that trump era policy really ticked me off. But other than nativism, I can’t understand why the Tennessee DMV is treating him like this.
I was born in Japan while my father was in the navy. I have a certificate of u.s. citizenship, (I think from the us embassy) as well as a US birth certificate. The dude just needs to get his deceased parents to do the paperwork.
This is not a bureaucracy problem, this is a his parents didn't do their due diligence to obtain their son the proper documents to prove his US citizenship at birth. I'm a military brat born overseas myself. Fortunately, my parents took the correct action and got me a consular report of a birth abroad of a US citizen. It's too late, he's aged out at 18 for that form, so now he needs a certificate of citizenship. He's going to need to fill out form N-600 and produce the required documents. If he had ever tried to get a US passport in the past, he would have all ready gone done this road. Several years ago when my home state issuing real id, I had to show proof of US citizenship too, even tough I'd been driving for 25+ years. Getting id's used to be easier that it is today.
My sister could be in the same situation. My dad was transferred to Toronto for work for 5 years, and she was conceived and born there. As such she always had dual citizenship of sorts, but never had any issues getting passports and whatnot. Strange that he fell into that bureaucratic abyss and that they denied him getting a license at all.
@@stevenamster6686 DHS doesn't issue state driver licenses. He has everything he needs to certify his citizenship. TN bureaucracy just can't handle his proof.
This man needs to take this to the media and get attention for this situation. Across this country I’m sure he is not alone. This glitch needs to be corrected. Find out how other states resolve this issue. This is just silly.
I was born in the us. I moved from 1 state to another and ran into multiple documentation issues to get a "real id drivers license". Get a passport now and avoid future document issues. Its all about the bureaucracy.
When I heard this story the first time I looked up the law in Tennessee regarding who is eligible for a drivers license. You DO NOT have to be a citizen of the U.S. to get a Tennessee drivers license but you must be in the U.S. legally, which this man clearly is. Just another reason why everyone and I mean everyone should get a passport.
but they are saying he is not, and what the counter people say, apparently goes. -- and trust me this really fires me up, but i can plainly see that they are not using any braincells and only going by exact rules. rules that do not fit everyone, it seems.
@@SayAhhYou dont have to be a US citizen to join the military, the military has a habit of tricking immigrants and illegals to join by telling them they can get citizenship that way.
I think the issue at heart is they believe he lied to get his drivers license and that all his documents are fake or don’t prove his point. My guess is this is someone at the DMV who is an idiot or on a power trip. I’ve had one of these before and it’s awful. They claimed my Iowa Drivers License wasn’t real and that I couldn’t get at CT license because of it. Luckily I was able to go another day cause they couldn’t invalidate my license and get it switched cause it was a different state. But yeah power trips are never fun.
Many if not most states have decided to only issue Drivers License with the Real ID identifier.. ie. you must be able to qualify for both or you get none.
My 83 year old father wasn't able to get a real ID in Missouri because even though his utility bills last the physical address, they don't list the zip. The mailing address on them is a PO with the correct zip, but they won't accept it. He's blind now so we ended up just getting a state ID and a passport. I sent the EXACT same docs the dmv rejected in for the passport application and they were accepted. These state bureaucrats are just stupid.
10 years living near Dayton, Ohio, my sister couldn't vote once. By the time the dmv got our last name right on her license, it didn't match her voter registration because the county couldn't spell such a complex name right, either.
DMV is crazy and Real ID has just made it worse. My MIL recently got remarried. When she went to the DMV to do a name change on her driver's license they said she couldn't have the name on her Social Security card. Her name needed to match her birth certificate - even though she had been married twice. She had to go back to social security, Medicare, and her pension to change her name to what the DMV would accept.
