As an 12 year ex-smoker, now long-time vaper, I can tell the difference between the two. I don't stink, I don't pant, I don't cough, I don't hack up yellow phlegm... I can run up a flight of stairs without doubling over. No one's convincing me that vape lung damage is anything compared to traditional cigarettes because I've been there.
Same. Vaping for 8 years now, and everything is tickety-boo. Did a half marathon in 2017 and I breezed it- whereas I got out of breath walking uphill when I smoked... the difference is clear and obvious!
I'm convinced the phenomenon of "popcorn lung" is just the revelation of holes in the lungs caused by the removal of long term tar build up once the tar began to be ejected after the cessation of cigarette smoking. It isn't that vaping causing popcorn lung, rather it reveals it by allowing the lung to remove the tar build up which had clogged it. Much like removal of large amounts of tartar reveals sores and receding gum lines.
Absolutely. I spent 30+ years chain-smoking 3 packs of Kools/day, and my health reflected that. I managed to switch about 10 years ago, and the difference is like night and day. If we've learned anything in the last few years, it is that our system of science publication and communication is a disaster. We MUST figure out a better way to do it. The stakes are too high.
I smoked for 10 years and quit with the help of vaping. Apart from smelling like an ashtray I was able to escape pretty much unscathed. I've been vaping consistently for the last 4 years and this year started to get some strange pains in my side and back. I also started to get fevers. I have a number of investigations going on at the moment but my Dr believes these symptoms are likely related to vaping. Another thing - I'm far more addicted to nicotine now after vaping high strength vapes than I ever was when I was smoking!
Vaping for me was an escape from smoking regular cigarettes. I started by only smoking at work and only vaping at home. Eventually I started vaping and smoking at work. Then one day I was smoking a Camel Filter (my old brand) and I just thought "man this is gross" and that was the end of that.
Thank you for doing a real study. I switched to vaping 4 years ago and can breath, do not get deathly ill every winter, and smell much better. I wished they would do actual studies. I know it's early in the vaping existence to tell any long term health problems however if they would do actual studies instead of bullshyt studies. I personally think it can help people quit traditional cigarettes. It did for me
I don’t think the worry is about people who switch from cigarettes to vapes as inhaling a lot of things is better than inhaling tar but it’s more about the fact cigarette usage was down but now vaping among teenagers has become widely popularised.
Most of the focus has been less on switching from cigarettes to vapes and more on picking up vaping when previously the person didn't smoke or vale at all.
"They tax, ban, and regulate as if their policies exist in a vacuum, citing statistically dubious studies to support their preconceived policies." This is such a great line! This is a great video to see these studies through a statistician's eyes.
Absolutely, you should but many people won't. However, if they are choosing between cigarettes and vaping, we should be all for vaping. I'd prefer people didn't smoke or vape but if they are going to pick one, let them pick the healthier one.
This won't work for everyone, but I've found it helps to abstain as long as you can before going to bed and then go back to sleep when you wake up for as long as you can. The first hours of cravings are the worst- so it helps if you're asleep when it's happening. The cravings taper off fairly quickly and then it's not as difficult. A cheat for me: If I have an edible, I typically sleep longer and feel tired when I wake up so it's easier to go back to bed for a bit... that eliminates some of the hardest initial cravings. Then when I finally get up, it's best if I go do something that keeps me busy without bringing a vape. As long as I can make it to day two, it'll be much easier to not vape. Day two is way easier than day one, so make day one a full day. I'll also throw away my vape, so there's nothing to get back to if I'm feeling like I want to. Exercising helps, so if you get frustrated- do some pushups, go for a run, or whatever you can do that's on level with your fitness abilities. Once you've done that you can pat yourself on the back for having the willpower to quit something that's as, or even more addictive than crack. lol
Thanks for all the helpfull comments everyone. This is what comment sections are for, I almost want to stop due to all the trolls out there. Helpful folks like y'all are an asset to RU-vid.
Vaping helped me quit smoking - a pack a day, for 20 years - 2 years ago. I can breathe deeply and clearly. My taste buds grew back. My sinuses are wide open, which is strange to me. For 40 years, I'd only been able to breathe through one side of my nostrils at a time..the other side was always completely clogged gross. (I SHATTEERD my NOSE in 7th grade, had to surgery on my nose, and they made my sinuses wider, but it didn't help. still a mouth-breather.)
Been vaping since 2015. Got off cigarettes after 32 years in 2017. I went from waking up every morning to a rattling cough to no coughing. I also started running. I can tell you when I smoked there was no way I could run a few blocks let alone up to 6 miles. I don't think vaping is healthy, but it's far better than smoking.
Vaping isn't one thing its a million different things depending on what you get. Its like asking if eating causes cancer. It depends what you eat and how often.
You're thinking of smoking. Vapor contains only a handful of compounds that are all well characterized. Smoking contains thousands many areunknown and PAHC known to be carcinogenic.
@@FourthRoot I mix my own juice, I have millions of options for flavors. All different compounds with different effects. Some helpful some harmful. Some brands stick to compounds that are all well characterized, some don't, do your research.
@@unpersonableme1805 Millions of options for flavors doesn't mean millions of compounds, that makes no sense. Surely there are combinatory effects? Just because somebody CAN put harmful chemicals into vape juice doesn't make "vaping" problematic per se. It's up to the consumer to know what's in their vape. It doesn't have to have ANY flavor at all.
@@subliteral1380 there are still many many different compounds, some which I would use, so much I would not, not millions, but more than I could count or list here, most manufacturers stick to a short list they know about. I don't see your issue with me
@@unpersonableme1805 Nothing personal, I just found your statements misleading in a way that might cause some people to think that vaping and smoking are equally harmful. I genuinely believe that vaping (vs smoking) saves lives, so I'm sensitive to what I consider misinformation. It's entirely possible that I misunderstood you, or that you were just being hyperbolic. I do agree that if anything in vape juice could be harmful, it would be the flavorings, but the base chemicals are well studied, and I feel like people should know that. That's what I thought was missing from your comment. As far as I know, there are already a few flavors (like butter flavor, iirc) that are considered unsafe. Are there any other flavors that you can point to as problematic? I'm not trying to put you on the spot; it's a genuine question. Stuff like that could be helpful to people who want to minimize their exposure.
I smoked for 20 years. Since starting vaping about 5 years ago, I have ZERO smokers cough, I have ZERO excessive phlegm issues, I feel perfectly fine I’m not out of breathe. And I don’t smell like Shit anymore either. No one is saying vaping is 100% perfectly safe as breathing oxygen. What we ARE saying is that vaping, compared to smoking, is way way WAY WAY safer.
Yet we have supposed "non-vapors/smokers" in these comment sections saying " Don't do either!" Instead of "at least you're not smoking now!" People just like to judge others unfortunately. It's called damage reduction. Sure, vaping isn't oxygen lmao, but it's not tar and 6000+ chemicals killing us
Ok so here it is put simply. I smoked from the age of 15 to 46. I was a bad asthmatic and always every winter had a bout of bronchitis. I would be puffing on my ventolin then light up a cigarette, 15 to 20 per day but upwards of 30 when i was drinking. I been vaping for over a year now, i swim 3km per week and only use my ventolin maybe twice a day! My skin looks brighter my lungs feel full of air!! And well fuck it i like vaping!! Im fed up with these non smoking bureaucrats who think they know it all! My body my rules! Im off to have a vape and a rum! Cheers!
As a nonsmoker who avoids cigarette smoke as if it were sarin gas, this attack on vaping is particularly distressing. Vaping was on track to overtake smoking, and the benign vapor it produces makes that great for the rest of us. I hold Juul and Big Tobacco, along with the latter's cronies in power responsible for how this went down.
After smoking for over twenty five years, I took up vaping to quit smoking. Vaping is way more pleasurable and have had zero noticeable effects to my health. Vaping is not a gateway drug to smoking. I would say the reverse is true.
I smoked for about 10 years then switched to vaping before quitting altogether. There was a noticeable difference in my breathing, sense of smell, and lung capacity. It was significantly easier to quit vaping too than it ever was trying to quit cigarettes. Now I will say that since quitting vaping my lungs feel even better not to mention no more nicotine jitters. It isn't benign, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
Smoking cigs lowers your life expectancy by about 10 years or less on average, than the average person. With vaping being about 90-95% safer, maybe lowers your life expectancy by about 1-2 years than the average adult. Just speculation, we will find out, but if you like to smoke, vape.
What a good presenter! (And yeah, vaping is observably a pathway to abandoning smoking. Transferring to a less harmful addiction isn't a cure, but it is progress.)
I wouldn’t say it’s a healthy habit, but it’s certainly better than smoking. I smoked cigarettes for more than 20 years and it was obviously affecting my health. I switched to vaping and not only did it get me off the cigarettes, but quickly improved my overall health compared to smoking. After a decade of vaping I finally quite that too. While this is anecdotal, I would say that vaping is a health benefit and scoring to my doctor and my last chest X-ray, I have perfectly health lungs and greatly improved cardiovascular health. *I should mention that I only quite vaping within the past year.
I am now 65. Cigarette smoking since I was 14. And gradually till at 54 increased to two packs a day with a third pack in reserve, the brand I used was known as a hard core type. Heard of through friends then recommended by the same, broke down and bought a mod and atomizer. The effect was immediate. Although using a relatively high nicotine level juice (about 18mg) it now at 6mg. I havent had a craving for a cigarette in 11 years. Just for a " lets see" factor. Bummed a smoke from a friend. It felt as if I was smoking rope. From 2 + packs a day to a vape. With KNOWN benefits over tobacco has freed me from that stinking, isolating, 95% more harmful nicotine delivery smoke. Feel better, walk better, stairs arent as scary any more. Any negative press and studies I hear or read has made me even more convinced of the corruption involving human well being in favor of tax dollars. Making Goverment a puppet to popular myth over proven fact.
Thank you! This is the truth that needs to be spread worldwide so no more lies and misinformation can surface causing confusion and unjustified hatred towards vaping. If everyone knew the actual truth about vaping there wouldn't be any threats of bans and ect and millions and millions of lives would be saved.
And a gateway to a less healthy lifestyle for so many more as well...cigs were finally falling off among kids, but now vapes are bringing nicotine back to them. yay?
@@brycecombs2868 Did we watch the same video? I said nicotine use, not cigarette use. Vaping caused a reverse in the decline in usage of nicotine products among kids. All evidence points to it being safer, but that doesn't change the fact that they significantly increased overall usage. One mans gateway out is a childs gateway in. If they were regulated like cigarettes to limit "fun" flavors so they weren't catered so much to young individuals I would be a lot more in favor of them, as they do help people kick a worse habit.
I started vaping around 22 and it allowed me to quit smoking cigarettes. It was easy for me because I liked the clean taste of vape more than cigarette smoke. Now today at 30 being had I've been vaping for the past 7 years on and off and at different levels of use, I want to quit not because I believe this fake crusade against it's question of health, but because it is just annoying to me to have to carry this thing around and hit it constantly. Maybe that's just my addictive personality. I wish I was someone who could put my vape in the garage and only hit it sometimes but I find myself carrying it everywhere. But that's my reason to want to quit, not this fake crusade against it. In my opinion it is MUCH better than smoking.
Did we miss the part where it said e-cigarette users had a lower (overall?) rate of cancers - 2.3% vs 16.8%? Factor of 7x. Given the low sample size, it may just be random chance that some will be higher while others lower. Also quite likely that vapers and smokers and non-v/s all have noticeably different lifestyles. I haven't seen a decent health 'study' ever, that I can think of. The headlines are usually real attention-getters. But then you read it and they missed so many obvious conditions that they're value-less.
I never smoked in my 53 years but e-cigarettes just fascinate me. I mean I'm never gonna use it but I would love to know more about the product itself. It is just so simple, so slick, so appealing to the young and old no wonder it took the world by storm.
News really shouldn't be reporting on preliminary studies. they exist to get funding to do a real large scale study. Not fear monger people. If they do report on them it really should be highlighted that it's a small sample preliminary study.
I have been vaping about 6 years now, a fairly heavy Vapour containing liquid nicotine. Nicotine when isolated is not the enemy. Nicotine has mostly an anti-inflammatory effect in the body, it also helps ward off many neurological conditions for example Parkinson's (I have read this in peer reviewed health studies). I don't believe Nicotine is the enemy, the enemy is the combustion of a burning cigarette resulting in at least 250 harmful chemicals. I can honestly say, in the 6 years I have vaped, I have not had 1 cold or respiratory infection. When I was a young kid I got these colds and upper respiratory infections all the time. Big tobacco did a wonderful job of discrediting vaping going back about 5 years ago. Look like they succeeded by all the ignorant and wrongful health outcome claims about vaping.
Today i walked around walmart so fast i didnt even know i was moving that fast. I paused and laughed at myself. Smoke free 9 days switched from cigs (20years) to vaping. My lungs arw so much better in 9 days
It's had the living daylights studied out of it for about 15 years now. You don't hear much about these studies- they don't get published, as they don't show any meaningful harms. Only the negatives ever make the press, and those are usually hyperbolic and exaggerated in their claims.
My approach is three basic questions: Is vaping safer than smoking? Yes Is vaping safer than not inhaling anything at all? No Should I start vaping when I don't smoke? Nope Conclusion: everything, including vaping, has a good use and a bad use. Make your own informed decisions, beyond that, I personally do not enjoy any type of second hand smoke or vape cloud and try to stay away from those people or areas.
The only problem is your second premise isn't supported by evidence; it's an assumption. Without study, it's impossible to say that vaping is more dangerous than not inhaling anything at all. For all we know, there is something you can vape that prevents cancer entirely.
I smoked a pack of Cigarettes a day for years and thought there was NO WAY I could quit. Just could not imagine getting through the day without. Just recently as a result of a wake up call I switched to vaping. I am down to 0-3 cigarettes a day and lots of days have been 1 or 0. I have dropped my nicotine dosage from 50 mg to 30mg. I am working out everyday and can tell you it's makes 100 percent difference from when I was smoking. My goal is to stop the vaping next and it feels WAY MORE doable than when I was smoking full time.
those little flavored nicotine pouches are an option too. although with vaping, you can progressively lower the nicotine dosage while still doing the vaping as often... so instead of having to stop or do it less, your dosage just goes down, until you're no longer chemically dependent but only doing the action. you could still enjoy it and want to do it psychologically, but you wouldn't NEED to do it, you could forget to do it and not feel anything different. at that point it's just about choosing not to do it... remind yourself you're saving money, set aside the money you would spend on vaping/cigarettes into a jar and watch it build up. soon enough you'll have a nice stack and can get something really cool if you wanted to, and that can go a long way to making you realize hey, this badass dirt bike or guitar or tv or whatever it is is a lot cooler than vaping and it's a one time cost and now you get to enjoy it for years.
I don't smoke or vape, but I was disgusted by the push against vaping. It is so clearly made up nonsense, and the only possible result is for the kids to learn that adults make up facts for things they don't like.
Dollars. Lots of dollars. Every single step of the US health system makes profit from sick people... with smokers being particularly lucrative. Not to mention the MSA deal, where tobacco companies pay billions a year to States... depending on cigarette sales... so states literally get billions from smokers. Vaping threatens that.
I'm not a prohibitionist and i agree with the logic here but i'm also extremely sceptical of large corporations who stand to profit immensly from the proliferation of vaping. There is a history of companies suppressing evidence that their products cause harm and casting doubt even when it was well established. Does reason any have any conflicts of interest? Any advertisement deals with companies that sell vapes?
The vape market (in the US at least) consisted of thousands of small independent businesses. The FDA stitched them all up, refused all their pmta applications, trousering billions on the process, and granted the only marketing authorisations to Big Tobacco. The vaping market WAS altruistic, and very good at self-regulation. Governments have destroyed that, handing the entire market over to 'the enemy'.
We are now in the situation where positive studies are hidden and ignored, and government backed orgs publish total lies with zero comeback. I get your point, but in this instance, almost the complete opposite is happening.
… and only drink water, and only eat what can be harvested or hunted, and go to bed when the sun goes down and get up with the sun rise…. We all have vices. What’s important is having good reliable information to make our own decisions. Very hard to come by these days
@Cornpone "we all have vices" that is called psychological projection my friend. YOU have vices. There are plenty of people who have great mental fortitude
All these false reports can be traced back to big tobacco lobby. They are losing far too many customers to vaping which by the way had made me feel so much better after many years of smoking. In fact I believe the water vapor in vaping cleaned my lungs far deeper and faster than was ever expected....thumbs up for vaping !
Um hate to break it to you but it's not water you are vaping. The main ingredients are vegetable glycerine and propylene glycol. Vegetable glycerine makes up most of the vape juice - it is a vegetable fat.
Put this guy's face on preview. I am not interested in the topic of vaping so did not open the video when it was published. But I very much like how he deconstructs a faulty statistical analysis. Every video with him is super interesting regardless of what was the point of underlying study.
As someone who regularly deals with and does business with young adults, I am skeptical of any study suggesting vapers are more likely to smoke cigarettes. That's insane. The taste are night and day. They know how bad cigarettes are and very few care to use them. They are coming into a world with an abundant availability of vape products, and unless they are already smokers, they have no reason to become smokers.
Also need to control the study based on ejuice quality. I wouldn’t be shocked if some ejuice is dangerous or certain vape devices. Harm reduction should be about finding the safest options
I smoked for about 7 years at some point in my life, stopped but never tried vaping. I would say, vaping probably does have some health consequences with its delivery but that won't be known that quickly. The stuff that is vaped can be problematic as well, even if it is only nicotin being vaped. 4:30 Early Firefighters got cancer through smoke inhalation, mainly because 100 years ago the protections where not as good as now. It is funny for me when the smoking industry claimed that smoking, the act of willingly breathing in the smoke caused by burning dry leaves, will not do something to your lungs. At a time when we know that several jobs caused health problems, like Miners or the Women that painted using Radioactive paint onto watches numbers. Usually people make claims if either they have an incentive from money they earn through something... and/or they get fame. Many studies earn their writer both.
Vaping has freed millions across the world from smoking cigarettes. JUUL is illegal in EU, they do sell other vapes. it's a good way to quit nicotine in general.
This reminds me of the swords cause violence argument that Plato made. Which is stupid. If someone wants to do violence, they will grab a sword, or a spear or use their fists. Picking up a sword won't compel you to go on a stabbing spree.
It's interesting that we know what tobacco does, it's not up for debate, we know. But everyone just ignores tobacco and cant seem to quit going after vaping. The whole debate really just comes down to money. Politicians are interested in making money via taxes. That's why their "war" on smoking and vaping is always just creating and raising a tax on the product. Vaping was fine until it became mainstream and people stopped buying tobacco, then the money slowed by a lot. So now, they go after vaping to try and make it the new devil so they can tax the hell out of it. Meanwhile, we know what smoking does and nobody cares. Even the average non-politician doesnt really give a shit. If they did, they would start forcing politicians to actually address tobacco rather than just keep putting taxes on it. When you put a tax on something, you don't really want to get rid of it; you just want to make more money from it.
Yes. Most people have no interest in objective journalism these days. That’s why there are very few objective journalists left in the world. It just doesn’t pay like it used to.
Well done! And well researched. A significant fraction of tobacco control research is now in the category of junk science alongside Lysenkoism, racial hygiene, phrenology and geocentrism.
I would argue that it decreases one's probability of cancer. You know how many cocaine users die of cocaine related things decades before healthy people? Most people who have fatal heart attacks at 50 never get cancer
How could they possibly have enough data to draw that conclusion? The ethics of these "scientific" organizations is highly questionable. It seems to be they'll publish anything for the right amount of money.
that heating element, depending on the metal composition of the metal, can release carcinogens when heated, but definitely not as much as your dried tobacco leaf. there are a lot of variables here. including manufacture and composition of that 'vape juice.'
@@joemahma3017 some manufacturers use stainless steel, others use kanthal, nichrome, titanium or ceramic as heating elements. I'm guessing ceramic elements are the safest re heavy metals in the aerosol
@@jamesryan4325 not anymore. If you buy pre built coils which 99% do they’re stainless steel. I’ve been vaping since 2006 my dude. Used to make my own and wick my own coils. They’re substantially safer than cigarettes in every study except those performed in America.
I would argue the majority of the negative press and subsequent judiciary action taken in the US is due to Big Tobacco lobbying power. We definitely don't have enough quality data and studies done to truly conclude that vaping is "safe" - and frankly it's probably not 100% safe. However, I think the most important piece of information that we should be concerned about is the relation to traditional tobacco. We all know the dangers of tobacco - and nothing infuriates me more than smokers trying to tell me vaping is more harmful! As an ex-smoker now vaping, I don't need any study to tell me what I've discovered first-hand comparatively. Though I do genuinely look forward to the day that we have some hard empirical data to settle the debate definitively.
If you live in the US ALOT of food additives are untested, you have a higher likelihood of getting cancer from a doughnut than a vape if you're going purely on imperial evidence.
Peer review system is messed up. Everyone wants to make sure the money keeps flowing to support further research, so reviews are sometimes weak. Sometime in the 2000’s LA times reported only 30% of peer reviewed claims could be replicated by companies who want to use the knowledge to make money.
Thank you! Who is to say that legislation or laws in general are intended to fuel large government dreams and in some cases, those taxes collected from tobacco or ENDS wind up in other areas not associated with usage or education on tobacco and ENDS?
Just imagine. We, simple layman, hear the study. A summary of it's methods, data and conclusion. Without even needing a minute you figure "Yeah it shows correlation, but where's the causation?" and a tiny feeling and thought lingers in your mind: "Surely these astute, highly educated, extremely professional and intelligent senior career scientist researchers accounted for the fact that the vast majority of vapors is a (former) smoker? Surely? Right?" No. No they didn't. A layman notices these things instantly, an activist in a lab coat would spend an entire lifetime.
You don’t even need to go through a box of traditional cigarettes to notice a difference. Non traditional tobacco needs to be kept away from minors, but otherwise WTF are they thinking?
Vaping helped me reduce my time for the 5k from 26 minutes to 23 minutes. Also, the menthol vape helps mask my horrible halitosis enough that I might actually make a friend soon. I’m no quitter.
