@@googleuser4720 I get that idea from the impression that mostly everything is handled via P2P. And when I look at the code of the mk7 secure server and see how uhm simple it is, it kinda reinforces my impression.
These the last free console servers that the world will ever see. Sure, they were subject to some Nintendo online jank from time to time but unlike any other console servers before, during, or after, the 3DS and Wii U really had a community feel about them.
@@ingueferroque I was under the impression that the only PS3 and Vita servers still running were third-party servers for specific games. Am I mistaken?
Maybe emulating isn’t stealing, I would agree with that. I think where it becomes theft is if you sell a loaded console or handheld for a premium price.
They need to Change the laws. As soon as there is no official way to buy a product (digital store closed and physical production stopped) or service like NSO, then it is completely legal to get those games. That, ofc, would mean, as soon as they re-release a game, you would have a timeframe for like a week to remove the game from any device.
@@Adeyum64I believe since Nintendo has completely abandoned the 3ds and the wiiu, it’s legal in the US to download and play the games some other way. I remember hearing that discussion when EA took the Sims 2? off of the EA store and people saying it was legal to download the game elsewhere because in the US it was considered “abandoned software”. Japan’s copyright laws are complete dogshit though so I have a strong feeling that argument can’t legally be applied to Nintendo
I finally managed to home brew my 3ds like 2 weeks ago and ever since its like i’ve reconnected with my inner child. I cant stop using it now and im glad that the modding will allow me to enjoy it for many more years
Speaking of 3DS, you should cover the new virtual boy emulator for 3ds that came out a few weeks ago! Almost all games are playable in full 3d. Very awesome stuff (and a missed opportunity for nintendo with this console I think)
Wow, that's awesome. I tried r3dragon back in the day, and it was pretty broken. I'm excited to give Red Viper a try. Small thing, but it'd be neat to have home menu forwarders for those individual games
Nintendo has never felt the same after the Wii u and Satoru Iwata era. It just seems so sterile now. They still put out a few games I enjoy every now and then, but it definitely feels like something is missing.
@@Jdogg4089I think I know what is missing for you: Maybe the effort Nintendo put in their operating system (I mostly felt that w the Wii U). For example, music for every part of the system and DIFFERENT music for Wiiu gamepad and TV. Also a thing missing is , that they aren’t trying many new things out nowadays(not hardware wise but more on the software side)- like the miiverse or street pass -Not available on the switch . The social aspect in general - you could even video call sb with a Wii U system or write sth to another user with a 3ds . That were just a few things I liked about the Wii U and 3DS and it’s sad to see that these systems are now abandoned by Nintendo …
Damn, then I could finally check out the online building left in Jubilife City or so 🥴 After seeing BD/SP, being able to obtain all events in Emeral, Platinum and HG/SS would be the actual Peak Pokémon experience for me.
Pretendo would be wise to not touch Pokemon. Pokemon is a huge moneymaker for Nintendo and they’re really touchy right now because of Palworld’s phenomenal success
As a note: while Pretendo does have progress being made for various game servers, they've stated that currently they're working on using all the network dumps they've gotten to analyze and archive the server structures.
It almost feels like being set free. No longer in the clutches of the people that left us behind, but how long before those people start sending out cease and desist?
I used Pretendo first time on both my WiiU and Cemu during Nintendo's downtime past year and it was awesome. Can't wait to come back but tonight (hello from Europe), I'm going to enjoy Splatoon 1's final rotation on official servers.
@@udance4ever You need Dumpling for your WiiU which allows you to dump the files to play online in Cemu. In Cemu, you can just enable online play and especially when using your console's dump, everything's ready to go already. Save for registering an account on Pretendo's website of course.
"Pretendo" is an amazing name. Kudos to whichever member of the dev team came up with it! I'm never going to make use of this, but I still think it's cool. Pity it needed to be done in the first place. If we required all source code and data used for servers be released into the public domain upon shutdown, there would be no need for such efforts in order to preserve gaming for the future.
As much as Nintendo wants the 3DS & Wii U to die, the fans have kept and will continue keeping them alive. I love what this community has done to preserve some of my favorite games on my favorite consoles! Nintendo fans give what Nintendo takes away
They betray the oldest loyalest fan base just to cater for the new fans who joined over the damn Covid 19 quarantine , with updates and new games. But we can’t just get the servers up. Even without the game store working😔 I’m sure they lost a lot of people with this
@stormydeath8121 There's a surprising amount of ps2 games that are online now but yes there's barely any players on any of them ,I haven't played it myself but I think socom is one of the more popular games with regular players
@@ThePolicenaut I know and I have but I don't care for the outdated jank, nor do I care for scam projects that go no where like Task force or HHour. The socom third person tactical shooter is too brutal for modern teens and people. They don't want to be punished for dying like a moron and watch the back of someone elses head for 3 minutes. They'd rather be thrown into a big ass map, with a few respawns, and if they die die well they just quit and start another match of warzone. I've already made my peace and moves on accepting that's the reality of things. Just like how pokemon games are dumbed down so children don't have to grind or spend time figuring things out like we did as kids.
Holy carp that's me at 6:15! I hope any percentage of people who watch this video set up Pretendo. Splatoon is an absolute joy on the Steam Deck but sometimes there aren't enough people on to fill up a lobby.
They say emulation is evil and should be criminal. They say that it does NOTHING good. Then we have things like this. I am so glad to have been introduced to emulation and the romhacking scene when I was a pre teen.
@@Omar_E11 Except that a ton of people say that. Just because you choose to be blind to it doesn't make it any less real. The amount of people that simp for corpos is staggering.
This is great! I really think there should be some sort of legal requirement when sunsetting services like this that a makes it possible to run a local or community version, especially for paid products. Obviously there are security concerns and I'm not suggesting they should be legally required to release their code, but there must be some inbetween.
I think that you'd be a fan of Ross Scott. I've been a fan of him for years but he's now putting legal pressure to make sunsetting online sensibly a requirement, like allowing customers to make personal servers again as a standard feature
I was more or less going to comment the same thing, they should make their code open source if they don't intend to use it anyway nor continuing the service. If they don't want to pay for those servers anymore, let someone else do it ? Instead of just shutting it down completely.
@@pbe6965 things consumers do not seem to understand they often dont own all the software to run their servers so in most cases the actual software cannot be legally distributed by them to do so
@@jh302 then just....don't build your servers around undistributable software????? They're not legally required to use it, we have full decades where customers could make personal servers where ot clearly *wasn't* an issue lol. I think you need to understand that providing server creation abilities isnt as hard as you think lol, it was literally the *standard* a few years ago
That's good news for all owners. This should be mandated by law to companies to provide for an exit path for their dying consoles: make the system available to users so that they can build and develop a successor or several.
Obviously companies wouldn't want a "successor" to consoles 'cause that's competition from using their stuff. At best they should just let people make their own servers, and maybe even help them set it up, for purely preservational purposes. Otherwise someone's gonna find a way to make a buck out of it and not in a good way.
@@MusicComet if they aren't even making money off of the platform (or even games since they shut down the eshop years ago) why does competition matter at all
@@memes_gbc674 I mean competition as in "I took your work and used it as mine for profit". Because to me allowing access to a console sounds like allowing access to how the console works (so like giving a McDonald burger recipe), which unless is like 60 years old I'd say it's still valid for Nintendo to defend that imo. All for preservation but obviously Nintendo doesn't want to spill the secrets, or any other company for that matter.
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Amazing, I'm constantly in awe with community initiatives to preserve these old online experiences such as this one. It's heartwarming really.
This is amazing, the homebrew community for Nintendo systems have been absolutely on fire since the Wii. I think this will set a precedent in widespread adoption of open source revivals like these, this is the first time the replacement to official servers is more or less ready to go before the official source even went down.
See this is what makes emu/roms/game preservation so so important. I love the idea of the games, and live service still working instead of being defunct never to be experienced again. There are games from my past that I never want to forget. For instance, sitting in the floor playing on a small crt and booting up Ratchet and Clank, Yu-Gi-Oh Duelist of the Roses, or Capsule Coliseum, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2, and so many many more exciting, wonderful games. If I lost access indefinitely to those games/memories and eventually the discs rot or console hardware fail, I'd be so heartbroken. I've already lost my childhood elementary school, and other things from my childhood. I'd rather not lose access to my lifelong favorite hobby.
I just modded my new 3ds xl a few days ago, after owning it for 9 years lol. I’ll definitely be downloading Pretendo onto it now too, because I love playing with other people. I was sad the online support was shut down, but I’m glad Pretendo exists to bring the 3ds online community back to life ❤
Such an awesome video at a pivotal time not only for the community but me personally. Lately I have been looking at getting retro consoles and games from yesteryear to arm myself for the digital future. I want to hunt through my local Facebook marketplace for people's 3DS' , Wii U's and Wii's and games. I'm not new to the idea of emulation but I am new to doing the emulation myself (hacking a console ready for emu). Thanks for including the links for the guides MVG. I'll refer back to this vid once I get the consoles. I'm so glad these games and services are being preserved.
I don't know if they will, because I dunno how it all works, but hopefully Pretendo will be able to clean up the GTS on Pokemon X/Y, ORAS, Sun/Moon, Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, because it's just a mess.
I asked a question on the discord a few months ago now and one moderator did they yes, there will be support for Pokemon and it'll even have an "anti-cheat", stopping hacked pokemons and stopping crashes etc
If the DS Pokemon games are anything to go by, then some more obviously hacked mons will probably slip through the cracks of the anti-cheat, but it will be nowhere near as bad as official GTS. It is actually kinda funny how fans are better at running these games sometimes than the actual official people behind it.
As a cemu main, pretendo on cemu works just as well as on a console would. All games that I've tested work flawlessly and people on my friends list can even see the games that I am playing on the friends list.
2027 when the switch online servers go out, some people gonna be left feeling real dumb for giving Nintendo money. Fun Fact: The PS3's online shop still works.
I'm surprised nintendo has largely ignored this. With as egregiously aggressive as their legal team is about DMCA'ing things, you would think their brain damage would have seen this as some kind of capital offense as well.
Nintendo tends to turn a blind eye to people who aren't making money, like in the case of the Mother 3 translation patch or the ROM hacking community generally
@@agromchung yeah, they don't want to be seen as total asshats. Quite easy equation, Nintendo cares if it costs them money. And as the 3DS and the WiiU are out of support they only cost them money at the moment, so if the community steps up and makes them safe money...
Thank you for this video! I'm so happy to hear that once again our online community has done something so amazing. I'm very thankful to everyone who made Pretendo possible and to you for sharing this guide for everyone!
I actually got my first 3DS last week and I was SO disappointed to hear that it would be closing! like, what a bummer! Thank god I hacked it though, I'll be sure to stick around Pretendo and what it has to offer. I really wanna keep playing with people!
Pretendo, Wiimmfi, Insignia, and every service like it are doing the Lord's work. As long as the scene can safely reverse-engineer online services, the games-as-a-service apocalypse can be forestalled. Every last one of their contributors deserves a Chips Ahoy.
I played a TON of Super Mario Maker and Splatoon this past week or so dreading this day, but I'm so happy Pretendo exists so I can jump back in from time to time.
It's hard not to be excited about the 3DS and Wii U with the incredible work the preservation community is doing with it. Just got and hacked a 3DS, now I'll start thinking about a Wii U...
I've been around homebrew since before the Wii and DS online shutdown. The Wii community is stronger than ever right now, and the online features are really great these days! I'm very excited to see where Pretendo goes, because if the Wii is anything to go by it will be great.
I hope Citra's replacements like Lime3DS will implement support for Pretendo or some other online service soon. I was just thinking this past week about how cool it would be to be able to screen record Mario Kart 7 online play
@maddox121 i dont thinkit was Patreon it was the fact Citra accepted game roms from unreleased games and actively talked about it it why they setttled they would been murdered in discovery it why clean room programing is a commen in reverse enggering project the Citra devs forgo
I hope this works for the Pokemon games like Alpha Sapphire, because I loved going online in them, especially Alpha Sapphire. The GTS thing they had then was so much fun, and I really loved it back in high school. Just a shame I won't have my old friends once I get Pretendo, but them's the breaks, I guess 😢
The main reason I have a modded Wii U but not 3DS is because you cant remove CFW off a 3DS without erasing it. Wii U its litreally just 5 clicks of a button to remove it, or just remove the sd card and it will not boot cfw.
I played it again today for the first time in years, and I have to agree. The game just feels way nicer than Splatoon 2, I should never have moved. Although I never played Splatoon 2 much, 1 was my main game for a while.
Well, it's hard to believe today is the day. I'm grateful that we'll have these alternative solutions. Even if we need time to rebuild the other game features, I'm ready to see where this goes. I'm about to ask a question I assume got answered already. Is it not currently possible to use Pretendo with Gen 6 and Gen 7 Pokémon? I wouldn't be surprised if so. Otherwise, thank you for the fun memories, Nintendo Network. It's a damn shame you're leaving, but I'll fondly remember you from my high school and early college years. I'll have to use our remaining time well.
Actually, a few minutes after the servers went down, the Pretendo team announced on their Discord that the new version can be used on non-modded WiiU consoles now through an exploit
The issue with at least Wii U servers is that most 3rd party games won't be playable online, games like call of duty or need for speed will lack multiplayer which sucks because they are very unique versions of these games and they were made well to run on the console. Like call of duty while lacking dlc had pointer controls for the guns and utilized the gamepad as a quick menu or even to plug in any ordinary earphones or headphones with a mic to start talking with people. These versions are usually the ones with the least hackers so we will be missing that as well.
This is something I really apreciate about pc gaming. a lot of games usually have public servers backed into the game, so even after the stop of develper support, you can usually still find some online games without going out of your way. and if you do go out of your way, there is often a lot of community fixes.
I feel like this would have been a perfect video to also bring up the the SpotPass Archival Project, which can even been done without a modded console. Since the servers are going offline, the 'links' that allow the 3DS and Wii U to download the spotpass data also will go offline today (at least, from how it was described to me), which is why there's a huge push to grab the archived links and pull the data before it's too late to help allow the redistribution of spotpass over recreated networks like Pretendo. Edited 4/8/24 for minor spelling mistake. Oops.
Fact. 2+ undoubtedly has more features but there is a lack of reward for skilled players when you can just charge the special meter as fast as possible and spam the crap out of people.
I never play spatoon 2 . I don't know why it's not better. I really prefer 1 over 2 and only played 3 for 30 min . It much harder to join a server than the newer ons but still prefer 1 I hope a lot of players will go on pretendo with there wiiu. 🎉🎉
Hi guys, need help! Bought my 3DS XL in late 2017, when Switch was already out but had no idea it's gonna be so huge so quickly. Had buyers remorse ever since - only SF IV and pretty cool REvils are keeping me from selling it. Can you recommend how to enjoy 3DS? What games are worth it? Or should I cut my losses and buy Switch or SteamDeck.
It's just a shame that starting this afternoon, they won't be able to get new information from network dumps or do comparative testing with the real thing. What they have to work with is going to be set in stone in a few short hours.
Maybe I need to try again with Aroma, but my Wii U hacking experiment was miserable. I'm relatively tech savvy, but I struggled to use the environment(s), kept having to go back to forums to find fiddly things that had to be twiddled with, tried all the different ways to load images, etc. It seemed like every tool was in a rough alpha stage regardless of what the project pages claimed. I don't doubt for a moment the amount of crazy effort that has gone into that community, or that other people are daily driving hacked Wii U's, but I eventually had to give up.
Ngl I enjoyed splatoon 1 a lot more than 2 and I never bought 3. Then again I feel like being younger and it being a brand new Nintendo IP was special.
It is so sad that you cannot use the same PNID as your legacy NNID… you have to choose another username or it won’t work. I don’t know why the team behind Pretendo did not put any warning either in the official documentation or on the registration page about this issue. I know this is a Nintendo limitation, but there should absolutely be a warning about this since a lot of people will indeed use the same PNID as their legacy NNID.
I was playing my 3DS for Mario Kart 7 online, because I love the free online, good thing there’s an online community that’s trying to preserve the online mode for 3DS and Wii U, hopefully there won’t be any lawsuits from Nintendo!
the wii u is my favourite nintendo console. i got it for my 12th birthday in february 2022, and the amount of hours i've pissed away on splatoon 1 is endless. when i had covid last year, winter break 22, and recently playing it every day since dec 28th. goodbye splatoon 1. you will be missed. (2015-2024) oh and mario kart 8 i guess
Interesting. Did your parents grow up on Nintendo games/consoles? It feels like a really outdated gift to give to someone so young. Unless the Wii U was just cheaper lol.
@@realthemariogamer I'm not saying it is! I just find it fascinating how people of such age are enjoying such an old console even now. I wasn't allowed to have a 3DS when I was younger and I only got one in 2020 so I know. It just makes me happy :)
@@MusicComet Yeah I can see where you're coming from. But me personally, I've always been interested in retro consoles and stuff. I've always played on my cousin's 3ds but started owning one in 2020 and then later hacked it. The library of ds and 3ds games on it are some of the best of any handheld console.
Over past few years we started to some of the more negative ramifications of the digital gaming age - that with quite a number of online services being shutdown from previous generations.
